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| 00:00:14 | Watusimoto | can anyone confirm this text is correct? |
| 00:00:23 | Watusimoto | Note that if your QuickChat message starts with a '/', that message will be passed to the command processor |
| 00:00:23 | Watusimoto | just as if you typed it directly. For example, if you define a QuickChat message to be '/addbot' (without qoutes), |
| 00:00:23 | Watusimoto | a robot player will be added to the game when you press the assigned key combination. |
| 00:00:45 | raptor | i think that is incorrect |
| 00:00:55 | Watusimoto | how so? |
| 00:01:00 | raptor | i think you say it is a command, then define it as just 'addbots' |
| 00:01:07 | raptor | double checking... |
| 00:01:39 | raptor | see here: http://bitfighter.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16237#p16237 |
| 00:02:24 | raptor | the 'MessageType=command' makes it so it is put directly to the command processor (no needing the '/') |
| 00:02:54 | Watusimoto | interesting.... |
| 00:03:06 | Watusimoto | I should look to see how this is coded |
| 00:07:39 | Watusimoto | Note that if your QuickChat message is a /command, that command will be executed when you press the assigned key combo. |
| 00:07:39 | Watusimoto | For example, if you define a QuickChat message to be 'addbots 2' (without quotes, and without a slash), 2 robots will |
| 00:07:39 | Watusimoto | be added to the game when you press the appropriate keys. You can use this functionality to assign commonly |
| 00:07:39 | Watusimoto | used commands to joystick buttons or short keyboard sequences. |
| 00:10:17 | Watusimoto | interesting |
| 00:11:23 | Watusimoto | ok, this text is wrong |
| 00:11:25 | Watusimoto | hold on |
| 00:12:20 | raptor | i'm honestly ignorant of the whole quick chat stuff - i haven't ever touched teh code |
| 00:12:31 | raptor | (that I remember) |
| 00:19:04 | Watusimoto | Note that you can also use the QuickChat functionality to create shortcuts to commonly run |
| 00:19:04 | Watusimoto | /commands by setting the MessageType to \"Command\". For example, if you define a QuickChat |
| 00:19:04 | Watusimoto | message to be \"addbots 2\"" (without quotes, and without a slash), and the MessageType to |
| 00:19:04 | Watusimoto | \"Command\" (also without quotes) 2 robots will be added to the game when you press the |
| 00:19:04 | Watusimoto | appropriate keys. You can use this functionality to assign commonly used commands to joystick |
| 00:19:05 | Watusimoto | buttons or short keyboard sequences. |
| 00:19:16 | Watusimoto | the content is correct. does it read properly? |
| 00:19:27 | Watusimoto | I'm too tired to trust myself here :-) |
| 00:20:11 | raptor | lower-case 'command' for messagetype |
| 00:20:24 | Watusimoto | it's actually case insensitive |
| 00:20:25 | raptor | unless it is case-insensitive in the code |
| 00:20:26 | raptor | ok |
| 00:20:43 | Watusimoto | and that capitilizatin is conssistent with other comments in the header |
| 00:20:54 | raptor | add a comma befre '2 robots' ? |
| 00:21:12 | Watusimoto | yes |
| 00:21:14 | raptor | other than that, it reads properly |
| 00:21:20 | raptor | to me :) |
| 00:28:34 | Watusimoto | We really need to pare the default QuickChat message set down to something useful |
| 00:28:59 | Watusimoto | Maybe 10 or 20 messages that someone might actually use, instead of 100 that are overwhelming |
| 00:29:00 | raptor | you mean come up with new messages? |
| 00:29:05 | Watusimoto | yes |
| 00:29:06 | raptor | ah yes |
| 00:29:10 | Watusimoto | a much abbreviated list |
| 00:29:27 | Watusimoto | this would be a perfect task for a community member to do |
| 00:29:52 | raptor | yes! delegate the tedium! |
| 00:32:31 | raptor | ok, i'm heading home... weekend testing ahead? |
| 00:33:09 | Watusimoto | or bugfixing? |
| 00:33:15 | raptor | yes |
| 00:33:19 | raptor | that's what i meant |
| 00:33:22 | Watusimoto | :-) |
| 00:33:25 | Watusimoto | so long |
| 00:33:37 | raptor | bye |
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| 01:22:24 | | BFLogBot Commit: 9b208c4988a1 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Set script context when running event handler code |
| 01:22:25 | | BFLogBot Commit: 1f1f5850bf9e | Author: watusimoto | Message: Whitespace |
| 01:22:27 | | BFLogBot Commit: 1cfcabd197ff | Author: watusimoto | Message: Whitespace |
| 01:22:28 | | BFLogBot Commit: 4b7745410288 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Add some additional text to .ini comments regarding issuing commands via QuickChat text; also reformatted existing text to be a more consistent width. |
| 01:22:30 | | BFLogBot Commit: 4ce23d8cb8d3 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Add tip about quick chat messages to help screens... which then required a little reorg |
| 01:23:25 | raptor | commits! |
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| 01:33:33 | Fordcars | hi |
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| 02:28:14 | | BFLogBot Commit: 6e6170d2a9a5 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Remove ScriptingConsole help page... not sure what we want to show here, but quite sure this isn't it |
| 02:28:16 | | BFLogBot Commit: 6828dc39129a | Author: watusimoto | Message: Formatting |
| 02:28:17 | | BFLogBot Commit: 33f16ddb668c | Author: watusimoto | Message: Comments |
| 02:28:19 | | BFLogBot Commit: 48801f9495dd | Author: watusimoto | Message: Colors are a bit garish, but create method to highlight keys in text. See it in action on p2 of help. Feel free to improve colors. |
| 02:28:43 | Watusimoto | night |
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| 13:10:09 | raptor | good day |
| 13:17:50 | raptor | we got like 6 inches of snow! |
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| 13:47:22 | raptor | huh - i added wuzzy's profile, but now the game crashes on start-up |
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| 14:11:36 | | BFLogBot Commit: 41cfe7aa59f2 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Improve help screen very slightly |
| 14:11:37 | | BFLogBot Commit: d520297aeaf9 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Even slighter improvement |
| 14:11:39 | | BFLogBot Commit: 1fe1f9debe8d | Author: watusimoto | Message: Improve rendering of developers badge |
| 14:11:53 | raptor | hi Watusimoto |
| 14:11:59 | Watusimoto | hi |
| 14:12:18 | Watusimoto | I fixed up your badge a tiny bit |
| 14:12:37 | raptor | ok |
| 14:12:47 | raptor | also, this addition crashes the game for me now: http://pastie.org/5355958 |
| 14:12:51 | raptor | and i cannot figure out why |
| 14:14:40 | raptor | that's it! just the new profile crashes the game for me. stack trace makes no sense to me: http://pastie.org/5355965 |
| 14:17:05 | Wuzzy | well that's strange |
| 14:17:18 | Watusimoto | obviusly doesn't like destroying joystick |
| 14:17:26 | Watusimoto | joystickINfo that is |
| 14:17:29 | raptor | it's so bonkers |
| 14:17:35 | raptor | been staring at this for an hour.. |
| 14:18:06 | Watusimoto | but it shows a vector being destroyed, and there isn't one in jsinfo |
| 14:18:59 | raptor | yeah - the crash is on the closing brace in that function |
| 14:19:20 | Watusimoto | maybe one of the string vectors??? |
| 14:19:26 | Watusimoto | that's created in the fn? |
| 14:19:30 | raptor | that's what i've been looking at |
| 14:20:21 | raptor | the dev badge looks neat, but maybe a little cramped |
| 14:20:24 | Watusimoto | stack trace suggests vector<string> |
| 14:20:36 | Watusimoto | cramped? |
| 14:20:41 | Watusimoto | i.e. uses too much space? |
| 14:20:45 | Watusimoto | we could reduce diameter slightly |
| 14:21:10 | Wuzzy | I don't understand what just happened. I can't reproduce this; on my machine this profile does not cause a crash. |
| 14:21:13 | Watusimoto | ok, maybe it's a particular string it objects to |
| 14:21:24 | Watusimoto | did you do a clean rebuild raptor? |
| 14:21:36 | raptor | Wuzzy: this is on the development build of bitfighter |
| 14:21:40 | raptor | so no need to worry |
| 14:21:55 | raptor | Watusimoto: yes (3-4 times!) |
| 14:22:02 | Watusimoto | try doing a buttonKeyNames.clear() |
| 14:22:02 | raptor | cramped: http://sam6.25u.com/upload/4screenshot_1.png |
| 14:22:07 | Wuzzy | ah! okay |
| 14:22:16 | Watusimoto | and also for the other string vector before that terminal } |
| 14:22:29 | Watusimoto | get all your vectors handled and see if that narrows down the issue |
| 14:23:23 | Watusimoto | what happened to your walls??? |
| 14:23:29 | Watusimoto | screenshot is whack |
| 14:23:40 | raptor | yeah... haha |
| 14:23:43 | raptor | i just noticed that |
| 14:23:44 | raptor | uhhh |
| 14:23:48 | raptor | libpng fail? |
| 14:24:04 | raptor | wasn't like that in-game |
| 14:24:16 | raptor | must be double buffer issue with screenshots |
| 14:25:13 | raptor | sectionKeys.clear() is now crashing |
| 14:25:16 | raptor | interesing... |
| 14:25:38 | Watusimoto | good... narrows it down |
| 14:26:40 | Watusimoto | try looping through that vec and erasing one by one |
| 14:26:49 | Watusimoto | maybe printing the key before you erase |
| 14:32:31 | raptor | hmmm... loads of nulls |
| 14:34:31 | Watusimoto | nulls? these are strings, not c-strings |
| 14:34:39 | Watusimoto | do you mean empty strings? |
| 14:34:46 | raptor | have to print out c_str() with logprint |
| 14:36:49 | raptor | without profile: http://pastie.org/5356051 |
| 14:37:19 | raptor | with profile: http://pastie.org/5356054 |
| 14:37:22 | raptor | so weir |
| 14:37:23 | raptor | d |
| 14:38:50 | raptor | i wonder if there is a but in the INI parser |
| 14:38:53 | raptor | bug |
| 14:46:37 | Watusimoto | ok, those nulls are bad news |
| 14:46:48 | Watusimoto | and are almost certainly your problem |
| 14:47:44 | Watusimoto | so in GetAllKeys try printing out the keys as they get added, and maybe the total length of the vector |
| 14:49:05 | raptor | yeah, it's the last profile that is filling up with all of those... |
| 14:49:27 | raptor | i wonder if there is a funky byte somewhere in the text.. |
| 14:57:18 | Watusimoto | that shouldn't cause a problem |
| 14:57:37 | Watusimoto | can you see which item is the last valid one? |
| 15:00:37 | raptor | hmmm... the INI has parsed the section fine.. |
| 15:01:35 | raptor | all the sectionKeys are fine after the parsing.. |
| 15:03:19 | raptor | heh |
| 15:03:25 | raptor | i think i found it... verifying |
| 15:05:44 | raptor | haha |
| 15:10:35 | raptor | look at line 35: http://pastie.org/5355958 |
| 15:10:38 | raptor | notice anything? |
| 15:18:04 | Watusimoto | DPag |
| 15:18:06 | Watusimoto | but |
| 15:18:09 | raptor | heh |
| 15:18:11 | Watusimoto | that shouldn't crash the game |
| 15:18:12 | raptor | yep |
| 15:18:15 | raptor | oh it doeds |
| 15:18:17 | raptor | does |
| 15:18:22 | Watusimoto | why??? |
| 15:18:45 | raptor | because we set up an array of size MaxJoystickButtons |
| 15:18:45 | Watusimoto | we should also probably check for valid values and warn if something looks bogus |
| 15:19:04 | Watusimoto | and overrun that? |
| 15:19:11 | raptor | and if it is misspelled, it returns ButtonUnknown |
| 15:19:24 | raptor | which is in the same enum, but 1 more than Max |
| 15:19:38 | raptor | so if max buttons is 16 |
| 15:19:44 | raptor | it tries to insert at 17 |
| 15:23:13 | Watusimoto | bad idea! |
| 15:26:41 | raptor | ok, well, it's now more robust |
| 15:26:41 | | BFLogBot Commit: 253858e9b7b1 | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Fix possible crash with an unknown joystick button in the INI (probably due to misspelling) |
| 15:26:43 | | BFLogBot Commit: 4bc4ce9f7f53 | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Add in Firestorm Dual Analog 3 joystick profile |
| 15:28:18 | Watusimoto | what do you do if you find an invalid key? (dpag?) |
| 15:28:30 | raptor | print a message and move on |
| 15:28:41 | raptor | no crashing |
| 15:28:58 | Watusimoto | no crashing == good! |
| 15:29:03 | raptor | hehe, yes |
| 15:29:07 | Watusimoto | should we pop up a warning box? |
| 15:29:24 | raptor | it prints to the console now... |
| 15:29:28 | Watusimoto | chances are, it will only hit this problem right after someone has been messing with their file |
| 15:29:40 | raptor | interesting you mention warning box - SDL2 just added that to its API |
| 15:29:41 | Watusimoto | and they'd want to know if they b0rked it |
| 15:31:20 | raptor | might be good, but that brings up the greater question: do we want other logprints to go to a message box? |
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| 15:31:37 | Little_Apple | helloo |
| 15:31:43 | raptor | hi |
| 15:31:51 | Watusimoto | For serious conditions, I think we should warn |
| 15:32:02 | Watusimoto | an invalid level item might not merit it |
| 15:32:12 | Little_Apple | ok so i got virtualbox |
| 15:32:16 | Watusimoto | but a broken js config might |
| 15:32:22 | Little_Apple | and made a virtual machine... |
| 15:32:33 | Watusimoto | just thinking aloud |
| 15:33:02 | Little_Apple | and i completely interrupted so ill shut up. |
| 15:36:53 | raptor | hi |
| 15:37:57 | raptor | Watusimoto: would we want an in-game red warning box (with our UI)? or a new directive to send logprintf to another type of message box for critical things |
| 15:38:18 | Watusimoto | that's an interesting question |
| 15:38:59 | Watusimoto | what sorts of things are critical? |
| 15:39:06 | Watusimoto | a buggered configuration |
| 15:39:07 | raptor | exactly |
| 15:39:11 | raptor | yes |
| 15:39:38 | Watusimoto | no connection to the master?? |
| 15:39:49 | raptor | that has a red box already... |
| 15:39:52 | Watusimoto | no levels when hosting |
| 15:39:57 | raptor | red box |
| 15:40:24 | Watusimoto | right; so I'm thinking this should be a red error box too |
| 15:40:43 | raptor | hmm |
| 15:41:18 | Watusimoto | "the blah blah joystick configuration is b0rked. Pleaes fix it (in js.ini) to avoid seeing this message again. The js will be disabled until this is fixed." |
| 15:41:22 | Watusimoto | or something |
| 15:41:51 | raptor | ok |
| 15:42:02 | Watusimoto | that seems a good red error box think |
| 15:42:10 | raptor | yes |
| 15:42:13 | raptor | i'll have to work on it later... leaving for a few hours now |
| 15:42:18 | raptor | Little_Apple: question? |
| 15:42:23 | Watusimoto | it will only trigger when something has gone wrong that is the players falut |
| 15:42:47 | Little_Apple | yea raptor i got virtualbox made a virtual machine aaaand i dont know where to go from there |
| 15:43:02 | raptor | Little_Apple: you want to install Linux, right? |
| 15:43:11 | raptor | Watusimoto: i'll write it down |
| 15:43:17 | Watusimoto | :-) |
| 15:43:19 | Little_Apple | im guessing i ave to download linux for the virtual machine |
| 15:43:42 | raptor | Little_Apple: yes. OK. you need to pick a linux distribution to install and download the relevant ISO |
| 15:43:57 | Little_Apple | okaaaaayyyy |
| 15:44:34 | raptor | as you enter the world of Linux, you turn a corner and get eaten by a grue |
| 15:44:49 | Little_Apple | or a sea lion |
| 15:44:52 | raptor | Little_Apple: there are dozens of linux distributions to choose from |
| 15:45:23 | Little_Apple | got one |
| 15:45:24 | Little_Apple | i think |
| 15:45:26 | raptor | i have a bias towards openSUSE, but you may want to choose an ubuntu derivative since those are the most popular right now |
| 15:45:32 | raptor | Little_Apple: which one? |
| 15:45:45 | raptor | i was going to suggest this: http://www.linuxmint.com/download.php |
| 15:46:00 | Little_Apple | linux 2.6... |
| 15:46:05 | Little_Apple | something like that |
| 15:46:07 | raptor | get the MATE 32bit version |
| 15:46:09 | raptor | heh |
| 15:46:10 | Little_Apple | i have no idea what im doing... |
| 15:46:13 | raptor | ok |
| 15:46:28 | raptor | just get the ISO file from that link i posted above |
| 15:46:44 | Little_Apple | k |
| 15:47:23 | raptor | here is a more direct link: http://www.linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=103 |
| 15:47:36 | raptor | choose a USA mirror to download from |
| 15:47:50 | Little_Apple | yea i got one |
| 15:48:01 | raptor | the file you download should be something like: linuxmint-13-mate-dvd-32bit.iso |
| 15:48:08 | Little_Apple | yea |
| 15:48:08 | raptor | it's probably big |
| 15:48:12 | Little_Apple | something like that.. |
| 15:48:17 | Little_Apple | yep its big |
| 15:48:28 | raptor | you will use that to boot in your virtualbox machine |
| 15:48:36 | Little_Apple | alrighty |
| 15:48:38 | raptor | and with that... i need to split! |
| 15:48:41 | raptor | be back latersz |
| 15:48:44 | Little_Apple | k |
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| 19:42:30 | Fordcars | hellloooooo |
| 19:43:05 | Fordcars | I need help! Is there anyway I can mount a partition of an sd card which is ext2? |
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| 19:49:09 | raptor | Fordcars: yes there is, what system do you want to mount it on? |
| 19:53:05 | Fordcars | mac or windows. I tried one driver on mac but it was read only, then I tried a read and write on mac but didn't work. |
| 19:53:36 | Fordcars | I tried one on windows but it didn't work with partitions |
| 19:54:04 | Fordcars | I am too lazy to install linux just to drag a file on the sd card |
| 19:55:37 | raptor | are you comfortable with the command line? |
| 19:55:44 | Fordcars | yes |
| 19:56:09 | raptor | this is a windows driver that i know works: http://www.fs-driver.org/download.html |
| 19:56:14 | raptor | let me see about mac |
| 19:56:22 | raptor | it's been a while since i've done it on mac.. |
| 19:56:34 | Fordcars | yes that is the driver I had |
| 19:56:45 | raptor | was it read only? |
| 19:56:55 | Fordcars | It says it doesn't work because ext2 is on the second partion |
| 19:57:01 | raptor | ah |
| 19:57:08 | raptor | well it is an old one, hmm.... |
| 19:57:23 | Fordcars | It is supposed to be read and write I think |
| 19:57:35 | raptor | yes it is |
| 19:57:40 | raptor | well that stinks.. |
| 19:57:51 | raptor | and you don't happen to have a linux VM? |
| 19:58:21 | Fordcars | There is only 1 driver that worked on mac. It worked really well I installed it and then the partion just showed up on my desktop but you couldn't write |
| 19:58:50 | Fordcars | Well you could only force write which wasn't recommended |
| 19:58:55 | raptor | well, how big is the drive? |
| 19:58:58 | raptor | err sd card |
| 19:59:06 | Fordcars | 1 gb |
| 19:59:48 | raptor | you installed MacFUSE? |
| 20:00:04 | Fordcars | the normal FAT partition that does show up is 256mb and the ext2 partition is 600mb or something |
| 20:00:29 | Fordcars | yes I already had macfuse. The driver that worked was a driver for macfuse |
| 20:01:20 | raptor | hmmm |
| 20:01:23 | raptor | fuse-ext2? |
| 20:02:03 | raptor | here are good instructions to make it read/write: http://www.thewireframecommunity.com/node/174 |
| 20:02:04 | Fordcars | yes |
| 20:02:17 | Fordcars | the one I tried but you need to force write |
| 20:02:39 | raptor | make sure everything is unmounted first, then alter that automount script |
| 20:02:46 | raptor | in those directiosn from above |
| 20:02:49 | raptor | *directions |
| 20:03:31 | Fordcars | but will it make the partition stop working in linux? |
| 20:03:47 | raptor | it shouldn't |
| 20:03:54 | Fordcars | linux is not connected to the internet |
| 20:03:55 | raptor | unless you alter the partition table |
| 20:04:05 | Fordcars | ok I will try |
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| 20:06:10 | Fordcars_ | Uhhh I just changed computer can you send the pag agin? |
| 20:06:16 | raptor | ok |
| 20:06:16 | Fordcars_ | *page |
| 20:06:19 | raptor | http://www.thewireframecommunity.com/node/174 |
| 20:06:31 | Fordcars_ | ok thank you! |
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| 20:09:07 | raptor | hi Little_Apple, how goes your VM research? |
| 20:09:21 | Little_Apple | i stubbed my face |
| 20:09:30 | raptor | that must look.... funny |
| 20:09:45 | Little_Apple | yep. lots of blood. |
| 20:09:53 | raptor | so tasty, too? |
| 20:10:03 | Little_Apple | okok what do |
| 20:10:49 | raptor | 2 + 2 equal? |
| 20:10:52 | raptor | 5 |
| 20:10:59 | Little_Apple | YEP |
| 20:12:05 | Little_Apple | so how do i use the OS with virtualbox? |
| 20:12:29 | raptor | ok, have you 'built' a VM |
| 20:12:31 | raptor | ? |
| 20:12:36 | raptor | and does it have a CD drive? |
| 20:12:42 | Little_Apple | im building one now |
| 20:12:44 | Fordcars | ok so how am I supposed to open an .fs file? It just shows up as an opengl shader builder file. |
| 20:13:06 | Little_Apple | what version of linux should i have it run….. |
| 20:13:23 | Little_Apple | ? |
| 20:13:30 | raptor | Fordcars: you may need to open a text editor first, then browse to the file to open |
| 20:13:36 | raptor | Little_Apple: what are your choices? |
| 20:14:00 | Little_Apple | a lot. |
| 20:14:08 | Little_Apple | but i mean if i want it to run the one i downloaded |
| 20:14:11 | raptor | is there one for ubuntu? |
| 20:14:13 | raptor | or mint? |
| 20:14:16 | Little_Apple | yep |
| 20:14:22 | raptor | you downloaded mint 13 |
| 20:14:27 | Little_Apple | yea |
| 20:14:35 | Little_Apple | would ubuntu work? |
| 20:14:38 | raptor | which is a red-headed step-child of ubunu |
| 20:14:42 | raptor | ubuntu |
| 20:14:47 | Little_Apple | ok |
| 20:15:06 | raptor | so ubuntu should work... unless you need to categorize it by version |
| 20:15:17 | Fordcars | I tried to open in text editor but I can't open. uhhh oh I have to open .fs with windows? |
| 20:15:43 | raptor | nono |
| 20:16:00 | raptor | so |
| 20:16:02 | raptor | ok |
| 20:16:08 | Little_Apple | ok what do |
| 20:16:29 | raptor | Fordcars: you have to use the sudo nano.... command given in that link |
| 20:16:34 | raptor | because it's a system file |
| 20:16:43 | Fordcars | ooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 20:16:45 | Fordcars | ok |
| 20:17:14 | Little_Apple | raptor? |
| 20:17:18 | raptor | yes Little_Apple |
| 20:17:24 | Little_Apple | what next? |
| 20:17:28 | Little_Apple | i made the V< |
| 20:17:29 | Little_Apple | VM |
| 20:17:35 | raptor | does it have a cd drive? |
| 20:17:42 | Little_Apple | yep |
| 20:17:46 | Little_Apple | i think |
| 20:17:47 | raptor | Fordcars: if you need help with nano: http://www.tuxradar.com/content/text-editing-nano-made-easy |
| 20:17:57 | raptor | scroll down to 'nano cheat sheet' |
| 20:18:39 | raptor | Little_Apple: you have to set the cd drive to that ISO you downloaded |
| 20:18:50 | raptor | and to 'mount on startup' |
| 20:19:02 | raptor | then run the vm! |
| 20:19:03 | Little_Apple | ok one second.. |
| 20:19:18 | raptor | it takes a little figuring out |
| 20:20:43 | Little_Apple | the cd drive is in storage right? |
| 20:20:52 | raptor | yes |
| 20:21:07 | Little_Apple | ok how do i have it run my os... |
| 20:21:31 | raptor | there's usually a big play/launch button somewhere |
| 20:21:43 | Little_Apple | i mean how do i get it so it will run it |
| 20:21:46 | Little_Apple | not actually run it |
| 20:21:58 | Little_Apple | like load the OS |
| 20:21:58 | raptor | please be more grammatically specific |
| 20:22:03 | raptor | ok |
| 20:22:18 | raptor | so |
| 20:22:22 | raptor | you know how to start the VM? |
| 20:22:26 | Little_Apple | yea... |
| 20:22:35 | raptor | and did you set the CD drive to that ISO file you downloaded? |
| 20:22:36 | Little_Apple | the green arrow thing |
| 20:22:42 | Little_Apple | how do |
| 20:23:28 | raptor | there are settings for the CD drive, you have to look for something that would use a file instead of a drive |
| 20:23:39 | Little_Apple | ok…. |
| 20:24:33 | Little_Apple | wait what.. |
| 20:24:49 | Little_Apple | huah |
| 20:24:58 | Little_Apple | haauuuhhhh |
| 20:25:53 | | raptor wonders if there is an animal in the room |
| 20:26:14 | Fordcars | ok so uh I just replaced the line. |
| 20:27:22 | Little_Apple | ummm halp? |
| 20:27:31 | raptor | Fordcars: yay! |
| 20:27:57 | raptor | Little_Apple: something like this: https://encrypted.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=virtual%20box%20boot%20iso&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CC0QtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DN9f8tMAZEwc&ei=x7ieUILaM5G6qQGn0YHYDA&usg=AFQjCNG6FokAokcsl4W0Vq_D5mXI508BeQ |
| 20:27:59 | raptor | oops |
| 20:28:02 | raptor | stupid google |
| 20:28:07 | raptor | Little_Apple: this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9f8tMAZEwc |
| 20:28:17 | Little_Apple | hold on i think im onto something.. |
| 20:28:46 | raptor | Fordcars: now make sure everything is unmounted/removed, then plug it back in and it should be r/w |
| 20:31:41 | Fordcars | haha ok little_apple you booting ISO on VirtualBox? |
| 20:31:57 | Little_Apple | i cant find the file... |
| 20:32:07 | Little_Apple | this in app search thing is horrible... |
| 20:32:30 | Fordcars | euh raptor do I save or just quit terminal |
| 20:32:35 | raptor | Little_Apple: that means you need to acquire a basic understanding of file systems |
| 20:32:42 | raptor | Fordcars: save |
| 20:32:46 | raptor | then exit |
| 20:33:11 | raptor | ctrl+O saves |
| 20:33:21 | Fordcars | its not in nano cheat |
| 20:33:23 | raptor | ctrl + x exits |
| 20:33:33 | raptor | yeah, sorry... i had to figure that out... |
| 20:33:46 | Fordcars | oh haha uhh yes it is ok |
| 20:34:13 | Fordcars | 0oO0 |
| 20:34:17 | Fordcars | O |
| 20:34:24 | Fordcars | ok haha |
| 20:34:48 | Little_Apple | oh gosh... |
| 20:36:11 | Fordcars | euhh it is asking me what type of file or somthing |
| 20:36:12 | Little_Apple | ok i got to where i found the file... |
| 20:36:19 | Little_Apple | but it wont let me open it.. |
| 20:36:41 | Little_Apple | halp. |
| 20:36:50 | raptor | Fordcars: should be saved as the same name |
| 20:37:02 | raptor | Little_Apple: did you view that youtube video? |
| 20:37:12 | Little_Apple | watching. |
| 20:37:19 | raptor | pay attention! |
| 20:37:45 | Fordcars | euhh It asks me like DOS or Mac format are Backup or append.... |
| 20:37:47 | Little_Apple | he did other linux not ubuntu... |
| 20:38:15 | Fordcars | is littl)apple trying to open ubuntu in VirtualBox? |
| 20:38:22 | Little_Apple | noap |
| 20:38:23 | Fordcars | *_ |
| 20:38:25 | Little_Apple | mint |
| 20:38:37 | Fordcars | oh ok |
| 20:38:39 | raptor | mint = ubuntu |
| 20:38:55 | raptor | Fordcars: uhh, not dos |
| 20:38:58 | Fordcars | why not just boot your whole computer in minT |
| 20:39:12 | Fordcars | I know not DOS |
| 20:39:18 | raptor | :) |
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| 20:41:35 | raptor | i think i don't like nano anymore... |
| 20:42:00 | Little_Apple | hey look its working kinda |
| 20:42:42 | raptor | Little_Apple: great! |
| 20:42:52 | raptor | now we throw you to the wolves of Linux |
| 20:42:59 | Fordcars | Do I just select to file? |
| 20:43:15 | raptor | Fordcars: where are you? |
| 20:43:26 | Fordcars | North america, why? |
| 20:43:40 | Fordcars | haha ok just when I press cntr+o |
| 20:43:42 | raptor | hehe, sorry - i mean in relation to your current task |
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| 20:44:06 | Linux_Apple | aha! |
| 20:44:07 | raptor | ctrl + o |
| 20:44:15 | raptor | haha Linux_Apple |
| 20:44:16 | Linux_Apple | i have beaten life. |
| 20:44:34 | raptor | ctrl + o, uhh... append? |
| 20:44:46 | Little_Apple | ok this apple is out. peese. |
| 20:44:48 | Fordcars | I am trying to get linux working too, well Bitfighter on linux which there aren't anyway to get it connected to the internet |
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| 20:44:58 | Fordcars | append? |
| 20:45:01 | raptor | sure |
| 20:45:09 | Fordcars | ok |
| 20:45:16 | Linux_Apple | ok how get linux bitfighter |
| 20:45:17 | raptor | maybe i should figure out how to use a different stupid editor in mac for you... |
| 20:45:36 | raptor | Linux_Apple: are you running it off of the ISO file? or did you install the whole system to the virual disk? |
| 20:45:38 | raptor | *virtual |
| 20:45:45 | Linux_Apple | the iso i think |
| 20:46:05 | Linux_Apple | there is an installation option on the vm's desktop though |
| 20:46:17 | raptor | yeah, do that, then you'll have a system you can edit |
| 20:46:25 | raptor | and you can boot without the ISO |
| 20:46:25 | Linux_Apple | ok |
| 20:46:38 | raptor | Fordcars: then just exit after appending |
| 20:46:38 | Linux_Apple | im gonna have to do this with windows... |
| 20:46:52 | raptor | Linux_Apple: you can copy your virual machine to windows |
| 20:46:56 | raptor | or just start anew |
| 20:47:13 | Linux_Apple | would i have to buy a version of windows? |
| 20:47:16 | Fordcars | ohhh I can just over write the file |
| 20:47:22 | raptor | Linux_Apple: oh |
| 20:47:24 | raptor | uhhh |
| 20:47:26 | Fordcars | well save the file |
| 20:47:27 | raptor | maybe |
| 20:47:30 | Linux_Apple | or torrent it :3 |
| 20:47:57 | Fordcars | he has windows but he dosn't have windows? |
| 20:48:07 | raptor | if you have an old version of windows XP you can use the key with it, but windows vista/7/8 are locked, more or less, to the hardware |
| 20:48:22 | raptor | hi Watusimoto |
| 20:48:28 | Fordcars | ok so when I save how do I choose cancel? |
| 20:48:43 | Linux_Apple | is pirating an option? :D |
| 20:48:51 | raptor | Watusimoto: can the ErrorMessageUserInterface be invoked from anywhere? |
| 20:49:07 | Fordcars | I already got Windows xp running on my PPC mac that was quite fun |
| 20:49:23 | raptor | Linux_Apple: yes, of course, but not always a smart one |
| 20:49:26 | Watusimoto | hi |
| 20:49:29 | Linux_Apple | aha |
| 20:49:46 | Fordcars | ok so how do I choose append or cancel it justs writes it in a line |
| 20:49:50 | Watusimoto | raptor: yes, i think so |
| 20:49:57 | Linux_Apple | is there a free/legal way to get xp? |
| 20:50:11 | Watusimoto | what you do is make it the current ui, and when you quit it, the previously current ui becomes current again |
| 20:50:30 | Watusimoto | there are plenty of examples; just follow oine fo those |
| 20:50:31 | raptor | Linux_Apple: use an old copy, or find a friend with one that they're not using anymore |
| 20:50:34 | Watusimoto | no free xp |
| 20:50:36 | raptor | Watusimoto: ok |
| 20:50:40 | Linux_Apple | bah humbug |
| 20:50:44 | Watusimoto | want legal xp, buy one on ebay |
| 20:50:47 | Watusimoto | should be cheap |
| 20:51:06 | Linux_Apple | checking. |
| 20:51:41 | Watusimoto | trying to figure out flickering soccer ball isseu |
| 20:51:49 | Watusimoto | every second frame, soccer ball is not drawn |
| 20:51:51 | raptor | XP in a VM is the only way to go now... so you can revert once you get the viruses.. |
| 20:51:52 | Watusimoto | really odd |
| 20:52:04 | Watusimoto | ha |
| 20:53:11 | Linux_Apple | ew this web browser uses yahoo... |
| 20:54:41 | Fordcars | ok uh please raptor go check my post technical discussion |
| 20:55:08 | Fordcars | WAIT! Well I think I know |
| 20:55:36 | Linux_Apple | downloading ubuntu.. |
| 20:55:44 | Linux_Apple | and im gone. |
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| 20:56:42 | raptor | Fordcars: soo... you figured it out? |
| 20:58:04 | Fordcars | Yes sorry! uh I forgot to check out that nano cheat. So I saved and exit and quit |
| 20:58:11 | Fordcars | lets test it out |
| 20:58:14 | raptor | ha |
| 20:58:18 | raptor | ok, i'll delete post |
| 21:05:07 | Fordcars | ok sorry! |
| 21:06:00 | raptor | Watusimoto: i'm having trouble deciding where to put the message: loadJoystickPresets() are loaded before the VideoSystem in main.cpp |
| 21:06:00 | Fordcars | so I just dragged bitfighter in root, adn ejected both partitions, its long to eject |
| 21:06:35 | Watusimoto | I see two possibilities |
| 21:06:38 | Watusimoto | three possibilities |
| 21:06:49 | raptor | maybe I'll need to cache the error(s) and show it later |
| 21:06:52 | Watusimoto | 1) set a flag and show the error after video system is inited |
| 21:07:04 | Watusimoto | 2) load video system first |
| 21:07:19 | Watusimoto | 3) use SDL error box and leave it at that |
| 21:07:38 | Watusimoto | what is the proper action if the js is b0rked? continue with game, or exit? |
| 21:08:14 | raptor | well, i could put the segfault back... |
| 21:09:08 | Watusimoto | that sounds good |
| 21:09:28 | Watusimoto | maybe just add a message "sorry your computer is corrupt. please reinstall your operating system." |
| 21:09:33 | raptor | it's just a preset |
| 21:09:43 | raptor | soo continue |
| 21:09:48 | Watusimoto | ok |
| 21:09:53 | raptor | bitfighter as a virus |
| 21:09:59 | Watusimoto | there we go |
| 21:10:09 | Watusimoto | ok, so then either 1 or 2 |
| 21:10:30 | Watusimoto | 2 seems cleaner, but there may be reasons why things load in the order they do |
| 21:10:49 | Watusimoto | like if video needs something that hasn;t loaded yet |
| 21:11:08 | raptor | video is dependent on lots |
| 21:11:12 | Watusimoto | yes |
| 21:12:09 | Watusimoto | so if 2 is not feasible, we're left with 1 |
| 21:12:23 | Fordcars | ok so uh my computer crashed |
| 21:12:37 | Fordcars | when I ejected |
| 21:12:46 | raptor | yay! |
| 21:12:53 | raptor | now you can try from a fresh system! |
| 21:13:00 | Watusimoto | linux mint |
| 21:13:02 | Fordcars | thanks for your support |
| 21:13:04 | raptor | :) |
| 21:13:23 | Fordcars | so yeah now what |
| 21:13:26 | raptor | Fordcars: and this was mac? |
| 21:13:28 | Fordcars | I am starting up |
| 21:13:32 | Fordcars | yes |
| 21:13:45 | raptor | huh - i didn't think mac would crash that hard... |
| 21:13:52 | raptor | that takes some special skill |
| 21:15:50 | Fordcars | well It still worked but the dock crashed and I couldn't shutdown, log out or restart finder. |
| 21:16:13 | raptor | amazing! |
| 21:16:25 | raptor | i'd just restart, stick in the sdcard and try to write to it.. |
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| 21:17:51 | Little_Apple | helloo |
| 21:18:06 | Little_Apple | i come seeking help |
| 21:18:52 | Little_Apple | how i change screen size |
| 21:19:21 | raptor | after the VM has booted up, just change the desktop size in the system |
| 21:19:32 | Little_Apple | tried that... |
| 21:19:49 | Little_Apple | using ubuntu |
| 21:19:55 | raptor | why not mint? |
| 21:20:11 | Little_Apple | im trying to see if i can get steam for linux working |
| 21:20:28 | raptor | mint 13 = ubuntu 12.04 |
| 21:20:46 | Little_Apple | canijustdodis? |
| 21:21:08 | Fordcars | I plugged sd card back in, the file was transfered. When I like ejected it it bugged because of macfuse and it as saying that the ext2 partition couldn't eject so I ejected it manually |
| 21:21:23 | sam686 | i don't think steam would work too well on linux, does it? even if it does, there is very little games on linux compared to windows |
| 21:21:27 | Fordcars | it was saying it was in use |
| 21:21:42 | Little_Apple | they have a beta for linux |
| 21:21:45 | Fordcars | there is Bitfighter! |
| 21:21:57 | Little_Apple | HOW I CHANGE SCREEN SIZE |
| 21:22:58 | raptor | Little_Apple: welcome to linux! |
| 21:23:14 | Little_Apple | linux: the OS where you cant change the screen size |
| 21:23:17 | raptor | nobody knows how to change the screensize because it's different on every linux distro! |
| 21:23:24 | Little_Apple | heck yea ubuntu has google |
| 21:23:31 | raptor | Little_Apple: you will have to go look it up yourself |
| 21:23:54 | sam686 | if you tring to change screen size in virtualbox, you might need to install an up-to-date guest additions.. |
| 21:25:04 | Fordcars | Does linux uh mint hve a GUI or is it text based? |
| 21:25:37 | Little_Apple | ok using mint again.. |
| 21:25:50 | sam686 | maybe you can look at this: http://www.google.com/search?q=virtualbox+linux+change+screen+size |
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| 21:32:30 | Fordcars | YAY! I managed to sort things now! Now I actually can read and write ext2 and I managed to replace the file I put on the sd card just to make sure it was ok and when I ejected it didn't crash |
| 21:32:43 | raptor | great! |
| 21:33:08 | Fordcars | now lets uh try booting my old wii on linux |
| 21:33:22 | Fordcars | yes it actually was for my old wii |
| 21:35:29 | raptor | ha |
| 21:38:26 | Little_Apple | this is weird. |
| 21:45:54 | Fordcars | I'm actually booting now |
| 21:48:00 | Fordcars | I am changing computer because I need this keyboard |
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| 21:52:29 | Fordcars_ | ok |
| 22:06:44 | Fordcars_ | I am finally in |
| 22:07:58 | Fordcars_ | what is the command again to get a list of apps apt get list or something |
| 22:33:15 | Fordcars_ | help |
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| 22:33:55 | Fordcars | euh |
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| 22:36:44 | sam686 | umm, linux on wii? wii only has 88 MB memory. i think |
| 22:37:14 | fordcars__ | yeah it's slow |
| 22:37:31 | fordcars__ | what is the command to install .deb |
| 22:38:15 | sam686 | what are you trying to install? on which distribution of linux? |
| 22:38:42 | fordcars__ | bitfighter on debian |
| 22:39:02 | fordcars__ | but I'm not sure if it will work |
| 22:40:03 | sam686 | did you try some instruction here? http://bitfighter.org/wiki/index.php/Building_Bitfighter#Linux (Ubuntu and Debian appear to have the same apt-get) |
| 22:41:59 | fordcars__ | uhh I just wanted to make the app work, and linux isn't connected to the internet |
| 22:43:07 | fordcars__ | I tried apt-get install bitfighter and it says it cant find it |
| 22:43:54 | fordcars__ | I have bitfighter_013e_i386.deb |
| 22:44:29 | sam686 | http://www.google.com/search?q=install+a+.deb+debian |
| 22:44:58 | sam686 | but it might need more packages that bitfighter needs, i think |
| 22:49:36 | Watusimoto | sam686 and raptor: quick question to make sure my thinking is straight |
| 22:49:54 | Watusimoto | on the server, we only care about actual position -- render pos is irrelevant |
| 22:50:19 | Watusimoto | on the client, for drawing and collsion purposes, we only care about render pos |
| 22:50:45 | sam686 | Fordcars: Wii has built in wireless, but may need to set up on linux, try looking for some info about it: http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+wii+wireless+connect+help |
| 22:50:59 | Watusimoto | actualpos is, on the client, more of an aspirational state; but its only purpose is to describe what the renderstate _should_ be |
| 22:51:05 | Watusimoto | is that more or less correct? |
| 22:51:35 | Watusimoto | and therefore, is it fair to conclude, that in the database, we want to store the actualpos on the server, and the renderpos on the client? |
| 22:52:09 | sam686 | Watusimoto, i think on client side uses both render and actualPos, so RenderPos can slowly move to ActualPos, instead of awful jumpy moving objects. |
| 22:52:32 | Watusimoto | yes, but we never render actualpos, nor do any collision detection with it |
| 22:52:34 | Watusimoto | right? |
| 22:53:09 | Watusimoto | so we need to track each object's actualpos, but we only use it to adjust renderPos, never directly |
| 22:53:09 | sam686 | but yes you right about server side not using RenderPos for almost nothing.. but I think it always do collisionDetection on actualPos |
| 22:54:02 | fordcars__ | wii has wi-fi but since I have a newer wii, linux is running after Wiis normal os so it can't connect to the internet |
| 22:54:07 | sam686 | it doesn't make sense to make renderPos not able to go to actualPos just because a wall is in the way, then cause incorrect rendering position.. |
| 22:54:51 | sam686 | will go, will be back one hour |
| 22:54:58 | Watusimoto | I think walls renderstate alwayus = actualstate |
| 22:55:03 | Watusimoto | later! |
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| 23:08:18 | Fordcars | what would be the best bitfighter version for slow ppc? |
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| 23:10:23 | fordcars__ | what would be the best bitfighter debian version for slow ppc? |
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| 23:48:21 | amgine1234567890 | wow busy busy whats going on |
