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| 00:10:51 | raptor | one day i need to rewrite logbot in python.. |
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| 00:43:49 | kaen | did you guys see this yet: Rank 56 of 1,139 |
| 00:44:05 | kaen | according to http://www.desura.com/games/bitfighter |
| 00:47:45 | Watusimoto | awesome!! |
| 00:48:38 | Watusimoto | lots of reviews there, too |
| 00:48:59 | Watusimoto | vonorix is a lameo |
| 00:49:41 | Watusimoto | fordcars only rated us an 8 |
| 00:49:54 | Watusimoto | 2nd lowest rating |
| 00:51:16 | kaen | lol it wants me to justify a 10 point rating |
| 00:51:38 | Watusimoto | the game justifies itself! |
| 00:52:21 | kaen | hah! |
| 00:52:27 | kaen | it told me a review was required |
| 00:52:31 | kaen | but then let me post without one |
| 00:52:39 | kaen | silly web developers. |
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| 00:54:36 | Watusimoto | well... my little fix to make escape properly exit the chat menu (with the new fix for chatting while placing engineered items) has spiraled so out of control it is ridiculous |
| 00:54:59 | raptor | we got a 1 star on desura! |
| 00:55:06 | kaen | ugh. I hate it when that happens |
| 00:55:11 | kaen | raptor, brazillians |
| 00:55:24 | Watusimoto | is that like one star out of 5, or like a gold star from Mrs. Keef in 1st grade? |
| 00:55:38 | raptor | 10% |
| 00:55:44 | Watusimoto | everything is broken |
| 00:56:00 | raptor | ? |
| 00:56:14 | Watusimoto | on my copy of bf |
| 00:56:19 | Watusimoto | everything is broken |
| 00:56:45 | raptor | version control woes? |
| 00:57:13 | Watusimoto | no |
| 00:57:18 | raptor | ok good |
| 00:57:20 | Watusimoto | refactor woes |
| 00:57:38 | raptor | i looked at the chat-engineer problem... it was too complicated for me to do at midnight.. |
| 00:57:40 | Watusimoto | 2AM woes |
| 00:58:05 | Watusimoto | it all (used to) work, except for this one escape issue |
| 00:58:10 | Watusimoto | now... who knows |
| 00:58:22 | raptor | to bed! |
| 00:58:27 | Watusimoto | soon |
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| 01:01:46 | raptor | that 1 star dropped us a whole point! |
| 01:01:48 | bobdaduck | DANG. |
| 01:01:59 | bobdaduck | 24 dungeons fixed |
| 01:02:03 | bobdaduck | 22 dungeons still broken |
| 01:02:45 | Watusimoto | post on the forums -- rally the troos |
| 01:02:47 | Watusimoto | troops |
| 01:02:56 | Watusimoto | coutneract that 1 rating |
| 01:03:22 | Watusimoto | get all your facebook friends into action! |
| 01:03:46 | Watusimoto | tweet the flashmob! |
| 01:03:48 | bobdaduck | rofl |
| 01:06:09 | Watusimoto | raptor: we finished the regexp crossword tonight. ian was going so fast I couldn't keep up |
| 01:06:35 | Watusimoto | as he was falling asleep he asked me about other character classes (other than \s \w and \d) |
| 01:06:43 | Watusimoto | I kid you not |
| 01:06:47 | bobdaduck | Adorable |
| 01:06:50 | raptor | haha wow |
| 01:07:03 | raptor | he's what 12? |
| 01:07:07 | Watusimoto | 10 |
| 01:07:09 | raptor | ! |
| 01:07:17 | Watusimoto | Half proud, half concerned |
| 01:07:24 | Watusimoto | I want grandkids, afterall |
| 01:07:29 | raptor | hahaha |
| 01:07:36 | bobdaduck | lol |
| 01:08:30 | Watusimoto | the older one was just like "mom, would you tell dad I'm trying to sleep?" |
| 01:09:28 | raptor | oh, well it sounds like you'll get grandkids from one vector... |
| 01:11:17 | raptor | kaen: how far did you get with hacking together a Linux desura thingamajig? |
| 01:11:31 | raptor | because, I think I may have time tonight to do a hack job.. |
| 01:12:20 | kaen | I haven't touched it |
| 01:12:35 | kaen | and I'm about to begin the pack-up-everything-I-own process |
| 01:12:48 | kaen | so I likely won't have time to help until after the weekend :/ |
| 01:13:11 | raptor | oh ok |
| 01:13:13 | raptor | thanks |
| 01:13:19 | kaen | uh |
| 01:13:21 | kaen | you're welcome |
| 01:13:22 | raptor | then maybe it'll be done when you get back! |
| 01:14:02 | kaen | along with everything else, I trust! |
| 01:14:05 | Watusimoto | kaen: moving or prison |
| 01:14:11 | kaen | hehe |
| 01:14:13 | kaen | moving |
| 01:14:19 | Watusimoto | good! |
| 01:14:33 | kaen | that would be a short stay in prison... |
| 01:14:57 | Watusimoto | better than a long stay, though |
| 01:15:04 | kaen | certainly |
| 01:19:22 | raptor | any more movie ideas? |
| 01:20:17 | raptor | (and kaen, don't worry, my wife isn't that 'normal'... she did go see LOTR:Return of the King like 11 times in the theatres) |
| 01:21:10 | kaen | you've seen benjamin button, right? |
| 01:21:15 | raptor | yes |
| 01:21:18 | raptor | an odd one |
| 01:21:29 | raptor | felt like forrest gump |
| 01:21:37 | kaen | that's a good analogy. |
| 01:22:31 | raptor | someone suggested 'the day the earth stood still'; what do you think? |
| 01:26:25 | Watusimoto | looking for movies? |
| 01:26:42 | raptor | yes |
| 01:26:57 | Watusimoto | seen safety not guranteed? |
| 01:27:16 | raptor | nope |
| 01:27:18 | Watusimoto | I liked that one |
| 01:27:32 | raptor | there is a lot that we haven't seen, but modern stuff has recently been disappointing |
| 01:27:39 | raptor | so we've turned our eyes backwards |
| 01:27:58 | raptor | someone suggested citizen kane, which we just finished - it was ok |
| 01:27:59 | Watusimoto | glengary glenross was quite good, if you're looking for something older |
| 01:28:07 | Watusimoto | not that old |
| 01:28:11 | Watusimoto | seen moon? |
| 01:28:25 | Watusimoto | seen exit through the gift shop? |
| 01:28:30 | raptor | nope |
| 01:28:36 | Watusimoto | moon is good sci fi |
| 01:28:42 | raptor | 'moon' ? |
| 01:28:47 | Watusimoto | yes |
| 01:29:42 | Watusimoto | I watched this earlier tonight (it's only 10 mins) but rather liked it |
| 01:29:43 | Watusimoto | http://www.shortoftheweek.com/2012/09/12/everything-is-incredible/ |
| 01:30:14 | Watusimoto | exit through the gift shop is a documentary about banksy |
| 01:30:20 | Watusimoto | the british street artist |
| 01:30:35 | Watusimoto | but maybe it's not about him or a documentary |
| 01:30:40 | Watusimoto | I'm really not sure |
| 01:30:53 | Watusimoto | but I have thought about it a lot since I saw it |
| 01:30:57 | Watusimoto | also... monsters |
| 01:31:03 | Watusimoto | that was quite good. another sci fi |
| 01:31:14 | | raptor is writing these down |
| 01:31:33 | Watusimoto | saw django unchained a few weeks ago |
| 01:31:55 | Watusimoto | good if you like great characters, lots of blood, and an overwraught ending |
| 01:32:51 | Watusimoto | also other earth (I think) sci fi about an identical copy of earch |
| 01:32:53 | Watusimoto | earth |
| 01:33:00 | Watusimoto | sounds stupid, but was really good |
| 01:33:15 | bobdaduck | Feature request: Search by map creater. |
| 01:33:17 | raptor | 'another earth' ? |
| 01:33:30 | raptor | made in 2011? |
| 01:33:49 | Platskies | Feature request: Remove lag from US servers :( |
| 01:33:49 | raptor | bobdaduck: that would be part of our mythical level database! |
| 01:33:50 | Watusimoto | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Another_Earth |
| 01:33:52 | bobdaduck | I like tron, inception, source code, and mirrormask. |
| 01:33:57 | Watusimoto | short on the sci, but still good |
| 01:34:18 | bobdaduck | and kaen: I think I just crashed kaen test by pilferring all its maps. |
| 01:34:27 | Watusimoto | Platskies: only solution is a server in oz |
| 01:34:43 | Watusimoto | which we did have for a while |
| 01:34:55 | Platskies | I found a 70-80 ping server called LittleMonkey |
| 01:35:00 | kaen | bobdaduck, I've prepared for that likelihood :) |
| 01:35:03 | Watusimoto | Platskies: for what it;s worth, I suffer the same problem 180-200 ping is typical |
| 01:35:04 | kaen | the servers restart themselves |
| 01:35:11 | raptor | 'oz' - is that an official term? |
| 01:35:20 | Platskies | Watusimoto: Yeah I know |
| 01:35:21 | Watusimoto | define official |
| 01:35:22 | kaen | s/likelihood/eventuality/ |
| 01:35:27 | bobdaduck | Also raptor: There's a ton of tutorial maps people have made on kaen test (if its up) and some of them look like they're a lot better than skybax's. |
| 01:35:32 | bobdaduck | Drspacebar made a tutorial. |
| 01:35:36 | raptor | really?? |
| 01:35:40 | kaen | I saw that one |
| 01:35:43 | kaen | it's pretty thorough |
| 01:35:49 | raptor | because I don't mind doing a different one |
| 01:35:57 | raptor | if you guys think it's good |
| 01:36:04 | kaen | yep, servers auto-restarted :) |
| 01:36:11 | kaen | good thinking, kaen! |
| 01:36:14 | kaen | thanks, kaen! |
| 01:36:16 | bobdaduck | Good thinking kaen! |
| 01:36:18 | Platskies | can I convince someone to join LittleMonkey? :^ |
| 01:36:21 | bobdaduck | lol |
| 01:36:32 | raptor | good thinking kaen! (and can I have your script?) |
| 01:36:51 | Watusimoto | btw, the antoher earth page I linked to has lots of spoilers |
| 01:37:10 | raptor | we need runtime stack traces on crash.. |
| 01:37:41 | kaen | it's super simple, but: http://pastie.org/6319852 |
| 01:37:56 | kaen | you need the disown %1 after each run_server so that it doesn't terminate when you log out |
| 01:38:33 | raptor | i've used 'disown' but not the %1 before.. |
| 01:38:41 | kaen | %1 just means the last job |
| 01:38:49 | raptor | oh duh |
| 01:38:51 | raptor | ok |
| 01:38:59 | raptor | and.. while true? |
| 01:39:00 | kaen | it might be unnecessary |
| 01:39:05 | kaen | well, like I said |
| 01:39:09 | kaen | really quick hack |
| 01:39:22 | kaen | I found out the server was crashing right before I left for work |
| 01:39:27 | raptor | i mean, that's how i'd do it, but it blocks? |
| 01:39:41 | kaen | it forks each run_server |
| 01:39:44 | kaen | with & |
| 01:39:52 | kaen | makes sure you have the & at the end |
| 01:40:11 | kaen | and yeah, the script is synchronous |
| 01:40:18 | kaen | er, the while loop |
| 01:40:29 | Watusimoto | ok, 2:40.... good night! |
| 01:40:37 | kaen | night! |
| 01:40:56 | raptor | night! |
| 01:41:04 | raptor | ok, good idea kaen |
| 01:41:05 | Platskies | See ya! |
| 01:41:05 | raptor | but |
| 01:41:09 | raptor | the while loop |
| 01:41:11 | kaen | oh god |
| 01:41:18 | raptor | ? |
| 01:41:19 | kaen | just realized my file paths are goofy |
| 01:41:29 | kaen | not that it's an issue for you |
| 01:41:32 | raptor | ok |
| 01:41:34 | raptor | so |
| 01:41:42 | kaen | but in general I like to distribute things other people can just use. |
| 01:41:51 | raptor | just to be clear - the while loop will block when the binary is run, until it exits, correct? |
| 01:42:06 | kaen | yes |
| 01:42:11 | raptor | ok ko |
| 01:42:29 | raptor | thanks, will adapt for the tutorial server and 'ghost' |
| 01:42:40 | kaen | oh, do you run ghost? |
| 01:42:57 | raptor | i run both from the master, yes |
| 01:43:03 | kaen | I didn't know that |
| 01:43:39 | raptor | bobdaduck convinced me there was a need for a server with semi-decent maps for more competitive play |
| 01:43:56 | bobdaduck | Sam test was all there was.... |
| 01:43:57 | bobdaduck | xD |
| 01:44:03 | raptor | so I got phantomime's collection and put it up |
| 01:44:10 | raptor | so far feedback hasn't been too horrible... |
| 01:44:18 | kaen | I love the maps |
| 01:44:29 | kaen | the ones I've seen anyway |
| 01:44:35 | kaen | which is only the 1v1s |
| 01:44:48 | raptor | i like that yin-yang ctf map |
| 01:44:52 | kaen | me too |
| 01:45:10 | kaen | I like small simple maps like that |
| 01:45:24 | kaen | reminds me of haiku |
| 01:46:02 | raptor | the OS? |
| 01:46:07 | raptor | oh, the poems |
| 01:46:11 | bobdaduck | lol |
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| 01:47:48 | bobdaduck | Also |
| 01:47:54 | bobdaduck | I have a bunch of new novelty maps. |
| 01:48:03 | bobdaduck | Hosting if anyone wants to see all my brilliant finds. |
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| 01:51:47 | amgine1234567890 | hi there wanted to check up if you need me to do the testing..... |
| 01:52:16 | amgine1234567890 | sorry im not on as often my grandpa has severe altimherz and my grandma has bad arthiritis so i stey a couole days a week to help them. |
| 02:06:09 | raptor | amgine1234567890: that is a much more worthy cause than testing for bitfiighter - no forgiveness is necessary :) |
| 02:11:47 | raptor | ok, tutorial and ghost are now kaen-looped for greatness! |
| 02:14:20 | bobdaduck | Everyone |
| 02:14:22 | bobdaduck | should come to my server |
| 02:14:25 | bobdaduck | like, right now |
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| 03:24:53 | Lamp89 | raptor: |
| 03:25:00 | raptor | Lamp89: |
| 03:25:17 | bobdaduck | Kaen: |
| 03:25:37 | raptor | watusimoto: |
| 03:25:42 | raptor | sam686: |
| 03:25:51 | raptor | what are we doing? |
| 03:27:48 | Lamp89 | Bitfighter.ini got reset. |
| 03:27:48 | Lamp89 | I was playing a game earlier today with bobdaduck testing a dungeon. Then my computer crashed. It restarted and Resume (built in Mac OS feature) had stuff back where it was. Bitfighter opened and i joined the game. Other apps opened and made Bitfigther disappear from fullscreen. I sent the crash report and went back to Bitfighter. Then Bitfighter froze. i restarted Bitfighter and noticed everything back to defaults. |
| 03:28:16 | raptor | makes sense |
| 03:28:23 | Lamp89 | just because I say raptor: and is typing doesnt mean you think i'm just joking. -_- |
| 03:28:35 | raptor | if you crash when a file is open, you can lose that file |
| 03:28:39 | Lamp89 | so what i wnat to know is |
| 03:28:45 | Lamp89 | oh that |
| 03:28:51 | Lamp89 | so... |
| 03:28:54 | Lamp89 | bitfighter crashed? |
| 03:28:56 | Lamp89 | right? |
| 03:29:08 | raptor | wait, you have a crash report? |
| 03:29:21 | Lamp89 | well it didnt crash, it froze and i didn't wait long, so i force-quit it |
| 03:29:26 | raptor | ahh |
| 03:29:29 | Lamp89 | i have a computer crash report |
| 03:29:34 | Lamp89 | but not a bitfighter crash report |
| 03:29:38 | raptor | ah ok |
| 03:29:42 | Lamp89 | not the one form the incident i mentioned |
| 03:30:12 | Lamp89 | wait i started hosting today and you joined and left like 3 times... |
| 03:30:26 | Lamp89 | did it show up as Bitfighter Host? |
| 03:30:26 | Lamp89 | i think it did |
| 03:30:30 | raptor | ah yes |
| 03:30:32 | raptor | it did |
| 03:30:43 | Lamp89 | dang i have to add the server info back |
| 03:30:45 | raptor | hmmm... i wonder |
| 03:30:59 | raptor | kaen: would you have ideas about crash resiliency with the INI? |
| 03:31:18 | Lamp89 | no admin pass... humph |
| 03:31:27 | Lamp89 | gotta shut it down like i usually do |
| 03:31:41 | Lamp89 | by closing the window >:} |
| 03:32:10 | Lamp89 | okay info was put back |
| 03:32:21 | Lamp89 | now it's back up |
| 03:32:34 | Lamp89 | you can configure your server info just by going to the host game page |
| 03:32:41 | Lamp89 | then at terminal, enter the command: |
| 03:32:46 | Lamp89 | /Applications/Bitfighter.app/Contents/MacOS/Bitfighter -dedicated |
| 03:32:51 | Lamp89 | if that's where the app is |
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| 03:33:49 | raptor | that looks awfully like a driveby spamming |
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| 03:36:16 | Lamp89 | hmm |
| 03:36:41 | Lamp89 | /me test 1 |
| 03:36:41 | Lamp89 | /me 2 |
| 03:36:41 | Lamp89 | /me 3 |
| 03:36:42 | Lamp89 | /part #bifighter 4 |
| 03:36:49 | Lamp89 | no it didn't work :? |
| 03:36:56 | | Lamp89 is confused |
| 03:37:25 | Lamp89 | commands don't work when using the paste dialog. how did it bypass it i wonder? |
| 03:38:40 | Lamp89 | <raptor> that looks awfully like a driveby spamming |
| 03:38:42 | Lamp89 | it was not |
| 03:38:49 | Lamp89 | i had to go really quick... |
| 03:38:57 | raptor | heh, ok :) |
| 03:39:51 | Lamp89 | raptor do you know anytrhing about IRC? |
| 03:39:59 | Lamp89 | beacuse here's something odd... |
| 03:40:04 | Lamp89 | [3:36:09] --> Lamp89 has joined |
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| 03:40:04 | Lamp89 | [3:36:10] --> Lamp89 has joined |
| 03:40:22 | Lamp89 | when i joined, it looks like i joined, left, and joined again |
| 03:40:30 | Lamp89 | at first my cloak didn't work |
| 03:40:42 | Lamp89 | and it said Quit (Changing host) |
| 03:40:51 | Lamp89 | what does changing host mean? |
| 03:41:13 | raptor | that means you're connecting to the channel before authenticating |
| 03:41:13 | Lamp89 | raptor: |
| 03:41:18 | Lamp89 | oh |
| 03:41:27 | Lamp89 | doesnt it always do that? |
| 03:41:31 | raptor | anywyas, i have to do some studying... back in a bit |
| 03:41:34 | raptor | no |
| 03:41:44 | raptor | you can 'log in' to IRC when connecting |
| 03:41:52 | Lamp89 | :? |
| 03:42:00 | Lamp89 | watever |
| 03:42:04 | Lamp89 | bye |
| 03:42:24 | | Lamp89 is not much of an idler. |
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| 04:43:54 | amgine1234567890 | well raptor whne its time for testing call me |
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| 15:26:00 | raptor | good morning |
| 15:26:32 | raptor | kaen: do you think it is safe to say libz is found on all like distros with glibc as old as ubuntu 10.04 LTS? |
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| 16:34:22 | bobdaduck | Morning all |
| 16:34:30 | bobdaduck | all yall gents |
| 16:34:33 | raptor | hi |
| 16:34:55 | kaen | morning |
| 16:35:08 | kaen | I'm on hour 29 right now guys... |
| 16:35:30 | bobdaduck | gratz? |
| 16:35:31 | raptor | go to bed! |
| 16:35:43 | kaen | and sleep through dinner?! |
| 16:35:48 | kaen | no way. |
| 16:44:56 | raptor | i will refrain from asking you technical questions, then |
| 16:46:03 | kaen | yes, the results could be catastrophic |
| 16:47:22 | kaen | regarding INI resiliency, all I know about it is that I accidentally forkbombed myself when writing that restart script once |
| 16:47:29 | kaen | and found every ini file had been reset to default. |
| 16:47:39 | raptor | hmm... |
| 17:00:24 | raptor | ok, i think i got all the ubutnu libraries... |
| 17:00:42 | raptor | is ALSA guaranteed to be on a Linux system nowadays? |
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| 17:37:33 | raptor | kaen: are you on an ubuntu/debian system? |
| 17:37:36 | raptor | and 64bit? |
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| 17:45:56 | raptor | build 'freeorion' |
| 17:46:10 | raptor | and your compilation units will use over 1GB of RAM each |
| 17:46:16 | raptor | all thanks to Boost! |
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| 18:36:51 | raptor | any Linux users here? |
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| 18:57:06 | bobdaduck | Kaen |
| 18:57:11 | bobdaduck | I know the map that crashes kaen test. |
| 18:57:16 | bobdaduck | Its "test object suite" |
| 18:57:16 | raptor | Linux desura package works! |
| 18:57:22 | raptor | ha! that's my map |
| 18:57:25 | bobdaduck | Which if I remember right includes worm and circle |
| 18:57:27 | raptor | and I know why it crashes.. |
| 18:57:31 | raptor | yeah, Worm |
| 18:57:40 | raptor | server comes back though, right? |
| 18:58:02 | bobdaduck | Right |
| 18:59:59 | bobdaduck | Why does worm crash things? |
| 19:00:10 | raptor | we're not quite sure... |
| 19:00:16 | raptor | i should take a closer look... |
| 19:09:22 | raptor | bobdaduck: please tell me of this better tutorial level? |
| 19:13:15 | bobdaduck | Uh |
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| 20:30:23 | raptor | ok Watusimoto, Linux Desura is done... it was a little more work than I wanted to do, but hopefully there won't be much more... |
| 20:33:21 | Watusimoto | hi |
| 20:33:30 | Watusimoto | what did you do? |
| 20:33:37 | Watusimoto | and what will we have to do in the future? |
| 20:34:18 | Watusimoto | and... down to one compile error!!!!! |
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| 20:37:27 | raptor | Watusimoto: I painstakingly downloaded all required libraries from Ubuntu 10.04LTS |
| 20:37:34 | Watusimoto | uh oh |
| 20:37:35 | raptor | 64 and 32 bit |
| 20:37:50 | Watusimoto | just for the missing 2 or for all of them |
| 20:38:01 | Watusimoto | or, to be more clear, how many? |
| 20:38:06 | raptor | and created a wrapper script that would launch either a 32 or 64 bit version of the bitfighter binary and load the respective libs |
| 20:38:40 | raptor | 12 ish |
| 20:38:45 | Watusimoto | wow |
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| 20:39:04 | Watusimoto | will this script need to be maintained in the future? |
| 20:39:14 | Watusimoto | or is it (mostly) set up, and we can forget it? |
| 20:39:18 | raptor | mostly set up |
| 20:39:36 | Watusimoto | I guess until we change libs |
| 20:40:12 | raptor | about 6.7MB of various libs |
| 20:40:33 | raptor | well, you can take a look at the package on the desura page: http://www.desura.com/games/publish/bitfighter/execute |
| 20:40:43 | raptor | if you do 'view' you'll see what I mean |
| 20:40:47 | Watusimoto | ok |
| 20:41:00 | raptor | i made a few assumptions |
| 20:41:11 | raptor | like that the user would have X11 installed, and opengl |
| 20:41:36 | raptor | oh and ALSA |
| 20:41:40 | Watusimoto | well.... congratulations |
| 20:41:45 | raptor | and pthreads |
| 20:41:47 | Watusimoto | looks like closer to 30 libs |
| 20:41:57 | raptor | oh, that's because softlinks |
| 20:41:59 | Watusimoto | well, 2 copies of each |
| 20:42:04 | raptor | oh yeah |
| 20:42:06 | raptor | that's right |
| 20:42:07 | Watusimoto | ah, I see |
| 20:42:09 | raptor | about 30ish, then |
| 20:42:31 | Watusimoto | well, thanks for doing that |
| 20:42:36 | raptor | i already tested on my machine, and it has music! |
| 20:42:41 | Watusimoto | I had just planned on not doing it |
| 20:42:42 | raptor | and screenshots work... |
| 20:42:46 | Watusimoto | as we had discussed |
| 20:42:48 | Watusimoto | excellent! |
| 20:42:51 | raptor | heh, me too |
| 20:43:09 | Watusimoto | so moving forward, how easy will it be to build the new linux desura package? |
| 20:43:33 | raptor | not super-easy... |
| 20:43:52 | raptor | i have to compile the game for ubuntu 10.04 LTS, which the OBS can actually do for me |
| 20:44:06 | Watusimoto | can we roll it into the cmake script somehow? |
| 20:44:12 | Watusimoto | oh, maybe not then |
| 20:44:22 | raptor | i have a script written that auto extracts and sets up the binaries and resources into a folder |
| 20:44:52 | raptor | cmake can probably do it, for one architecture |
| 20:45:01 | raptor | but we want both in the package... |
| 20:47:29 | raptor | for hating engineer bobdaduck, you sure know how to make a *really* good engineer level with 'feudalism' |
| 20:48:22 | bobdaduck | I would delete feudalism straight out if it we removed engineer |
| 20:48:41 | raptor | that was actually a really fun game... |
| 20:48:49 | raptor | loads of strategy |
| 20:48:54 | bobdaduck | But we've discussed the principle in the forums: you can't make a good dungeon unless you hate dungeons |
| 20:49:03 | raptor | haha |
| 20:49:04 | bobdaduck | Same applies to engineer I think |
| 20:50:48 | Watusimoto | I found a bug with the python notifier that i have no idea how to fix |
| 20:51:05 | raptor | great! |
| 20:51:29 | Watusimoto | but it seems that when I suspend the computer, then reactivate it, the thing stops fetching new results |
| 20:51:49 | raptor | huh |
| 20:52:03 | raptor | so it spawns a different process to fetch stuff |
| 20:52:10 | Watusimoto | it is possible that something just goes wrong with a http request, which locks everything, so I am hoping we just need better error handling... but I'm not sure |
| 20:52:18 | raptor | does that process still exist after unhibernating? |
| 20:52:41 | raptor | and are you talking about windows? |
| 20:52:43 | Watusimoto | let me check -- the icon is still in my system tray, and it still displays the results of pre-hiberantion |
| 20:52:44 | Watusimoto | yes |
| 20:53:00 | Watusimoto | so it's still alive in some sense |
| 20:53:18 | raptor | well, that's the GUI thread |
| 20:53:22 | bobdaduck | So I'm trying to fix my levelgen |
| 20:53:27 | raptor | the fetching thread is different |
| 20:53:53 | bobdaduck | its giving me "expected ) near =" type erros |
| 20:54:24 | raptor | is this the same problem that kaen and Watusimoto were diagnosing yesterday |
| 20:54:26 | raptor | ? |
| 20:54:37 | bobdaduck | Probably? |
| 20:54:46 | bobdaduck | The one that breaks resource spawns in feudalism |
| 20:55:21 | Watusimoto | raptor: oddly, I can't find the processin my process list... yet it must be running to present me the stale results |
| 20:55:32 | raptor | not necessarily |
| 20:55:39 | raptor | the thread fetchs, then updates the GUI thread |
| 20:56:00 | bobdaduck | Anyway, I need it to not try to remove the testitem if the testitem isn't there. |
| 20:56:16 | raptor | use a.. |
| 20:56:20 | raptor | umm |
| 20:56:28 | Watusimoto | ok, well we don;t need to fix it tonight -- it was more an observation we (or at least I) need to follow up on before release. |
| 20:56:34 | raptor | ok, where is the script? and I'll show you how to fix.. |
| 20:56:46 | Watusimoto | item = findItem(5_ |
| 20:56:52 | Watusimoto | if item == nil then return end |
| 20:56:55 | Watusimoto | something like that |
| 20:57:47 | bobdaduck | I already have that |
| 20:57:50 | bobdaduck | its giving errors |
| 20:58:03 | bobdaduck | ) expected near = |
| 20:58:19 | raptor | pastie the current script pleas |
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| 20:59:42 | bobdaduck | http://pastie.org/6323898 |
| 21:00:13 | raptor | and what is the complete error? |
| 21:01:08 | bobdaduck | spawners.levelgen:17: ')' expected near '!' |
| 21:01:17 | raptor | ah |
| 21:01:20 | raptor | use ~= |
| 21:01:23 | raptor | not != |
| 21:01:34 | raptor | Lua is special that way... |
| 21:01:36 | kaen | lua is such a broken language... |
| 21:01:45 | raptor | kaen! |
| 21:01:53 | raptor | is CTF really broken on your servers? |
| 21:01:56 | kaen | D: |
| 21:02:03 | kaen | It wasn't last I checked |
| 21:02:13 | kaen | I've played CTF on it before. |
| 21:02:25 | raptor | then what was wrong on that one map? |
| 21:02:36 | raptor | or were we on bobdaduck's server that time? |
| 21:02:40 | kaen | bob's |
| 21:02:46 | raptor | ah ok |
| 21:02:48 | kaen | the only time I ever saw it |
| 21:03:18 | kaen | kind of depressing that everything I own fits in the trunk of my crown vic :< |
| 21:03:25 | kaen | but convenient! |
| 21:05:38 | bobdaduck | arg, lua. |
| 21:05:46 | bobdaduck | It should be more like piet! |
| 21:06:31 | kaen | it should be more like other ECMAscripten |
| 21:06:31 | Watusimoto | kaen: travel light! |
| 21:07:20 | bobdaduck | Alright, broken levelgen fixed. |
| 21:07:24 | kaen | it should organize itself into the needed logical constructs based on my synaptic impulses! |
| 21:07:29 | Watusimoto | When I went to fosdem, I carried only a toothbrush in my jacket pocket (with toothpaste pre-applied) and a book that fit in another pocket. And a pencil. |
| 21:07:34 | kaen | now *that* would be a scripting language. |
| 21:07:43 | kaen | hehe |
| 21:07:51 | kaen | pre-applied toothpaste... interesting |
| 21:07:59 | bobdaduck | lol |
| 21:08:07 | kaen | oh, like those mini brushes with the drops within the bristles? |
| 21:08:12 | kaen | those things are super convenient |
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| 21:08:42 | Watusimoto | not sure what you mean, but it was a small one from an airline travel packet |
| 21:09:03 | SolumnMushroom | I bought Sonic CD for iOS |
| 21:09:07 | bobdaduck | nice |
| 21:09:12 | bobdaduck | Sonic CD is a good one |
| 21:09:15 | SolumnMushroom | And it is in HD |
| 21:09:49 | SolumnMushroom | And from the reviews, the Majin message is still there |
| 21:10:13 | bobdaduck | Okay kaen |
| 21:10:20 | bobdaduck | A couple level updates for your server. |
| 21:10:27 | bobdaduck | Should I send now or are you too busy? |
| 21:10:30 | kaen | I need to make you an interface for it bobdaduck |
| 21:10:33 | kaen | no, now is fine |
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| 21:12:12 | SolumnMushroom | I'm waiting on a few downloads |
| 21:12:43 | SolumnMushroom | Siri on my iPod, and the Sonic CD ROM from Firefox |
| 21:15:33 | SolumnMushroom | I want to see the code behind an awesome game and maybe find the creepy images |
| 21:19:36 | SolumnMushroom | ROM is done. Still waiting on Siri... |
| 21:23:03 | SolumnMushroom | Hmm... Very interesting |
| 21:23:17 | SolumnMushroom | Most of the files are .mmd |
| 21:24:39 | bobdaduck | Okay |
| 21:25:05 | bobdaduck | Could someone direct me to the file that contains objects in a level, specifically neutral ships? |
| 21:25:21 | kaen | most of those get their own file |
| 21:25:27 | kaen | but a lot are in moveobject.cpp |
| 21:25:39 | kaen | oh |
| 21:25:42 | kaen | you want ship.cpp |
| 21:25:43 | kaen | :P |
| 21:26:14 | kaen | must... refrain... from answering technical questions... |
| 21:26:17 | kaen | poorly... |
| 21:26:45 | raptor | got freeorion packaged for openSUSE! yay |
| 21:27:00 | raptor | bobdaduck: distraction curve |
| 21:27:30 | bobdaduck | I mean |
| 21:27:33 | bobdaduck | in the source code |
| 21:27:36 | raptor | source code? |
| 21:27:50 | bobdaduck | Where does it read stuff from the .level file and put it into the game? |
| 21:27:56 | kaen | oooh |
| 21:28:12 | raptor | http://bitfighter.org/~raptor/doxygen/current/class_zap_1_1_move_object.html |
| 21:28:17 | raptor | ok |
| 21:28:29 | bobdaduck | Okay nevermind |
| 21:28:45 | bobdaduck | To make a ship in a level, the code is Ship 0 x y |
| 21:28:46 | raptor | the parent object is BfObject |
| 21:28:50 | bobdaduck | What is the first 0 for? |
| 21:28:56 | raptor | team? |
| 21:29:05 | Watusimoto | team! |
| 21:33:28 | bobdaduck | Okay |
| 21:33:45 | bobdaduck | I can set that number to whatever I want and it makes no difference |
| 21:35:44 | raptor | for Ship? |
| 21:37:28 | raptor | We should totally fix up 'Space Cruisers' for a BBB... |
| 21:37:54 | bobdaduck | Yeah |
| 21:38:19 | bobdaduck | Ship -1000000 x y is the same as ship 0 x y or ship 2 x y |
| 21:38:36 | raptor | is in a level with 1 team? |
| 21:38:52 | raptor | so |
| 21:39:28 | raptor | because Ship is a phantom-ish object iit probably doesn't set the team correctly in the code |
| 21:40:17 | bobdaduck | With lots of teams still the same |
| 21:40:38 | raptor | well, it probably just discards the team altogether |
| 21:41:30 | raptor | look at the 'processArguments' methods in any game object |
| 21:42:00 | bobdaduck | okay |
| 21:42:59 | raptor | bobdaduck: you're logged on 6 times! |
| 21:43:38 | bobdaduck | lies |
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| 21:54:10 | Nothing_Much | Uh, quick question about the website: Is there a reason for the horizontal scroll line on the main page? |
| 21:55:12 | raptor | what? |
| 21:55:32 | raptor | that's... odd |
| 21:56:43 | bobdaduck | rofl |
| 21:56:48 | bobdaduck | I can spawn seekers via lua |
| 21:57:05 | raptor | DONT DO IT |
| 21:57:09 | raptor | DONT@@@!!! |
| 21:57:13 | bobdaduck | rofl |
| 21:57:14 | bobdaduck | check it out |
| 21:57:24 | raptor | pass? |
| 21:57:42 | raptor | also, was that really your sister who just beat me at bitmatch? |
| 21:57:54 | raptor | password to your server? |
| 21:59:34 | SolumnMushroom | My iPod died. :P |
| 21:59:47 | SolumnMushroom | I'll be right back. |
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| 22:06:29 | raptor | i got hit by a testitem right before you shut down... |
| 22:10:40 | Watusimoto | Nothing_Much: raptor got a linux build of bitfighter into desura... just waiting for approval |
| 22:11:56 | bobdaduck | Okay |
| 22:12:03 | bobdaduck | now the seekers are spawning with no momentum... |
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| 22:18:26 | Watusimoto | bitfighter compiles!!!! first time in a week!!!! |
| 22:18:36 | | raptor wonders what Watusimoto is up to... |
| 22:18:51 | Watusimoto | fixing the escape key issue I mentioned last night |
| 22:19:03 | raptor | i bet that required some crazy refactoring.. |
| 22:19:21 | Watusimoto | I could have used a quick hack instead of this fix |
| 22:19:31 | raptor | i was going to suggest we skip the chat during engineer bug for 018a.. |
| 22:19:50 | Watusimoto | compiles, but doesn;t work very well |
| 22:20:11 | Watusimoto | well, it's (was) 95% done |
| 22:25:20 | raptor | what projects am I working on again? |
| 22:25:41 | raptor | i've sort of taken a coding break after the Lua nonsense.. |
| 22:25:57 | raptor | oh, i need to get Fedora/Ubuntu builds up in the OBS |
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| 22:30:20 | bobdaduck | How does setVel() work? Can I just say "HORIZONTAL" and it will work? |
| 22:30:31 | raptor | it's a vector |
| 22:30:35 | raptor | so 100, 0 |
| 22:30:40 | raptor | is ---> |
| 22:30:46 | raptor | 500, 0 is ----------------------------> |
| 22:32:15 | raptor | so has this main page DIV always been this wide?: http://sam6.25u.com/upload/2snapshot26.png |
| 22:32:27 | bobdaduck | and would -500, 0 be left then, and 0, 500 be up? |
| 22:32:34 | raptor | yes |
| 22:32:36 | raptor | but |
| 22:32:40 | raptor | up might be reversed... |
| 22:32:45 | raptor | so -500 be up.. |
| 22:32:45 | bobdaduck | Okay |
| 22:32:47 | raptor | maybe |
| 22:32:49 | bobdaduck | Yeah I think it is |
| 22:32:52 | raptor | or maybe that's just for level coords |
| 22:32:54 | raptor | ok |
| 22:35:43 | Watusimoto | raptor: what in the world is that png showing |
| 22:35:57 | raptor | oh, uh 3D DOM view of the home page |
| 22:36:03 | raptor | it's built into firefox |
| 22:36:05 | Watusimoto | interesting! |
| 22:36:43 | Watusimoto | then answer to your question is probably yes! |
| 22:37:12 | raptor | that's odd, i've never noticed it before.. |
| 22:41:49 | Watusimoto | how would you have noticed it? |
| 22:42:21 | Watusimoto | I say probably because I don;t think anyone has edited the css for years |
| 22:43:40 | raptor | these are the CSS properties on it: margin: 143px auto 50px -358px; |
| 22:43:45 | raptor | that's bonkers! |
| 22:43:54 | raptor | and I don't want to diagnose this so I'm quitting |
| 22:44:24 | raptor | Fedora packages back up for bitfighter |
| 22:45:38 | Watusimoto | excellent! |
| 22:46:18 | Watusimoto | I vaguely remember creating that css, and as I recall there were other things interacting with it that encouraged me to give these weird margins |
| 22:46:45 | Watusimoto | wow, lots of players every time I check! |
| 22:46:48 | raptor | yeah because when setting the margins to zero, the page moves half way to the right |
| 22:46:53 | raptor | yeah it's great! |
| 22:47:11 | raptor | i need to make a map for the contest yet.. |
| 22:47:30 | Watusimoto | lamp has played 161 games this week! |
| 22:48:01 | raptor | oh wow |
| 22:48:13 | Watusimoto | raptor in for the win... 2nd in official wins this week |
| 22:48:35 | Watusimoto | perhaps you sell your skill short |
| 22:50:13 | raptor | yay! |
| 22:50:24 | bobdaduck | Raptor's good at objectives |
| 22:50:27 | raptor | nahh... i just know how to join the right teams :) |
| 22:50:28 | bobdaduck | And tactics |
| 22:50:30 | raptor | yes that ^^ |
| 22:50:36 | raptor | i don't actually score much |
| 22:50:38 | bobdaduck | He just has a hard time dogfighting usually |
| 22:50:48 | raptor | but i play to upset the other team in any way possible |
| 22:51:03 | raptor | that's why people had playing board games with me |
| 22:51:06 | raptor | *hate |
| 22:51:14 | bobdaduck | lol |
| 22:51:22 | raptor | because i don't play to win |
| 22:51:36 | raptor | also, bobdaduck, your sister beat me at bitmatch.. |
| 22:51:41 | bobdaduck | lol |
| 22:51:44 | raptor | today |
| 22:51:48 | raptor | are you sure it wasn't you? |
| 22:52:10 | bobdaduck | lol |
| 22:52:15 | bobdaduck | Yeah she's on the computer next to me |
| 22:52:36 | raptor | heh |
| 22:52:53 | raptor | well, she's beaten the learning curve already.. |
| 22:54:16 | bobdaduck | THE BLOODY |
| 22:54:23 | bobdaduck | I can spawn cores via levelgen. |
| 22:54:36 | raptor | DONT DO IT |
| 22:54:42 | bobdaduck | rofl |
| 23:00:58 | bobdaduck | I wanna spawn circles |
| 23:01:10 | raptor | that's OK, you can want |
| 23:01:12 | bobdaduck | but it'll just crash xD |
| 23:01:15 | bobdaduck | lol |
| 23:01:17 | raptor | excellent! |
| 23:01:19 | bobdaduck | RELEASE CIRCLES. |
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| 23:03:03 | raptor | in case anyone wants to know: Kool-aid + vinegar will let you have *any* color dye you want |
| 23:03:11 | bobdaduck | rofl |
| 23:03:30 | bobdaduck | How do I specify how large an asteroid is that spawns via levelgen? |
| 23:04:01 | raptor | huh |
| 23:04:04 | raptor | i guess you can't |
| 23:04:14 | raptor | we have a getter, but not a setter |
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| 23:05:03 | raptor | looking... |
| 23:05:22 | raptor | anyways, I don't think Watusimoto wanted the asteroid size feature anyways.. |
| 23:05:41 | raptor | redundancy department of rendundancy |
| 23:05:54 | Watusimoto | I never said I didn't... but I don't |
| 23:06:01 | Watusimoto | now I've said it |
| 23:06:16 | Watusimoto | they are what they are |
| 23:09:47 | bobdaduck | Can we add that? |
| 23:10:25 | raptor | add the removal of the size option? ok |
| 23:12:27 | bobdaduck | lol |
| 23:12:35 | bobdaduck | No add the size option in to levelgen |
| 23:12:37 | bobdaduck | lua |
| 23:14:07 | Nothing_Much | watusimoto, that's awesome |
| 23:14:18 | Watusimoto | yes! |
| 23:14:27 | Nothing_Much | glad it got accepted on Desura anyways :D |
| 23:14:42 | Nothing_Much | oh and yeah, the home page has that horizontal line for some reason |
| 23:14:50 | Nothing_Much | happens on both chromium and firefox |
| 23:15:15 | Watusimoto | so far despite the difficulties we had, and the work we had to do, we've got a lot of new people playing |
| 23:15:20 | Watusimoto | what horizontal line? |
| 23:15:29 | Nothing_Much | the scroll bar |
| 23:15:30 | raptor | he means the wide div |
| 23:15:38 | Nothing_Much | that thing |
| 23:15:51 | Nothing_Much | I'm a middle clicker when it comes to web browsing :P |
| 23:16:23 | Nothing_Much | the other web pages on bitfighter.org are fine |
| 23:16:32 | Nothing_Much | it's just the home page itself (bitfighter.org) |
| 23:16:58 | Watusimoto | the wide div is not visible though |
| 23:17:36 | Watusimoto | I see no scrollbar on chromium |
| 23:17:52 | Nothing_Much | oh, that's strange |
| 23:18:40 | Nothing_Much | though, I'm not on a widescreen monitor, I've got a standard fullscreen 1280x1024 |
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| 23:29:13 | Watusimoto | I'm on a laptop, so not much big monitor action here |
| 23:29:26 | Watusimoto | where is it? |
| 23:29:29 | Watusimoto | at the bottom? |
| 23:29:42 | | raptor can't wait to see what surprises Watusimoto has in store with his next checkin.. |
| 23:29:59 | Nothing_Much | yeah it's at the bottom |
| 23:30:02 | Watusimoto | oh wait... there IS a scrollbar! |
| 23:30:10 | Nothing_Much | yes! |
| 23:30:12 | Watusimoto | I never noticed that before |
| 23:31:24 | Nothing_Much | haha, well I just noticed it recently |
| 23:33:09 | raptor | forgive me, i have sinned - i'm working on another project: freeorion |
| 23:35:28 | bobdaduck | NO RAPTOR |
| 23:35:29 | bobdaduck | NOOOO |
| 23:36:04 | raptor | i know i know |
| 23:36:25 | Nothing_Much | variety can help motivate for some other features for the main project here |
| 23:37:32 | Little_Apple | turn based space empire game... |
| 23:37:40 | Nothing_Much | eh |
| 23:37:48 | Nothing_Much | turn based is.. eh |
| 23:38:11 | raptor | oh hi Little_Apple |
| 23:38:17 | Little_Apple | hello there |
| 23:38:18 | raptor | when did you come in? |
| 23:38:23 | Little_Apple | a while ago :P |
| 23:38:33 | Little_Apple | im a ninjaaaa |
| 23:38:40 | bobdaduck | So |
| 23:38:49 | bobdaduck | I may have just created the best level ever |
| 23:38:52 | bobdaduck | or the worst level |
| 23:38:56 | bobdaduck | And its kind of hard to tell? |
| 23:38:57 | Little_Apple | the one with all the levelgens? |
| 23:39:05 | bobdaduck | NO |
| 23:39:08 | bobdaduck | of course not! |
| 23:39:08 | Little_Apple | aww |
| 23:39:12 | bobdaduck | That's not a level that's a lab! |
| 23:39:13 | Little_Apple | but lamp liked it... |
| 23:39:22 | bobdaduck | Lamp also likes DUNGEONS. |
| 23:39:27 | Little_Apple | that would be a great level for a bbb |
| 23:39:50 | | Little_Apple is not here at the moment |
| 23:40:20 | bobdaduck | Its probably the worst level ever |
| 23:40:30 | bobdaduck | Because I can't specify asteroid size |
| 23:40:40 | Nothing_Much | oh dear |
| 23:40:56 | Nothing_Much | astroids are, no matter how big, kill in one shot right? |
| 23:41:06 | Nothing_Much | strike the "are" |
| 23:41:08 | bobdaduck | right |
| 23:41:24 | Nothing_Much | lol, unless you have a shield, but what about armor? |
| 23:41:32 | bobdaduck | If armor two shots |
| 23:41:37 | Nothing_Much | oh my |
| 23:43:42 | Nothing_Much | wow, that's a lot of players |
| 23:43:45 | Nothing_Much | on the home page |
| 23:44:37 | Nothing_Much | say raptor, I thought you were gonna hold off on the linux version for a while until some bugs were fixed |
| 23:44:47 | Nothing_Much | *linux version for desura |
| 23:44:56 | raptor | mee too |
| 23:45:19 | raptor | but i have chosen to shirk all other responsibilities and get it done... |
| 23:45:57 | bobdaduck | Okay |
| 23:45:58 | Nothing_Much | was it because of the spike from desura? |
| 23:46:03 | raptor | yes |
| 23:46:06 | bobdaduck | I need a volunteer to test this ridiculous map with me |
| 23:46:18 | raptor | me! |
| 23:46:20 | Nothing_Much | that's nice :D |
| 23:46:21 | bobdaduck | okay |
| 23:46:28 | bobdaduck | Password Raptor |
| 23:55:36 | bobdaduck | Watusimoto come see this |
| 23:55:52 | Watusimoto | see what? |
| 23:56:01 | raptor | join the 'Duck pond' server |
| 23:56:08 | bobdaduck | password Raptor |
| 23:57:16 | Nothing_Much | case sensitive? |
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