#bitfighter IRC Log

IRC Log for 2013-07-24

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00:29:30 BFLogBot Commit: 7febfbb98ff5 | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Lua API: Start the merging of global game-related functions (like levelgen:findObjectById and bot:findObjectById) - Create a global object to contain these functions, called 'bf' - Add deprecation warning - Some other minor Lua-related clean-up
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08:06:37 raptor good day!
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08:46:16 raptor watusimoto: does the 'bf' object still make sense to you for the Lua API game-specific functions (like addItem(), etc.)?
09:00:47 watusimoto hi
09:00:55 watusimoto man, I was up early this morning
09:01:05 watusimoto but there's not much traffic at 4:45 AM!
09:01:07 raptor i saw!
09:01:31 watusimoto so... bf:addItem() ?
09:01:47 raptor yeah, I finally started the 'bf' object
09:01:49 watusimoto is that function available to robots?
09:01:54 watusimoto probably not...
09:01:59 raptor it will be
09:02:08 watusimoto brb
09:02:10 raptor anything in the 'bf' object is from LuaScriptRunner
09:02:12 raptor k
09:30:02 watusimoto sorry, panic here at work -- demo for tomorrow just broke somehow
09:30:55 watusimoto I think bf:addItem() is better than bot:addItem(), but levelgen:addItem() is better yet... hence a logical inconsistency
09:31:21 raptor no problem, put out your fire
09:31:43 raptor the idea is that addItem is now more 'global', and does 'bf' fit that OK
09:32:13 watusimoto I can live with bf:addItem()
09:32:28 watusimoto and since it will be available all over the place, it's really the only logical answer
09:35:52 raptor I added a deprecation warning to 'levelgen' in the helper scripts
09:35:57 raptor do you think that is ok?
09:43:04 raptor maybe it should be handled seamlessly like subscript -> levelgen:subscribe
09:43:10 raptor *subscribe
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10:45:25 bobdaduck Request:
10:45:54 bobdaduck When using text in game, (like a textitem), have exclamation points have little triangle bitfighter ships for the dot.
10:49:23 bobdaduck Like when girls write ! they dot it with little hearts
10:49:29 bobdaduck we should do that, but with bitfighter ships.
10:50:35 Skybax Wow
10:50:42 raptor that was a good game!
10:50:46 raptor (on a bad map)
10:50:50 raptor but fun!
10:51:01 Skybax That was so close. If I had like 5 more seconds it woulda been a tie
10:55:12 raptor heh - it was like that for the last 3 min.!
10:55:20 BFLogBot The purpose of writing is to inflate weak ideas, obscure pure reasoning, and inhibit clarity. With a little practice, writing can be an intimidating and impenetrable fog! -- Calvin 
10:56:09 bobdaduck Thanks, logbot!
10:59:22 Skybax But I seriously made the tie-score 3 seconds after the game ended xD
10:59:27 Skybax Touchdown and stuff
11:00:14 raptor hah!
11:00:31 raptor i was trying desperately to hold onto one flag to prevent that...  but died at the end
11:00:58 Skybax prog or whoever was on my team needs to do less defending and more attacking
11:03:12 raptor ha!
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11:08:22 bobdaduck raptor I still use your textNearShip function like all the time xD
11:08:40 raptor i remember writing that...
11:09:15 bobdaduck For my sands of time level
11:09:16 bobdaduck forever ago
11:09:19 Skybax Wow. I just found a game that runs off X11
11:10:02 Skybax I don't understand how to get it to work tho xD
11:10:20 raptor ?
11:10:28 Skybax http://www.mangband.org/Main/Download
11:10:41 raptor almost any game with a GUI requires X11 (Linux window system)
11:11:15 Skybax I'm running it on a Mac
11:11:21 raptor ohhhh
11:11:22 raptor haha
11:11:24 raptor ok
11:11:32 Skybax I have a program called X11
11:11:38 raptor you can install X11 from the install discs
11:11:41 raptor i think..
11:11:43 Skybax I haz it
11:11:46 raptor ah k
11:12:05 Skybax But it just opens up a window with text on it that asks me to choose a server and I can't type anything xD
11:13:15 Skybax I figured out how to type
11:17:52 Skybax Cool, an ASCII based game
11:18:00 Skybax I am an @ lol
11:18:42 bobdaduck Like nethack?
11:18:50 Skybax Yeah. Except multiplayer
11:19:20 Skybax But basically the same. There's a town at the top and then dungeons down below
11:20:12 bobdaduck sounds fun
11:20:19 Skybax Yesh. You should play it with me
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11:35:21 bobdaduck like when I get home or something.
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13:16:27 Skybax raptor, you always mention levels I've made, do you actually like them? Haha cause they don't seem very popular x)
13:29:38 bobdaduck What levels ARE popular?
13:29:46 bobdaduck !airlock
13:29:46 BFLogBot the bestest level EVAR!!1
13:29:54 Skybax Hahaha xD
13:30:58 bobdaduck Your levels are annoying to play.  Like, there's a lot in the way when you try to do anything.  Like twelve speedzones in a circle around the enemy flag and stuff.
13:31:14 bobdaduck (I don't think you've done that but still)
13:32:02 Skybax Hahaha
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13:32:08 Skybax Well I try to make them challenging xD
13:32:46 bobdaduck Yeah but like
13:32:53 bobdaduck Its not the right kind of challenge
13:33:05 bobdaduck levels that should be you vs opponent are more like you vs environment
13:33:12 bobdaduck it makes the normal levels feel like dungeons
13:33:18 Skybax Every level is masterfully designed to make you go a little bit more insane every time you play it
13:34:11 bobdaduck Yes, its impressive.
13:34:39 Skybax Muahaha
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15:48:25 raptor Watusimoto: levelgen:addItem has an extra piece where it tries to convert everything on the stack as parameters for processLevelLoadLine()
15:48:29 raptor do we still need that?
15:51:01 Watusimoto hey there
15:51:16 Watusimoto work crisis was lengthy and painful
15:51:25 Watusimoto so
15:51:45 raptor blech
15:51:47 Watusimoto probably not
15:51:58 raptor okey doke
15:52:17 Watusimoto processLevelLoadLine is deprecated, unless you can think of a reason why it's good
15:52:48 raptor nope!
15:52:55 Watusimoto it was an early attempt to get things rolling without writing tons of constructors
15:53:03 Watusimoto ok, chuk it
15:53:25 raptor yes - it was good for a bit.  I think _k had created the first levelgens with it..
15:53:54 Watusimoto and mazeracer used it
15:55:06 raptor I
15:55:10 raptor 'll convert it
15:55:16 raptor (if it hasn't been done already)
16:05:11 Watusimoto i'm not sure if it ever got done.  it isn't a great level anyway, but it did show that the levelgens worked!
16:06:00 raptor hmmm...  it uses 'addwall'
16:06:25 raptor why don't i remember that method..
16:09:24 raptor this is going to be messy with levelgen's in the editor...
16:11:57 Skybax :D
16:12:41 Watusimoto addwall was a shortcut for ... adding walls
16:12:47 Watusimoto I can rewrite it if you like
16:15:04 raptor no no
16:15:20 raptor I mean, messy because some things require a grid database
16:19:08 Watusimoto yuck
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16:24:24 raptor oh my goodness it compiled!
16:29:25 Watusimoto awesome!
16:39:35 raptor i'm still debating whether or not I should add a deprecation warning for levelgen:addItem and friends
16:39:58 raptor or just silently pass it on to bf:addItem and friends...
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16:49:14 Watusimoto pass it on if that's easy
16:49:50 Watusimoto everyone ignores deprecation warnings anyway... especially in old scripts that still mostly work\
16:55:24 raptor easy
16:55:27 raptor ok
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17:21:43 Watusimoto ok, finally I get to do a checkin
17:21:49 Watusimoto now for bed
17:21:55 Watusimoto it's been a looong hard day
17:21:58 Watusimoto good night!
17:22:01 raptor night!
17:22:06 Watusimoto dang!  need to merge
17:22:08 Watusimoto hold on
17:22:37 Watusimoto whew
17:22:38 Watusimoto done
17:22:42 Watusimoto pushed
17:22:42 BFLogBot Commit: 7513a221e821 | Author: watusimoto  | Message: Implement an almost working slide transition to replace the fade transition on inline-help items.  Fade did not work well when multiple items were simulatneiously displayed.  There are still a couple of glitches to work out, but it is pretty much there.
17:22:44 BFLogBot Commit: 93514817f08b | Author: watusimoto  | Message: Merge
17:22:44 Watusimoto good night
17:22:49 raptor night
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18:05:09 BFLogBot Commit: f8ba9d5a9740 | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Lua API: all calls to levelgen:addItem and plugin:addItem are moved to bf:addItem.  Does this mean you can add objects with bots?  Yes.  Yes it does
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23:02:50 BFLogBot Oops, I always forget the purpose of competition is to divide people into winners and losers. -- Hobbes being sarcastic 
23:12:03 BFLogBot Commit: 822b66531ce6 | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Remove unused or already-implemented levelgen methods
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23:46:44 amgine1234567890 hello
23:47:03 amgine1234567890 quick question how do you make it so pc mesages also show up as pms ( for my irc)
23:47:18 raptor hi amgine1234567890
23:47:35 amgine1234567890 also are there any versions to test btw
23:47:51 raptor no versions...  sorry
23:47:57 raptor pc messages?
23:48:01 raptor i'm not sure what you mean
23:48:45 amgine1234567890 for example when you tell me a pc message it shows up and red pm on my screen if im not on the pc screen
23:49:44 raptor hmmm...  i'm not sure - that must be WIndows behavior
23:50:57 amgine1234567890 is it specific with this irc?
23:51:31 amgine1234567890 also on my irc bans or forever automaticly how do you pick a lentgh or does it automaticly increase each time
23:51:40 amgine1234567890 as i havent banned yet
23:51:47 raptor I don't know
23:52:07 raptor i use 'konversation' to connect to IRC, your program is probably very different
23:52:39 amgine1234567890 here try this try to ban me is it automatic or does it let you pick a length
23:52:54 raptor oh..  in channel
23:52:55 raptor uh
23:53:03 raptor in channel you stay forever banned, i think
23:53:18 raptor until I remove you from the ban list
23:53:35 amgine1234567890 hmm
23:53:41 raptor but a 'kick' lets you come immediately
23:56:09 amgine1234567890 is it possible to create a bnan bot that records bans
23:56:27 raptor bans in IRC?

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08:06:37	raptor	good day!
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08:46:16	raptor	watusimoto: does the 'bf' object still make sense to you for the Lua API game-specific functions (like addItem(), etc.)?
09:00:47	watusimoto	hi
09:00:55	watusimoto	man, I was up early this morning
09:01:05	watusimoto	but there's not much traffic at 4:45 AM!
09:01:07	raptor	i saw!
09:01:31	watusimoto	so... bf:addItem() ?
09:01:47	raptor	yeah, I finally started the 'bf' object
09:01:49	watusimoto	is that function available to robots?
09:01:54	watusimoto	probably not...
09:01:59	raptor	it will be
09:02:08	watusimoto	brb
09:02:10	raptor	anything in the 'bf' object is from LuaScriptRunner
09:02:12	raptor	k
09:30:02	watusimoto	sorry, panic here at work -- demo for tomorrow just broke somehow
09:30:55	watusimoto	I think bf:addItem() is better than bot:addItem(), but levelgen:addItem() is better yet... hence a logical inconsistency
09:31:21	raptor	no problem, put out your fire
09:31:43	raptor	the idea is that addItem is now more 'global', and does 'bf' fit that OK
09:32:13	watusimoto	I can live with bf:addItem()
09:32:28	watusimoto	and since it will be available all over the place, it's really the only logical answer
09:35:52	raptor	I added a deprecation warning to 'levelgen' in the helper scripts
09:35:57	raptor	do you think that is ok?
09:43:04	raptor	maybe it should be handled seamlessly like subscript -> levelgen:subscribe
09:43:10	raptor	*subscribe
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10:45:25	bobdaduck	Request:
10:45:54	bobdaduck	When using text in game, (like a textitem), have exclamation points have little triangle bitfighter ships for the dot.
10:49:23	bobdaduck	Like when girls write ! they dot it with little hearts
10:49:29	bobdaduck	we should do that, but with bitfighter ships.
10:50:35	Skybax	Wow
10:50:42	raptor	that was a good game!
10:50:46	raptor	(on a bad map)
10:50:50	raptor	but fun!
10:51:01	Skybax	That was so close. If I had like 5 more seconds it woulda been a tie
10:55:12	raptor	heh - it was like that for the last 3 min.!
10:55:20	BFLogBot	The purpose of writing is to inflate weak ideas, obscure pure reasoning, and inhibit clarity. With a little practice, writing can be an intimidating and impenetrable fog! -- Calvin
10:56:09	bobdaduck	Thanks, logbot!
10:59:22	Skybax	But I seriously made the tie-score 3 seconds after the game ended xD
10:59:27	Skybax	Touchdown and stuff
11:00:14	raptor	hah!
11:00:31	raptor	i was trying desperately to hold onto one flag to prevent that... but died at the end
11:00:58	Skybax	prog or whoever was on my team needs to do less defending and more attacking
11:03:12	raptor	ha!
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11:08:22	bobdaduck	raptor I still use your textNearShip function like all the time xD
11:08:40	raptor	i remember writing that...
11:09:15	bobdaduck	For my sands of time level
11:09:16	bobdaduck	forever ago
11:09:19	Skybax	Wow. I just found a game that runs off X11
11:10:02	Skybax	I don't understand how to get it to work tho xD
11:10:20	raptor	?
11:10:28	Skybax	http://www.mangband.org/Main/Download
11:10:41	raptor	almost any game with a GUI requires X11 (Linux window system)
11:11:15	Skybax	I'm running it on a Mac
11:11:21	raptor	ohhhh
11:11:22	raptor	haha
11:11:24	raptor	ok
11:11:32	Skybax	I have a program called X11
11:11:38	raptor	you can install X11 from the install discs
11:11:41	raptor	i think..
11:11:43	Skybax	I haz it
11:11:46	raptor	ah k
11:12:05	Skybax	But it just opens up a window with text on it that asks me to choose a server and I can't type anything xD
11:13:15	Skybax	I figured out how to type
11:17:52	Skybax	Cool, an ASCII based game
11:18:00	Skybax	I am an @ lol
11:18:42	bobdaduck	Like nethack?
11:18:50	Skybax	Yeah. Except multiplayer
11:19:20	Skybax	But basically the same. There's a town at the top and then dungeons down below
11:20:12	bobdaduck	sounds fun
11:20:19	Skybax	Yesh. You should play it with me
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11:35:16	bobdaduck	later maybe
11:35:21	bobdaduck	like when I get home or something.
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13:16:27	Skybax	raptor, you always mention levels I've made, do you actually like them? Haha cause they don't seem very popular x)
13:29:38	bobdaduck	What levels ARE popular?
13:29:46	bobdaduck	!airlock
13:29:46	BFLogBot	the bestest level EVAR!!1
13:29:54	Skybax	Hahaha xD
13:30:58	bobdaduck	Your levels are annoying to play. Like, there's a lot in the way when you try to do anything. Like twelve speedzones in a circle around the enemy flag and stuff.
13:31:14	bobdaduck	(I don't think you've done that but still)
13:32:02	Skybax	Hahaha
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13:32:08	Skybax	Well I try to make them challenging xD
13:32:46	bobdaduck	Yeah but like
13:32:53	bobdaduck	Its not the right kind of challenge
13:33:05	bobdaduck	levels that should be you vs opponent are more like you vs environment
13:33:12	bobdaduck	it makes the normal levels feel like dungeons
13:33:18	Skybax	Every level is masterfully designed to make you go a little bit more insane every time you play it
13:34:11	bobdaduck	Yes, its impressive.
13:34:39	Skybax	Muahaha
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15:48:25	raptor	Watusimoto: levelgen:addItem has an extra piece where it tries to convert everything on the stack as parameters for processLevelLoadLine()
15:48:29	raptor	do we still need that?
15:51:01	Watusimoto	hey there
15:51:16	Watusimoto	work crisis was lengthy and painful
15:51:25	Watusimoto	so
15:51:45	raptor	blech
15:51:47	Watusimoto	probably not
15:51:58	raptor	okey doke
15:52:17	Watusimoto	processLevelLoadLine is deprecated, unless you can think of a reason why it's good
15:52:48	raptor	nope!
15:52:55	Watusimoto	it was an early attempt to get things rolling without writing tons of constructors
15:53:03	Watusimoto	ok, chuk it
15:53:25	raptor	yes - it was good for a bit. I think _k had created the first levelgens with it..
15:53:54	Watusimoto	and mazeracer used it
15:55:06	raptor	I
15:55:10	raptor	'll convert it
15:55:16	raptor	(if it hasn't been done already)
16:05:11	Watusimoto	i'm not sure if it ever got done. it isn't a great level anyway, but it did show that the levelgens worked!
16:06:00	raptor	hmmm... it uses 'addwall'
16:06:25	raptor	why don't i remember that method..
16:09:24	raptor	this is going to be messy with levelgen's in the editor...
16:11:57	Skybax	:D
16:12:41	Watusimoto	addwall was a shortcut for ... adding walls
16:12:47	Watusimoto	I can rewrite it if you like
16:15:04	raptor	no no
16:15:20	raptor	I mean, messy because some things require a grid database
16:19:08	Watusimoto	yuck
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16:24:24	raptor	oh my goodness it compiled!
16:29:25	Watusimoto	awesome!
16:39:35	raptor	i'm still debating whether or not I should add a deprecation warning for levelgen:addItem and friends
16:39:58	raptor	or just silently pass it on to bf:addItem and friends...
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16:49:14	Watusimoto	pass it on if that's easy
16:49:50	Watusimoto	everyone ignores deprecation warnings anyway... especially in old scripts that still mostly work\
16:55:24	raptor	easy
16:55:27	raptor	ok
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17:21:43	Watusimoto	ok, finally I get to do a checkin
17:21:49	Watusimoto	now for bed
17:21:55	Watusimoto	it's been a looong hard day
17:21:58	Watusimoto	good night!
17:22:01	raptor	night!
17:22:06	Watusimoto	dang! need to merge
17:22:08	Watusimoto	hold on
17:22:37	Watusimoto	whew
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23:46:44	amgine1234567890	hello
23:47:03	amgine1234567890	quick question how do you make it so pc mesages also show up as pms ( for my irc)
23:47:18	raptor	hi amgine1234567890
23:47:35	amgine1234567890	also are there any versions to test btw
23:47:51	raptor	no versions... sorry
23:47:57	raptor	pc messages?
23:48:01	raptor	i'm not sure what you mean
23:48:45	amgine1234567890	for example when you tell me a pc message it shows up and red pm on my screen if im not on the pc screen
23:49:44	raptor	hmmm... i'm not sure - that must be WIndows behavior
23:50:57	amgine1234567890	is it specific with this irc?
23:51:31	amgine1234567890	also on my irc bans or forever automaticly how do you pick a lentgh or does it automaticly increase each time
23:51:40	amgine1234567890	as i havent banned yet
23:51:47	raptor	I don't know
23:52:07	raptor	i use 'konversation' to connect to IRC, your program is probably very different
23:52:39	amgine1234567890	here try this try to ban me is it automatic or does it let you pick a length
23:52:54	raptor	oh.. in channel
23:52:55	raptor	uh
23:53:03	raptor	in channel you stay forever banned, i think
23:53:18	raptor	until I remove you from the ban list
23:53:35	amgine1234567890	hmm
23:53:41	raptor	but a 'kick' lets you come immediately
23:56:09	amgine1234567890	is it possible to create a bnan bot that records bans
23:56:27	raptor	bans in IRC?