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IRC Log for 2013-08-15

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10:20:30bobdaduckHELP


10:26:20kaen grabs a life preserver


10:26:47kaenbobdaduck, what up, G?


10:26:55bobdaduckHOW DO WE KNOW AIR IS AROUND US


10:27:04kaenbecause you are not dead


10:27:21kaensimple experiment: hold your breath until you pass out


10:27:37kaenwhen you finally pass out, your body will begin breathing automatically


10:27:46kaenthis demonstrates that: 1. you need oxygen to live


10:27:56kaen2. there is oxygen present in your immediate environment.


10:28:10bobdaduckhttp://assets.amuniversal.com/9f20ad36250a102d94d7001438c0f03b


10:28:10kaentherefore, air is around us


10:28:12kaenQED


10:28:34bobdaduckBUT


10:28:37bobdaduckI CAN'T FEEL IT


10:28:45bobdaduckAND


10:28:47kaenyour lungs can.


10:29:04bobdaduckI think my lungs just generate oxygen on their own


10:29:09kaennot sure if you've ever tried to take a breath in a vacuum, but it's quite a different sensation.


10:29:12bobdaduckI wouldn't be surprised


10:29:52bobdaduckI mean my body makes like little anti-germ warriors and crap, right?  Why not oxygen too?


10:30:22kaenalso, water boils at room temperature in a vacuum, so if you pour a glass of water and it doesn't boil, you can be sure that you're in an atmosphere


10:31:02bobdaduckBUT I CAN'T SEE THE AIR


10:31:30kaenit's that blue stuff


10:31:38kaensome times you can see it if you go "outside"


10:31:49kaenbut only during the "day"


10:32:00kaenboth being foreign concepts to me, I can only make educated guesses.


10:32:07bobdaducklol


10:32:20bobdaduckmade my morning, thanks


10:32:25kaen\:D


10:34:07bobdaduckAt my work I'm doing stuff for our kindergarten things


10:34:11bobdaduck"what is air?"


10:34:16bobdaduck"can you see air?"


10:34:36bobdaduck"We need air."


10:35:07bobdaduckQuality learning, right there.


10:35:17bobdaduckIf high school was like that, I wouldn't have been nearly so bored.


10:38:03kaenhere's a good demonstration of how strong ambient air pressure is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsoE4F2Pb20


10:38:20kaenthey boil the drum to reduce the air inside of it


10:38:56kaenthe ambient air pressure on the outside of the drum easily crushes it when the air inside of it is cooled (via water) to compress it


10:39:50kaencirca 2:20


10:40:59kaenyou can do the same at home with tongs, a pop can, a stove, and a bowl of water


10:41:42bobdaducklol


10:42:10kaenphysics hacks.


10:42:17bobdaduckgood to know


10:45:44bobdaduckso I fill a pop can with water


10:45:50bobdaduckstick it on a stove


10:45:54bobdaduckthen throw it in some ice


10:45:57bobdaduckand it implodes?


10:47:28kaennot ice


10:47:29bobdaduckbrb meeting


10:47:32kaenok


10:48:12kaenhttp://www.stevespanglerscience.com/lab/experiments/incredible-can-crusher


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11:24:11kaenwhy are wordpress themes so terrible ...


11:26:23raptorhi


11:26:32kaenmorning :)


11:26:33raptoryou mean default ones?


11:26:43kaenI've been looking through a lot of themes


11:27:12kaenmost of them claiming to be "customizable" have a similarly clumsy configuration interface


11:27:36kaenwhich I really wouldn't care about, but (in the case of suffusion) the interface values override the custom includes


11:27:55kaenI just spent like an hour and a half trying to get the border for our navlinks consistent


11:28:38raptorugh


11:28:57kaenI'm not positive I even got all the cases...


11:29:03kaenthe worst part


11:29:15kaenis that the interface is an obvious mapping of form elements -> css properties


11:29:22kaenso it's like typing the css


11:29:24kaenwith mouse clicks


11:29:29raptorhaha


11:29:40raptorthat's tedious...


11:30:02kaento change the color of the border


11:30:11kaenI have to set it for the top, bottom, right, and left


11:30:12kaeneverytime


11:30:23kaenheaven help you if you want that color to change when it's hovered


11:30:54kaenand then not change depending on whether it's been visited


11:30:54kaenAND


11:31:00kaenthe css is applied to goofy markup


11:31:06kaenwhich I kind of have to guess or decipher


11:31:23kaenI don't have a better solution, but styling this kind of sucks.


11:32:03raptorblech


11:32:21raptorit's a case of simplifying the user into madness


11:32:29raptorbut not really simplifying..


11:33:10kaenthey tried to balance between accessibility and power


11:33:16kaenand imo achieved neither


11:33:35raptorblah


11:33:39kaenanyway


11:33:40raptorOR


11:33:49raptoryou can go here on the server:  /var/www/bitpress/wp-content/themes/suffusion


11:34:04kaenI'm going a step further


11:34:15kaenI'm going to make a child theme for it and


11:34:36raptorhackey hack hack


11:34:48kaenoops bad enter


11:34:59kaenbut yes,


11:37:13kaenBFBuildBot, lua local s = "" ; for i = 1, 3 do s = s .. "hack" ; if i == 1 then s = s .. "ey" end ; s = s .. " " ; end print(s)


11:37:14BFBuildBotkaen, hackey hack hack


11:37:45raptorhaha


11:39:14raptorBFLogBot


11:39:14BFLogBotBut the important thing is persistence. -- Calvin trying to juggle eggs 


11:40:23kaenthat's a pretty good fortune file


11:40:27kaenmine has a lot of Twain


11:40:46kaenand most of "Poor Tom's Almanac"


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11:42:40Little_Appleraptor: did someone mess with the forums?


11:42:50raptorhow so?


11:43:16Little_Applejust in general


11:43:21Little_Applegeneral messing with


11:43:22raptorI don't think so...


11:43:30raptorthey look fine to me..  are they broken?


11:43:41Little_Appleim not sure...


11:43:48Little_Appleits fine for me


11:44:14raptorso if it's not broke with you, and it's not broke with me...   then I don't understand what we're talking about


11:44:24Little_Apple:D


11:44:49Little_Applefootloose says something is wrong with them and thinks you guys messed with something


11:45:03raptorshe'll have to say exactly what before we can look into it...


11:45:28kaen commences thought divination ritual


11:45:30Little_Apple"ASK HIM WHY THERE ARE A BILLION STARS"


11:45:35kaenhehe


11:45:38raptorhehe


11:45:42kaenhow on earth


11:45:48kaenI would literally have never ever noticed


11:46:00raptori think she needs to do more manual labor


11:46:24raptorok, not as badly as that ttttttt  guy yesterday


11:46:32raptoranyways, yes


11:46:37kaenI think we should set that background to "fixed"


11:46:41kaenlike real stars


11:46:41raptorI adjusted the stars to be just like in-game


11:46:46kaenlike real inner-space stars.


11:46:50kaenmade of pixels.


11:46:53raptorooo good idea


11:47:02kaenI'll do it for pleiades too


11:47:09Little_Applethis is all i can think of... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oALxLNOhI6I


11:47:11raptoryou'll do it for the forums?


11:47:12kaenthe wordpress theme does that and I think it's a good effect.


11:47:17raptoryeah, me too...


11:47:19kaensure


11:47:22raptorok, thanks


11:47:29kaenyou bet :)


11:48:35Little_Appleseeing if she can send a screencap


11:49:42raptorI actually read those books


11:50:17raptor2001, 2051?, 3001


11:50:20Little_Applemy sister has dave's autograph...


11:51:10raptor2010, 2061


11:51:16raptormaybe i didn't read 3001...


11:51:22Little_Applenumbers!


11:54:22Little_Appleis BFLogBot really HAL?


11:54:22BFLogBotCalvin: I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius. Hobbes: What's misunderstood about you? Calvin: Nobody thinks I'm a genius. 


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13:16:05kaenohohohoho


13:16:06kaenhohooh


13:16:09kaenhohooho


13:16:09kaenhoooeee


13:16:23kaensuffusion overrides its child themes


13:16:32kaento implement its own child theme "enhancing" logic


13:17:56kaendisabled that logic. lost all of the theme's structure.


13:29:40Little_Applehoooeee?


13:30:55kaenhoo-ee


13:32:09Little_Apple"Hoo Hoo is used in placenames in the east of England to indicate coastal peninsulas and promontories."


13:35:31raptorso kaen


13:35:51raptori'm thinking you want to just ditch suffusion and do custom?


13:36:21raptor(can't tell if you're fed up or happy..)


13:37:09raptorI foudn out that here at work, they use the twentyten theme and just highly customized it


13:42:05kaenI'm actually in the middle of setting up a twentythirteen child theme


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13:56:02raptorexcellent


13:56:31bobdaduckbwa-ha-ha?


13:56:37raptoroh, were you able to make the background stationary, kaen?


14:02:41raptorok, let's see if footloose goes crazy with that one (I changed forums background to fixed)...


14:04:53bobdaduckhuyh?


14:05:05raptornothing, nothing at all


14:07:55bobdaduckk


14:13:11Little_Applehehe


14:31:04bobdaduckThere's no duck cards in magic the gathering...


14:34:53LordDVG Quit (Remote host closed the connection)


14:35:46Little_Applefor reals?


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14:44:49Little_Appleraptor: did you edit the giant "BITFIGHTER" at the top of the site?


14:45:08raptorno..  what happened?


14:45:26Little_Applefootloose thinks its a brighter green...


14:45:46raptorheh, the stars are already driving her to insanity


14:46:27bobdaducklol


14:46:44bobdaduckI swear looks totally the same to me


14:47:00bobdaduckshe's rght though


14:47:02bobdaduckbrighter green


14:47:06bobdaduckhttp://i.imgur.com/cZApnS6.jpg


14:47:10bobdaduckhttp://i.imgur.com/c8gLnvM.png


14:47:19Little_Appletheres also a difference in format for the pictures..


14:47:34Little_Applewhich probably has nothing to do with it.


14:48:22raptorhuh


14:48:30raptori don't know how that could have happened...


14:48:37raptorkaen: did you do something?


14:48:49bobdaduckdeep-refresh reportedly does nothing.


14:48:53bobdaduckWHY IS THIS EVEN AN ISSUE.


14:49:05Little_AppleITS NOT


14:49:21raptorwell, i *did* clear the forums server-side cache...


14:50:57bobdaduckWorkflow!


15:15:49raptormaybe pictures dim over time?


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15:16:36Nothing_Much has joined


15:16:56Little_Applethe website uses film?


15:17:08raptori suppose so!


15:18:40Little_Applebut... the text got brighter...


15:18:50Little_Applejust what kind of film is it?


15:19:31raptoruhh


15:19:36raptori'm stumped


15:20:42Little_Applefootloose: "radioactive film?"


15:21:41raptorsounds good to me!


15:22:15Little_Appleyea!


15:25:15kaendid not touch the forums


15:25:20kaennot it!


15:25:31raptorit must have been the cache clearing..


15:25:43kaenlooks fine to me


15:25:48raptorthe phpbb cache of the various web page components


15:25:58Little_Applemaybe wat did something?


15:26:13kaenhe always struck me as a practical joker


15:26:19raptorheh


15:26:20kaen"oh, I'm in the US, won't be on most of the week"


15:26:34kaensecretly makes minute adjustments to stylesheets to drive us nuts.


15:28:17bobdaducklol


15:29:00Little_Applemaybe its all part of his diabolical plot to wage war on the mormons...


15:29:26SkybaxWhat


15:29:31kaen*wat


15:29:39Little_Applelol


15:29:52kaenwaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTT!


15:31:04Little_Applethe famous line from star wars episode 7!


15:32:39bobdaduckrofl


15:32:56raptorwhat


15:32:58bobdaduckI dunno man that's more of a quartz thing


15:33:26raptorI have to say that I like our new stars


15:34:26kaensomeone get on 019


15:34:33kaenI want to record some teaser footage


15:34:44Little_Applei like the new stars too...


15:34:49Little_Applefootloose hates them.


15:35:25SkybaxI was the first one to notice them. Just sayin


15:36:28raptorrenderGamesPlayedMark()


15:36:32kaenthanks


15:36:59SkybaxWiping my Mac clean cause I bought a PC and I'm transfering all my data! See you on the other side!


15:37:20raptorthere's been a change Skybax, you should not have to worry about fitting your mouse withing the scrolling stars anymore


15:37:30SkybaxI won't?


15:37:46SkybaxI just checked. It's still difficult


15:38:03raptorhard refresh the page and try to scroll


15:38:14SkybaxOh you mean the background doesn't move


15:38:19SkybaxYeah that wasn't the issue lol


15:38:20raptor:)


15:38:35SkybaxThe line was imaginary. It's all in my head!


15:39:17SkybaxI do like this though. It seems smoother


15:39:28SkybaxAnyways. Cleaning the computer!


15:42:33raptorkaen: just let me know when..


15:43:05Little_Applewooooah stationary staaaaars


15:43:08kaenready, raptor


15:43:14kaenbobdaduck, Skybax, Little_Apple


15:43:22bobdaduckkaen, kaen, kaen


15:43:23kaenif you wanna help get footage for 019 join :)


15:43:29bobdaduckI'm at work


15:43:30Little_Applei am a beautiful flower with aids!


15:43:40SkybaxI'm trying to restore my computer xD


15:43:41bobdaduckand we're upgrading our internet and it is 800 ping slow right now


15:43:53Little_Appleshould i have copy of 019?


15:44:32Little_Applei dont have one...


15:44:35Little_Apple*sniffle*


15:45:34Little_Applekaen: join where?


15:45:53bobdaduckdude everyone has a copy of 019


15:46:02kaen!latest


15:46:02BFLogBothttp://buildbot.bitfighter.org:8010/latest/


15:46:08kaenI have a dev server up


15:46:12kaenraptor, client crash :<


15:46:17Little_Applemac?


15:46:28bobdaduckthey gave it out early to the most devoted of players\


15:46:34raptoraww rats


15:46:50kaenumm I have an x86 mac build if you have a dev directory


15:46:53raptorLittle_Apple: let me find it for you...  SAVE YOUR INI


15:46:58Little_Applealright


15:46:59kaenah, much better


15:47:15raptorftp://ftp.novell.com/outgoing/Bitfighter-019-beta-64bit-debug-201605671903.zip


15:47:26raptorBACKUP YOUR INI


15:47:32Little_Applebacked up


15:47:52raptorkaen, assert crash or hard crash?


15:48:21Little_Applewoah fuzzy text


15:51:53SkybaxBai!


15:52:02Skybax Quit (Quit: Skybax)


15:56:32bobdaduckpromo video should have DnD


16:04:11raptorLittle_Apple: kaen:  post anything you noticed needs to be polished up here:  http://beta.etherpad.org/p/bf_019_polish


16:04:21raptorI just added a few things


16:04:26Little_Applealrighty


16:04:33raptor*anything*


16:05:26Little_Appleis there any way you can see your own rank?


16:05:43raptornot yet - that 's still a work in progress


16:05:49Little_Applekk


16:08:56Little_Applecan the ships be visible when the idle screen comes up?


16:16:35Little_Appleraptor: can you remove or update a level on pleiades?


16:16:55raptorkaen is in charge of that


16:17:05raptorpleiades might be wiped before release, too..


16:17:26bobdaduck Quit (Remote host closed the connection)


16:17:27Little_Appleawesome!


16:38:12kaenactually there's no admin powers built in to pleiades


16:38:18kaenexcept that we can manually set a map's author


16:38:24kaenI should probably add that ...


16:40:03kaenLittle_Apple, you know you can log in to pleiades with your normal user/pass right?


16:40:15Little_Appledoesnt work...


16:40:17kaenyou can edit your levels manually on there


16:40:21kaentotally should :<


16:40:26Little_Appledoesnt..


16:40:41Little_Applemaybe if you kick it...


16:40:42kaenhttp://bitfighter.org/pleiades/users/login


16:40:44kaendoesn't work?


16:41:13Little_Applei put in my user info and it goes back to the main page with the login option still there


16:41:21kaenthat...


16:41:21kaensucks


16:41:32kaenespecially since your client worked


16:41:36Little_Applewoohoo


16:41:37kaenwhat browser?


16:41:41Little_Applesafari


16:41:49kaenalso, can you try clearing your cache and cookies?


16:42:05kaenand try going here


16:42:06kaenhttp://bitfighter.org/pleiades/users/logout


16:43:37Little_Applebrb


16:43:39Little_Apple Quit (Quit: Page closed)


16:44:39Little_Apple has joined


16:44:48Little_Applestill cant login...


16:45:01kaenRAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGEEEEEEE


16:45:27Little_Apple*hides in corner*


16:45:34kaenok, can you try it in firefox or chrome?


16:45:41kaendo you have some other browser?


16:45:48kaen(you're the only person so far who can't log in)


16:46:09Little_Applei havent downloaded any others...


16:46:13Little_Applegetting firefox


16:46:18kaenyou're a hero


16:46:40kaenthis will vastly narrow down the amount of things I have to debug, whatever the results.


16:47:20raptorwhen in doubt use html 4.01, css 1, and pure JS...


16:47:55kaenthis should all be done via cookies


16:48:09kaenso it actually uses only HTTP


16:48:15Little_Appleeek...


16:48:17Little_Applethis is scary


16:48:54kaenI know it's an incandescent canine encircling the earth, but don't let that alarm


16:48:57kaenyou.


16:49:16Little_Applehey it worked!


16:49:22kaenok


16:49:29kaenwhy do you hate me, safari


16:49:51kaenwonder if this mac vm still works...


16:51:21Little_Applehow do i bring up the console in bitfighter again?


16:51:25kaenctrl + /


16:51:33kaenor / in the editor


16:51:39Little_Applethankya


16:51:49kaen\:D


16:52:18Little_Applepossible bug find!


16:53:09Little_Appleif a level has something in the levelgen spot in the params and that levelgen doesnt exist, it wont be uploaded


16:53:13Little_Applenot sure if its a bug or not.


16:54:03kaenI think I coded that on purpose.


16:54:24Little_Applecould the error message be more specific then? :D


16:54:28kaenI think I should improve the error message


16:54:31kaennice find, dude.


16:54:32Little_Appleyes.


16:54:37Little_Applec:


16:54:44kaensorry, my machine is lagging :P


16:55:08kaenrunning osx in a vm in linux


16:55:28Little_Applefun!


17:05:25kaen Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)


17:20:05kaen has joined


17:24:52Little_Applehello again


17:27:05kaenthe vm brought down my machine :<


17:33:11Little_Appleaw cannonballs.


17:33:24raptorback later!


17:33:26raptor Quit ()


17:34:03Little_Applekaen: did you find a good screen recorder?


17:34:53kaennot a good one


17:34:57kaenI found a functional one, though


17:35:06Little_Appleoh joy!


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19:13:00Little_Applekaen: is the editor instruction menu getting a makeover?


19:13:35Little_Apple Quit (Quit: Page closed)


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19:13:59Little_Appleugh.


19:22:54kaenit's on the list!


19:26:21Little_Appleaaallrighty


19:36:46Little_Applebug!


19:36:55Little_Applenot sure if known or not


19:38:19Little_Appleusing /leveldir crashes the client...


19:47:06kaengood find!


19:48:09Little_Applec:


21:18:37kaen Quit (Remote host closed the connection)


21:23:22Little_AppleBFLogBot: do you have a soul?


21:23:22BFLogBotSome people are pragmatists, taking things as they come and making the best of the choices available. Some people are idealists, standing for principle and refusing to compromise. And some people just act on any whim that enters their heads. I pragmatically turn my whims into principles! -- Calvin 


21:23:40Little_AppleBFLogBot: has raptor killed anyone?


21:23:40BFLogBot"MOM, CAN I SET FIRE TO MY BED MATTRESS?" "No, Calvin." "CAN I RIDE MY TRICYCLE ON THE ROOF?" "No, Calvin." "Then can I have a cookie?" "No, Calvin." ("She's on to me.") 


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21:30:04ChanServ sets mode +o


21:32:35Little_Appleraptor: heeeeeey


21:32:39raptorhi


21:32:40Little_Applesuggestion!


21:33:23Little_Applecan the upload to db option be taken away from the menu while unregistered rather than say there was an error with no explanation?


21:39:23raptorgood idea!


21:39:28raptori'll do that now


21:40:23Little_Applewoohoo


21:45:53raptordone!


21:46:02BFLogBot Commit: a5c953325705 | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Don't show option to upload level to database if you're not authenticated


21:46:56raptorLittle_Apple: can you add any thing you noticed could need changing/fixing/polishing here:  http://beta.etherpad.org/p/bf_019_polish


21:47:10Little_Appleer.. ok


21:47:16raptorjust add a line with your bug/enhancement/issue/whatever


21:47:23Little_Applealso /leveldir crashes the client if you didnt read the log :P


21:47:28raptoroooo


21:47:33raptorlet me look at that, too...


21:48:18raptorsegfault!


21:48:21raptorgood find


21:58:21raptorwhy do I see four people online, but no server?


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22:04:34BFLogBot Commit: 01863918c582 | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Fix crash with /leveldir


22:04:38raptorLittle_Apple:  any more?


22:04:47Little_Applenot that i can think of..


22:04:51Little_Appleother than the fuzzy text


22:04:56raptorwhere was that?


22:21:54Little_Applejust in general..


22:22:00Little_Applethe new text seems a bit fuzzy


22:22:06Little_Appleand im gone.


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