#bitfighter IRC Log

IRC Log for 2013-09-02

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03:55:54 kaen hi!
03:56:03 kaen I'm awake this time :P
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03:56:12 kaen drat
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10:04:12 raptor hi Watusimoto
10:05:47 Watusimoto hey there
10:05:52 Watusimoto back!
10:06:12 raptor back!
10:06:23 raptor i haven't done too much coding, but I have been working on the new site
10:06:27 raptor I'm thinking of just rolling the new site (even though the header isn't consistent):  http://bitfighter.org/bitpress/
10:06:42 raptor becuase it looks much better in my opinion, but I welcome feedback
10:07:11 Watusimoto ok, I'm about to sit down to dinner, will look later
10:07:35 Watusimoto I had a couple of ideas on my trip we can discuss later as well
10:07:38 raptor ok
10:07:49 raptor gotta go for a bit myself..  back soon
10:10:22 Watusimoto later
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11:18:36 Watusimoto this isn't me... the kids will be on playing their games for a while
11:31:56 raptor hi
11:31:58 raptor ok
11:32:21 raptor i'll be out for large chunks of time today (it's labor day)
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12:46:43 Watusimoto hi
12:47:00 raptor hello
12:48:33 Watusimoto so here is my big idea: we need a 1 player mode
12:48:55 Watusimoto technically, no big deal, just a locally hosted server with bots that is not online
12:49:18 Watusimoto but I think this might help get people playing even when there are no ready opponents
12:49:59 raptor I've thought about adding an option 'publish on master server' for hosting a game
12:50:24 raptor we could default to adding 4 bots when hosting
12:50:58 Watusimoto you mean publish instead of host?
12:51:20 raptor I mean to not publish the server on the master when hosting
12:51:31 raptor just a flag for people who want private games
12:52:12 Watusimoto oh, I see... as opposed to a locked server
12:52:23 Watusimoto or basically not showing locked servers
12:52:40 raptor well
12:52:56 Watusimoto or we'd have normal, locked, private
12:53:33 raptor i'm not sure - it seems like people use the locked feature to avoid having public people join
12:53:44 raptor so why not just turn the public  option off
12:54:36 raptor as for locked - i don't recall seeing many online games of a similar type having the option to password-protect their servers
12:54:55 Watusimoto locked is useful if you want your friends to be able to join your server
12:55:22 Watusimoto if the server is hidden you need to deal with ip addrs or something
12:56:05 raptor yeah
12:56:19 raptor i can see the usefulness...  especially playing with family out of state :)
12:56:23 Watusimoto so I think the idea of locked servers works pretty well
12:56:30 Watusimoto and it has hardly been a problem
12:57:08 Watusimoto a hidden server seems most useful when you want to play alone (testing a level, for example, or my proposed single player mode)
13:01:11 raptor yes
13:02:42 Watusimoto while we do have a way to join server by ip, it is hardly well known or obvoius
13:03:09 raptor kaen has gradiose plans of moving to a real UI toolkit for 020
13:03:12 raptor *grandiose
13:03:52 Watusimoto I've heard of that, but have no idea what i would mean (or why we'd want to)
13:05:08 raptor it would just make UI elements easier to add and reduce code on our end
13:05:31 raptor make it easier to add right-click context menus for instance
13:05:41 raptor where we could add options like 'connect to IP'
13:08:57 Watusimoto a richer ui would be welcome, indeed... I've been reisistant, however, because some enhancements would break our "look and feel"
13:09:14 Watusimoto it can be frustrating to work within our current contstraints
13:15:52 raptor to me, a single-player mode would involve a campaign of some sort
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13:18:53 Watusimoto that would be hard to come up with, I think
13:19:07 Watusimoto I was thinking of a group of levels that do well with bots
13:19:14 Watusimoto both otherwise similar to regular hosting
13:19:15 raptor maybe a 'quick start' option
13:19:35 raptor that adds a round of levels of each gametype, short time, bots somewhat stupider
13:26:30 Watusimoto that's kind of what I was thinking
13:31:09 raptor are you thinking for 019?  because kaen and I are itching to release...  although we lost our polish list because etherpad went down (then we lost kaen's buildbot server again)
13:31:16 raptor oh and I'm starting school tomorrow  :)
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13:34:58 BFLogBot Commit: 4210988d9186 | Author: watusimoto  | Message: Fix test compilation
13:35:00 BFLogBot Commit: 058aeb4e24a6 | Author: watusimoto  | Message: Assert to catch index out of range
13:35:12 Watusimoto I don't know... I want to get 019 out as well
13:35:34 Watusimoto I'm dead tired, so am heading to bed early.  We can continue this tomorrow, and work out our path to releasing
13:35:38 raptor ok
13:35:40 raptor good night
13:35:46 Watusimoto at least fixed a bug!
13:35:54 Watusimoto (though tests still don't work0
13:36:01 Watusimoto night
13:37:05 raptor night
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16:32:00 fordcars_pi HI
16:32:33 fordcars_pi Is there a way to make Bitfighter super-economical?
16:33:15 fordcars_pi !bug
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20:16:38 raptor school tomorrow!
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22:15:50 Nothing_Much Hello guys
22:16:24 kaen greetings
22:18:06 Nothing_Much What's raptor going to school for? Isn't he married with children? o.o
22:18:28 kaen yep
22:18:36 kaen but I think he's trying to get a masters?
22:18:49 kaen or maybe he never got his degree... I don't remember
22:18:57 Nothing_Much oh, that's nice
22:18:59 kaen but he's been doing it since I got involved with bf
22:19:09 Nothing_Much school?
22:19:13 kaen yeah
22:19:21 Nothing_Much that's even nicer
22:20:03 kaen it kind of sucks when he goes though because he's (imo) the driving force behind bifighter
22:20:18 kaen so things tend to stagnate
22:20:41 Nothing_Much really?
22:21:00 Nothing_Much but the devs and the community make it work!
22:21:05 kaen it's true
22:21:19 kaen a lot of the development happens in bursts
22:22:20 Nothing_Much well, it's good to take breaks once in a while, especially so that it's still viewed as a hobby
22:22:39 kaen that's true
22:40:57 Nothing_Much OMG BF's on the pandora!?
22:41:06 bobdaduck raptor is going to school because going to school is one of his hobbies
22:41:40 Nothing_Much That's also nice
22:41:50 bobdaduck I think he's planning to be going to school until he dies
22:41:58 bobdaduck I dunno you'll have to ask him
22:42:00 kaen if it is on the pandora, we had nothing to do with it :P
22:42:12 bobdaduck wait what
22:42:14 bobdaduck screenshot
22:42:14 bobdaduck what
22:42:15 Nothing_Much http://repo.openpandora.org/?page=detail&app=bitfighter
22:42:17 Nothing_Much :D
22:42:47 bobdaduck ...huh.
22:42:55 kaen just added three days ago!
22:43:01 Nothing_Much Yep!
22:43:19 kaen another packager to reach out to
22:43:40 Nothing_Much I hope that's a good thing
22:43:40 kaen I wonder if this has to do with the new guys we've been seeing around?
22:43:47 kaen most definitely :)
22:44:42 Nothing_Much I'm in the openpandora channel right now, if you'd like to join you can.
22:45:10 kaen I'm shooting him an email
22:45:24 kaen can't hurt to idle though :P
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22:49:45 bobdaduck SPEAK OF THE DEVIL
22:49:51 raptor you rang?
22:49:58 bobdaduck SPEAK OF THE DINO, I MEAN.
22:50:04 raptor hello!
22:50:17 raptor I have dont the unthinkable
22:50:19 raptor *done
22:50:29 raptor I'm starting a long-term game of stars! with my brother
22:50:37 bobdaduck whispers to Nothing_Much, "he always lurks the channel on irclog, even if he's not here.  Shield your thoughts well."
22:50:56 bobdaduck That's...  Great?
22:51:06 raptor you know...  like the old stories of chess-by-mail
22:51:08 kaen pfft
22:51:19 raptor instead it's stars!-by-shared-ssh-server
22:51:21 kaen I'm 36 hours into a new game of dwarf fortress
22:51:24 raptor hahaha
22:51:43 bobdaduck I will get into dwarf fortress when they make a mobile port for it...
22:51:55 kaen a mobile port would run at <1 fps I imagine
22:52:19 bobdaduck I don't have time to play it on the computer, I'm busy... Playing other games...
22:53:06 bobdaduck Would it really? It doesn't seem that cpu intensive..
22:53:06 raptor yes well...
22:53:32 raptor stars-as-chess will be new for me...
22:53:42 raptor err, slow-chess
22:53:46 bobdaduck I dunno there's just so much in dwarf fortress to figure out
22:53:50 kaen > It doesn't seem that cpu intensive..
22:53:56 raptor heh
22:54:02 kaen written like someone unaware of combinatorial explosion
22:54:07 kaen it's the pathing
22:54:33 kaen path finding across 1000x1000x1000 dynamic playable tiles with > 100 units
22:54:44 kaen would not go down well on you phone
22:54:51 bobdaduck Well...  On the smallest world setting...
22:54:58 bobdaduck xD
22:55:12 raptor whoa...  pandora port??
22:55:18 bobdaduck LOOK NETHACK RUNS FINE ON MY PHONE SO DWARF FORTRESS SHOULD TOO, RIGHT?
22:55:23 raptor and yes, i'm going to school forever
22:55:36 kaen me too!
22:55:43 kaen counting the internet as school.
22:55:51 raptor I haven't earned my undergrad degree yet
22:55:52 bobdaduck lol
22:56:08 raptor but i'm in it just to learn
22:56:29 raptor pandora??
22:57:07 raptor bitfighter.pnd: Squashfs filesystem, little endian, version 4.0, 9093470 bytes, 127 inodes, blocksize: 131072 bytes, created: Fri Aug 30 10:35:31 2013
22:57:14 raptor hmmm...
22:58:57 kaen I wonder where that description is pulled from ...
22:59:08 raptor i downloaded it and mounted it...
22:59:14 raptor ARM build
22:59:26 raptor some libraries in a custom 'lib' directory
22:59:48 raptor oh, i used the program 'file' against the 'bitfighter.pnd' download
23:00:01 kaen <3 `file`
23:01:08 raptor i want to see the sources of their build system...
23:01:09 Nothing_Much oh, was the arm build of bf not supposed to be known?
23:01:30 raptor i have never seen it before...  does anyone know if it works?
23:01:39 kaen sounds like it does
23:01:44 Nothing_Much If I had a pandora I would test it out
23:02:08 Nothing_Much you could ask somebody in the openpandora channel raptor
23:02:15 kaen this guys made a bunch of games packages, so it looks like he knows what he's doing
23:02:52 raptor well this is just great!
23:02:58 raptor we got noticed...
23:03:05 kaen I'm frankly amazed he got it to build (on ARM!) without contacting anyone
23:03:18 raptor yeah tell me about it
23:03:41 raptor well actually, i ported TNL to ARM for the android port in 017
23:04:07 bobdaduck kaen what are you doing about your server?
23:04:20 raptor he's praying it comes back
23:04:23 kaen ^
23:04:23 bobdaduck ah
23:04:24 bobdaduck lol
23:04:28 bobdaduck contacted them?
23:04:40 kaen I really, really, really, really ... don't want to have to setup the mac cross-compiler again
23:04:42 bobdaduck (I mean I assume he's tried but wondering if and what they responded)
23:05:00 kaen they're working on restores
23:05:12 raptor kaen: don't do it
23:05:13 kaen they got compromised (again) through openVZ (again)
23:05:17 raptor don't do osx
23:05:38 raptor because...  it could never be used anyways, without further packaging enhancements to cmake
23:05:38 bobdaduck Its okay I'm already highly prejudiced about osx
23:05:45 raptor (which would be loads of work)
23:06:38 raptor kaen: have you found out anything about the build system they're using?  or the control files, etc.?
23:07:05 raptor because they've had to patch it somehow..
23:08:22 kaen how can you tell?
23:08:48 raptor because the joystick_settings.ini is empty...  and they've mapped stuff to the device somehow
23:09:08 kaen interesting
23:09:24 Nothing_Much why don't you guys ask them?
23:09:35 kaen indeed.
23:09:40 raptor Nothing_Much: I like to do my research in full before i'm stumped  :)
23:09:49 Nothing_Much oh lol
23:10:13 Nothing_Much well, you can reach someone involved in the #openpandora channel whenever you'd like!
23:11:49 raptor kaen: have you asked anything yet in the channel?
23:11:54 kaen nope
23:12:01 kaen canseco is not present
23:13:43 kaen 46 downloads already
23:18:33 bobdaduck Cool so like
23:18:40 bobdaduck anyone wanna play bitfighter or something?
23:18:52 Nothing_Much sure!
23:20:45 kaen ...play?
23:20:48 kaen ....bitfighter?
23:20:58 kaen I sometimes forget you can do that :P
23:33:29 Nothing_Much pandora's a good starting point for mobile!
23:34:32 raptor whoo!  I got second place last week with ONE official win!
23:35:12 bobdaduck lol
23:37:05 raptor well i gotta sleep...  good night!
23:37:17 bobdaduck hopefully my party will restore players
23:37:33 raptor school is coming back - people will need distractions again
23:37:48 bobdaduck yeah
23:38:08 raptor nighty night
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23:45:21 bobdaduck request:  when a soccer ball hits a mine, the soccerball loses all velocity.
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03:56:03	kaen	I'm awake this time :P
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10:04:12	raptor	hi Watusimoto
10:05:47	Watusimoto	hey there
10:05:52	Watusimoto	back!
10:06:12	raptor	back!
10:06:23	raptor	i haven't done too much coding, but I have been working on the new site
10:06:27	raptor	I'm thinking of just rolling the new site (even though the header isn't consistent): http://bitfighter.org/bitpress/
10:06:42	raptor	becuase it looks much better in my opinion, but I welcome feedback
10:07:11	Watusimoto	ok, I'm about to sit down to dinner, will look later
10:07:35	Watusimoto	I had a couple of ideas on my trip we can discuss later as well
10:07:38	raptor	ok
10:07:49	raptor	gotta go for a bit myself.. back soon
10:10:22	Watusimoto	later
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11:18:36	Watusimoto	this isn't me... the kids will be on playing their games for a while
11:31:56	raptor	hi
11:31:58	raptor	ok
11:32:21	raptor	i'll be out for large chunks of time today (it's labor day)
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12:46:43	Watusimoto	hi
12:47:00	raptor	hello
12:48:33	Watusimoto	so here is my big idea: we need a 1 player mode
12:48:55	Watusimoto	technically, no big deal, just a locally hosted server with bots that is not online
12:49:18	Watusimoto	but I think this might help get people playing even when there are no ready opponents
12:49:59	raptor	I've thought about adding an option 'publish on master server' for hosting a game
12:50:24	raptor	we could default to adding 4 bots when hosting
12:50:58	Watusimoto	you mean publish instead of host?
12:51:20	raptor	I mean to not publish the server on the master when hosting
12:51:31	raptor	just a flag for people who want private games
12:52:12	Watusimoto	oh, I see... as opposed to a locked server
12:52:23	Watusimoto	or basically not showing locked servers
12:52:40	raptor	well
12:52:56	Watusimoto	or we'd have normal, locked, private
12:53:33	raptor	i'm not sure - it seems like people use the locked feature to avoid having public people join
12:53:44	raptor	so why not just turn the public option off
12:54:36	raptor	as for locked - i don't recall seeing many online games of a similar type having the option to password-protect their servers
12:54:55	Watusimoto	locked is useful if you want your friends to be able to join your server
12:55:22	Watusimoto	if the server is hidden you need to deal with ip addrs or something
12:56:05	raptor	yeah
12:56:19	raptor	i can see the usefulness... especially playing with family out of state :)
12:56:23	Watusimoto	so I think the idea of locked servers works pretty well
12:56:30	Watusimoto	and it has hardly been a problem
12:57:08	Watusimoto	a hidden server seems most useful when you want to play alone (testing a level, for example, or my proposed single player mode)
13:01:11	raptor	yes
13:02:42	Watusimoto	while we do have a way to join server by ip, it is hardly well known or obvoius
13:03:09	raptor	kaen has gradiose plans of moving to a real UI toolkit for 020
13:03:12	raptor	*grandiose
13:03:52	Watusimoto	I've heard of that, but have no idea what i would mean (or why we'd want to)
13:05:08	raptor	it would just make UI elements easier to add and reduce code on our end
13:05:31	raptor	make it easier to add right-click context menus for instance
13:05:41	raptor	where we could add options like 'connect to IP'
13:08:57	Watusimoto	a richer ui would be welcome, indeed... I've been reisistant, however, because some enhancements would break our "look and feel"
13:09:14	Watusimoto	it can be frustrating to work within our current contstraints
13:15:52	raptor	to me, a single-player mode would involve a campaign of some sort
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13:18:53	Watusimoto	that would be hard to come up with, I think
13:19:07	Watusimoto	I was thinking of a group of levels that do well with bots
13:19:14	Watusimoto	both otherwise similar to regular hosting
13:19:15	raptor	maybe a 'quick start' option
13:19:35	raptor	that adds a round of levels of each gametype, short time, bots somewhat stupider
13:26:30	Watusimoto	that's kind of what I was thinking
13:31:09	raptor	are you thinking for 019? because kaen and I are itching to release... although we lost our polish list because etherpad went down (then we lost kaen's buildbot server again)
13:31:16	raptor	oh and I'm starting school tomorrow :)
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13:35:12	Watusimoto	I don't know... I want to get 019 out as well
13:35:34	Watusimoto	I'm dead tired, so am heading to bed early. We can continue this tomorrow, and work out our path to releasing
13:35:38	raptor	ok
13:35:40	raptor	good night
13:35:46	Watusimoto	at least fixed a bug!
13:35:54	Watusimoto	(though tests still don't work0
13:36:01	Watusimoto	night
13:37:05	raptor	night
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16:32:00	fordcars_pi	HI
16:32:33	fordcars_pi	Is there a way to make Bitfighter super-economical?
16:33:15	fordcars_pi	!bug
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20:16:38	raptor	school tomorrow!
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22:15:50	Nothing_Much	Hello guys
22:16:24	kaen	greetings
22:18:06	Nothing_Much	What's raptor going to school for? Isn't he married with children? o.o
22:18:28	kaen	yep
22:18:36	kaen	but I think he's trying to get a masters?
22:18:49	kaen	or maybe he never got his degree... I don't remember
22:18:57	Nothing_Much	oh, that's nice
22:18:59	kaen	but he's been doing it since I got involved with bf
22:19:09	Nothing_Much	school?
22:19:13	kaen	yeah
22:19:21	Nothing_Much	that's even nicer
22:20:03	kaen	it kind of sucks when he goes though because he's (imo) the driving force behind bifighter
22:20:18	kaen	so things tend to stagnate
22:20:41	Nothing_Much	really?
22:21:00	Nothing_Much	but the devs and the community make it work!
22:21:05	kaen	it's true
22:21:19	kaen	a lot of the development happens in bursts
22:22:20	Nothing_Much	well, it's good to take breaks once in a while, especially so that it's still viewed as a hobby
22:22:39	kaen	that's true
22:40:57	Nothing_Much	OMG BF's on the pandora!?
22:41:06	bobdaduck	raptor is going to school because going to school is one of his hobbies
22:41:40	Nothing_Much	That's also nice
22:41:50	bobdaduck	I think he's planning to be going to school until he dies
22:41:58	bobdaduck	I dunno you'll have to ask him
22:42:00	kaen	if it is on the pandora, we had nothing to do with it :P
22:42:12	bobdaduck	wait what
22:42:14	bobdaduck	screenshot
22:42:14	bobdaduck	what
22:42:15	Nothing_Much	http://repo.openpandora.org/?page=detail&app=bitfighter
22:42:17	Nothing_Much	:D
22:42:47	bobdaduck	...huh.
22:42:55	kaen	just added three days ago!
22:43:01	Nothing_Much	Yep!
22:43:19	kaen	another packager to reach out to
22:43:40	Nothing_Much	I hope that's a good thing
22:43:40	kaen	I wonder if this has to do with the new guys we've been seeing around?
22:43:47	kaen	most definitely :)
22:44:42	Nothing_Much	I'm in the openpandora channel right now, if you'd like to join you can.
22:45:10	kaen	I'm shooting him an email
22:45:24	kaen	can't hurt to idle though :P
22:49:24		raptor has joined
22:49:25		ChanServ sets mode +o
22:49:45	bobdaduck	SPEAK OF THE DEVIL
22:49:51	raptor	you rang?
22:49:58	bobdaduck	SPEAK OF THE DINO, I MEAN.
22:50:04	raptor	hello!
22:50:17	raptor	I have dont the unthinkable
22:50:19	raptor	*done
22:50:29	raptor	I'm starting a long-term game of stars! with my brother
22:50:37		bobdaduck whispers to Nothing_Much, "he always lurks the channel on irclog, even if he's not here. Shield your thoughts well."
22:50:56	bobdaduck	That's... Great?
22:51:06	raptor	you know... like the old stories of chess-by-mail
22:51:08	kaen	pfft
22:51:19	raptor	instead it's stars!-by-shared-ssh-server
22:51:21	kaen	I'm 36 hours into a new game of dwarf fortress
22:51:24	raptor	hahaha
22:51:43	bobdaduck	I will get into dwarf fortress when they make a mobile port for it...
22:51:55	kaen	a mobile port would run at <1 fps I imagine
22:52:19	bobdaduck	I don't have time to play it on the computer, I'm busy... Playing other games...
22:53:06	bobdaduck	Would it really? It doesn't seem that cpu intensive..
22:53:06	raptor	yes well...
22:53:32	raptor	stars-as-chess will be new for me...
22:53:42	raptor	err, slow-chess
22:53:46	bobdaduck	I dunno there's just so much in dwarf fortress to figure out
22:53:50	kaen	> It doesn't seem that cpu intensive..
22:53:56	raptor	heh
22:54:02	kaen	written like someone unaware of combinatorial explosion
22:54:07	kaen	it's the pathing
22:54:33	kaen	path finding across 1000x1000x1000 dynamic playable tiles with > 100 units
22:54:44	kaen	would not go down well on you phone
22:54:51	bobdaduck	Well... On the smallest world setting...
22:54:58	bobdaduck	xD
22:55:12	raptor	whoa... pandora port??
22:55:18	bobdaduck	LOOK NETHACK RUNS FINE ON MY PHONE SO DWARF FORTRESS SHOULD TOO, RIGHT?
22:55:23	raptor	and yes, i'm going to school forever
22:55:36	kaen	me too!
22:55:43	kaen	counting the internet as school.
22:55:51	raptor	I haven't earned my undergrad degree yet
22:55:52	bobdaduck	lol
22:56:08	raptor	but i'm in it just to learn
22:56:29	raptor	pandora??
22:57:07	raptor	bitfighter.pnd: Squashfs filesystem, little endian, version 4.0, 9093470 bytes, 127 inodes, blocksize: 131072 bytes, created: Fri Aug 30 10:35:31 2013
22:57:14	raptor	hmmm...
22:58:57	kaen	I wonder where that description is pulled from ...
22:59:08	raptor	i downloaded it and mounted it...
22:59:14	raptor	ARM build
22:59:26	raptor	some libraries in a custom 'lib' directory
22:59:48	raptor	oh, i used the program 'file' against the 'bitfighter.pnd' download
23:00:01	kaen	<3 `file`
23:01:08	raptor	i want to see the sources of their build system...
23:01:09	Nothing_Much	oh, was the arm build of bf not supposed to be known?
23:01:30	raptor	i have never seen it before... does anyone know if it works?
23:01:39	kaen	sounds like it does
23:01:44	Nothing_Much	If I had a pandora I would test it out
23:02:08	Nothing_Much	you could ask somebody in the openpandora channel raptor
23:02:15	kaen	this guys made a bunch of games packages, so it looks like he knows what he's doing
23:02:52	raptor	well this is just great!
23:02:58	raptor	we got noticed...
23:03:05	kaen	I'm frankly amazed he got it to build (on ARM!) without contacting anyone
23:03:18	raptor	yeah tell me about it
23:03:41	raptor	well actually, i ported TNL to ARM for the android port in 017
23:04:07	bobdaduck	kaen what are you doing about your server?
23:04:20	raptor	he's praying it comes back
23:04:23	kaen	^
23:04:23	bobdaduck	ah
23:04:24	bobdaduck	lol
23:04:28	bobdaduck	contacted them?
23:04:40	kaen	I really, really, really, really ... don't want to have to setup the mac cross-compiler again
23:04:42	bobdaduck	(I mean I assume he's tried but wondering if and what they responded)
23:05:00	kaen	they're working on restores
23:05:12	raptor	kaen: don't do it
23:05:13	kaen	they got compromised (again) through openVZ (again)
23:05:17	raptor	don't do osx
23:05:38	raptor	because... it could never be used anyways, without further packaging enhancements to cmake
23:05:38	bobdaduck	Its okay I'm already highly prejudiced about osx
23:05:45	raptor	(which would be loads of work)
23:06:38	raptor	kaen: have you found out anything about the build system they're using? or the control files, etc.?
23:07:05	raptor	because they've had to patch it somehow..
23:08:22	kaen	how can you tell?
23:08:48	raptor	because the joystick_settings.ini is empty... and they've mapped stuff to the device somehow
23:09:08	kaen	interesting
23:09:24	Nothing_Much	why don't you guys ask them?
23:09:35	kaen	indeed.
23:09:40	raptor	Nothing_Much: I like to do my research in full before i'm stumped :)
23:09:49	Nothing_Much	oh lol
23:10:13	Nothing_Much	well, you can reach someone involved in the #openpandora channel whenever you'd like!
23:11:49	raptor	kaen: have you asked anything yet in the channel?
23:11:54	kaen	nope
23:12:01	kaen	canseco is not present
23:13:43	kaen	46 downloads already
23:18:33	bobdaduck	Cool so like
23:18:40	bobdaduck	anyone wanna play bitfighter or something?
23:18:52	Nothing_Much	sure!
23:20:45	kaen	...play?
23:20:48	kaen	....bitfighter?
23:20:58	kaen	I sometimes forget you can do that :P
23:33:29	Nothing_Much	pandora's a good starting point for mobile!
23:34:32	raptor	whoo! I got second place last week with ONE official win!
23:35:12	bobdaduck	lol
23:37:05	raptor	well i gotta sleep... good night!
23:37:17	bobdaduck	hopefully my party will restore players
23:37:33	raptor	school is coming back - people will need distractions again
23:37:48	bobdaduck	yeah
23:38:08	raptor	nighty night
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23:45:21	bobdaduck	request: when a soccer ball hits a mine, the soccerball loses all velocity.
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