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| 00:14:48 | Nothing_Much | kaen, how was the discovery? :) |
| 00:16:03 | kaen | enlightening |
| 00:17:00 | Nothing_Much | it's pretty fascinating to me how the open source community works/runs! |
| 00:17:26 | Nothing_Much | all about good communication! |
| 00:17:38 | kaen | me too, actually |
| 00:18:36 | kaen | I've never actually had a software development job, I regularly read blogs with the authors complaining about devs not following style protocol, being difficult to work with, or just generally demonstrating incompetence |
| 00:19:02 | kaen | this is the fourth open source project I've worked on, and have never experienced any of those. |
| 00:19:42 | Nothing_Much | open source brings us all together, as devs, testers, and players! |
| 00:20:10 | kaen | that's my favorite part |
| 00:20:26 | kaen | no offices, no shadowy hidden counsel of nameless decision makers |
| 00:20:48 | kaen | anyone can come in at any time and determine their own level of involvment |
| 00:20:58 | Nothing_Much | heck yeah |
| 00:21:06 | kaen | meritocracy is definitely the best ocracy |
| 00:21:37 | Nothing_Much | had to look that word up |
| 00:21:44 | Nothing_Much | that's pretty nice |
| 00:21:47 | Nothing_Much | lol |
| 00:22:00 | Nothing_Much | which os projects did you used to work on? |
| 00:22:06 | Nothing_Much | or if you still do? |
| 00:22:22 | kaen | freedroidrpg, balsa, and my own stupid little js library |
| 00:22:38 | kaen | and some personal toys I play around with |
| 00:22:41 | kaen | (and bitfighter) |
| 00:22:51 | Nothing_Much | bitfighter's a given lol |
| 00:24:27 | Nothing_Much | I find myself really enthusiastic about this sorta stuff way more than the thing I was using before |
| 00:25:04 | Nothing_Much | even though I'm just a sorta tester and player |
| 00:31:13 | kaen | testers and players are the two most valuable resources in open source :) |
| 00:31:44 | kaen | without players, there'd be no one to play. without testers, no one would want to. |
| 00:34:24 | Nothing_Much | yeah, that's true.. but I'm curious as to how people actually expose their game, I think it should be more than just getting it on a bunch of distros, maybe post on some gaming forum or retro gaming forum |
| 00:34:58 | Nothing_Much | however that could get tricky, as developers, since promotion of their own game might be seen as.. perhaps not very desirable |
| 00:35:08 | kaen | as a dev I feel this really tearing dichotomy -- exactly |
| 00:35:16 | Nothing_Much | but players or testers |
| 00:35:42 | Nothing_Much | that could be more beneficial as there is interest in actually playing the game |
| 00:35:58 | kaen | if I post about bitfighter, it feels like spam. if some one else feels compelled to post about it, that feels much more legitimate |
| 00:36:06 | kaen | and it's really gratifying to see that happen. |
| 00:36:21 | Nothing_Much | yeah, that's what I was trying to say |
| 00:36:57 | Nothing_Much | huh. I guess I might know a little more about this sorta thing then I thought.. |
| 00:37:18 | Nothing_Much | I am pretty vocal |
| 00:38:33 | Nothing_Much | and I did introduce you guys to the pandora channel there |
| 00:38:48 | Nothing_Much | communication! |
| 00:38:57 | Nothing_Much | feels pretty good actually |
| 00:38:58 | kaen | I think you're the one who put is on to desura too, right? |
| 00:39:13 | kaen | made us aware of, I mean |
| 00:39:15 | Nothing_Much | Yep! |
| 00:39:19 | Nothing_Much | aware mostly |
| 00:39:25 | kaen | that makes you a mover and shaker :) |
| 00:39:25 | Nothing_Much | oh speaking of |
| 00:39:39 | Nothing_Much | linden labs (creators of second life) recently purchased Desura |
| 00:39:47 | Nothing_Much | and desura's on the home page! |
| 00:40:02 | kaen | oh cool :) |
| 00:40:05 | Nothing_Much | more exposure for Desura, which is good |
| 00:40:32 | Nothing_Much | mover and shaker? lol haven't heard those terms before in that context |
| 00:40:58 | Nothing_Much | oh wow, the definition sound nice, thank you! |
| 00:41:19 | kaen | I mean it |
| 00:41:33 | Nothing_Much | sorry if I'm textin' a lot, but this is quite a feeling! |
| 00:42:05 | kaen | you're fine |
| 00:42:43 | kaen | I remember landing my first bugfix in freedroidrpg |
| 00:43:07 | kaen | someone had read a piece of code I'd written, decided it wasn't horrible, and even decided to add it to the code base |
| 00:43:13 | kaen | then they told me "thank you" |
| 00:43:28 | Nothing_Much | ohh |
| 00:43:31 | kaen | and I felt like I had just saved children from a burning orphanage |
| 00:44:14 | Nothing_Much | hahaha.. yeah it's really cool |
| 00:45:23 | Nothing_Much | just gotta keep it from getting to your head too much :) |
| 00:46:06 | kaen | hehe yeah |
| 00:49:18 | Nothing_Much | ya doing anything right now? |
| 00:49:42 | kaen | I may or may not be diverting a magma river to power my metalsmith's forges |
| 00:49:51 | Nothing_Much | hmm? |
| 00:50:04 | kaen | oh... you don't know about my secret dwarf fortress addiction |
| 00:50:16 | Nothing_Much | tower defense game? |
| 00:50:25 | kaen | umm yeah kind of. |
| 00:50:50 | kaen | perhaps better as described xkcd "the most tedious hell imaginable) |
| 00:51:01 | Nothing_Much | where'd you get it from? drm-free? |
| 00:51:21 | kaen | just google dwarf fortress, it's no-cost but closed source |
| 00:51:49 | kaen | it's pretty big in the indie games scene |
| 00:52:25 | kaen | perhaps better as described by xkcd: "the most tedious hell imaginable" |
| 00:52:31 | Nothing_Much | whoa cool |
| 00:52:33 | kaen | ^ slightly more decipherable, I hope |
| 00:52:51 | Nothing_Much | oh it's on Desura too! |
| 00:52:56 | kaen | it's sucking my soul away... |
| 00:53:04 | Nothing_Much | o.o |
| 00:53:33 | kaen | my last fortress was doing well |
| 00:53:36 | kaen | a bastion of industry |
| 00:53:46 | kaen | I had a constant flow of finely crafted golden goods |
| 00:53:51 | kaen | a beautiful dining hall |
| 00:53:54 | kaen | lavish dormitories |
| 00:54:02 | kaen | then I was besieged by goblin raiders |
| 00:54:05 | kaen | and a necromancer |
| 00:54:23 | kaen | who raised the partial skeletons of the invaders I slayed |
| 00:54:35 | kaen | they waited until winter, so that my moat froze over |
| 00:54:52 | kaen | then descended into my fortress, waylaying my meager, untrained military with ease |
| 00:55:00 | Nothing_Much | advanced AI? |
| 00:55:07 | kaen | I had the most profound sense of sorrow watching them creep through the dorms |
| 00:55:30 | kaen | my civilian dwarves even piling themselves upon the undead horde in one finally effort to stave them off |
| 00:55:58 | kaen | it was almost painful watching them get executed one-by-one as they lay writhing on the ground |
| 00:55:59 | kaen | ... |
| 00:56:00 | kaen | /fin |
| 00:56:03 | Nothing_Much | lol |
| 00:56:15 | Nothing_Much | you weren't kidding about it taking over your soul |
| 00:56:24 | kaen | I like legitimately got sad |
| 00:56:39 | kaen | even though the dwarves are just UTF smiley-faces with little beards hanging off |
| 00:57:17 | kaen | I wouldn't call the AI "advanced" |
| 00:57:34 | kaen | but the (one single) guy who writes it has a really detailed style of game design |
| 00:57:49 | Nothing_Much | whoa |
| 00:57:51 | kaen | so he actually coded in wait-for-the-moat-to-freeze logic |
| 00:58:14 | kaen | and there's like a thousand little things like that |
| 00:58:19 | kaen | the attention to detail is incredible |
| 00:58:32 | kaen | from a technical aspect, however, the game is a disaster |
| 00:58:46 | Nothing_Much | LOL |
| 00:58:47 | kaen | also the UI makes it almost unplayable without a walkthrough |
| 00:58:57 | Nothing_Much | oh my goodness what a twist! |
| 00:58:58 | Nothing_Much | lmao |
| 00:59:40 | kaen | you can tell that he's really passionate about this game, he quit is comfy job in academia (he's a phd) to write it full-time |
| 00:59:50 | kaen | he lives purely off of donations |
| 00:59:57 | Nothing_Much | wow |
| 01:00:30 | kaen | but, I think the game ultimately suffers because refuses help time and time again, even for free, even from professional programmers, even with non-disclosure agreements |
| 01:01:14 | Nothing_Much | hmm. One person programs that game? |
| 01:01:32 | kaen | to the point where people have made programs that memory-hack the game just to be able to make an actually GUI to control the dwarves |
| 01:01:37 | kaen | yep, just one guy |
| 01:02:10 | Nothing_Much | whoa, dedication at its finest, but kinda stubborn to not accept some help lol |
| 01:02:53 | kaen | yeah, but that's a fairly common thing among people with a lot of vision |
| 01:03:07 | kaen | possessiveness over the product |
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| 01:03:32 | Nothing_Much | yeah, that's understandable |
| 01:04:06 | kaen | I read that he's even turned down buyout offers from AAA shops |
| 01:04:38 | Nothing_Much | that really is dedicated |
| 01:09:25 | Nothing_Much | can't seem to find some smaller forums |
| 01:10:29 | Nothing_Much | Hi koda |
| 01:19:21 | koda | o/ |
| 01:19:34 | Nothing_Much | What's up? |
| 01:19:54 | koda | cold |
| 01:20:06 | Nothing_Much | Ah alright |
| 01:20:29 | koda | nope :( |
| 01:20:34 | koda | i have to go here and there |
| 01:20:45 | koda | can't do that right if i have a cold |
| 01:21:00 | Nothing_Much | Oh- OH, I thought you were physically cold, not sick :( |
| 01:25:15 | Nothing_Much | Hey kaen, is BitFighterVideo on YT still available for uploading videos? |
| 01:25:26 | Nothing_Much | You could make a trailer for 019 or 020 |
| 01:25:30 | kaen | I don't remember whose channel that is :x |
| 01:25:39 | kaen | but that was my idea |
| 01:25:46 | kaen | I think it belongs to someone who bailed |
| 01:25:50 | Nothing_Much | bailed? |
| 01:25:52 | Nothing_Much | Aww |
| 01:26:34 | Nothing_Much | Well, out with the old, in with the new, eh? (but old players would still be nice) |
| 01:28:39 | Nothing_Much | If anybody knows of any smaller gaming forums out there, lemme know :) |
| 01:42:51 | Nothing_Much | Oh I found a small forum! |
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| 08:03:37 | Nothing_Much | Hey watusimoto, just to let ya know, bitfighter's on the OpenPandora |
| 08:03:51 | watusimoto | it is??? |
| 08:04:04 | watusimoto | I mean, it should run there, but still... |
| 08:04:10 | Nothing_Much | Somebody ported it on their own or something |
| 08:04:14 | Nothing_Much | I don't know the technical details |
| 08:04:19 | Nothing_Much | But it apparently works too |
| 08:04:22 | watusimoto | awesome! how do you know this? |
| 08:04:41 | Nothing_Much | http://repo.openpandora.org/?page=detail&app=bitfighter |
| 08:04:43 | Nothing_Much | check it out! |
| 08:04:50 | watusimoto | checking |
| 08:05:10 | watusimoto | no link to the porter... |
| 08:05:12 | watusimoto | sadly |
| 08:05:18 | watusimoto | oh wait, there is |
| 08:05:19 | Nothing_Much | not sure what that is |
| 08:05:26 | Nothing_Much | maintainer you mean? |
| 08:06:07 | watusimoto | coneseco did the port, looks like |
| 08:06:12 | watusimoto | looking for a contact for him/her |
| 08:06:24 | watusimoto | Canseco |
| 08:06:43 | Nothing_Much | wait for raptop or someone else, because I think they contacted him already |
| 08:06:46 | Nothing_Much | *raptor |
| 08:07:47 | watusimoto | ok; I almost bought one of these last year |
| 08:07:53 | watusimoto | so I'm glad someone made it work |
| 08:08:20 | watusimoto | we're slowly starting to work towards the 019 release, and would like to cooridnate to make sure it will work on all platforms |
| 08:08:29 | Nothing_Much | awesome! |
| 08:09:59 | watusimoto | including desura, of course :-) |
| 08:10:45 | Nothing_Much | oh, desura got bought by Linden Lab (creators of second life) |
| 08:10:48 | Nothing_Much | but that's a good thing |
| 08:10:54 | Nothing_Much | Desurium is still Open Source |
| 08:11:04 | Nothing_Much | But it's on their front page! (Desura) |
| 08:11:05 | watusimoto | yes, I know |
| 08:11:13 | watusimoto | what is desurium? |
| 08:11:13 | Nothing_Much | Ah |
| 08:11:57 | Nothing_Much | Desurium's the open source version of Desura |
| 08:12:08 | Nothing_Much | like Chromium is to Chrome |
| 08:12:37 | watusimoto | so if a game is listed on desura, is it automatically included on desurium? or is it a separate submission process? |
| 08:12:52 | watusimoto | i.e. are the databases shared? |
| 08:12:59 | Nothing_Much | oh no, it's essentially the same program, yes the db's are shared |
| 08:13:10 | Nothing_Much | so no need to go through another process :) |
| 08:13:19 | watusimoto | excellent |
| 08:13:30 | watusimoto | the desura process was totally a pain |
| 08:13:39 | watusimoto | I'm hoping the upgrade goes easier |
| 08:13:57 | Nothing_Much | I think it did for 018a |
| 08:14:13 | watusimoto | yes I think you're right |
| 08:14:47 | Nothing_Much | I'm pretty sure of it |
| 08:15:37 | Nothing_Much | yep it was |
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| 08:24:42 | Nothing_Much | Hi bobdaduck |
| 08:41:37 | bobdaduck | Sup |
| 08:43:53 | Nothing_Much | nm |
| 08:44:28 | kaen | morning all |
| 08:44:45 | kaen | s/morning/timezone appropriate greeting/ |
| 08:45:27 | Nothing_Much | Hey kaen |
| 09:01:52 | bobdaduck | lol |
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| 09:43:39 | raptor | I did NOT miss my first class because of the parking situation on campus... no sirree |
| 09:43:53 | watusimoto | that sucks! |
| 09:44:03 | watusimoto | or would suck if indeed you had missed you class |
| 09:44:10 | watusimoto | and hi bobdaduck and kaen and raptor |
| 09:44:26 | raptor | yes... yes it does^W would... |
| 09:44:45 | bobdaduck | hiya |
| 09:44:51 | raptor | and hello |
| 09:45:52 | watusimoto | raptor: Nothing_Much says you contacted the guy who did the pandora release of bitfighter |
| 09:45:57 | watusimoto | true? |
| 09:46:00 | raptor | oh |
| 09:46:01 | raptor | no |
| 09:46:10 | Nothing_Much | I wasn't sure, so I said I think he did |
| 09:46:16 | raptor | i was searching for him - they told me to contact him via the forums because he never comes on IRC |
| 09:46:23 | Nothing_Much | sorry about that |
| 09:46:28 | watusimoto | no worried |
| 09:46:29 | watusimoto | s |
| 09:46:29 | raptor | and I haven't registered or anything yet |
| 09:46:38 | watusimoto | I think we should contact him |
| 09:46:46 | watusimoto | I was trying to find an email... no luck so far |
| 09:46:50 | Nothing_Much | absolutely! |
| 09:46:50 | raptor | i downloaded the package, mounted it, and did an analysis |
| 09:46:59 | watusimoto | what did you find? |
| 09:47:12 | raptor | ARM build, uses a GL-to-GLES interface layer |
| 09:47:50 | raptor | joystick_settings.ini was completely empty, so I deduced that he must have applied some patch to get the controls to work.. |
| 09:48:17 | watusimoto | whatever he did we should try to get that into our main release to make future support easier |
| 09:48:29 | raptor | exactly! that's why I was searching for him |
| 09:48:44 | raptor | I already made one change... and that was to add a preprocessor define to enable GLES |
| 09:48:53 | raptor | but it requires SDL2 |
| 09:49:19 | Nothing_Much | well |
| 09:49:25 | Nothing_Much | you guys could make a forum account |
| 09:49:30 | Nothing_Much | and pm him there |
| 09:49:54 | kaen | that "glshim" project he built with is really cool |
| 09:50:05 | kaen | I got to pick the author's brain for a little bit last night |
| 09:50:12 | raptor | oh really?? |
| 09:50:20 | raptor | i saw the source of that... it was really neat |
| 09:50:22 | kaen | it works on the pandora, pi, and some other obscure indie handheld device |
| 09:50:43 | watusimoto | kaen: you've been in contact with the guy? |
| 09:50:51 | kaen | not the guy who ported it to the pandora |
| 09:50:58 | kaen | the guy who wrote the lib which the porter used. |
| 09:51:05 | watusimoto | ah, ok |
| 09:51:08 | watusimoto | Canseco is his name |
| 09:51:13 | raptor | the guy who wrote teh GL-to-GLES layer |
| 09:51:15 | kaen | ah, that's right |
| 09:51:20 | watusimoto | Canseco did the bf port |
| 09:51:38 | kaen | looks like he was just hammering through a list of "requested ports" |
| 09:51:53 | kaen | which looks like it was scraped from some free game DB |
| 09:52:04 | watusimoto | nonetheless... |
| 09:52:23 | watusimoto | I was tempted to buy one of those devices last spring |
| 09:52:26 | kaen | watusimoto, do you have analytics on bitfighter.org ? |
| 09:52:40 | watusimoto | what do you mean, specifically? |
| 09:52:45 | kaen | google analytics |
| 09:52:48 | watusimoto | and probably no |
| 09:52:50 | raptor | uhhh |
| 09:52:57 | watusimoto | almost definitely no |
| 09:53:00 | raptor | we could easily integrate it if we moved to the new site! |
| 09:53:10 | kaen | just wondering because I'm interested to see if this player spike coincides with that package being uploaded |
| 09:53:12 | watusimoto | unless you did it... in which case you won'dn |
| 09:53:15 | watusimoto | have asked |
| 09:53:19 | kaen | heh |
| 09:53:26 | watusimoto | we have a player spike? |
| 09:53:43 | kaen | we've had new players on almost every day for almost a week |
| 09:53:48 | watusimoto | great! |
| 09:53:58 | raptor | it could be because of the start of school |
| 09:54:08 | kaen | that's true too |
| 09:56:02 | watusimoto | we could check our logs for versions players are using... if they're all old (like 016), then it's a shop class |
| 09:59:11 | watusimoto | so our polish list is gone, eh? |
| 09:59:19 | raptor | sadness, yes |
| 09:59:26 | Nothing_Much | polish? |
| 09:59:27 | raptor | but we did the majority of it, i think |
| 10:01:11 | watusimoto | here's a question |
| 10:01:33 | watusimoto | currently, if you do /delete, it marks the current level as deleted, and it will never be loaded again |
| 10:01:41 | watusimoto | an entry is added to the ini file |
| 10:02:16 | watusimoto | but the file is not removed |
| 10:02:26 | watusimoto | should we do the following: |
| 10:02:34 | watusimoto | 1. Remove the file with /delete |
| 10:02:49 | watusimoto | 2. Add a command called /purge that deletes the marked files |
| 10:02:54 | watusimoto | 3. Do nothing, leave as is |
| 10:03:29 | watusimoto | I ask because my son wants to delete a bunch of levels he created when he was younger, and we don't really have a good way to do that wihtin the game |
| 10:03:30 | raptor | i don't think physically deleting the file is good unless there is an option to remove it from rotation as well |
| 10:03:50 | raptor | and maybe owner level is required to delete it |
| 10:04:00 | watusimoto | well, it would be removed from rotation when deleted, of course |
| 10:04:02 | watusimoto | as it is now |
| 10:04:32 | watusimoto | it seems when managing a remote host, it may not matter; when cleaning up a local folder, you want to delete |
| 10:04:37 | raptor | ok, then yes - maybe /purge |
| 10:04:42 | watusimoto | when managing a local folder, you are owner |
| 10:04:42 | Nothing_Much | headin' out, good luck with contacting the guy when you get the chance! |
| 10:04:47 | watusimoto | bye! |
| 10:05:14 | watusimoto | if we did /purge, we could also do /undelete |
| 10:05:26 | watusimoto | which would simply unmark the most recently marked item |
| 10:05:50 | raptor | ok |
| 10:06:09 | raptor | but purge needs to be owner permission only, the others can be admin |
| 10:06:21 | watusimoto | ok, seems reasonable |
| 10:23:30 | raptor | aww man... this programming class is going to require the midterms and final be in Visual Studio |
| 10:23:39 | raptor | I'm not sure I'll be able to cope... |
| 10:23:40 | bobdaduck | lol |
| 10:23:45 | watusimoto | it's really not bad |
| 10:23:53 | kaen | I hate to admit it |
| 10:23:58 | kaen | but it's really not that bad |
| 10:24:10 | kaen | in fact I daresay I .... like it |
| 10:25:29 | raptor | heh |
| 10:25:34 | kaen | but I've been using vim to write C since I started four years ago, so whenever I get fast auto-completion and refactoring support I feel spoiled |
| 10:25:51 | raptor | my experience is limited to solving SDL2 bugs in vc++ 2010 express on windows xp in a VM |
| 10:26:00 | kaen | throw in a graphical file tree, and I'm coding like a king |
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| 10:45:47 | raptor | watusimoto: my brother and I decided to do a long-term game of stars! |
| 10:46:11 | watusimoto | well, it's been nice having you around |
| 10:46:29 | raptor | our primary goal is self-control |
| 10:46:36 | raptor | we'll see how that goes |
| 10:46:41 | watusimoto | good luck! |
| 10:46:50 | raptor | we are using a shared SSH server |
| 10:47:22 | watusimoto | another good play-by-mail game is diplomacy |
| 10:47:33 | raptor | 'diplomacy' ? |
| 10:47:37 | watusimoto | yes |
| 10:47:49 | watusimoto | of course, you'll probably never eat thanksgiving dinner with your brother again |
| 10:47:59 | raptor | haha |
| 10:48:55 | kaen | according to this bag |
| 10:49:01 | kaen | I just ate 6 ounces of sun flower seeds |
| 10:49:23 | kaen | now my tongue hurts |
| 10:49:38 | raptor | we just harvested our volunteer sunflower yesterday |
| 10:49:58 | kaen | whoa that's a good idea! |
| 10:49:59 | raptor | it grew up for free in our back yard |
| 10:50:03 | kaen | my girlfriend loves sun flowers |
| 10:50:21 | kaen | she has one tatooed on her ankle, and she buys these great big bags of seeds |
| 10:50:26 | raptor | the head was about 14-15 inches in diameter |
| 10:50:31 | kaen | I tell her she's turning into a sun flower from all the seeds |
| 10:52:15 | kaen | I feel like I'd go through pi*15^2 inches worth sunflower seeds quicker than most people... |
| 10:52:59 | watusimoto | ok, back later |
| 10:53:01 | watusimoto | bye |
| 10:53:06 | raptor | hmm... diplomacy looks like it could end up in a bad way... |
| 10:53:25 | watusimoto | diplomacy always ends badly |
| 10:53:38 | raptor | like real life 'risk', but with your friends relationships |
| 10:53:51 | raptor | err, feelings, thoughts, etc.. |
| 10:55:02 | raptor | see... my brother and I are wanting to build our relationship... not tear it down |
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| 11:27:51 | Nothing_Much | you guys make a forum account yet? :o |
| 11:28:30 | Nothing_Much | or contact the guy? |
| 11:28:39 | raptor | nope, I won't get to it today - a bit busy with the start of school... |
| 11:28:50 | Nothing_Much | ah okay, have fun with school |
| 11:33:12 | Nothing_Much | kaen, are you up for contacting him or are you guys gonna do it collaboratively? Though I would recommend one just PM him over there |
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| 13:33:26 | Nothing_Much | Can BF be run on Windows 98 or does it have to be Windows 2000 or XP? |
| 13:45:02 | bobdaduck | I'm pretty sure it would run on win 98 |
| 13:45:19 | bobdaduck | Zap! did. |
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| 14:21:55 | raptor | 30 min. until my math class.. |
| 14:22:47 | Watusimoto | 4 + 2 = 6 |
| 14:23:39 | raptor | not if Oceania says it's 7! |
| 14:27:58 | Watusimoto | who cares what they say? we've always been at war with Oceania! |
| 14:28:12 | bobdaduck | lol |
| 14:28:12 | raptor | haha |
| 14:31:56 | Watusimoto | I guess high school english class did pay off |
| 14:32:25 | raptor | that was the book that let me know my english teacher wasn't as smart as I thought adults should be... |
| 14:32:33 | kaen | lol |
| 14:32:41 | bobdaduck | lol |
| 14:33:49 | raptor | it was probably just the conceited outlook of a 15-year-old, though... |
| 14:34:17 | kaen | quite possible |
| 14:34:20 | bobdaduck | I still have that |
| 14:34:25 | bobdaduck | When can I expect it to go away? |
| 14:34:28 | kaen | I remember I read that book and decided I was a political philosopher for a while |
| 14:34:34 | raptor | when you get beat down enough.. |
| 14:34:39 | kaen | ^ |
| 14:34:43 | raptor | haha |
| 14:35:47 | kaen | "The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing" |
| 14:36:21 | raptor | I think there was a recent resurgence in interest for that book |
| 14:36:30 | raptor | because of all of the No-Such-Agency stuff |
| 14:36:33 | kaen | there was in fact |
| 14:36:43 | kaen | reddit showed me the article |
| 14:37:18 | kaen | http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/06/11/190615813/book-news-sales-of-orwell-s-1984-leap-after-nsa-revelations |
| 14:37:31 | raptor | ah yes, that's the one, thanks |
| 14:37:41 | kaen | "As of this morning, Amazon sales of George Orwell's dystopian novel 1984 had jumped 6,021 percent in just 24 hours" |
| 14:37:49 | kaen | wow that's a lot of percents. |
| 14:37:53 | raptor | wow |
| 14:38:04 | bobdaduck | lol |
| 14:38:43 | raptor | hahaha, i forgot: 'Everyone Snoops' haha |
| 14:49:27 | raptor | off to class! don't expect me too sane after today.. |
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| 15:01:52 | bobdaduck | kaen |
| 15:02:07 | bobdaduck | I want to check if a number is divisible by 10 |
| 15:02:19 | bobdaduck | I need to use modulus but I'm not sure what to use it for |
| 15:02:20 | kaen | number % 10 == 0 |
| 15:02:43 | bobdaduck | thanks! |
| 15:03:35 | bobdaduck | I'm trying to make an item in DnD that basically does the same thing as everyone always moving in my "freestyle" |
| 15:03:43 | bobdaduck | but I want to make it so people can stop |
| 15:04:35 | bobdaduck | so I'm making it only check intermittently. |
| 15:04:37 | bobdaduck | Should work... |
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| 16:03:13 | thread_ | wow, much fewer people today |
| 16:04:27 | Nothing_Much | Hello |
| 16:05:32 | thread_ | Watusimoto: I was thinking. What if walls could be disabled in levelgens, such that they still were there but ships could travel through them? |
| 16:06:06 | thread_ | so that I could program something like a door |
| 16:06:09 | Watusimoto | I'm generally opposed to secret walls |
| 16:06:29 | Watusimoto | however, I am not opposed (in principle) to removing walls |
| 16:06:39 | Watusimoto | except we currently have no mechanism to do so |
| 16:07:00 | thread_ | I not secret exactly. I was thinking like changing a walls state from solid to not solid and back, but keep it outlined when not solid |
| 16:07:16 | Watusimoto | so all players could see the change |
| 16:07:17 | Watusimoto | ? |
| 16:07:20 | thread_ | yes |
| 16:07:47 | Watusimoto | then I would not be opposed. To me, that would essentially be a removable wall |
| 16:08:01 | Watusimoto | it would probably be cleaner just to remove it and add it back later if you wanted it |
| 16:08:02 | thread_ | I see |
| 16:08:11 | Watusimoto | there are some practical concerns, however |
| 16:08:25 | Watusimoto | first, we would need to add a mecahnsim, not too hard in itself |
| 16:08:40 | Watusimoto | second, bots would need to understand the change |
| 16:08:48 | thread_ | ah yes |
| 16:09:00 | thread_ | I forgot about that |
| 16:09:04 | Watusimoto | this is something on our todo list (would involve rebuilding bot zones) |
| 16:09:09 | Watusimoto | but it is tricky |
| 16:09:27 | Watusimoto | which is why it hasn't been done yet |
| 16:09:40 | Watusimoto | so I would say it is something that is likely to happen at some point |
| 16:09:46 | Watusimoto | but probably not for the next release |
| 16:10:02 | thread_ | alright |
| 16:12:40 | thread_ | is there any idea on when 019 is going to be considered done? |
| 16:15:08 | Watusimoto | no; we want to do a release soonish, but we don't yet have a firm feature list |
| 16:15:22 | Watusimoto | most of the big things are done, but the small things all seem to take a long time |
| 16:15:32 | Watusimoto | I'd guess a month or so |
| 16:15:39 | Watusimoto | but that really is just a guess |
| 16:18:56 | thread_ | hmm |
| 16:19:11 | thread_ | bob and I keep adding too many ideas I guess |
| 16:21:56 | Watusimoto | no worries |
| 16:22:05 | | BFLogBot Commit: 17a8833d62b8 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Fix tests, add comments |
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| 16:22:07 | Watusimoto | we like good ideas |
| 16:22:08 | | BFLogBot Commit: 2a9d11f363e9 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Added /undeletelevel command to undo most recent /deletecurrentlevel (*) |
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| 17:13:23 | amgine1234567890 | yo whats up |
| 17:13:30 | Nothing_Much | nm |
| 17:21:47 | amgine1234567890 | any thing new to debug |
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| 17:37:30 | Nothing_Much | Hey raptor |
| 17:37:40 | raptor | who what.. where> |
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| 17:41:01 | Nothing_Much | still busy raptor? |
| 17:41:40 | raptor | forever! |
| 17:41:54 | raptor | hey wait watusimoto! |
| 17:41:57 | raptor | argh |
| 17:42:48 | amgine1234567890 | hello anything new to test? |
| 17:42:57 | raptor | hi |
| 17:43:08 | raptor | we need a new build... but build system is broke |
| 17:43:29 | amgine1234567890 | hmm im thinking about having having my dad install unbuntu so i can run linux windows and mac programs with wine! |
| 17:44:02 | Nothing_Much | wine only works for windows apps only |
| 17:46:16 | amgine1234567890 | really wait maybe its a differnt program then my dad has a idffernt program it run windows linux and mac programs |
| 17:46:37 | amgine1234567890 | the buildbot is down? |
| 17:46:39 | raptor | WINE will run about 50% of windows programs |
| 17:46:45 | raptor | the older, the better |
| 17:47:41 | Nothing_Much | amgine1234567890, there's a new program that runs os x programs called darling |
| 17:48:59 | raptor | Nothing_Much: I have tried 3 times to register for the openpandora forums, i can't get past the security code |
| 17:49:39 | Nothing_Much | oh? need some help with that? |
| 17:49:44 | raptor | hey i got in! 4th time's the charm! |
| 17:49:51 | Nothing_Much | oh there ya go! |
| 17:50:12 | Nothing_Much | I would recommend only PMing the guy who made that port |
| 17:50:17 | Nothing_Much | or just comment on his profile |
| 17:56:44 | raptor | I sent a PM |
| 17:58:52 | Nothing_Much | nice |
| 18:21:22 | Nothing_Much | time for the waiting game |
| 18:28:11 | amgine1234567890 | whats openpandora for? |
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| 18:29:07 | Nothing_Much | It's a small handheld Linux pc |
| 18:29:11 | Nothing_Much | runs off of Arm |
| 18:30:18 | amgine1234567890 | im sorry i know 0 about linux |
| 18:30:37 | Nothing_Much | That's okay, it's basically an emulator console |
| 18:30:47 | amgine1234567890 | i might convert to linux my dead says its good he has unbuntu |
| 18:31:04 | amgine1234567890 | what do you think compared to windows and macs? |
| 18:31:07 | Nothing_Much | Ubuntu's a nice distro |
| 18:31:36 | Nothing_Much | I would say that Linux is far superior to Windows, Mac is up there with Ubuntu in terms of reliability and stability |
| 18:31:52 | Nothing_Much | wb kaen |
| 18:32:00 | kaen | hello hello |
| 18:32:31 | amgine1234567890 | hello |
| 18:32:41 | amgine1234567890 | so i cant get a build then since buildbots down? |
| 18:32:51 | amgine1234567890 | !build |
| 18:32:58 | amgine1234567890 | !commands |
| 18:33:20 | Nothing_Much | raptop PM'd the porter to the pandora kaen, just to let you know :) |
| 18:33:39 | Nothing_Much | oops |
| 18:33:40 | Nothing_Much | *raptor |
| 18:33:54 | kaen | ok |
| 18:33:58 | amgine1234567890 | do you know any exceptinal builds for linux? my days says linux is good but i havent tried it so im not sure |
| 18:34:22 | kaen | just use ubuntu |
| 18:34:26 | Nothing_Much | amgine1234567890, I would recommend you use Ubuntu |
| 18:34:29 | Nothing_Much | yeah |
| 18:34:55 | kaen | failing that, opensuse |
| 18:35:11 | Nothing_Much | can you boot it from a USB port? |
| 18:35:15 | amgine1234567890 | !latest |
| 18:35:15 | BFLogBot | http://buildbot.bitfighter.org:8010/latest/ |
| 18:35:52 | kaen | not sure |
| 18:35:56 | kaen | amgine1234567890, buildbot is down |
| 18:35:59 | kaen | sorry dude :< |
| 18:36:02 | amgine1234567890 | arg |
| 18:36:12 | kaen | you want a build? |
| 18:36:17 | kaen | I can cook one up real quick |
| 18:36:20 | amgine1234567890 | build bot sures lieks to rust doesnt he XD |
| 18:36:26 | kaen | well, it's the host |
| 18:36:42 | kaen | I found them on "cheapvps" or some similar site |
| 18:36:49 | amgine1234567890 | if there is anything new to test i would be glad to look around hte newest version |
| 18:37:48 | kaen | building, should be maybe ten minutes |
| 18:37:52 | amgine1234567890 | hmm i know what lastest does but the other commands..... |
| 18:38:12 | amgine1234567890 | ill ingnore those |
| 18:38:40 | amgine1234567890 | jsut how smart are you ;) http://www.timtang.com/ttt/level.php |
| 18:38:47 | amgine1234567890 | a little puzzle site |
| 18:38:54 | amgine1234567890 | if you want to take a break ;) |
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| 19:28:03 | Nothing_Much | bad connection kaen? |
| 19:28:09 | kaen | yeah ... |
| 21:25:55 | Nothing_Much | kaen, found a website I'm gonna show off bitfighter to |
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| 21:29:03 | Nothing_Much | wb raptor |
| 21:29:09 | raptor | hello |
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| 21:36:54 | bobdaduck | guys |
| 21:37:00 | Nothing_Much | yes? |
| 21:37:05 | bobdaduck | I'm at a major crossroads in my life and I need serious advice |
| 21:37:14 | Nothing_Much | What's up? |
| 21:37:16 | raptor | turn left! |
| 21:37:33 | raptor | the only way to win is not to play |
| 21:37:40 | bobdaduck | I just don't understand |
| 21:37:52 | bobdaduck | ...How to watch the news without becoming extremely misanthropic. |
| 21:38:01 | kaen | pick one. |
| 21:38:03 | bobdaduck | Like seriously, what do I do? |
| 21:38:36 | Nothing_Much | Ignore it maybe, I guess, or cry about it. |
| 21:39:00 | bobdaduck | You can't. Adblock is not a high enough level to block news outlets. |
| 21:39:11 | bobdaduck | I haven't learned the "cry" skill. |
| 21:39:13 | kaen | well basically, the vast majority of media revolves around getting your eyeballs to look at them and not their competitors |
| 21:39:16 | Nothing_Much | Oh, I thought you meant television |
| 21:39:33 | kaen | so what you see is the most shocking/depression/evocative cross section of what happens in the world |
| 21:39:35 | bobdaduck | What's television? |
| 21:39:59 | Nothing_Much | Exactly |
| 21:40:27 | bobdaduck | Its not what's being reported, its the fact that its reported at all, and how its reported |
| 21:40:39 | kaen | oh, then go back to one |
| 21:40:44 | kaen | corporate media is a product |
| 21:40:49 | kaen | like mcdonald's hamburgers |
| 21:41:00 | bobdaduck | good analogy... |
| 21:41:17 | kaen | extremely bad for you in large doses, but okay once in a while |
| 21:41:36 | bobdaduck | I dunno |
| 21:41:39 | raptor | that's what doing service is for - to bring you back being philanthropic |
| 21:41:53 | bobdaduck | last time I tried to eat at mcdonalds I had a severe spiritual allergic reaction |
| 21:42:02 | raptor | haha |
| 21:42:03 | kaen | hehe |
| 21:42:18 | Nothing_Much | lol |
| 21:42:24 | bobdaduck | I literally could not finish my food inside the resturaunt, I had to leave and eat in my car. |
| 21:42:39 | bobdaduck | So like... My dillema stands. |
| 21:43:08 | kaen | <kaen> pick one. |
| 21:43:36 | bobdaduck | <kaen> <kaen> pick one. |
| 21:43:43 | bobdaduck | Pick one what? |
| 21:43:48 | raptor | go do your neighbors dishes |
| 21:44:06 | kaen | either watch the news or don't become extremely misanthropic |
| 21:44:18 | bobdaduck | Right right |
| 21:44:23 | bobdaduck | But like its everywhere |
| 21:44:33 | bobdaduck | AVOIDING PEOPLE IS HARD. |
| 21:44:39 | Nothing_Much | bobdaduck, yeah that's true somewhat |
| 21:46:33 | bobdaduck | Like I go to sign in to my email and there it is. |
| 21:46:36 | bobdaduck | The bane of everything. |
| 21:46:47 | raptor | use thunderbird! |
| 21:46:49 | bobdaduck | "Miley Cirus fires back" |
| 21:46:53 | kaen | oh |
| 21:46:55 | kaen | ohhhh |
| 21:46:55 | raptor | oh |
| 21:46:58 | raptor | that's not news |
| 21:46:58 | kaen | pop culture news |
| 21:47:02 | bobdaduck | HOW CAN THAT NOT BREAK MY COMPOSURE. |
| 21:47:04 | kaen | "news" |
| 21:47:06 | raptor | that's... umm... refuse |
| 21:47:13 | kaen | that's hamburgers! |
| 21:47:18 | bobdaduck | xD |
| 21:47:26 | Nothing_Much | bobdaduck, look up some technology articles instead! |
| 21:47:43 | raptor | bobdaduck: set up IMAP e-mail in thunderbird |
| 21:47:48 | raptor | no news/ads! |
| 21:48:06 | bobdaduck | But like forums that I may be on have people talking about it |
| 21:48:18 | bobdaduck | and people talking on the radio on my way to work |
| 21:48:36 | bobdaduck | I'm constantly being bombarded by idiots! |
| 21:48:37 | kaen | that gets "reported" for the same reason cigarettes get sold and wars get provoked by the military-industrial complex: |
| 21:48:41 | kaen | it's profitable |
| 21:49:10 | kaen | that drivel is how media outlets harvest the eyeballs of the unwashed masses. |
| 21:49:34 | kaen | because the vast majority of people can't understand the subtle complexities of a brewing syrian proxy war |
| 21:49:44 | kaen | but everyone likes to talk smack about miley twerkin' |
| 21:49:52 | Nothing_Much | people are crazy |
| 21:49:59 | Nothing_Much | miley wants whatever attention she can get |
| 21:50:17 | kaen | yeah, and as stated above, everyone airing her footage gets ad revenue for it |
| 21:50:24 | kaen | who would stop that gravy train? |
| 21:51:08 | bobdaduck | :( |
| 21:52:07 | Nothing_Much | bobdaduck, sucks dude, sorry |
| 21:52:39 | kaen | this is pretty much the experience of every critically-thinking person |
| 21:52:46 | kaen | especially around your age. |
| 21:52:57 | bobdaduck | Yes I know BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT EASIER. |
| 21:53:06 | Nothing_Much | critical thinking is hard for me :( |
| 21:53:13 | kaen | (still fresh in my memory) |
| 21:53:16 | Nothing_Much | most things fly right over my head |
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| 21:54:41 | bobdaduck | I dunno I was just about to log into my email and was like "who is Miley firing back at? The news outlet that reported this?" and just got stuck in this sort of misanthropic loop thingy |
| 21:54:48 | bobdaduck | It was very distressing |
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| 21:58:39 | bobdaduck | As long as I'm ranting |
| 21:58:47 | bobdaduck | M14 HAS NO GOOD IZZET CARDS. |
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| 21:59:38 | kaen | I remember playing my M7 starter deck |
| 21:59:42 | kaen | > dem angels |
| 21:59:51 | bobdaduck | How am I to summon the mighty Niv-Mizzet when it all I get are merfolk spys! |
| 22:00:39 | bobdaduck | I just started playing, kinda, so I wasn't around for M7 |
| 22:01:25 | kaen | mtg is so crazy now |
| 22:01:43 | bobdaduck | Iz it? |
| 22:02:32 | kaen | I played a game last year with an old friend of mine using some multi-colored dragon decks |
| 22:03:22 | bobdaduck | yeah? |
| 22:03:23 | kaen | I remember conceding when he got out like a dozen 0/1 tokens and buffed them to like 6/6 or something |
| 22:04:16 | kaen | the specifics elude me, but it was a far cry from four creature slugouts I remember from my youth |
| 22:04:25 | bobdaduck | xD |
| 22:04:57 | kaen | and planeswalkers |
| 22:05:04 | bobdaduck | Yes, that definitely happens now. AND PLANESWALKERS. |
| 22:05:21 | kaen | so much wtf when he played that thing and had to explain that it had its own life total ... |
| 22:05:36 | bobdaduck | lol |
| 22:06:06 | bobdaduck | Cool concept storywise, bad concept gameplaywise. |
| 22:06:32 | kaen | he had this tezzeret artifact deck with a bunch "affinity for artifact" cards and artifact lands |
| 22:07:01 | kaen | so he would like play his entire hand for free and *then* tap his lands to buff them |
| 22:07:12 | bobdaduck | Suddenly, every artifact is indestructible and he can't lose life! |
| 22:07:16 | kaen | YES |
| 22:07:20 | kaen | I forgot about that |
| 22:07:45 | bobdaduck | because like apparently that's legal |
| 22:07:59 | kaen | yeah |
| 22:08:03 | kaen | mtg is so crazy now |
| 22:08:35 | bobdaduck | Depends on how much money you're willing to throw at it, I guess |
| 22:08:43 | kaen | definitely |
| 22:09:02 | bobdaduck | I think I play almost exclusively for the personality of the cards |
| 22:09:17 | raptor | and if the card dealer didn't already go through the deck he's selling... |
| 22:09:41 | bobdaduck | most cards are traded individually or in booster packs |
| 22:10:18 | kaen | on an unrelated note: |
| 22:10:24 | kaen | "The version of binary search that I wrote for the JDK contained the same bug. It was reported to Sun recently when it broke someone's program, after lying in wait for nine years or so." |
| 22:10:48 | bobdaduck | this is your thing? |
| 22:11:07 | kaen | JDK's binary search apparently carried a bug for almost a decade unnnoticed |
| 22:11:25 | raptor | oh wow |
| 22:11:26 | kaen | nope, not my thing |
| 22:11:34 | kaen | just a mutual interest between raptor and I |
| 22:12:12 | bobdaduck | That's a lot of years! |
| 22:12:42 | kaen | the offender was "int mid = (low + high) / 2;" |
| 22:12:53 | kaen | apparently the bug was that low + high could overflow INTMAX |
| 22:13:04 | raptor | that's crazy |
| 22:13:15 | kaen | I would never have ever thought of that while I was coding |
| 22:13:19 | bobdaduck | brb gonna go beg my mom like dog for half of her grilled-cheese sandwhich |
| 22:13:49 | kaen | if only there were some way one could create his own grilled-cheese sandwich ... |
| 22:14:03 | kaen | unfortunately, no such technology exists so they must be harvested from moms |
| 22:14:31 | bobdaduck | totally worked |
| 22:14:51 | bobdaduck | Actually I made it for her |
| 22:14:55 | bobdaduck | But um |
| 22:14:58 | bobdaduck | I already ate mine |
| 22:15:14 | bobdaduck | and I don't want to go find more white bread |
| 22:15:17 | kaen | lol |
| 22:15:35 | kaen | grilled cheese and french toast are the only two things I use white bread for |
| 22:15:42 | kaen | otherwise I'm a cracked wheat type of guy |
| 22:15:49 | Nothing_Much | You should try grilled PBJ |
| 22:15:54 | Nothing_Much | It's delicious |
| 22:15:57 | kaen | I have to keep two distinct loaves in my cupboard... |
| 22:16:06 | bobdaduck | Woah, I dunno if I have the courage to try that |
| 22:16:07 | kaen | grilled pbj, sounds promising |
| 22:16:11 | raptor | favorite condiment on grill cheese? |
| 22:16:17 | kaen | cheese? |
| 22:16:17 | raptor | ketchup or ranch dressing? |
| 22:16:23 | bobdaduck | Cheese is pretty good |
| 22:16:27 | bobdaduck | pepperjack |
| 22:16:27 | kaen | I had no idea people put other things on it |
| 22:16:36 | raptor | what? you didn't grow up eating grill chees + ketchup? |
| 22:16:39 | kaen | I have literally never seen such a thing |
| 22:16:44 | raptor | whAT?? |
| 22:16:44 | bobdaduck | and I have this garlic bread sprinkle that makes it just like, pop |
| 22:16:49 | bobdaduck | rofl |
| 22:17:03 | bobdaduck | I've never tried anything else on a grilled cheese though either |
| 22:17:06 | Nothing_Much | kaen, You need 3TBS of Crunchy PB, 2TBs of Jelly/Jam, and 2 TBS of Marshmallow Cream |
| 22:17:12 | raptor | surely you've done that bob... wHAT??? |
| 22:17:23 | bobdaduck | WE SHOULD ALL HAVE A GRILLED-KETCHUP SANDWHICH PARTY AT RAPTOR'S HOUSE |
| 22:17:27 | raptor | i don't understand |
| 22:17:39 | raptor | my... my world view has been altered so drastically |
| 22:18:01 | bobdaduck | xD |
| 22:18:05 | kaen | I don't understand why you'd ruin a perfectly good grilled-cheese sandwich by putting tomatoes in/on/anywhere proximate to it |
| 22:18:12 | bobdaduck | Right? |
| 22:18:47 | raptor | normally, i stongly dislike tomatoes... but ketchup isn't tomatoes anymore (thinking as a kid)... and ketchup on grill cheese made so much sense at the time... |
| 22:18:50 | kaen | I've always had a distaste for tomatoes though :P |
| 22:18:56 | kaen | hehehe |
| 22:19:05 | Nothing_Much | tomatoes aren't that bad :( |
| 22:19:19 | bobdaduck | They're alright |
| 22:19:27 | kaen | they're great in pasta sauce! |
| 22:19:28 | bobdaduck | I wonder if cucumbers would go well with grilled cheese? |
| 22:19:32 | kaen | I just have to not think about it |
| 22:20:12 | bobdaduck | lol |
| 22:20:31 | kaen | Nothing_Much, glad to see another crunchy PB enthusiast |
| 22:20:58 | Nothing_Much | hell yeah |
| 22:22:17 | bobdaduck | I dunno why anyone would like creamy? |
| 22:22:31 | bobdaduck | Its obviously inferior, it has less units! |
| 22:23:03 | kaen | lol |
| 22:23:29 | raptor | next question to divide me culturally again... |
| 22:23:37 | kaen | I eat a spoonful of crunchy PB as a snack some times |
| 22:23:37 | raptor | do you... dip your hamburgers in ketchup? |
| 22:23:44 | bobdaduck | do WHAT |
| 22:23:47 | Nothing_Much | raptor, and mustard too |
| 22:23:52 | kaen | D: |
| 22:23:53 | Nothing_Much | and onions |
| 22:23:55 | Nothing_Much | and cheese |
| 22:23:57 | Nothing_Much | and pickles |
| 22:23:58 | kaen | those poor hamburgers... |
| 22:23:59 | kaen | oh |
| 22:24:00 | kaen | lol |
| 22:24:00 | bobdaduck | xD |
| 22:24:07 | bobdaduck | xDD |
| 22:24:14 | Nothing_Much | teehee |
| 22:24:18 | raptor | no no... i mean, pick up the whole burger and dip it, like a chip in salsa, into ketchup |
| 22:24:39 | Nothing_Much | well, when the ketchup drips off from the burger.. |
| 22:24:39 | kaen | that's another first |
| 22:24:44 | Nothing_Much | sure |
| 22:24:45 | bobdaduck | I prefer to bathe it in molten mayonaise |
| 22:24:53 | bobdaduck | then harden it in the freezer |
| 22:24:57 | Nothing_Much | oh you can't forget the mayonnaise |
| 22:25:05 | Nothing_Much | that's what blends the flavors perfectly |
| 22:25:09 | Nothing_Much | spread them on those buns |
| 22:25:13 | Nothing_Much | *spread it |
| 22:25:20 | raptor | my mocking radar just went off! |
| 22:25:41 | bobdaduck | Sometimes I like to switch out the mayonaise for mustered |
| 22:25:41 | kaen | never tried mayo on my hamburger |
| 22:25:44 | bobdaduck | really gives it a kick |
| 22:26:03 | kaen | but I bread my chicken with mayo, then put more mayo on it when I make fried chicken burgers |
| 22:26:04 | raptor | mayo + ketchup was a thing i saw natives do only in wyoming, idaho, and utah |
| 22:26:14 | kaen | it's big up here in WA too |
| 22:26:15 | Nothing_Much | Put mayonnaise and mustard on at the same time with ketchup! |
| 22:26:26 | bobdaduck | Do you know fry sauce isn't even a thing outside of Utah? |
| 22:26:30 | kaen | mayo + ketchup is commonly referred to as fry sauce here |
| 22:26:35 | kaen | LOL |
| 22:26:41 | bobdaduck | Uh |
| 22:26:42 | Nothing_Much | Really? |
| 22:26:43 | Nothing_Much | Cool |
| 22:26:45 | bobdaduck | I take it back xD |
| 22:26:56 | raptor | no, I think it has migrated |
| 22:27:09 | raptor | pretty sure it started in idaho, though, but not completely sure |
| 22:27:13 | bobdaduck | Ah. Oh well, another bit of culture lost |
| 22:27:18 | Nothing_Much | bobdaduck, you feelin' any better? |
| 22:27:34 | bobdaduck | Probably |
| 22:27:39 | bobdaduck | ^.^ |
| 22:27:47 | bobdaduck | Anyway so back to hamburgers |
| 22:27:53 | Nothing_Much | *Cheeseburgers |
| 22:27:55 | bobdaduck | What I do is |
| 22:27:58 | Nothing_Much | American cheese |
| 22:27:59 | bobdaduck | I get a chocolate fountain |
| 22:28:03 | bobdaduck | and do it like fondu |
| 22:28:10 | Nothing_Much | Lol seriously? |
| 22:28:18 | raptor | kaen: any reason why glGenTextures would fail when linking against GLES ? |
| 22:28:20 | bobdaduck | and then cover it in sugar |
| 22:28:22 | bobdaduck | straight up sugar. |
| 22:28:39 | bobdaduck | Not beet sugar, you heretic. Cane sugar. |
| 22:29:06 | bobdaduck | I am fairly sure I'm not serious, no. |
| 22:29:09 | kaen | at linktime? I can't imagine why |
| 22:29:10 | bobdaduck | Usually I can't even tell |
| 22:30:17 | raptor | no, at runtime |
| 22:30:31 | raptor | keeps returning NULL for texture ids... |
| 22:30:36 | raptor | maybe it's my implementation |
| 22:30:38 | kaen | oh... hm |
| 22:30:44 | bobdaduck | though that sounds like something I would totally try given the oppertunity |
| 22:34:01 | raptor | glError returns 0 argh |
| 22:34:07 | kaen | google keeps mentioning bad parameters to glTexImage2D |
| 22:35:06 | bobdaduck | psst |
| 22:35:24 | bobdaduck | remember the bitfighter notifier widget for releasing 019 |
| 22:35:44 | bobdaduck | Anyone play DnD? |
| 22:35:47 | raptor | oh yeah... that |
| 22:36:09 | bobdaduck | (that was an invitation, not a question) |
| 22:37:20 | kaen | MAN |
| 22:37:27 | kaen | forgot to get peppers and tortillas |
| 22:38:02 | kaen | this chicken quesadillas are gonna be tricky ... |
| 22:39:05 | bobdaduck | just chicken |
| 22:39:12 | bobdaduck | on some of that wheat bread you got there |
| 22:40:01 | bobdaduck | Anyway anyone get on bitfighter and play DnD with me or everyone busy? |
| 22:40:50 | Nothing_Much | I'm gonna give bf a bit more exposure on a little forum I found |
| 22:41:42 | bobdaduck | cool but |
| 22:41:44 | raptor | sorry bobdaduck a bit busy... |
| 22:41:47 | bobdaduck | we don't have a lot of activity right now |
| 22:41:59 | bobdaduck | exposure without players may not be the best thing |
| 22:42:08 | bobdaduck | what we should do is make a massive PR push when 019 comes out |
| 22:43:29 | Nothing_Much | It's mostly to get people to notice the game exists |
| 22:43:39 | bobdaduck | yeah |
| 22:43:40 | Nothing_Much | But I can see where you're coming from |
| 22:43:46 | bobdaduck | but that'd be most effective on 019 |
| 22:43:54 | bobdaduck | when many players begin playing again |
| 22:44:30 | Nothing_Much | I could say that a newer version will be coming out soon |
| 22:45:10 | bobdaduck | I would advise you to wait, but you can do whatever |
| 22:45:53 | Nothing_Much | Well, it was recently ported to the Pandora.. |
| 22:46:38 | Nothing_Much | Hmm.. |
| 22:46:58 | bobdaduck | DUDES |
| 22:47:01 | Nothing_Much | I'll think about it, but people should try to get to know the game first |
| 22:47:05 | Nothing_Much | Yes? |
| 22:47:07 | bobdaduck | CAN I HAVE LUA ACCES TO CREATING A DUST OBJECT? |
| 22:47:27 | bobdaduck | like the dust flecks that appear when you bump a wall |
| 22:47:30 | bobdaduck | CAN I HAVE THOSE? |
| 22:47:36 | bobdaduck | plzplzplzplzplzplzplz |
| 22:48:03 | Nothing_Much | Ah, I just thought of something |
| 22:48:14 | Nothing_Much | I'll withhold on posting it for now |
| 22:48:31 | Nothing_Much | 019 is a pretty big release from what I've heard |
| 22:48:44 | bobdaduck | huge |
| 22:48:53 | bobdaduck | 019 is to 018 as the wheel is to a fighter jet |
| 22:49:29 | bobdaduck | what sugar is to a full made cake |
| 22:50:20 | bobdaduck | 018 is in black and white |
| 22:50:22 | bobdaduck | 019 is in color |
| 22:50:46 | bobdaduck | 018 is sound |
| 22:50:49 | bobdaduck | 019 is music |
| 22:51:36 | bobdaduck | 018 is a doodle |
| 22:51:38 | bobdaduck | 019 is art |
| 22:51:44 | Nothing_Much | o.o |
| 22:52:44 | bobdaduck | It runs like melted butter |
| 22:52:49 | raptor | gotta go! |
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| 22:53:34 | bobdaduck | Massive as a whale, yet as light as a feather |
| 22:53:49 | bobdaduck | 019 is, quite simply, the best ever. |
| 22:53:51 | bobdaduck | Of all time. |
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