#bitfighter IRC Log

IRC Log for 2013-09-16

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11:00:39 bobdaduck HELP
11:00:50 bobdaduck kaen around?
11:02:31 bobdaduck nope.  Dang
11:03:46 bobdaduck oh well.  Um, raptor?
11:06:46 kaen I'm here now bobdaduck
11:06:50 bobdaduck oh
11:07:08 bobdaduck Uh, backstory or just the facts?
11:07:15 kaen facts first
11:07:30 bobdaduck I'm trying to understand and change extrudezoneFromLine
11:07:39 bobdaduck http://pastie.org/8330713
11:07:56 kaen oh, this beast
11:08:48 bobdaduck currently it makes a diamondish shape and I want to use it to make a basic rectangle
11:10:30 kaen ok
11:14:34 kaen sorry girlfriend was making me watch "regular show" ...
11:14:39 kaen back now
11:15:26 kaen bobdaduck, the parts you need to modify are the `angleOffsetList` definition and the result[0] = ...
11:16:40 bobdaduck right
11:16:46 bobdaduck but I don't understand the math part behind it
11:16:56 kaen you don't really need to
11:17:01 kaen I wrote that function really badly, btw
11:17:20 bobdaduck hah
11:17:51 bobdaduck I don't know how to find the points mathmatically
11:18:36 kaen it would be easier to show you geometrically
11:19:07 bobdaduck twidda?
11:20:37 kaen I'm working on it
11:24:21 bobdaduck It would probably help if I gave backstory
11:25:21 bobdaduck In DnD you can, um, buy walls
11:25:23 bobdaduck but they're invisible
11:25:24 kaen ok, since this is taking a nontrivial amount of time
11:25:29 bobdaduck so I want to ring them with a line item
11:25:37 bobdaduck so people know where the wall is.
11:33:38 kaen http://www.twiddla.com/1310243
11:41:06 bobdaduck sec doing work stuff
11:43:07 raptor hey ho the merry-o
11:43:38 kaen hi raptor
11:43:43 raptor hi
11:43:56 kaen I got the polys through recast
11:44:01 raptor oh really?
11:44:06 kaen yeah, it works ok
11:44:08 kaen not great though
11:44:11 raptor if i remember right...   recast was *ugly*
11:44:42 raptor not only was it hard to hook into, but watusimoto changed it from 2d to 3d
11:44:52 kaen from 3d to 2d
11:44:56 kaen ?
11:44:57 raptor err, yes... that
11:45:03 kaen I found that out the hard way :P
11:45:41 kaen while trying to reconstruct a Vector<Vector<Point> > from a rcPolyMesh ...
11:45:51 raptor blech
11:46:02 kaen which we now have a convenient function for :P
11:46:06 kaen so
11:46:19 kaen I'm actually going to expose three new methods to lua I think
11:46:21 kaen clipPolygons
11:46:22 kaen triangulate
11:46:28 kaen mergeToConvexPolys
11:46:54 bobdaduck aha
11:46:57 kaen and if you make holes in clipPolygons, you get back the triangles
11:46:58 bobdaduck I found the original rope.levelgen
11:47:09 bobdaduck which used square links instead of diamond ones
11:47:26 kaen (if you don't make holes, clipPolygons works great)
11:47:31 raptor cool!
11:47:31 bobdaduck Still wanna understand what's going on though
11:51:34 kaen ok, well bobdaduck here's the short version: you find the direction from p1 to p2 (call it angle). for each corner you want to make, you need an angleOffset from the angleOffsetList. you find a unit vector pointing from the corner's root point (p1 or p2) in the direction of where the new point will be. You multiply that unit vector times `offset` so that it's offset away from its root, and you store the result. then, you add each result (which are cor
11:51:34 kaen nerOffsets) to the corresponding root point, and you have your new corner's position
11:53:29 kaen bobdaduck, you should try learning some vector math stuff, then this sort of thing will be simple to you
11:55:00 bobdaduck right because I can just *do* that
11:55:01 bobdaduck xD
11:55:33 bobdaduck Well I mean I can but that takes efforts and stuff
11:57:26 bobdaduck Okay so
11:57:32 bobdaduck p1 to p2 is angle
11:57:52 bobdaduck and then angleOffsetList has an angle from that angle
11:58:08 bobdaduck and then goes offset away from it
11:58:14 bobdaduck from the point that is plussed to it?
12:00:15 kaen exactly!
12:00:33 kaen cornerPos is offset away from it's root point along (angle + angleOffset)
12:01:00 kaen ^ that's the calculation being performed
12:01:08 kaen I can rewrite that function to take a number of points to use
12:01:45 bobdaduck what good would that be?
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12:02:56 kaen it might actually make it clearer
12:02:59 kaen if you don't care, I don't
12:03:00 kaen also
12:03:24 bobdaduck also!
12:03:25 kaen you could write this function once you understand the material in this vector math introduction:
12:03:26 kaen http://www.education.rec.ri.cmu.edu/roboticscurriculum/vex_online/lessons/mechanics/vector_math.pdf
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12:03:43 kaen it's 7 pages with pictures
12:03:54 kaen good pictures that actually make sense
12:04:40 bobdaduck I took physics
12:04:45 raptor wait until you get into cross products!
12:04:47 bobdaduck in high school or whatever
12:05:21 bobdaduck So like I probably know the stuff
12:05:24 bobdaduck just not A) the terms
12:05:28 bobdaduck or B) how to apply it
12:05:35 kaen that will teach you the terms and how to apply it
12:05:44 kaen it's a really good introduction/refresher
12:05:51 bobdaduck I'll take a look at it after I get back from lunch
12:06:24 kaen shows geometrically what the different vector operations mean (once you can visualize the vector math in your head, it's tons easier to think about)
12:07:05 kaen I find most of my equations by drawing rather than symbolic manipulation because it's so much easier
12:07:49 bobdaduck I still have trouble with tau
12:07:59 bobdaduck and like in your extrudegeom function you only use half a tau
12:08:02 bobdaduck so its even more confusing
12:08:13 kaen yeah, it's poorly written
12:08:29 kaen I guess you do have to know the basic trig functions to in order to do interesting things
12:08:45 kaen or at least how to make vectors with them, which is a simple equation
12:09:23 kaen I have to run an errand, I'll be back in probably an hour
12:09:36 raptor all your questions answered in one graphic:  http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/Circle-trig6.svg/338px-Circle-trig6.svg.png
12:10:26 bobdaduck I'm not clicking that
12:10:31 bobdaduck that's that circle picture, isn't it
12:10:35 raptor it's because you know what it is...
12:10:37 bobdaduck that ONE circle pic
12:10:40 raptor :)
12:10:45 bobdaduck ISN'T IT.
12:11:01 bobdaduck Ah, what the heck.  Its worth it if it answers all my questions.  *clicks*
12:11:11 raptor it brings a tear to my eye
12:11:52 bobdaduck xD
12:12:56 raptor bobdaduck: for tau:  http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3ACircle_radians_tau.gif
12:13:01 raptor this one is different i promise
12:14:19 bobdaduck WHAT EVEN.
12:14:21 bobdaduck xD
12:15:03 raptor and, of course, if you haven't read this:  http://tauday.com/tau-manifesto
12:15:06 raptor but it's long
12:15:12 raptor and mathy
12:18:04 bobdaduck I'm busy working and stuffff
12:18:23 raptor say that again with a straight face as you ask for bitfighter help...
12:18:36 raptor :)
12:18:40 bobdaduck rofl
12:19:06 bobdaduck Yeah, I recall telling someone that I'd add something to DnD if they programmed it themselves
12:19:18 bobdaduck I was quite scared that day, but I've learned to accept my fate...
12:19:25 raptor haha
12:28:31 bobdaduck kaen when you get back take a look at the twiddla
12:49:05 kaen bobdaduck, see my reply
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16:00:34 amgine123456789 sup
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16:09:50 bobdaduck hi
16:10:17 amgine123456789 bob what do you think of the music files i found
16:10:26 amgine123456789 for BF trip to blue and the other one
16:10:39 bobdaduck I didn't look at them
16:10:46 bobdaduck you had to like download or something
16:13:50 YoshiSmb hi.
16:15:49 amgine123456789 bob do you have vlc?
16:15:59 bobdaduck no
16:16:05 amgine123456789 can you get vlc?
16:16:06 bobdaduck At home but not here at work
16:16:13 bobdaduck And I don't want to download anything anyway
16:16:31 amgine123456789 i found some cool music for BF
16:16:41 YoshiSmb VLC media player?
16:16:54 bobdaduck I knwo
16:17:33 amgine123456789 yeah
16:17:33 YoshiSmb not to you bobdaduck, to amgine. :3
16:17:53 YoshiSmb i have it.
16:18:10 amgine123456789 as far as i know i cant show oyu the files wihout permission i dont think your on the dev team
16:19:09 YoshiSmb i know, just saying i got VLC, nothing more, im not asking to see the musics.
16:19:35 amgine123456789 its ver y likely they will be added to BF not garenteed though
16:19:38 bobdaduck You can show the files to whoever you want assuming your website allows it
16:19:39 YoshiSmb *SIGH*
16:20:08 amgine123456789 cookie to whoever can solve this Here's what I remember: ________d___ _________. Maybe I can remember more later!!
16:20:25 amgine123456789 somthing by somone
16:24:18 amgine123456789 cookie for the one who solves it ^_^
16:24:37 amgine123456789 the word by fits there somewhere
16:24:41 amgine123456789 by
16:24:51 amgine123456789 title by username
16:24:58 bobdaduck I have no idea.
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16:45:45 thread_ If I'm writing a bot script, how do I test it?
16:46:39 raptor /addbot <scriptname>
16:47:05 amgine123456789 raptyor what do you think of hte other music file for Bf i gave?
16:47:44 raptor i still haven't looked at them - I only have two written down here though:  http://board.net/p/bf_019_polish
16:51:41 amgine123456789 yeah those are it
16:51:51 amgine123456789 kaen me and nothing much all like them
17:04:03 amgine123456789 hey raptor i had a few ideas for the LE that i think wouldnt be to hard to do
17:04:19 Nothing_Much Hi everyone
17:04:27 amgine123456789 a save as option on the menu and a laod map option on the menu
17:04:43 Nothing_Much brb
17:05:27 amgine123456789 you can save as by renaming the file with save but thats confusing i think a save as option and a load map option would be efficent as you wouldnt have to quit LE then go back in to get to another map
17:05:41 amgine123456789 for the load option
17:14:38 thread_ hey so there isn't a lot of documentation in the lua docs for bots. is setReqLoadout() for setting a bots loadout? what parameter do I give it? a table of modules?
17:15:54 amgine123456789 Hey i added 2 new issues in the ideas section a load map and a save as option for the level editor....
17:18:19 amgine123456789 and a new map option in the level editor.
17:18:49 raptor thread_: that API is completely rewritten for 019
17:18:53 raptor and it is documented
17:19:07 raptor the loadout stuff was also mostly broken in 018
17:19:20 raptor but you can see an example of me using it in RepairBot (in the forums somewhere)
17:19:27 thread_ raptor: http://bitfighter.org/luadocs/class_robot.html only documents one method :/
17:19:31 amgine123456789 raptor if i wanted to test a song for BF would i jsut add it to the music file in BF?
17:20:00 raptor amgine123456789: yes, you can, but it needs to be a module (tracker) format or ogg format
17:20:28 raptor thread_: that has been resolved for 019 - i think it was good it wasn't documented in 018 because it was very broken anyways  :/
17:20:41 thread_ oh
17:23:48 amgine123456789 raptor robots still are unable to locate paths to flags in polywalls
17:24:02 raptor that was never a bug
17:25:04 amgine123456789 couldnt a function to have a priority of teles somkwherfe fix this perhaps if dis to flag is less then cur distance take tele?
17:25:05 raptor it is a feature that would take *a lot* of work - it involves coding in 1-way directional navigation zone joins
17:25:22 raptor no, it's a big deal
17:25:36 raptor it has to do with the auto-navigation zone creation system
17:25:44 amgine123456789 robot code is all in lua correct?
17:25:59 raptor the engine code is in c++
17:26:42 amgine123456789 erg if only it was easy as having hte game looking at hte initinal  nav zone the tele is in and seeing if it leads closer to the flag....
17:26:51 amgine123456789 a closer nav zone
17:26:56 raptor yeah, if only..
17:27:20 amgine123456789 you would have to reprogram teh whole engine to do that probably.
17:30:29 kaen >> <amgine123456789> kaen me and nothing much all like them
17:30:35 kaen has never heard them
17:30:38 amgine123456789 raptor can i try to change ships to a global varible in BF to see if that makes the bots smarter they will attack enemys on the map even if its not in sight?
17:31:04 amgine123456789 kaen try listening to those songs with vlc
17:31:11 kaen they can do that already, you don't have to change anything
17:31:18 kaen I have no computers with working audio
17:31:30 Nothing_Much kaen, wait what?!
17:31:34 Nothing_Much no speakers?
17:31:42 kaen southbridge is burnt out
17:31:42 amgine123456789 uh no take the normal Bf enemy on my build  it will hover in place if it cant see you
17:31:53 amgine123456789 on the standard Bf map
17:31:56 amgine123456789 bitmatch
17:33:12 kaen you would have to change it to use bf:findAllObjects(t, objtype)
17:33:20 kaen instead of bot:findVisibleObjects
17:34:16 kaen and s_bot is purposefully written to follow the rules of a normal player ship
17:35:15 amgine123456789 thats seems less efficent after all it is a robot
17:35:41 kaen if it can see things a player can't, then why not make it have perfect aim too?
17:35:58 kaen it would be unbeatable... so we make it miss and not see things a player couldn't
17:36:09 kaen thread_, have you seen this yet: http://aem1k.com/world/
17:36:12 amgine123456789 well its a robot it should be semi inteligent jsut not unbeatable
17:36:53 kaen that change wouldn't make it more intelligent in general (wouldn't fix the flag in a polywall stuff)
17:36:59 thread_ what is this?!? does it have a purpose
17:37:19 kaen it's a quine
17:37:21 kaen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quine_(computing)
17:37:42 kaen which also happens to be an ascii animation of the globe
17:37:59 amgine123456789 like this?  bot:bf:findAllObject)(items, ObjType.Bullet, ObjType.Seeker, ObjType.Asteroid, ObjType.Mine)
17:38:34 kaen bf:findAllObjects(items, ObjType.Bullet, ObjType.Seeker, ObjType.Asteroid, ObjType.Mine)
17:39:24 kaen amgine123456789, if you start playing with bots you have be extremely careful when you type. a single letter out of place, or backwards parenthesis, and the script won't run right (if at all)
17:40:07 amgine123456789 yeah i did that whne i tried some value changes on the shooting
17:44:40 amgine123456789 lol i made a typo so bad somwhow i caused all of BF to crash XD
17:44:47 amgine123456789 on a bot
17:45:01 amgine123456789 no c++ for me XD
17:45:40 amgine123456789 heres a idea could you add a cycle bots with tab like you can with names when sending pms
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17:50:26 thread_ bots can type messages, but can they put in commands? can I make a foobot that will "/addbot foobot"?
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17:50:57 amgine123456789 lol  a bot spamming bot
17:51:40 thread_ is it possible?
17:52:00 thread_ (I don't hesitate to ask since bob isn't here)
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17:52:40 amgine123456789 idn ask raptor
17:54:19 thread_ I have to go guys. bye
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17:59:48 amgine123456789 is there a obj.teleport?
18:06:20 amgine123456789 is it obj.tele or obj.teleport
18:07:46 kaen you just have the bot move to the teleport
18:08:19 amgine123456789 no its for something esle im working on is it obj.teleport?
18:08:24 kaen you can do obj:setPos() if you want to just move something a to point
18:09:40 amgine123456789 no its somthing esle im working on i want bots to target teleports so they will target engeneerged teles
18:10:18 kaen use ObjType.Teleport in findAllObjects
18:10:25 amgine123456789 ah ok
18:10:45 kaen hey
18:10:50 amgine123456789 its just a small fix im doing so bots dont get stuck in engenerred tele loops
18:10:57 kaen let me put up some docs for you to look at
18:11:04 amgine123456789 ok thanks
18:11:15 amgine123456789 im jsut starting to learn LUA so......
18:12:10 kaen you're using 019 for all this right?
18:12:21 amgine123456789 well a beta of 19 yes
18:12:28 kaen (you really should because lots of things changed since 018a and we're almost to the point of release)
18:12:31 kaen ok perfect
18:12:40 amgine123456789 i i think my 19 beta is outdated
18:12:56 amgine123456789 since !latest is down
18:15:01 amgine123456789 the obj.teleport gos in fireatobjects() right
18:22:38 amgine123456789 lol what i  bot killed me and i thought i saw atext pop up that said osmthing like sinarow
18:23:50 amgine123456789 test 50% sucesfull the robot killed the engeneered tele but.....
18:24:25 amgine123456789 its movement program overrided the kill tele program any way to fix it?
18:24:57 kaen don't tell it to move after you tell it to kill something?
18:25:30 amgine123456789 i put the obj.teleport in the fireatobject() maybe it should go somwhere esle?
18:26:32 kaen probably not, but fireatobject isn't a part of the api
18:26:40 kaen it's defined in the bot script
18:27:06 amgine123456789 yes im looking at the bot scrpit
18:27:13 kaen so that means 1. I don't know about it and 2. you have to figure out how to use it by reading its definition
18:28:27 amgine123456789 well im in the bot script and i got the bot to shoot the engenerrd teles but it wil move into the tele like 50 times before destroying it
18:30:51 kaen s_bot is really complicated
18:31:02 raptor gotta split!
18:31:04 kaen and bots can be really hard when you're just starting
18:31:05 raptor Quit ()
18:31:06 kaen later ra
18:31:08 kaen :<
18:31:35 Nothing_Much How's everybody right now? :D
18:32:23 amgine123456789 good
18:32:37 amgine123456789 kaen cant you buy some new speakers or use some of your super old ones?
18:33:05 Nothing_Much amgine123456789, his southbridge is fried
18:33:22 Nothing_Much meaning his sound won't work at all, even with a new sound card
18:35:13 kaen indeede
18:35:24 kaen in fact, my USB and SD card reader don't work either
18:35:47 kaen which is why I play bf with a trackpad even though I'm staring at a $60 wireless USB optical mouse
18:35:54 kaen amgine123456789, http://bitfighter.org/luadocs019/annotated.html
18:36:25 kaen especially look at Robot and LuaScriptRunner
18:36:35 kaen bot: is a Robot, bf: is a LuaScriptRunner
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19:15:46 amgine123456789 what letters can come after d as in _____de
22:50:51 amgine123456789 goodbye
22:50:59 amgine123456789 gl on BF
22:51:33 Nothing_Much g'night amgine123456789
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11:00:39	bobdaduck	HELP
11:00:50	bobdaduck	kaen around?
11:02:31	bobdaduck	nope. Dang
11:03:46	bobdaduck	oh well. Um, raptor?
11:06:46	kaen	I'm here now bobdaduck
11:06:50	bobdaduck	oh
11:07:08	bobdaduck	Uh, backstory or just the facts?
11:07:15	kaen	facts first
11:07:30	bobdaduck	I'm trying to understand and change extrudezoneFromLine
11:07:39	bobdaduck	http://pastie.org/8330713
11:07:56	kaen	oh, this beast
11:08:48	bobdaduck	currently it makes a diamondish shape and I want to use it to make a basic rectangle
11:10:30	kaen	ok
11:14:34	kaen	sorry girlfriend was making me watch "regular show" ...
11:14:39	kaen	back now
11:15:26	kaen	bobdaduck, the parts you need to modify are the `angleOffsetList` definition and the result[0] = ...
11:16:40	bobdaduck	right
11:16:46	bobdaduck	but I don't understand the math part behind it
11:16:56	kaen	you don't really need to
11:17:01	kaen	I wrote that function really badly, btw
11:17:20	bobdaduck	hah
11:17:51	bobdaduck	I don't know how to find the points mathmatically
11:18:36	kaen	it would be easier to show you geometrically
11:19:07	bobdaduck	twidda?
11:20:37	kaen	I'm working on it
11:24:21	bobdaduck	It would probably help if I gave backstory
11:25:21	bobdaduck	In DnD you can, um, buy walls
11:25:23	bobdaduck	but they're invisible
11:25:24	kaen	ok, since this is taking a nontrivial amount of time
11:25:29	bobdaduck	so I want to ring them with a line item
11:25:37	bobdaduck	so people know where the wall is.
11:33:38	kaen	http://www.twiddla.com/1310243
11:41:06	bobdaduck	sec doing work stuff
11:43:07	raptor	hey ho the merry-o
11:43:38	kaen	hi raptor
11:43:43	raptor	hi
11:43:56	kaen	I got the polys through recast
11:44:01	raptor	oh really?
11:44:06	kaen	yeah, it works ok
11:44:08	kaen	not great though
11:44:11	raptor	if i remember right... recast was ugly
11:44:42	raptor	not only was it hard to hook into, but watusimoto changed it from 2d to 3d
11:44:52	kaen	from 3d to 2d
11:44:56	kaen	?
11:44:57	raptor	err, yes... that
11:45:03	kaen	I found that out the hard way :P
11:45:41	kaen	while trying to reconstruct a Vector<Vector<Point> > from a rcPolyMesh ...
11:45:51	raptor	blech
11:46:02	kaen	which we now have a convenient function for :P
11:46:06	kaen	so
11:46:19	kaen	I'm actually going to expose three new methods to lua I think
11:46:21	kaen	clipPolygons
11:46:22	kaen	triangulate
11:46:28	kaen	mergeToConvexPolys
11:46:54	bobdaduck	aha
11:46:57	kaen	and if you make holes in clipPolygons, you get back the triangles
11:46:58	bobdaduck	I found the original rope.levelgen
11:47:09	bobdaduck	which used square links instead of diamond ones
11:47:26	kaen	(if you don't make holes, clipPolygons works great)
11:47:31	raptor	cool!
11:47:31	bobdaduck	Still wanna understand what's going on though
11:51:34	kaen	ok, well bobdaduck here's the short version: you find the direction from p1 to p2 (call it angle). for each corner you want to make, you need an angleOffset from the angleOffsetList. you find a unit vector pointing from the corner's root point (p1 or p2) in the direction of where the new point will be. You multiply that unit vector times `offset` so that it's offset away from its root, and you store the result. then, you add each result (which are cor
11:51:34	kaen	nerOffsets) to the corresponding root point, and you have your new corner's position
11:53:29	kaen	bobdaduck, you should try learning some vector math stuff, then this sort of thing will be simple to you
11:55:00	bobdaduck	right because I can just do that
11:55:01	bobdaduck	xD
11:55:33	bobdaduck	Well I mean I can but that takes efforts and stuff
11:57:26	bobdaduck	Okay so
11:57:32	bobdaduck	p1 to p2 is angle
11:57:52	bobdaduck	and then angleOffsetList has an angle from that angle
11:58:08	bobdaduck	and then goes offset away from it
11:58:14	bobdaduck	from the point that is plussed to it?
12:00:15	kaen	exactly!
12:00:33	kaen	cornerPos is offset away from it's root point along (angle + angleOffset)
12:01:00	kaen	^ that's the calculation being performed
12:01:08	kaen	I can rewrite that function to take a number of points to use
12:01:45	bobdaduck	what good would that be?
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12:02:56	kaen	it might actually make it clearer
12:02:59	kaen	if you don't care, I don't
12:03:00	kaen	also
12:03:24	bobdaduck	also!
12:03:25	kaen	you could write this function once you understand the material in this vector math introduction:
12:03:26	kaen	http://www.education.rec.ri.cmu.edu/roboticscurriculum/vex_online/lessons/mechanics/vector_math.pdf
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12:03:43	kaen	it's 7 pages with pictures
12:03:54	kaen	good pictures that actually make sense
12:04:40	bobdaduck	I took physics
12:04:45	raptor	wait until you get into cross products!
12:04:47	bobdaduck	in high school or whatever
12:05:21	bobdaduck	So like I probably know the stuff
12:05:24	bobdaduck	just not A) the terms
12:05:28	bobdaduck	or B) how to apply it
12:05:35	kaen	that will teach you the terms and how to apply it
12:05:44	kaen	it's a really good introduction/refresher
12:05:51	bobdaduck	I'll take a look at it after I get back from lunch
12:06:24	kaen	shows geometrically what the different vector operations mean (once you can visualize the vector math in your head, it's tons easier to think about)
12:07:05	kaen	I find most of my equations by drawing rather than symbolic manipulation because it's so much easier
12:07:49	bobdaduck	I still have trouble with tau
12:07:59	bobdaduck	and like in your extrudegeom function you only use half a tau
12:08:02	bobdaduck	so its even more confusing
12:08:13	kaen	yeah, it's poorly written
12:08:29	kaen	I guess you do have to know the basic trig functions to in order to do interesting things
12:08:45	kaen	or at least how to make vectors with them, which is a simple equation
12:09:23	kaen	I have to run an errand, I'll be back in probably an hour
12:09:36	raptor	all your questions answered in one graphic: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/Circle-trig6.svg/338px-Circle-trig6.svg.png
12:10:26	bobdaduck	I'm not clicking that
12:10:31	bobdaduck	that's that circle picture, isn't it
12:10:35	raptor	it's because you know what it is...
12:10:37	bobdaduck	that ONE circle pic
12:10:40	raptor	:)
12:10:45	bobdaduck	ISN'T IT.
12:11:01	bobdaduck	Ah, what the heck. Its worth it if it answers all my questions. clicks
12:11:11	raptor	it brings a tear to my eye
12:11:52	bobdaduck	xD
12:12:56	raptor	bobdaduck: for tau: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3ACircle_radians_tau.gif
12:13:01	raptor	this one is different i promise
12:14:19	bobdaduck	WHAT EVEN.
12:14:21	bobdaduck	xD
12:15:03	raptor	and, of course, if you haven't read this: http://tauday.com/tau-manifesto
12:15:06	raptor	but it's long
12:15:12	raptor	and mathy
12:18:04	bobdaduck	I'm busy working and stuffff
12:18:23	raptor	say that again with a straight face as you ask for bitfighter help...
12:18:36	raptor	:)
12:18:40	bobdaduck	rofl
12:19:06	bobdaduck	Yeah, I recall telling someone that I'd add something to DnD if they programmed it themselves
12:19:18	bobdaduck	I was quite scared that day, but I've learned to accept my fate...
12:19:25	raptor	haha
12:28:31	bobdaduck	kaen when you get back take a look at the twiddla
12:49:05	kaen	bobdaduck, see my reply
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16:00:34	amgine123456789	sup
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16:09:50	bobdaduck	hi
16:10:17	amgine123456789	bob what do you think of the music files i found
16:10:26	amgine123456789	for BF trip to blue and the other one
16:10:39	bobdaduck	I didn't look at them
16:10:46	bobdaduck	you had to like download or something
16:13:50	YoshiSmb	hi.
16:15:49	amgine123456789	bob do you have vlc?
16:15:59	bobdaduck	no
16:16:05	amgine123456789	can you get vlc?
16:16:06	bobdaduck	At home but not here at work
16:16:13	bobdaduck	And I don't want to download anything anyway
16:16:31	amgine123456789	i found some cool music for BF
16:16:41	YoshiSmb	VLC media player?
16:16:54	bobdaduck	I knwo
16:17:33	amgine123456789	yeah
16:17:33	YoshiSmb	not to you bobdaduck, to amgine. :3
16:17:53	YoshiSmb	i have it.
16:18:10	amgine123456789	as far as i know i cant show oyu the files wihout permission i dont think your on the dev team
16:19:09	YoshiSmb	i know, just saying i got VLC, nothing more, im not asking to see the musics.
16:19:35	amgine123456789	its ver y likely they will be added to BF not garenteed though
16:19:38	bobdaduck	You can show the files to whoever you want assuming your website allows it
16:19:39		YoshiSmb SIGH
16:20:08	amgine123456789	cookie to whoever can solve this Here's what I remember: ________d___ _________. Maybe I can remember more later!!
16:20:25	amgine123456789	somthing by somone
16:24:18	amgine123456789	cookie for the one who solves it ^_^
16:24:37	amgine123456789	the word by fits there somewhere
16:24:41	amgine123456789	by
16:24:51	amgine123456789	title by username
16:24:58	bobdaduck	I have no idea.
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16:45:45	thread_	If I'm writing a bot script, how do I test it?
16:46:39	raptor	/addbot <scriptname>
16:47:05	amgine123456789	raptyor what do you think of hte other music file for Bf i gave?
16:47:44	raptor	i still haven't looked at them - I only have two written down here though: http://board.net/p/bf_019_polish
16:51:41	amgine123456789	yeah those are it
16:51:51	amgine123456789	kaen me and nothing much all like them
17:04:03	amgine123456789	hey raptor i had a few ideas for the LE that i think wouldnt be to hard to do
17:04:19	Nothing_Much	Hi everyone
17:04:27	amgine123456789	a save as option on the menu and a laod map option on the menu
17:04:43	Nothing_Much	brb
17:05:27	amgine123456789	you can save as by renaming the file with save but thats confusing i think a save as option and a load map option would be efficent as you wouldnt have to quit LE then go back in to get to another map
17:05:41	amgine123456789	for the load option
17:14:38	thread_	hey so there isn't a lot of documentation in the lua docs for bots. is setReqLoadout() for setting a bots loadout? what parameter do I give it? a table of modules?
17:15:54	amgine123456789	Hey i added 2 new issues in the ideas section a load map and a save as option for the level editor....
17:18:19	amgine123456789	and a new map option in the level editor.
17:18:49	raptor	thread_: that API is completely rewritten for 019
17:18:53	raptor	and it is documented
17:19:07	raptor	the loadout stuff was also mostly broken in 018
17:19:20	raptor	but you can see an example of me using it in RepairBot (in the forums somewhere)
17:19:27	thread_	raptor: http://bitfighter.org/luadocs/class_robot.html only documents one method :/
17:19:31	amgine123456789	raptor if i wanted to test a song for BF would i jsut add it to the music file in BF?
17:20:00	raptor	amgine123456789: yes, you can, but it needs to be a module (tracker) format or ogg format
17:20:28	raptor	thread_: that has been resolved for 019 - i think it was good it wasn't documented in 018 because it was very broken anyways :/
17:20:41	thread_	oh
17:23:48	amgine123456789	raptor robots still are unable to locate paths to flags in polywalls
17:24:02	raptor	that was never a bug
17:25:04	amgine123456789	couldnt a function to have a priority of teles somkwherfe fix this perhaps if dis to flag is less then cur distance take tele?
17:25:05	raptor	it is a feature that would take a lot of work - it involves coding in 1-way directional navigation zone joins
17:25:22	raptor	no, it's a big deal
17:25:36	raptor	it has to do with the auto-navigation zone creation system
17:25:44	amgine123456789	robot code is all in lua correct?
17:25:59	raptor	the engine code is in c++
17:26:42	amgine123456789	erg if only it was easy as having hte game looking at hte initinal nav zone the tele is in and seeing if it leads closer to the flag....
17:26:51	amgine123456789	a closer nav zone
17:26:56	raptor	yeah, if only..
17:27:20	amgine123456789	you would have to reprogram teh whole engine to do that probably.
17:30:29	kaen	>> <amgine123456789> kaen me and nothing much all like them
17:30:35		kaen has never heard them
17:30:38	amgine123456789	raptor can i try to change ships to a global varible in BF to see if that makes the bots smarter they will attack enemys on the map even if its not in sight?
17:31:04	amgine123456789	kaen try listening to those songs with vlc
17:31:11	kaen	they can do that already, you don't have to change anything
17:31:18	kaen	I have no computers with working audio
17:31:30	Nothing_Much	kaen, wait what?!
17:31:34	Nothing_Much	no speakers?
17:31:42	kaen	southbridge is burnt out
17:31:42	amgine123456789	uh no take the normal Bf enemy on my build it will hover in place if it cant see you
17:31:53	amgine123456789	on the standard Bf map
17:31:56	amgine123456789	bitmatch
17:33:12	kaen	you would have to change it to use bf:findAllObjects(t, objtype)
17:33:20	kaen	instead of bot:findVisibleObjects
17:34:16	kaen	and s_bot is purposefully written to follow the rules of a normal player ship
17:35:15	amgine123456789	thats seems less efficent after all it is a robot
17:35:41	kaen	if it can see things a player can't, then why not make it have perfect aim too?
17:35:58	kaen	it would be unbeatable... so we make it miss and not see things a player couldn't
17:36:09	kaen	thread_, have you seen this yet: http://aem1k.com/world/
17:36:12	amgine123456789	well its a robot it should be semi inteligent jsut not unbeatable
17:36:53	kaen	that change wouldn't make it more intelligent in general (wouldn't fix the flag in a polywall stuff)
17:36:59	thread_	what is this?!? does it have a purpose
17:37:19	kaen	it's a quine
17:37:21	kaen	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quine_(computing)
17:37:42	kaen	which also happens to be an ascii animation of the globe
17:37:59	amgine123456789	like this? bot:bf:findAllObject)(items, ObjType.Bullet, ObjType.Seeker, ObjType.Asteroid, ObjType.Mine)
17:38:34	kaen	bf:findAllObjects(items, ObjType.Bullet, ObjType.Seeker, ObjType.Asteroid, ObjType.Mine)
17:39:24	kaen	amgine123456789, if you start playing with bots you have be extremely careful when you type. a single letter out of place, or backwards parenthesis, and the script won't run right (if at all)
17:40:07	amgine123456789	yeah i did that whne i tried some value changes on the shooting
17:44:40	amgine123456789	lol i made a typo so bad somwhow i caused all of BF to crash XD
17:44:47	amgine123456789	on a bot
17:45:01	amgine123456789	no c++ for me XD
17:45:40	amgine123456789	heres a idea could you add a cycle bots with tab like you can with names when sending pms
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17:50:26	thread_	bots can type messages, but can they put in commands? can I make a foobot that will "/addbot foobot"?
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17:50:57	amgine123456789	lol a bot spamming bot
17:51:40	thread_	is it possible?
17:52:00	thread_	(I don't hesitate to ask since bob isn't here)
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17:52:40	amgine123456789	idn ask raptor
17:54:19	thread_	I have to go guys. bye
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17:59:48	amgine123456789	is there a obj.teleport?
18:06:20	amgine123456789	is it obj.tele or obj.teleport
18:07:46	kaen	you just have the bot move to the teleport
18:08:19	amgine123456789	no its for something esle im working on is it obj.teleport?
18:08:24	kaen	you can do obj:setPos() if you want to just move something a to point
18:09:40	amgine123456789	no its somthing esle im working on i want bots to target teleports so they will target engeneerged teles
18:10:18	kaen	use ObjType.Teleport in findAllObjects
18:10:25	amgine123456789	ah ok
18:10:45	kaen	hey
18:10:50	amgine123456789	its just a small fix im doing so bots dont get stuck in engenerred tele loops
18:10:57	kaen	let me put up some docs for you to look at
18:11:04	amgine123456789	ok thanks
18:11:15	amgine123456789	im jsut starting to learn LUA so......
18:12:10	kaen	you're using 019 for all this right?
18:12:21	amgine123456789	well a beta of 19 yes
18:12:28	kaen	(you really should because lots of things changed since 018a and we're almost to the point of release)
18:12:31	kaen	ok perfect
18:12:40	amgine123456789	i i think my 19 beta is outdated
18:12:56	amgine123456789	since !latest is down
18:15:01	amgine123456789	the obj.teleport gos in fireatobjects() right
18:22:38	amgine123456789	lol what i bot killed me and i thought i saw atext pop up that said osmthing like sinarow
18:23:50	amgine123456789	test 50% sucesfull the robot killed the engeneered tele but.....
18:24:25	amgine123456789	its movement program overrided the kill tele program any way to fix it?
18:24:57	kaen	don't tell it to move after you tell it to kill something?
18:25:30	amgine123456789	i put the obj.teleport in the fireatobject() maybe it should go somwhere esle?
18:26:32	kaen	probably not, but fireatobject isn't a part of the api
18:26:40	kaen	it's defined in the bot script
18:27:06	amgine123456789	yes im looking at the bot scrpit
18:27:13	kaen	so that means 1. I don't know about it and 2. you have to figure out how to use it by reading its definition
18:28:27	amgine123456789	well im in the bot script and i got the bot to shoot the engenerrd teles but it wil move into the tele like 50 times before destroying it
18:30:51	kaen	s_bot is really complicated
18:31:02	raptor	gotta split!
18:31:04	kaen	and bots can be really hard when you're just starting
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18:31:06	kaen	later ra
18:31:08	kaen	:<
18:31:35	Nothing_Much	How's everybody right now? :D
18:32:23	amgine123456789	good
18:32:37	amgine123456789	kaen cant you buy some new speakers or use some of your super old ones?
18:33:05	Nothing_Much	amgine123456789, his southbridge is fried
18:33:22	Nothing_Much	meaning his sound won't work at all, even with a new sound card
18:35:13	kaen	indeede
18:35:24	kaen	in fact, my USB and SD card reader don't work either
18:35:47	kaen	which is why I play bf with a trackpad even though I'm staring at a $60 wireless USB optical mouse
18:35:54	kaen	amgine123456789, http://bitfighter.org/luadocs019/annotated.html
18:36:25	kaen	especially look at Robot and LuaScriptRunner
18:36:35	kaen	bot: is a Robot, bf: is a LuaScriptRunner
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19:15:46	amgine123456789	what letters can come after d as in _____de
22:50:51	amgine123456789	goodbye
22:50:59	amgine123456789	gl on BF
22:51:33	Nothing_Much	g'night amgine123456789
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