#bitfighter IRC Log

IRC Log for 2013-10-02

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00:16:43 fordcars night guys, off to bed!
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09:43:19 raptor good morning!
09:46:38 bobdaduck Good morning
09:47:20 raptor bobdaduck: did watusimoto say you could adjust the MOTD?
09:47:27 bobdaduck yeah
09:47:29 watusimoto yes, he did
09:47:33 bobdaduck but he doesn't know the user/pass
09:47:40 watusimoto but he couldn't find the .htpaswd file
09:47:44 raptor that's probably because there is no .htpasswd
09:47:44 watusimoto or whatever it's called
09:47:53 watusimoto that was my conclusion as well, but I wasn't sure
09:48:06 raptor also bobdaduck, others; new windows build:  ftp://ftp.novell.com/outgoing/bitfighter-019-beta-8199-71eaf1b5d814.zip
09:48:07 watusimoto but yes, I think bobdaduck should edit the motd -- someone  has to
09:48:13 raptor ok
09:48:24 raptor I honestly don't remember the old password...
09:48:27 raptor or user..
09:50:41 watusimoto nor I.  I have to go, but I can help out later on this if need be.  Also I have a new idea for a web site design which I'll try to get mocked up later
09:50:46 watusimoto bye!
09:52:06 raptor bye..  it was just Basic Auth, right?
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10:01:21 raptor bwahahaha
10:01:26 raptor bobdaduck: ready to test?
10:01:37 bobdaduck test the new 019 you just gave me?
10:01:39 raptor http://bitfighter.org/motd/
10:02:44 raptor I've actually never seen this page before
10:03:32 raptor I think I build the master to rescan the motd every 30 seconds or so
10:04:54 raptor so if you update it, wait a bit, then open up a new game
10:05:06 raptor tell me if/when you do, i want to make sure it works...
10:05:30 bobdaduck GUESS WHAT
10:05:43 bobdaduck FRIENDLY SPY BUGS LETS YOU SURVEIL THE AREA.
10:05:53 raptor ?
10:06:52 raptor I think it's been like 5 years or more since I've used basic auth with apache in this manner
10:06:55 bobdaduck in the instructions
10:06:58 bobdaduck which look really good
10:07:18 raptor yeah, watusimoto did a good job
10:07:37 bobdaduck but friendly spybugs
10:07:42 bobdaduck lets you surveil the area.
10:07:50 bobdaduck okay, I've attempted to update the motd.
10:07:57 raptor https://www.google.com/search?q=surveil&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
10:08:20 raptor ok
10:08:20 bobdaduck lol
10:08:33 bobdaduck it brought me to a blank page called savemotd.
10:08:38 bobdaduck and nothing seems to have happened
10:08:40 raptor haha
10:08:41 raptor it worked
10:08:59 bobdaduck not on my client!
10:09:04 raptor restart your client
10:09:08 bobdaduck the new bitfighter 019 just says welcome to bitfighter.
10:09:40 raptor the client doesn't have a repeating motd updater built in
10:09:53 bobdaduck uh, okay
10:11:00 bobdaduck I'll change it to something serious in a sec.
10:13:08 bobdaduck xDD
10:13:12 bobdaduck raptor's world?
10:13:26 raptor yeah..  I'm fixing the response page...
10:17:03 raptor ok, response page fixed
10:18:25 bobdaduck cool
10:23:46 raptor OK, I changed it back to 'Welcom to Bitfighter!'
10:23:50 raptor *Welcome
10:23:56 raptor so it's all yours!
10:24:07 bobdaduck hah, okay
10:24:46 raptor yay math.tau
10:25:50 bobdaduck math.tau
10:26:01 raptor now available in 019 Lua scripts!
10:26:04 bobdaduck lol
10:26:05 bobdaduck yayy
10:27:42 kaen I use tau so much
10:27:49 kaen that I just do local T = math.tau now
10:28:40 raptor welcome kaen
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10:29:24 kaen morning
10:33:09 bobdaduck goodmorning
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11:09:21 raptor kaboomtastic9000 is online!
11:14:12 bobdaduck what?
11:14:14 bobdaduck oh.
11:14:15 bobdaduck xD
11:17:00 kaen wow. I just read an infographic that referred to people who use both vim and emacs as "ambitextrous"
11:17:05 kaen genius.
11:17:40 raptor show me
11:18:05 raptor bobdaduck: I really like the 'Gladiators' server - it's one of my favorites
11:19:15 kaen http://sachachua.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/How-to-Learn-Emacs-v2-Large.png
11:19:26 kaen the graphic itself is actually pretty lame
11:19:32 kaen I just told you about the best part :P
11:19:49 raptor hah, ok
11:19:53 raptor wow, there's a lot..
11:45:17 raptor question:  In Lua, fastest way to split a comma-delimited list, with possible whitespace around commas?
11:45:26 raptor I know I've written something like this for bobdaduck before...
11:45:59 bobdaduck yeah kinda?
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12:18:50 raptor I'm stuck trying to implement the fastest string split function in Lua...  but there's now way to get milliseconds
12:26:38 bobdaduck all the times are in milliseconds?
12:27:48 raptor in seconds.... which isn't precise enough
12:28:04 bobdaduck but like everything I've ever done has been in milliseconds
12:28:11 bobdaduck heading to lunch bye
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12:31:21 Watusimoto can you write a hook into the bf code to use its get milliseconds?
12:33:09 Watusimoto I can't beleive lua can't get milliseconds
12:34:11 Watusimoto http://stackoverflow.com/questions/463101/lua-current-time-in-milliseconds
12:34:14 Watusimoto you are not alone
12:36:04 BFLogBot Commit: 917dca20608a | Author: watusimoto  | Message: Fix teleporter geometry propagation bug, includes full test coverage proving fix works and otherwise testing teleporter geom propagation.  Also alters the effects of modifying teleporter geom from lua scripts.
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13:30:53 bobdaduck okay I'm back
13:30:58 bobdaduck how may I save your day?
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14:06:29 Little_Apple bobdaduck: levels!
14:06:39 bobdaduck hmm?
14:07:12 Little_Apple i have some levels if yer thing
14:07:17 Little_Apple er.. for..
14:07:21 bobdaduck ah yes.
14:07:25 Little_Apple where did that if come from.
14:10:20 raptor Little_Apple: I fixed yer thinky
14:10:23 raptor *thingy
14:10:25 Little_Apple oh right!
14:10:31 Little_Apple i need to get that...
14:10:31 raptor can you confirm?
14:10:38 Little_Apple one second..
14:10:40 raptor whenever is fine
14:10:54 raptor I get to code Lua for work!
14:11:07 raptor this is great!  all the countless bitfighter hours have paid off in the real world...
14:11:48 Little_Apple woohoo!
14:12:02 bobdaduck what?
14:12:05 bobdaduck xD
14:12:06 Little_Apple bobdaduck: sent!
14:13:10 Little_Apple hey! it works!
14:13:22 bobdaduck cool
14:13:44 Little_Apple are the levels ok bob?
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14:14:38 bobdaduck I'll look at them in a bit...
14:14:51 Little_Apple kk
14:14:52 bobdaduck I don't think I have the server's regular levels on my thumb drive
14:15:19 Little_Apple raptor: could the notifier make a little noise as well?
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14:27:31 Little_Apple welcome!
14:50:11 raptor Little_Apple: does that mean it works?
14:50:17 Little_Apple yep!
14:50:20 raptor hooray!
14:50:48 Little_Apple its like the annoying updates banner from the mac app store that i cant turn off!
14:51:02 Little_Apple except it only stays around for a few seconds!
14:51:10 raptor :)
14:51:23 raptor it's much worse on osx 10.7 or earlier
14:51:32 Little_Apple woo
14:52:04 Little_Apple does it give you a popup?
14:53:03 Little_Apple oop.. gotta go...
14:53:09 Little_Apple blorp
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14:53:13 raptor it does, and stops the whole system
14:53:18 raptor and...  good bye
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15:26:57 raptor Watusimoto: I had an idea
15:27:17 raptor regarding friendly fire (since that seems to keep coming up)
15:27:33 raptor what if we made it a server option
15:28:03 bobdaduck We should also make turrets a server option
15:28:05 bobdaduck and loadout zones
15:28:14 raptor we'd have to default to all or nothing, I think, to keep it consistent
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15:28:31 bobdaduck Global friendly fire I guess I can see
15:28:38 raptor bobdaduck: you're not helping your case by being snarky!
15:28:43 raptor :)
15:28:59 bobdaduck So there is a server where you're allowed to rage-kill your teamates, and another where you aren't?
15:29:21 raptor that would be a consequence, yes
15:30:10 bobdaduck BUT WITHOUT MY SNARK
15:30:12 bobdaduck I MIGHT DIE.
15:30:23 raptor friendly fire would be all or nothing:  kill/killed by teammates/turrets...  or not
15:30:50 bobdaduck I feel like everyone would be opposed to that, but I guess it doesn't matter too much at this point.
15:30:59 raptor anyways it was a thought..  which I don't remember discussing (but I have become braindead recently)
15:40:34 Watusimoto hey there
15:40:38 Watusimoto working on a web design
15:40:52 raptor runaway!
15:41:08 Watusimoto friendly fire only keeps coming up because bobdaduck keeps brinigng it up!  :-)
15:41:19 raptor ah ok
15:41:38 Watusimoto I don't care for the server option option
15:41:44 raptor ok
15:41:48 Watusimoto I think they should just work one way or the other
15:42:03 raptor honestly I was thinking of UT2004 at the time, and I remembered it havnig that option
15:42:12 bobdaduck OR WE COULD
15:42:16 Watusimoto so let's just make sure we understand the issue
15:42:20 bobdaduck Try it and see!
15:42:24 Watusimoto turrets do not target friendly players
15:42:35 raptor nope
15:42:39 Watusimoto will they fire at a target if the friendly player is in the way?
15:42:46 raptor nope
15:42:48 bobdaduck supposedly no
15:42:54 bobdaduck but in my experiments
15:42:57 bobdaduck you will still get hit
15:42:59 Watusimoto but if you fly into the bullets you are nailed
15:43:01 raptor but nothing stops the player from moving into an already-fired shot!
15:43:18 Watusimoto so the question is simply should the ship be damaged in that situation
15:43:37 Watusimoto is that correct
15:43:37 raptor I think?
15:43:38 Watusimoto ?
15:43:43 bobdaduck yes
15:43:44 Watusimoto bobdaduck: is that correct
15:43:46 Watusimoto ok
15:43:50 bobdaduck Also shooting your own turrets
15:44:22 bobdaduck I had a room full of resource items and turrets because of engineer and without moving, I would still get shot occasionally by the turrets.
15:44:43 bobdaduck Fun fact:  if you make a resource item in levelgen and set it to have a team, turrets of that team won't shoot at it.
15:46:26 raptor hahaha
15:46:36 bobdaduck actually super useful in DnD
15:47:29 Watusimoto so... what if we made it so you can't damage your own turrets, but they could still kill you?
15:47:34 raptor Watusimoto: actually, I think we may have a possible logic error in turret targeting
15:47:46 Watusimoto logic error????
15:47:50 Watusimoto impossible!
15:48:23 Watusimoto I'll have the sample web page ready tonight, I think
15:48:31 Watusimoto agh!  midnight already!!!
15:48:46 raptor if a resource is going to move behind you, and a turret is about to fire at it
15:49:02 raptor but you are currently not in the path of directly line from turret-to-resource
15:49:29 raptor the turret will auto-aim to match the movement of the resource, and fire straight through you
15:49:37 raptor *team turret
15:49:40 Watusimoto ah, interesting
15:49:40 bobdaduck If we made it so you can't damage your own turrets but they can damage you
15:49:45 raptor I think that is what bobdaduck is saying
15:49:53 bobdaduck I will stop making levels with turrets unless they are hostile-to-all
15:50:11 bobdaduck because from my current point of view all turrets are hostile to all to me.
15:50:35 bobdaduck The reason I care about this is because my own turrets are better at killing me than enemy players are and that's not okay.
15:51:50 raptor that means the devs are better at killing you with code, than with their reflexes  :)
15:52:21 bobdaduck I'm... I'm not sure that's what it means...
15:56:42 Watusimoto what if we fixed the targeting bug so they would not fire on you as much?
15:57:36 Watusimoto hey, what's our twatter feed?
15:57:40 fordcars Wait, we need to be able to shoot our own turrets!!!!
15:58:21 bobdaduck BECAUSE ENGINER.
15:58:46 fordcars twatter.com haha
15:58:58 bobdaduck its @playbitfighter.
15:59:08 bobdaduck I can give you the password and stuff if you want
16:02:31 raptor for a moment I had thought kaen might have fixed that possible turret targeting bug, but I can't find a commit log on it
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16:17:00 Watusimoto raptor, to get a web page to work, I put it in /var/www/xyz and access it via http://bitfighter.org/xyz/sss, right?
16:17:15 raptor /var/www/html/
16:17:17 Watusimoto where sss is the name of the file
16:17:34 raptor the 'html' folder corresponds as the root
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16:17:40 Watusimoto works
16:17:58 Watusimoto so the page is up
16:18:07 Watusimoto none of the links work (well most anyway)
16:18:10 raptor tell me about this page
16:18:12 Watusimoto and it's pretty ugly
16:18:18 Watusimoto but it will give you the idea of this concept
16:18:24 Watusimoto 4 sections
16:18:32 Watusimoto 1 is our what's up with bitfighter section
16:18:47 Watusimoto 2 is a set of screen shots with a slideshow widget not yet implemented
16:18:48 raptor do you have the link?
16:18:52 Watusimoto yes
16:19:01 Watusimoto 3 is the downloads section
16:19:10 Watusimoto and 4 is the join the bitfighter b0rg section
16:19:11 Watusimoto http://bitfighter.org/bitjunk/index.html
16:21:53 Watusimoto I have an idea for a background graphic for one of the other sections... basically black or near black with a bunch of 1s and 0s lined up like binary codes in very dark gray
16:21:55 raptor oh neat
16:22:03 Watusimoto to give a textured feel more than anything
16:22:13 raptor so each section
16:22:29 raptor would you click on them and it'd take you to a page with more items on it?
16:22:33 Watusimoto no
16:22:53 Watusimoto we could put links to a wiki page or something if we wanted more info
16:23:10 Watusimoto so like a full release history, for example, or whatever
16:23:28 Watusimoto there would really only be this one page
16:23:35 Watusimoto plus the wiki plus the forums
16:23:51 Watusimoto maybe plus a page with the irc widget
16:24:26 Watusimoto it got crapper as I went down because i am getting tired and I hate web coding
16:24:33 raptor so for section 1, how would we show multiple news items?
16:25:05 Watusimoto we would just list one or two things there
16:25:14 raptor and could people access the others?
16:25:36 Watusimoto no
16:25:59 Watusimoto but the reality is we don't really do news much
16:26:15 Watusimoto and to edit this it would have to be raw html
16:26:22 Watusimoto no cms, no web interface
16:26:25 Watusimoto just the code
16:26:49 Watusimoto so it's just a proposal, something different than what we've been looking at/doing
16:27:01 Watusimoto with a very trendy design
16:27:41 Watusimoto and we'd need to put the player widget on there somewhere
16:27:50 raptor so you are thinking about ditching a CMS entirely
16:28:18 Watusimoto that's the idea with this design
16:28:35 Watusimoto it's an option
16:28:49 raptor ok
16:28:57 Watusimoto we'd have to really look at what we are using the cms for now, and whether we really need it
16:29:03 raptor yeah
16:29:15 Watusimoto it's currently mostly just for updating stuff on the front page and the releases page
16:29:32 Watusimoto and for releases, we mostly just use it to insert html
16:30:04 raptor Well I think I like it - but it seems like it'd be nice to keep an archive of news items.  Also Wordpress would provide hooks to post to social media, and have RSS feeds available
16:30:04 fordcars later!
16:30:09 Watusimoto later
16:30:27 Watusimoto we'd also need to put the ships on there somewhere (from current home page)
16:31:06 Watusimoto the rss feed is not terribly useful if nothing is ever fed into it, no?
16:31:21 raptor news of new releases
16:31:29 Watusimoto but going this route would mean no plugins, more manual work, etc.
16:31:42 Watusimoto but balancing that is no upgrades
16:31:42 raptor yes
16:31:51 Watusimoto no cms management
16:32:45 Watusimoto so anyway... think about it; maybe we don't go with this, but maybe it stimulates other thoughts
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16:34:41 raptor ok
16:34:48 raptor i'd like kaen's thoughts, too
16:34:53 raptor but I have to go
16:34:56 Watusimoto yes, of course
16:34:57 raptor so good night!
16:35:10 Watusimoto I'm sure we'll get feedback from bobdaduck as well
16:35:21 Watusimoto he usually has an opinion about... everything!
16:35:32 Watusimoto my wife was luke-warm on it
16:35:33 raptor oh yes, one of the constants in the universe
16:35:52 Watusimoto though I did not show her new and old side-by-side
16:37:27 Watusimoto bye then
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17:50:26 amgine123456789 hello whats up
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20:49:11 fordcars Time to make PiFighter
20:49:16 fordcars Brb
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21:02:03 fordcars_pi Uh, how do I get the source of the latest SDL2?
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21:22:50 fordcars_pi Uh, kaen, If I want to install sdl2 for Bitfighter, which one is it?
21:22:53 fordcars_pi .dev?
21:28:06 fordcars_pi ohhhhhhhh blarghgrg
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00:16:43	fordcars	night guys, off to bed!
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09:43:19	raptor	good morning!
09:46:38	bobdaduck	Good morning
09:47:20	raptor	bobdaduck: did watusimoto say you could adjust the MOTD?
09:47:27	bobdaduck	yeah
09:47:29	watusimoto	yes, he did
09:47:33	bobdaduck	but he doesn't know the user/pass
09:47:40	watusimoto	but he couldn't find the .htpaswd file
09:47:44	raptor	that's probably because there is no .htpasswd
09:47:44	watusimoto	or whatever it's called
09:47:53	watusimoto	that was my conclusion as well, but I wasn't sure
09:48:06	raptor	also bobdaduck, others; new windows build: ftp://ftp.novell.com/outgoing/bitfighter-019-beta-8199-71eaf1b5d814.zip
09:48:07	watusimoto	but yes, I think bobdaduck should edit the motd -- someone has to
09:48:13	raptor	ok
09:48:24	raptor	I honestly don't remember the old password...
09:48:27	raptor	or user..
09:50:41	watusimoto	nor I. I have to go, but I can help out later on this if need be. Also I have a new idea for a web site design which I'll try to get mocked up later
09:50:46	watusimoto	bye!
09:52:06	raptor	bye.. it was just Basic Auth, right?
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10:01:21	raptor	bwahahaha
10:01:26	raptor	bobdaduck: ready to test?
10:01:37	bobdaduck	test the new 019 you just gave me?
10:01:39	raptor	http://bitfighter.org/motd/
10:02:44	raptor	I've actually never seen this page before
10:03:32	raptor	I think I build the master to rescan the motd every 30 seconds or so
10:04:54	raptor	so if you update it, wait a bit, then open up a new game
10:05:06	raptor	tell me if/when you do, i want to make sure it works...
10:05:30	bobdaduck	GUESS WHAT
10:05:43	bobdaduck	FRIENDLY SPY BUGS LETS YOU SURVEIL THE AREA.
10:05:53	raptor	?
10:06:52	raptor	I think it's been like 5 years or more since I've used basic auth with apache in this manner
10:06:55	bobdaduck	in the instructions
10:06:58	bobdaduck	which look really good
10:07:18	raptor	yeah, watusimoto did a good job
10:07:37	bobdaduck	but friendly spybugs
10:07:42	bobdaduck	lets you surveil the area.
10:07:50	bobdaduck	okay, I've attempted to update the motd.
10:07:57	raptor	https://www.google.com/search?q=surveil&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
10:08:20	raptor	ok
10:08:20	bobdaduck	lol
10:08:33	bobdaduck	it brought me to a blank page called savemotd.
10:08:38	bobdaduck	and nothing seems to have happened
10:08:40	raptor	haha
10:08:41	raptor	it worked
10:08:59	bobdaduck	not on my client!
10:09:04	raptor	restart your client
10:09:08	bobdaduck	the new bitfighter 019 just says welcome to bitfighter.
10:09:40	raptor	the client doesn't have a repeating motd updater built in
10:09:53	bobdaduck	uh, okay
10:11:00	bobdaduck	I'll change it to something serious in a sec.
10:13:08	bobdaduck	xDD
10:13:12	bobdaduck	raptor's world?
10:13:26	raptor	yeah.. I'm fixing the response page...
10:17:03	raptor	ok, response page fixed
10:18:25	bobdaduck	cool
10:23:46	raptor	OK, I changed it back to 'Welcom to Bitfighter!'
10:23:50	raptor	*Welcome
10:23:56	raptor	so it's all yours!
10:24:07	bobdaduck	hah, okay
10:24:46	raptor	yay math.tau
10:25:50	bobdaduck	math.tau
10:26:01	raptor	now available in 019 Lua scripts!
10:26:04	bobdaduck	lol
10:26:05	bobdaduck	yayy
10:27:42	kaen	I use tau so much
10:27:49	kaen	that I just do local T = math.tau now
10:28:40	raptor	welcome kaen
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10:29:24	kaen	morning
10:33:09	bobdaduck	goodmorning
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11:09:21	raptor	kaboomtastic9000 is online!
11:14:12	bobdaduck	what?
11:14:14	bobdaduck	oh.
11:14:15	bobdaduck	xD
11:17:00	kaen	wow. I just read an infographic that referred to people who use both vim and emacs as "ambitextrous"
11:17:05	kaen	genius.
11:17:40	raptor	show me
11:18:05	raptor	bobdaduck: I really like the 'Gladiators' server - it's one of my favorites
11:19:15	kaen	http://sachachua.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/How-to-Learn-Emacs-v2-Large.png
11:19:26	kaen	the graphic itself is actually pretty lame
11:19:32	kaen	I just told you about the best part :P
11:19:49	raptor	hah, ok
11:19:53	raptor	wow, there's a lot..
11:45:17	raptor	question: In Lua, fastest way to split a comma-delimited list, with possible whitespace around commas?
11:45:26	raptor	I know I've written something like this for bobdaduck before...
11:45:59	bobdaduck	yeah kinda?
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12:18:50	raptor	I'm stuck trying to implement the fastest string split function in Lua... but there's now way to get milliseconds
12:26:38	bobdaduck	all the times are in milliseconds?
12:27:48	raptor	in seconds.... which isn't precise enough
12:28:04	bobdaduck	but like everything I've ever done has been in milliseconds
12:28:11	bobdaduck	heading to lunch bye
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12:31:21	Watusimoto	can you write a hook into the bf code to use its get milliseconds?
12:33:09	Watusimoto	I can't beleive lua can't get milliseconds
12:34:11	Watusimoto	http://stackoverflow.com/questions/463101/lua-current-time-in-milliseconds
12:34:14	Watusimoto	you are not alone
12:36:04		BFLogBot Commit: 917dca20608a \| Author: watusimoto \| Message: Fix teleporter geometry propagation bug, includes full test coverage proving fix works and otherwise testing teleporter geom propagation. Also alters the effects of modifying teleporter geom from lua scripts.
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13:30:53	bobdaduck	okay I'm back
13:30:58	bobdaduck	how may I save your day?
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14:06:29	Little_Apple	bobdaduck: levels!
14:06:39	bobdaduck	hmm?
14:07:12	Little_Apple	i have some levels if yer thing
14:07:17	Little_Apple	er.. for..
14:07:21	bobdaduck	ah yes.
14:07:25	Little_Apple	where did that if come from.
14:10:20	raptor	Little_Apple: I fixed yer thinky
14:10:23	raptor	*thingy
14:10:25	Little_Apple	oh right!
14:10:31	Little_Apple	i need to get that...
14:10:31	raptor	can you confirm?
14:10:38	Little_Apple	one second..
14:10:40	raptor	whenever is fine
14:10:54	raptor	I get to code Lua for work!
14:11:07	raptor	this is great! all the countless bitfighter hours have paid off in the real world...
14:11:48	Little_Apple	woohoo!
14:12:02	bobdaduck	what?
14:12:05	bobdaduck	xD
14:12:06	Little_Apple	bobdaduck: sent!
14:13:10	Little_Apple	hey! it works!
14:13:22	bobdaduck	cool
14:13:44	Little_Apple	are the levels ok bob?
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14:14:38	bobdaduck	I'll look at them in a bit...
14:14:51	Little_Apple	kk
14:14:52	bobdaduck	I don't think I have the server's regular levels on my thumb drive
14:15:19	Little_Apple	raptor: could the notifier make a little noise as well?
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14:27:31	Little_Apple	welcome!
14:50:11	raptor	Little_Apple: does that mean it works?
14:50:17	Little_Apple	yep!
14:50:20	raptor	hooray!
14:50:48	Little_Apple	its like the annoying updates banner from the mac app store that i cant turn off!
14:51:02	Little_Apple	except it only stays around for a few seconds!
14:51:10	raptor	:)
14:51:23	raptor	it's much worse on osx 10.7 or earlier
14:51:32	Little_Apple	woo
14:52:04	Little_Apple	does it give you a popup?
14:53:03	Little_Apple	oop.. gotta go...
14:53:09	Little_Apple	blorp
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14:53:13	raptor	it does, and stops the whole system
14:53:18	raptor	and... good bye
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15:26:57	raptor	Watusimoto: I had an idea
15:27:17	raptor	regarding friendly fire (since that seems to keep coming up)
15:27:33	raptor	what if we made it a server option
15:28:03	bobdaduck	We should also make turrets a server option
15:28:05	bobdaduck	and loadout zones
15:28:14	raptor	we'd have to default to all or nothing, I think, to keep it consistent
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15:28:31	bobdaduck	Global friendly fire I guess I can see
15:28:38	raptor	bobdaduck: you're not helping your case by being snarky!
15:28:43	raptor	:)
15:28:59	bobdaduck	So there is a server where you're allowed to rage-kill your teamates, and another where you aren't?
15:29:21	raptor	that would be a consequence, yes
15:30:10	bobdaduck	BUT WITHOUT MY SNARK
15:30:12	bobdaduck	I MIGHT DIE.
15:30:23	raptor	friendly fire would be all or nothing: kill/killed by teammates/turrets... or not
15:30:50	bobdaduck	I feel like everyone would be opposed to that, but I guess it doesn't matter too much at this point.
15:30:59	raptor	anyways it was a thought.. which I don't remember discussing (but I have become braindead recently)
15:40:34	Watusimoto	hey there
15:40:38	Watusimoto	working on a web design
15:40:52	raptor	runaway!
15:41:08	Watusimoto	friendly fire only keeps coming up because bobdaduck keeps brinigng it up! :-)
15:41:19	raptor	ah ok
15:41:38	Watusimoto	I don't care for the server option option
15:41:44	raptor	ok
15:41:48	Watusimoto	I think they should just work one way or the other
15:42:03	raptor	honestly I was thinking of UT2004 at the time, and I remembered it havnig that option
15:42:12	bobdaduck	OR WE COULD
15:42:16	Watusimoto	so let's just make sure we understand the issue
15:42:20	bobdaduck	Try it and see!
15:42:24	Watusimoto	turrets do not target friendly players
15:42:35	raptor	nope
15:42:39	Watusimoto	will they fire at a target if the friendly player is in the way?
15:42:46	raptor	nope
15:42:48	bobdaduck	supposedly no
15:42:54	bobdaduck	but in my experiments
15:42:57	bobdaduck	you will still get hit
15:42:59	Watusimoto	but if you fly into the bullets you are nailed
15:43:01	raptor	but nothing stops the player from moving into an already-fired shot!
15:43:18	Watusimoto	so the question is simply should the ship be damaged in that situation
15:43:37	Watusimoto	is that correct
15:43:37	raptor	I think?
15:43:38	Watusimoto	?
15:43:43	bobdaduck	yes
15:43:44	Watusimoto	bobdaduck: is that correct
15:43:46	Watusimoto	ok
15:43:50	bobdaduck	Also shooting your own turrets
15:44:22	bobdaduck	I had a room full of resource items and turrets because of engineer and without moving, I would still get shot occasionally by the turrets.
15:44:43	bobdaduck	Fun fact: if you make a resource item in levelgen and set it to have a team, turrets of that team won't shoot at it.
15:46:26	raptor	hahaha
15:46:36	bobdaduck	actually super useful in DnD
15:47:29	Watusimoto	so... what if we made it so you can't damage your own turrets, but they could still kill you?
15:47:34	raptor	Watusimoto: actually, I think we may have a possible logic error in turret targeting
15:47:46	Watusimoto	logic error????
15:47:50	Watusimoto	impossible!
15:48:23	Watusimoto	I'll have the sample web page ready tonight, I think
15:48:31	Watusimoto	agh! midnight already!!!
15:48:46	raptor	if a resource is going to move behind you, and a turret is about to fire at it
15:49:02	raptor	but you are currently not in the path of directly line from turret-to-resource
15:49:29	raptor	the turret will auto-aim to match the movement of the resource, and fire straight through you
15:49:37	raptor	*team turret
15:49:40	Watusimoto	ah, interesting
15:49:40	bobdaduck	If we made it so you can't damage your own turrets but they can damage you
15:49:45	raptor	I think that is what bobdaduck is saying
15:49:53	bobdaduck	I will stop making levels with turrets unless they are hostile-to-all
15:50:11	bobdaduck	because from my current point of view all turrets are hostile to all to me.
15:50:35	bobdaduck	The reason I care about this is because my own turrets are better at killing me than enemy players are and that's not okay.
15:51:50	raptor	that means the devs are better at killing you with code, than with their reflexes :)
15:52:21	bobdaduck	I'm... I'm not sure that's what it means...
15:56:42	Watusimoto	what if we fixed the targeting bug so they would not fire on you as much?
15:57:36	Watusimoto	hey, what's our twatter feed?
15:57:40	fordcars	Wait, we need to be able to shoot our own turrets!!!!
15:58:21	bobdaduck	BECAUSE ENGINER.
15:58:46	fordcars	twatter.com haha
15:58:58	bobdaduck	its @playbitfighter.
15:59:08	bobdaduck	I can give you the password and stuff if you want
16:02:31	raptor	for a moment I had thought kaen might have fixed that possible turret targeting bug, but I can't find a commit log on it
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16:17:00	Watusimoto	raptor, to get a web page to work, I put it in /var/www/xyz and access it via http://bitfighter.org/xyz/sss, right?
16:17:15	raptor	/var/www/html/
16:17:17	Watusimoto	where sss is the name of the file
16:17:34	raptor	the 'html' folder corresponds as the root
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16:17:40	Watusimoto	works
16:17:58	Watusimoto	so the page is up
16:18:07	Watusimoto	none of the links work (well most anyway)
16:18:10	raptor	tell me about this page
16:18:12	Watusimoto	and it's pretty ugly
16:18:18	Watusimoto	but it will give you the idea of this concept
16:18:24	Watusimoto	4 sections
16:18:32	Watusimoto	1 is our what's up with bitfighter section
16:18:47	Watusimoto	2 is a set of screen shots with a slideshow widget not yet implemented
16:18:48	raptor	do you have the link?
16:18:52	Watusimoto	yes
16:19:01	Watusimoto	3 is the downloads section
16:19:10	Watusimoto	and 4 is the join the bitfighter b0rg section
16:19:11	Watusimoto	http://bitfighter.org/bitjunk/index.html
16:21:53	Watusimoto	I have an idea for a background graphic for one of the other sections... basically black or near black with a bunch of 1s and 0s lined up like binary codes in very dark gray
16:21:55	raptor	oh neat
16:22:03	Watusimoto	to give a textured feel more than anything
16:22:13	raptor	so each section
16:22:29	raptor	would you click on them and it'd take you to a page with more items on it?
16:22:33	Watusimoto	no
16:22:53	Watusimoto	we could put links to a wiki page or something if we wanted more info
16:23:10	Watusimoto	so like a full release history, for example, or whatever
16:23:28	Watusimoto	there would really only be this one page
16:23:35	Watusimoto	plus the wiki plus the forums
16:23:51	Watusimoto	maybe plus a page with the irc widget
16:24:26	Watusimoto	it got crapper as I went down because i am getting tired and I hate web coding
16:24:33	raptor	so for section 1, how would we show multiple news items?
16:25:05	Watusimoto	we would just list one or two things there
16:25:14	raptor	and could people access the others?
16:25:36	Watusimoto	no
16:25:59	Watusimoto	but the reality is we don't really do news much
16:26:15	Watusimoto	and to edit this it would have to be raw html
16:26:22	Watusimoto	no cms, no web interface
16:26:25	Watusimoto	just the code
16:26:49	Watusimoto	so it's just a proposal, something different than what we've been looking at/doing
16:27:01	Watusimoto	with a very trendy design
16:27:41	Watusimoto	and we'd need to put the player widget on there somewhere
16:27:50	raptor	so you are thinking about ditching a CMS entirely
16:28:18	Watusimoto	that's the idea with this design
16:28:35	Watusimoto	it's an option
16:28:49	raptor	ok
16:28:57	Watusimoto	we'd have to really look at what we are using the cms for now, and whether we really need it
16:29:03	raptor	yeah
16:29:15	Watusimoto	it's currently mostly just for updating stuff on the front page and the releases page
16:29:32	Watusimoto	and for releases, we mostly just use it to insert html
16:30:04	raptor	Well I think I like it - but it seems like it'd be nice to keep an archive of news items. Also Wordpress would provide hooks to post to social media, and have RSS feeds available
16:30:04	fordcars	later!
16:30:09	Watusimoto	later
16:30:27	Watusimoto	we'd also need to put the ships on there somewhere (from current home page)
16:31:06	Watusimoto	the rss feed is not terribly useful if nothing is ever fed into it, no?
16:31:21	raptor	news of new releases
16:31:29	Watusimoto	but going this route would mean no plugins, more manual work, etc.
16:31:42	Watusimoto	but balancing that is no upgrades
16:31:42	raptor	yes
16:31:51	Watusimoto	no cms management
16:32:45	Watusimoto	so anyway... think about it; maybe we don't go with this, but maybe it stimulates other thoughts
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16:34:41	raptor	ok
16:34:48	raptor	i'd like kaen's thoughts, too
16:34:53	raptor	but I have to go
16:34:56	Watusimoto	yes, of course
16:34:57	raptor	so good night!
16:35:10	Watusimoto	I'm sure we'll get feedback from bobdaduck as well
16:35:21	Watusimoto	he usually has an opinion about... everything!
16:35:32	Watusimoto	my wife was luke-warm on it
16:35:33	raptor	oh yes, one of the constants in the universe
16:35:52	Watusimoto	though I did not show her new and old side-by-side
16:37:27	Watusimoto	bye then
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17:50:26	amgine123456789	hello whats up
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20:49:11	fordcars	Time to make PiFighter
20:49:16	fordcars	Brb
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21:02:03	fordcars_pi	Uh, how do I get the source of the latest SDL2?
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21:22:50	fordcars_pi	Uh, kaen, If I want to install sdl2 for Bitfighter, which one is it?
21:22:53	fordcars_pi	.dev?
21:28:06	fordcars_pi	ohhhhhhhh blarghgrg
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