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IRC Log for 2013-10-06

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night guys!
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-ChanServ- [#bitfighter] Welcome to #bitfighter.  This is an IRC channel, many or all of the users may not be paying attention.  Please have patience when waiting for a response.
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Why do we drink cow's milk? Who was the first guy who first looked at a cow and said "I think I'll drink whatever comes out of these things when I squeeze 'em!"? -- Calvin 
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It's great to have a friend who appreciates an earnest discussion of ideas. -- Calvin 
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You don't get to be mom if you can't fix everything just right. -- Calvin 
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Mom knows EVERYTHING! -- Calvin 
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I think we dream so we don't have to be apart so long. If we're in each other's dreams, we can play together all night. -- Calvin 
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But the important thing is persistence. -- Calvin trying to juggle eggs 
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Who wouldn't be interested in everything we do?! -- Calvin 
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This is so cool I've to go to the bathroom. -- Calvin 
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From now on, I'll connect the dots my own way. -- Calvin 
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I imagine bugs and girls have a dim perception that nature played a cruel trick on them, but they lack the intelligence to really comprehend the magnitude of it. -- Calvin 
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This one's tricky. You have to use imaginary numbers, like eleventeen ... -- Hobbes 
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Sometimes it seems things go by too quickly. We are so busy watching out for what's just ahead of us that we don't take the time to enjoy where we are. -- Calvin 
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Know what I pray for? The strength to change what I can, the inability to accept what I can't and the incapacity to tell the difference. -- Calvin 
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You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help. -- Calvin 
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It's hard to be mad at someone who misses you while you're asleep. -- Calvin 
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Hobbes: Shouldn't we read the instructions? Calvin: Do I look like a sissy? 
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If something is so complicated that you can't explain it in 10 seconds, then it's probably not worth knowing anyway. -- Calvin 
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The purpose of writing is to inflate weak ideas, obscure pure reasoning, and inhibit clarity. With a little practice, writing can be an intimidating and impenetrable fog! -- Calvin 
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All this modern technology just makes people try to do everything at once. -- Hobbes 
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Hobbes: What would you call the creation of the universe? Calvin: The Horrendous Space Kablooie! 
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I like to say "quark"! Quark, quark, quark, quark! -- Hobbes 
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Mom and dad say I should make my life an example of the principles I believe in. But every time I do, they tell me to stop it. -- Calvin 
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That's the difference between me and the rest of the world! Happiness isn't good enough for me! I demand euphoria! -- Calvin 
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If you want to stay dad you've got to polish your image. I think the image we need to create for you is "repentant but learning". -- Calvin 
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It seems like once people grow up, they have no idea what's cool. -- Calvin 
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Dad are you vicariously living through me in the hope that my accomplishments will validate your mediocre life and in some way compensate for all the opportunities you botched? -- Calvin 
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Susie: When life gives you a lemon, make lemonade. Calvin: I say, when life gives you a lemon, wing it right back and add some lemons of your own! 
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A good compromise leaves everyone mad. -- Calvin 
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Calvin: Who can fathom the feminine mind? Hobbes: I like 'em anyway. 
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The inside of my head was exploding with fireworks. Fortunately, my last thought turned out the lights when it left. -- Calvin 
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I like to say "quark"! Quark, quark, quark, quark! -- Hobbes 
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Be careful or be road-kill. -- Calvin 
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That's the whole problem with science. You've got a bunch of empiricists trying to describe things of unimaginable wonder. -- Calvin 
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It's great to have a friend who appreciates an earnest discussion of ideas. -- Calvin 
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If something is so complicated that you can't explain it in 10 seconds, then it's probably not worth knowing anyway. -- Calvin 
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Calvin: Sometimes when I'm talking, my words can't keep up with my thoughts. I wonder why we think faster than we speak. Hobbes: Probably so we can think twice. 
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I suppose if we couldn't laugh at things that don't make sense, we couldn't react to a lot of life. -- Hobbes 
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I say, if your knees aren't green by the end of the day, you ought to seriously re-examine your life. -- Calvin 
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The inside of my head was exploding with fireworks. Fortunately, my last thought turned out the lights when it left. -- Calvin 
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The only skills I have patience to learn are those that have no real application in life. -- Calvin 
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Know what I pray for? The strength to change what I can, the inability to accept what I can't and the incapacity to tell the difference. -- Calvin 
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You can present the material, but you can't make me care. -- Calvin 
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Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? -- Calvin 
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Weekends don't count unless you spend them doing something completely pointless. -- Calvin 
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If people could put rainbows in zoos, they'd do it. -- Hobbes 
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Well, it just seemed wrong to cheat on an ethics test. -- Calvin 
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You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help. -- Calvin 
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I thrive on change... I thrive on making other people change. -- Calvin 
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It seems like once people grow up, they have no idea what's cool. -- Calvin 
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I like to say "quark"! Quark, quark, quark, quark! -- Hobbes 
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If we don't all watch the same TV, what will keep our culture homogeneous? -- Calvin 
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A good compromise leaves everyone mad. -- Calvin 
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If we don't all watch the same TV, what will keep our culture homogeneous? -- Calvin 
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The real fun of living wisely is that you get to be smug about it. -- Calvin 
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A voice crackles in Calvin's radio: "Enemy fighters at two o'clock!" "Roger. What should I do until then?" 
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Until you stalk and overrun, you can't devour anyone. -- Hobbes 
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Calvin: Can you make a living playing silly games? His Dad: Actually, you can be among the most overpaid people on the planet. 
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The dame was hysterical. Dames usually are. -- Calvin as Tracer Bullet 
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The purpose of writing is to inflate weak ideas, obscure pure reasoning, and inhibit clarity. With a little practice, writing can be an intimidating and impenetrable fog! -- Calvin 
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I don't need to compromise my principles, because they don't have the slightest bearing on what happens to me anyway. -- Calvin 
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All this modern technology just makes people try to do everything at once. -- Hobbes 
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But the important thing is persistence. -- Calvin trying to juggle eggs 
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My life needs a rewind/erase button. -- Calvin 
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My behaviour is addictive functioning in a disease process of toxic co-dependency. I need holistic healing and wellness before I'll accept any responsibility for my actions. -- Calvin 
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Given that sooner or later we're all just going to die, what's the point of learning about integers? -- Calvin 
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That's the whole problem with science. You've got a bunch of empiricists trying to describe things of unimaginable wonder. -- Calvin 
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My family is dysfunctional and my parents won't empower me. Consequently I'm not self actualized. -- Calvin 
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I like to say "quark"! Quark, quark, quark, quark! -- Hobbes 
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If you care, you just get disappointed all the time. If you don't care nothing matters so you are never upset. -- Calvin 
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This one's tricky. You have to use imaginary numbers, like eleventeen ... -- Hobbes 
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Sometimes one should just look at things and think about things without doing things. -- Calvin 
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Often it takes some calamity to make us live in the present. Then suddenly we wake up and see all the mistakes we have made. But it is too late to change anything. -- Calvin 
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qualche italiano?
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If you want to stay dad you've got to polish your image. I think the image we need to create for you is "repentant but learning". -- Calvin 
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The real fun of living wisely is that you get to be smug about it. -- Calvin 
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It seems like once people grow up, they have no idea what's cool. -- Calvin 
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If you care, you just get disappointed all the time. If you don't care nothing matters so you are never upset. -- Calvin 
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Endorsing products is the American way of expressing individuality. -- Calvin 
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I don't understand this!  Not a single part of my horoscope came true! ... The paper should print Mom's daily predictions. Those sure come true. -- Calvin 
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Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. -- Calvin 
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Calvin: Can you make a living playing silly games? His Dad: Actually, you can be among the most overpaid people on the planet. 
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I'm looking for something that can deliver a 50-pound payload of snow on a small feminine target. Can you suggest something? Hello...? -- Calvin 
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"The dynamics of inter-being and mono logical imperatives in Dick and Jane: A study in psychic transrelational gender modes". Academia, here I come. -- Calvin 
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From now on, I'll connect the dots my own way. -- Calvin 
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This one's tricky. You have to use imaginary numbers, like eleventeen ... -- Hobbes 
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What's the point of wearing your favorite rocketship underpants if nobody ever asks to see 'em? -- Calvin 
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I don't need to compromise my principles, because they don't have the slightest bearing on what happens to me anyway. -- Calvin 
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chi e online?
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I suppose the secret to happiness is learning to appreciate the moment. -- Calvin 
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Some people are pragmatists, taking things as they come and making the best of the choices available. Some people are idealists, standing for principle and refusing to compromise. And some people just act on any whim that enters their heads. I pragmatically turn my whims into principles! -- Calvin 
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Why do we drink cow's milk? Who was the first guy who first looked at a cow and said "I think I'll drink whatever comes out of these things when I squeeze 'em!"? -- Calvin 
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Hobbes: Shouldn't we read the instructions? Calvin: Do I look like a sissy? 
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My ethicator machine must've had a built-in moral compromise spectral release phantasmatron! I'm a genius! -- Calvin 
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If you couldn't find any weirdness, maybe we'll just have to make some! -- Calvin 
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This game lends itself to certain abuses. -- Calvin 
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You can present the material, but you can't make me care. -- Calvin 
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How many boards would the Mongols hoard if the Mongol hordes got bored? -- Calvin 
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Mom knows EVERYTHING! -- Calvin 
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The real fun of living wisely is that you get to be smug about it. -- Calvin 
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Hobbes: How is the diorama coming along? Calvin: I'm almost finished. Hobbes: I don't see the roadrunner. Weren't you going to put one in? Calvin: See the cotton balls I glued down? Hobbes: Yeah? Calvin: The roadrunner just ran out of the scene leaving behind clouds of dust! 
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Miss Wormwood: What state do you live in? Calvin: Denial. Miss Wormwood: I don't suppose I can argue with that... 
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I don't need to compromise my principles, because they don't have the slightest bearing on what happens to me anyway. -- Calvin 
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Verbing weirds language. -- Calvin 
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For your information, I'm staying like this, and everyone else can just get used to it! If people don't like me the way I am, well TOUGH BEANS! It's a free country! I don't need anyone's permission to be the way I want! This is how I am - Take it or leave it! -- Calvin 
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One of the joys of being a kid is that experiences are new and therefore more intense. -- Calvin sniffing mustard 
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If you do the job badly enough, sometimes you don't get asked to do it again. -- Calvin 
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Some things don't need the thought people give them. -- Hobbes 
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Verbing weirds language. -- Calvin 
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A voice crackles in Calvin's radio: "Enemy fighters at two o'clock!" "Roger. What should I do until then?" 
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Calvin: Can you make a living playing silly games? His Dad: Actually, you can be among the most overpaid people on the planet. 
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Hobbes: How is the diorama coming along? Calvin: I'm almost finished. Hobbes: I don't see the roadrunner. Weren't you going to put one in? Calvin: See the cotton balls I glued down? Hobbes: Yeah? Calvin: The roadrunner just ran out of the scene leaving behind clouds of dust! 
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The only skills I have the patience to learn are those that have no real application in life. -- Calvin 
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Miss Wormwood, could we arrange our seats in a little circle and have a little discussion? Specifically, I'd like to debate whether cannibalism ought to be grounds for leniency in murders since it is less wasteful. -- Calvin 
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Some people are pragmatists, taking things as they come and making the best of the choices available. Some people are idealists, standing for principle and refusing to compromise. And some people just act on any whim that enters their heads. I pragmatically turn my whims into principles! -- Calvin 
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Miss Wormwood: Calvin where was the Byzantine empire? Calvin: I'll take "outer planets" for $100. 
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This one's tricky. You have to use imaginary numbers, like eleventeen ... -- Hobbes 
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I liked things better when I didn't understand them. -- Calvin 
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"The dynamics of inter-being and mono logical imperatives in Dick and Jane: A study in psychic transrelational gender modes". Academia, here I come. -- Calvin 
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It takes an uncommon mind to think of these things. -- Calvin 
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Who wouldn't be interested in everything we do?! -- Calvin 
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Some people are pragmatists, taking things as they come and making the best of the choices available. Some people are idealists, standing for principle and refusing to compromise. And some people just act on any whim that enters their heads. I pragmatically turn my whims into principles! -- Calvin 
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My family is dysfunctional and my parents won't empower me. Consequently I'm not self actualized. -- Calvin 
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This is so cool I've to go to the bathroom. -- Calvin 
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If good things lasted forever, would we appreciate how precious they are? -- Hobbes 
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You can present the material, but you can't make me care. -- Calvin 
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Often it takes some calamity to make us live in the present. Then suddenly we wake up and see all the mistakes we have made. But it is too late to change anything. -- Calvin 
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Nothing_Much
somebody here was speaking Italian
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SolumnMushroom
Today, being October 6th, is my birthday! :D
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That's the difference between me and the rest of the world! Happiness isn't good enough for me! I demand euphoria! -- Calvin 
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I imagine bugs and girls have a dim perception that nature played a cruel trick on them, but they lack the intelligence to really comprehend the magnitude of it. -- Calvin 
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Nothing_Much
SolumnMushroom, happy birthday!
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Golly, I'd hate to have a kid like me! -- Calvin 
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Miss Wormwood: Calvin where was the Byzantine empire? Calvin: I'll take "outer planets" for $100. 
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My ethicator machine must've had a built-in moral compromise spectral release phantasmatron! I'm a genius! -- Calvin 
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I suppose if we couldn't laugh at things that don't make sense, we couldn't react to a lot of life. -- Hobbes 
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Wormwood: Calvin, how about you? Calvin: Hard to say ma'am. I think my cerebellum just fused. 
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Thank you. before I begin, I'd like everyone to notice that my report is in a professional, clear plastic binder... When a report looks this good, you know it'll get an A. That's a tip kids. Write it down. -- Calvin 
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I'm learning real skills that I can apply throughout the rest of my life ... Procrastinating and rationalizing. -- Calvin 
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How many boards would the Mongols hoard if the Mongol hordes got bored? -- Calvin 
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Miss Wormwood: What state do you live in? Calvin: Denial. Miss Wormwood: I don't suppose I can argue with that... 
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Nothing_Much
BFLogBot, pipe it down a bit, would ya?
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The only skills I have patience to learn are those that have no real application in life. -- Calvin 
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Who wouldn't be interested in everything we do?! -- Calvin 
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Given that sooner or later we're all just going to die, what's the point of learning about integers? -- Calvin 
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Watusimoto: I'm going to compile you a new SDL2.dll; could you test the joystick crash on that (once it's done) again?
10:15:42
Watusimoto
yes, sure, no problem
10:16:01
Watusimoto
my fix isn't really good in any event, as it can trigger errors on exit in a release build
10:16:03
Watusimoto
which is bad
10:16:11
raptor
there have been several windows-related joystick fixes/changes since 2.0.0 was released
10:16:13
Watusimoto
but not as bad as crashing
10:16:34
Watusimoto
I looked thorugh the sdl code, but could see no obvious reasons for crash
10:16:54
Watusimoto
but yes, I can check the new build.  I still have my joystick out
10:17:24
Watusimoto
I'm guessing you corked up the logbot?
10:17:26
Watusimoto
if so, thanks
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raptor
yeah - i'm not sure what happens - that's the third time it went crazy like that
10:19:00
raptor
i wonder if it's freenode that pings it and doesn't get the PONG
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raptor
shoudl i give you a debug SDL2 build?
10:22:49
Watusimoto
sure
10:23:42
raptor
ok, here are both:  http://sam6.25u.com/upload/SDL2-7788-25355ecf10aa.zip
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raptor
(I upx-compressed the release build, to try and make all things equal)
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Watusimoto
testing
10:28:23
Watusimoto
being optimistic, and starting with release build of dll
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Watusimoto
crash
10:29:08
Watusimoto
same as before
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Watusimoto
will try with debug build and see if that changes anything
10:30:21
Watusimoto
no difference
10:31:19
Watusimoto
what's odd is that even wrapping the crashy lines inside a try/except didn't catch the problem
10:32:04
Watusimoto
do you think we should add the source to our project so we can debug the sdl code?
10:32:21
Watusimoto
if I better understood what was going on, we could submit an intelligentish bug report
10:32:34
Watusimoto
as it is, I don't really know what the issue is besdies crashy
10:33:14
raptor
could it be a problem with 64bit?
10:33:23
raptor
is there a way you could test on a 32bit machine?
10:34:38
raptor
I wouldn't add the SDL source to the repo - it's not small
10:35:25
raptor
but, if you checked out the source yourself, and used that debug build, you could still debug
10:37:01
raptor
actually - the SDL source has a vs2010 EE project inside
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raptor
here's the clone URL:  http://hg.libsdl.org/SDL
10:40:01
Watusimoto
I do not have a 32 bit machine
10:40:43
Watusimoto
I'm not sure how to use that project to debug the dll, but maybe there is a way
10:41:04
Watusimoto
otherwise, I can create a temporary project and do a combined build and debug it
10:41:08
Watusimoto
ugh.  not fun
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raptor
once upon a time I got them working together...
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raptor
somehow 'attaching' the source to the DLL in the bitfighter project
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raptor
with using the debug SDL2 DLL
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raptor
i think this was it:  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5368423/how-to-attach-sources-to-referenced-assembly-in-visual-studio
10:45:09
Watusimoto
ok, gotta go work on dinner, will check this out later.  I'm sure it's feasible one way or another!
10:45:30
raptor
i'm sorry I can't debug this - I have no joystick
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raptor
howdy folks
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kaen
hello!
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kaen
I'm learning about key-based nested cache invalidation
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kaen
because my first attempt at adding caching to pleiades was... incomplete.
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cache invalidation...  please no
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"There are only 2 hard problems in computer science: Cache invalidation. Naming things. And off-by-one errors."
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fordcars
Haha
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raptor
Watusimoto: I've slowly been adapting the bootstrap theme to wordpress:  http://bitfighter.org/bitpress/
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fordcars
Oh are you doing a mobile website??
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raptor
it's a responsive design, yes
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Watusimoto
looks a bit like my other presentation!
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raptor
:)
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Watusimoto
raptor: reading your previous link, I see this:
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Watusimoto
Using VS2010 - you will first need to compile your referenced assemblies with debug symbols.
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Watusimoto
is this what the debug dll you sent me was?
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raptor
yes
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Watusimoto
ok, so I should be able to hook it up to the source somehow
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raptor
but if you clone the SDL source and compile it yourself
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Watusimoto
I have to compile it myself?
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raptor
you'll also have the .lib .pdb etc.
13:24:08
Watusimoto
I see
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raptor
there's a vc++ 2010 EE project inside that I didn't not have to patch
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raptor
we're on the unpatched upstream!  (finally)
13:24:34
Watusimoto
good
13:24:42
Watusimoto
so I build the vc++ project
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Watusimoto
then how do I get the products of that build into the bitfighter project?
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Watusimoto
is it just the debug dll?
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raptor
then in the bitfighter project, you can link up the SDL source with those instructions
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raptor
just debug DLL might work
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Watusimoto
I'll give it a shot.. I am very unclear on the process, but trying it may help
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raptor
i only did it once...
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raptor
but it worked, and got a patch of mine in!
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Watusimoto
ok, so the instructions say to find an object to browse
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Watusimoto
or rather find your object of interest in the object browser
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Watusimoto
I don't think I have an object per se
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raptor
i think i did it in the middle of a debugging
14:24:12
Watusimoto
Yes, that's where I am too
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Watusimoto
I want to trace into the static(?) function close_joystick (or whatever), but there is no object there
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Watusimoto
so I have nothing to select in the object browser
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raptor
huh
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Watusimoto
I want to trace into this:
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Watusimoto
SDL_JoystickClose(sdlJoystick);
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raptor
yes
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Watusimoto
which is called by this:
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Watusimoto
Joystick::initJoystick(GameSettings *settings)
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Watusimoto
I think sdlJoystick is just a pointer
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raptor
yes...  let me attempt this again..
14:26:44
Watusimoto
there must be another way to get a hook in
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raptor
I was able to set the source by going into the method itself, i think...
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raptor
le tme tinker..
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Watusimoto
going tothe method in bitfighter or in sdl?
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raptor
in bitfighter
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Watusimoto
right now I am debugging in the bitfighter project, and want to hook into the sdl stuff
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raptor
going 'into' the SDL_whatever method
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raptor
yes
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Watusimoto
ok, so at least on the same track so far
14:36:18
raptor
argh...  i can't seem to do this again...
14:37:14
Watusimoto
same here, except for the again part :-)
14:38:42
raptor
try this now:  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/654696/how-to-debug-external-class-library-projects-in-visual-studio
14:40:39
raptor
this is looking familiar - i'm in options -> debugging -> symbols
14:42:19
Watusimoto
getting warmer... Debug->Windows->Modules
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Watusimoto
SDL.dll is listed there
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Watusimoto
right click on it
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Watusimoto
and load symbols...
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Watusimoto
trying it now
14:44:16
Watusimoto
can't find the symbols, but that is probably a different issue
14:44:48
raptor
I had to enable the symbol server, too, I think
14:45:26
Watusimoto
enable it in bitfighter or sdl?
14:45:43
raptor
in vc++
14:45:49
Watusimoto
ick... looks like i need to install some version of directx
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raptor
there's this thing called 'microsoft symbol server'
14:45:59
Watusimoto
but in which vc++ project?
14:46:19
Watusimoto
the one where you build sdl, or the one where you debug bitfighter?
14:46:46
Watusimoto
my current problem is it looks like an important part of the sdl build failed
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raptor
debugging is in 'bitfighter', but the symbol server component of vc++ needs to be installed or activated
14:47:44
Watusimoto
right, but the symbol server needs to be enabled in the bitfighter project?
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raptor
yes
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raptor
i may have been under a false impression that that was a vc++-wide setting
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Watusimoto
I think I have to install the directx sdk... 500mb of crap
14:56:15
Watusimoto
I thought I already had it.... but apparently not
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raptor
that seems familiar, too...
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raptor
because...  it makes perfect sense to have all the symbol software in the directx sdk...
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Watusimoto
how'd that happen...
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Watusimoto
now says "symbols loaded"
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Watusimoto
I'm in!!!!!
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Watusimoto
I can see sdl code at my current instruction set!!!
15:03:57
Watusimoto
the first link you sent was bad, the second was the key
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raptor
yay!
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Watusimoto
what do you make of this?
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Watusimoto
when I execute this statement, it crashes:
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Watusimoto
while ( joysticklist )
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Watusimoto
joysticklist is a pointer, I think
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Watusimoto
it is not NULL
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Watusimoto
but when it get evaluated in that context, it crashes
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Watusimoto
how can that be?
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raptor
could it be that it was deleted, but not set to NULL ?
15:08:52
Watusimoto
sure, but then the while(joysticklist) would still evaluate to true
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Watusimoto
and no crash
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raptor
so that tells me that that is not the issue - maybe the parent object was in the middle of being deleted?
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Watusimoto
I don't think so (but can't prove it yet)
15:17:14
Watusimoto
i'm still as stumped as i was before i began
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Watusimoto
we are not in the middle of a delete
15:17:43
Watusimoto
the crash is happening much more frequently now
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Watusimoto
(it used to happen 1 out of 5 or 6 times, now happens every time)
15:18:34
raptor
oh good
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raptor
so I think that our SDL code is not using DirectX, but WinMM or something like that
15:19:09
raptor
.. for joysticks
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Watusimoto
so...
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Watusimoto
this now seems to be triggering the crash
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Watusimoto
SDL_free(joystick->hwdata);
15:23:08
Watusimoto
I know what you're thinking
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Watusimoto
double delete, right?
15:23:57
Watusimoto
but when I step into that function, it crashes immediately, long before any second delete could get run
15:24:02
raptor
could be?  it could be that we're not properly using the SDL2 joystick API - I coded it about a year before the ABI lock
15:25:14
Watusimoto
this is hopeless
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Watusimoto
it crashes all over the place at different times in different places
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Watusimoto
every time I see a pattern, it changes
15:25:49
Watusimoto
so my thinking is that something is not being initialized properly
15:25:52
raptor
that's why i think a parent object disappeared
15:25:53
Watusimoto
which ties into your theory
15:26:10
Watusimoto
what is the abi lock?
15:26:49
raptor
ABI freez in the SDL2 codebase
15:26:56
raptor
*freeze
15:27:12
raptor
so some internal stuctures could have changed since it was written.
15:27:28
raptor
API wasn't really ever locked, though
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15:38:06
Watusimoto
your code looks good
15:38:17
Watusimoto
comparing it to the samples
15:38:35
raptor
ok good
15:43:54
Watusimoto
well, except that leaves me with nothing
15:45:15
raptor
this is one of those issues that sam686 would be good at solving...
15:45:36
Watusimoto
no kidding
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Watusimoto
I'm going to send a plea for help to the sdl mailing list
15:57:43
Watusimoto
because I am totally stuck
15:57:49
Watusimoto
100% out of ideas
15:58:13
raptor
sounds good to me
15:58:22
raptor
they don't bite too much, I've found
15:58:46
Watusimoto
we'll see
16:02:08
raptor
ok.  better?:  http://bitfighter.org/bitpress/
16:02:46
fordcars
Ooooo
16:03:05
raptor
and responsive!  (for those mobile folks out there...)
16:03:05
fordcars
Why a download button if it's mobile?
16:03:15
raptor
?
16:04:03
fordcars
Why download bitfighter on your phone?!?
16:04:12
raptor
well...  ummm
16:04:22
raptor
to convince them to get a real computer?
16:04:44
raptor
and I don't actually know how to program it conditionally
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fordcars
sorry :P
16:05:39
fordcars
Conditionally?
16:05:51
raptor
kaen / Watusimoto, thoughts on my recent style changes?
16:06:03
fordcars
Maybe the button should say get a Computer!
16:06:45
Watusimoto
yes, better
16:06:52
fordcars
It's cool!
16:07:25
raptor
not too horrible...
16:07:32
Watusimoto
this design has the same problem mine did... the Bitfighter logo looks weird and out of place
16:07:40
Watusimoto
don't know why
16:07:40
fordcars
I think android can download files and transfer them to a computer though, so the button is good
16:08:07
raptor
I could shrink it...
16:08:28
fordcars
I'll try it
16:11:14
raptor
Watusimoto: how about something like this? (I can make the smaller graphic clearer):  http://imagebin.org/272962
16:12:08
fordcars
hehe nice scolling menu thing
16:12:10
Watusimoto
maybe.  what about replacing the orange bitfigher with the logo version (perhaps in conjuction with a smaller version at the top)?
16:12:13
fordcars
*drop-down
16:12:56
Watusimoto
also... before you spend tons more time on this... even if this were spiffed up, would it be better than what we have?
16:13:13
raptor
wordpress is a huge improvement over drupal
16:14:59
Watusimoto
yes, but we could port over our current styles (at least in theory)
16:15:10
Watusimoto
and make the wordpress look like the drupal we have
16:15:25
raptor
that was what we were sort of trying before...
16:15:35
raptor
i guess that's true, too
16:15:51
Watusimoto
as was I, and it was hard
16:16:06
Watusimoto
but the question should be where do we want to put our energy?
16:16:49
Watusimoto
I am not opposed to change, but when I see the old site, I think it looks far better than anything else we've come up with
16:16:59
raptor
never into web design (for my part) - but I've been only working on it piecemeal, for fun even, because I wanted to get familiar with wordpress
16:17:02
Watusimoto
and it fits pretty well with the phpbb and wiki styling
16:17:12
Watusimoto
fun...
16:17:23
Watusimoto
who am I to judge?
16:17:25
Watusimoto
:-)
16:17:31
raptor
well... the fun part is learning the ins and outs of wordpress,  *not* the styling
16:17:35
raptor
:)
16:17:38
Watusimoto
indeed
16:17:49
Watusimoto
I full agree with the *not* the styling bit!
16:18:10
raptor
you think the old still looks better than this current  wordpress+bootstrap theme?
16:18:25
raptor
where bobdaduck for an ardent opinion when you need him...
16:31:24
Watusimoto
I do
16:31:44
Watusimoto
(sent a message to sdl mailing list)
16:31:51
raptor
well great - I didn't know I was up against such a good theme...
16:32:14
Watusimoto
there are things about the old site I don't like
16:32:19
Watusimoto
the white bar for example :-)
16:32:29
Watusimoto
or the particular shade of orange
16:32:53
Watusimoto
(I had a better one, but it differed form the phpbb one, and I chose, for some reason, to use the one I liked less)
16:33:05
raptor
orange?  you mean the heading color?
16:33:10
Watusimoto
yes
16:33:12
raptor
ah
16:33:20
Watusimoto
I don't care for the font (but don't hate it either)
16:33:45
Watusimoto
but our site doens't play well with mobile, I suspect
16:34:01
raptor
the new one does
16:34:13
Watusimoto
yes
16:34:39
Watusimoto
but I'm not sure that really matters as we have very little to offer mobile
16:35:11
Watusimoto
the only thing there is probably the game status, perhaps the stats page, and maybe a video or screenshot or two
16:35:18
Watusimoto
nothing else is really relevant
16:35:40
Watusimoto
maybe including the ships would make the wordpress theme look better
16:37:18
Watusimoto
specifically, what I like about the current site are the following:
16:37:39
Watusimoto
1) The way the gray frame ties in with the forums (and it just looks good)
16:37:51
Watusimoto
2) the way the site in general is themed consistenlty with the game
16:38:06
Watusimoto
3) the maroon/gray buttons at the top
16:38:38
Watusimoto
4) the way those buttons , along with the logo and ships, frame-the-frame
16:38:47
Watusimoto
5) the stars in the bg
16:39:05
Watusimoto
6) the blue we used for the links
16:39:25
Watusimoto
7) the fact that you can see the game status widget at the very top of the screen
16:39:50
Watusimoto
that's about it for my list
16:39:55
raptor
are you talking about *just* the forums?
16:40:13
Watusimoto
no
16:40:21
Watusimoto
I was looking at the main home page when I made that list
16:40:24
raptor
because that's the only place #7 is at the top
16:40:50
Watusimoto
I actually like it's placement on the home page better
16:41:06
Watusimoto
visible at the top, but out of the way
16:41:16
Watusimoto
in the forums, it kind of disappears into the clutter
16:41:44
Watusimoto
when I'm logged in, the forums are waaay cluttery
16:41:49
Watusimoto
less bad when I'm logged out
16:42:10
Watusimoto
(by the time people get a login, they are already somewhat committed, and will be less put off by clutter)
16:46:08
Watusimoto
I'm going to watch one of the final episodes of Breaking Bad, then head to bed.  I'll stop by here briefly in about 45 mins to respond to anything that needs a response
17:07:48
raptor
hmmm....
17:07:51
raptor
well...
17:07:58
raptor
so I like the cleaner look of the home page
17:08:29
raptor
but integration with the forums in it's current state would be less
17:08:51
raptor
the frame-the-frame idea is neat, but would be replaced by the common scrolling header at the top
17:09:12
raptor
which means we'd need to use the ships for other nefarious purposes
17:09:45
raptor
I really like the clean - but forums, by nature, can never be clean, really...
17:10:12
raptor
I'm curious about kaen's opinion, too
17:42:38
Watusimoto
me too..  We can certainly work the ships into the new design, which would help somewhat.  But I still don't think it would be better
17:43:41
Watusimoto
anyway... we'll continue this
17:43:43
Watusimoto
good night
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kaen
I actually *hate* the fact that the website is styled consistently with the game
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17:58:06
kaen
it's a major impediment for lots of reasons, the first one being that humans generally dislike light text on a black background (if only at a subconscious level)
17:58:49
kaen
the second being that differences in monitor color range are especially bad between #000000 and #888888, so readable on one monitor might not be so on another
17:59:19
kaen
apart from that, the current look of /bitpress/ is promising to me
18:00:02
kaen
I think the header needs to be about 1/3 of it's current size (I try to stick with 3em, 2em font-size and .5em padding on top and bottom)
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kaen
I don't think it should be affixed, either
18:01:17
kaen
the second green "bitfighter" above the download button should probably be a "call to action" instead of repeating the game's name
18:01:48
kaen
bitfighter status might be better in the header, if it can be aesthetically done
18:02:34
kaen
for wat's ship fetish, I'd say we put those in the header and scale them down, maybe one on either side
18:04:20
kaen
it might be better to put blocks of text on a colored div with .5em padding, #AAA or #888 on #222 has been working okay for me on pleiades
18:05:21
kaen
another thing I did on pleiades was teal-infuse all of the grays, e.g. I use #888A8C instead of actual #888
18:05:50
kaen
keeps it from being flat-gunmetal and lets the #00F walls blend a little more with the rest of the site
18:06:16
kaen
I *really* like the bootstrapy screenshot on top of the homepage, but we definitely shouldn't have a truncated image unless there's a border around it
18:07:28
kaen
imo the blue for inactive/hovered links is fine, although the whole color scheme could use some fine rebalancing (this is really really hard to do, imo)
18:07:41
kaen
you made a good first crack
18:08:31
kaen
I don't know exactly what you wanted my opinion on, but those are my knee-jerk thoughts, raptor
18:11:24
kaen
wow, wat went full-bootstrap on /bitjunk/
18:13:15
kaen
what I like about /bitjunk/ is how it has the starfield at the top and then it drops to a much more readable simple gray background
18:13:51
kaen
and also the font, which works pretty well
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raptor
hi
18:26:13
raptor
ok...  have to read..
18:26:16
fordcars
Hi
18:28:28
raptor
kaen: are you suggesting to not have a stars background at all?  (and thanks for honest opinion)
18:30:41
raptor
that ring runner level is neat!
18:32:14
raptor
not even darkly themed?
18:32:37
raptor
my goals are these:  1.  move off of drupal (and wordpress seems very good)
18:32:48
raptor
2.  have everything work
18:33:00
raptor
3.  not look horrible (but I'm not good at this)
18:34:10
raptor
to see the theme I'm using, see here:  http://320press.com/wpbs/
18:40:51
kaen
I do like the stars background, but I'm not sold on putting text directly on it
18:41:37
kaen
regarding being darkly themed, I'm not sure either but that's definitely a big part of the difficulty of #3
18:42:50
raptor
anything look good here?:  http://sixrevisions.com/design-showcase-inspiration/dark-web-designs-inspiration/
18:43:14
fordcars
Black background with stars and grey rounded rectangle with text on it?
18:43:54
fordcars
Kindof of like forums
18:43:58
raptor
seems like grey and textured-gray are the favorites - no text on stars...
18:45:35
raptor
actually after looking through those designs...  I'm not sure I really like dark-themed ones at all now..
18:45:51
kaen
well, one thing about good dark designs
18:46:04
kaen
they have a lot of textured images used to divide the page into sections
18:46:29
kaen
one exception being that "la bubbly" one, which has a like retro-ish typeface and chrome
18:47:02
kaen
and hi-res textured images goes against the vector-style motif
18:47:09
fordcars
http://acc6.its.brooklyn.cuny.edu/~gurwitz/core5/nav2tool.html
18:47:16
fordcars
Pretty!
18:47:32
kaen
uh, I have to disagree fordcars :P
18:47:39
fordcars
:PPPPP
18:48:05
fordcars
1990s style html
18:49:38
raptor
yeah... that site won't even load, for some reason
18:49:56
fordcars
really?
18:50:43
fordcars
Oh wait
18:50:44
fordcars
NOTE: this page requires Netscape 2.0 or better.
18:50:48
fordcars
:)
18:50:55
raptor
heh...  looks like my connection to DNS died
18:51:12
fordcars
heh wow
18:51:49
raptor
be right back...
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raptor
back
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raptor
ugly page fordcars
18:54:36
fordcars
haha
18:55:04
fordcars
It's number 1 on Google too
18:55:28
fordcars
'Binary to Decimal'
19:03:24
raptor
so what do you think kaen, is my goal of moving off of drupal even possible?  It seems that watusimoto's favoritism of the old site and my inability to theme things is preventing this wish of becoming reality...
19:14:21
fordcars
Why do you need Dupral??
19:15:28
fordcars
Can't you just write an html?
19:16:30
raptor
we only need it becasue that's what we're currently using
19:16:44
fordcars
To make an html?
19:17:02
kaen
fordcars, writing raw HTML is unmaintainable for anything more than like 1-3 pages
19:17:03
fordcars
*Does Dupral make an htmnl?
19:17:14
kaen
yes, Drupal generates the html for us
19:17:19
fordcars
Oh ok
19:17:31
fordcars
Oh okokokok
19:17:35
kaen
it's called a CMS (content management system) and lets us write content at a high level, then makes the html for us
19:17:44
fordcars
Like home Page
19:17:50
kaen
yes, like that
19:17:52
fordcars
018a Released!
19:18:53
fordcars
Instead of <divdivdivdivdivccsscssdivdivdivinputcolorcool><h2>018a Released!</h2></csscsscsscsscscdivdivdviidvidvidvidvidv>
19:19:34
fordcars
Hehe you should make your own CMS
19:19:57
fordcars
Ok maybe not
19:22:35
raptor
so my only wish is to get off of drupal onto something more maintainable, and I'm butting heads with needing to retheme the site
19:23:28
fordcars
hmm
19:25:46
kaen
ok
19:25:53
kaen
I'm calling in the cavalry: http://www.reddit.com/r/freedesign/comments/1nvnmb/request_mockup_image_needed_for_open_source_2d/
19:42:08
raptor
oh wow kaen
19:42:14
raptor
you were thorough
19:44:20
kaen
yeah, I was trying to avoid the blank-paper problem
19:44:31
kaen
designers do a lot better with a few rules to break :)
19:44:41
raptor
last link mentions 3 pics
19:44:56
raptor
but only one is there...  unless i
19:45:01
raptor
m missing something
19:46:25
kaen
nice catch
19:46:26
kaen
fixed it
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bobdaduck
HEY RAPTOROR
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bobdaduck
RAPTOROROROROR
20:43:31
bobdaduck
RAPTUR
20:43:33
bobdaduck
RUPTER
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bobdaduck
RAPTOR
20:44:24
bobdaduck
cd \program files\bitfighter bitfighter -leveldir "gladiators" -masterscript "gladiator.levelgen" -dedicated
20:45:37
fordcars
bitfighter ini!
20:45:43
fordcars
It<s in there mate!
20:45:48
fordcars
????????
20:45:57
bobdaduck
yeah I know but a command line option
20:46:03
bobdaduck
so that I don't have to edit the ini every time
20:46:03
fordcars
:P k
20:47:49
raptor
hi
20:48:19
raptor
what is that...  commandline option for global script?
20:48:25
raptor
i thought we had something like that..
20:49:07
bobdaduck
Not that I'm aware of
20:49:25
bobdaduck
...not that anyone seems to even know what command line is
20:49:39
raptor
the output of 'bitfighter -help' is horrible
20:49:42
bobdaduck
but back in Zap! it was literally the only way to run a server with bots
20:52:29
raptor
bobdaduck: first impressions?: http://bitfighter.org/bitpress/
20:52:38
bobdaduck
before I click on that
20:52:43
bobdaduck
define "first impressions"
20:53:24
raptor
I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place - I need to upgrade the website, but I'm stuck because the theme would have to change
20:53:33
raptor
and I hate theming
20:53:40
raptor
so, umm, any impression
20:53:52
raptor
criticize to your heart's content
20:54:05
bobdaduck
Okay.
20:54:06
bobdaduck
So
20:54:13
bobdaduck
If we're going for "random words floating in space"
20:54:16
bobdaduck
they should be animated.
20:54:24
bobdaduck
and sort of drift across the screen slowly.
20:54:44
bobdaduck
...which honestly might be kind of cool.
20:55:02
raptor
hahaha - ok, so text against stars is bad; kaen said the same thing and I think I agree
20:55:09
bobdaduck
Make the modules drift towards the mouse and suddenly we have an interactive minigame for a homepage.
20:56:33
raptor
brb
20:56:36
fordcars
Make the whole a huge canvas with floating text
20:56:54
fordcars
http://www.mrdoob.com/projects/chromeexperiments/google-gravity/
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raptor
maybe we should do a light theme, instead
20:59:12
fordcars
HEh
20:59:21
bobdaduck
lol
20:59:35
bobdaduck
I think we could do something with blue walls having the text inside them or something.
21:00:12
bobdaduck
fits bitfighter colors
21:00:21
raptor
kaen posted this:  http://www.reddit.com/r/freedesign/comments/1nvnmb/request_mockup_image_needed_for_open_source_2d/
21:01:18
raptor
because I'm horrible at theming, need to update the website, and it seems like nothing is as good as the old site (according to watusimoto, who is probably very biased because he put a lot of work into it)
21:02:56
fordcars
I have to say the website is fine for me though
21:03:22
bobdaduck
I like the old website... xD
21:03:28
fordcars
Me too xD
21:03:54
raptor
exactly!  but it needs to be updated to be more maintable and as stupid to fix
21:04:05
raptor
i guess that's saying the same thing twice...
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raptor
i did
21:11:22
raptor
it
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21:11:47
bobdaduck
you did what?
21:18:00
raptor
disabled rank marks
21:19:14
fordcars
ஜ۩۞۩ஜ
21:19:22
fordcars
Fancy symbols :P
21:22:13
raptor
odd game:  http://globulation2.org/wiki/Main_Page
21:23:40
raptor
even they are in debian...
21:23:43
raptor
man
21:24:21
fordcars
Wow yeah
21:24:58
bobdaduck
YOU GUYS WANT TO PLAY IT?
21:25:22
fordcars
TOTALLY
21:25:37
fordcars
I AM ALREADY A WARLOCK LEVEL 20!
21:26:13
bobdaduck
lolwhat
21:26:19
fordcars
dunno
21:26:30
fordcars
I AM AN EXPLORER LEVEL 2
21:26:33
fordcars
There
21:26:44
fordcars
Globulation2 terms
21:26:57
bobdaduck
lol
21:27:57
bobdaduck
DOWNLOAD USING THE FASTER
21:28:11
bobdaduck
STUPIT INTERNET
21:28:37
bobdaduck
I AM NOT EVEN STREAMING MORE THAN FIVE OR SIX THINGS
21:29:16
fordcars
raptor, http://ftp.belnet.be/FOSDEM/2008/maintracks/FOSDEM2008-globulation2.ogg
21:29:18
raptor
it's been like 5 years since i've tried playing this...
21:30:11
raptor
that's a 600MB file!!
21:30:20
bobdaduck
lol
21:30:27
fordcars
Crap really? Sorry :P
21:30:37
bobdaduck
ITS RUNNING
21:30:43
fordcars
Globulation2 doesn't seem too bad though
21:30:48
bobdaduck
HOW TO PLAY
21:30:50
raptor
bobdaduck: i'm in
21:30:52
raptor
don't remember
21:31:03
bobdaduck
lol
21:31:29
fordcars
WHAT YOUR PLAYING FOR REAL????
21:31:30
bobdaduck
Maybe it wants us to play LAN unless we register...
21:31:45
raptor
can't seem to register...  let me see about setting up LAN
21:32:10
bobdaduck
Aight raptor be at your house 10 min
21:32:15
fordcars
:P
21:32:25
raptor
uhhh...  not tonight - sick kids
21:32:31
bobdaduck
lol
21:33:30
raptor
ok hosting...
21:34:30
bobdaduck
what do I do.
21:34:32
raptor
ok
21:34:37
raptor
i need to open a port... one moment
21:34:42
fordcars
nice musique :)
21:35:20
bobdaduck
How am I supposed to connect to you LAN
21:35:24
raptor
ok
21:35:27
bobdaduck
...When I am not connected to you LAN?
21:35:30
raptor
can you type in an IP address?
21:35:35
bobdaduck
maybe...
21:35:43
bobdaduck
will try
21:35:50
raptor
magic - i make LAN happen over interwebz
21:36:02
raptor
use this IP address:  69.169.172.147
21:36:41
raptor
ok hosting...
21:37:03
bobdaduck
I hit connect and the game seems to have frozen
21:37:21
bobdaduck
says it couldn't find host
21:37:30
raptor
well boo
21:37:39
bobdaduck
boo!
21:38:07
raptor
now try
21:38:58
bobdaduck
I think its gonna explode agin
21:39:15
bobdaduck
couldn't find host
21:39:57
raptor
ok wait
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raptor
hostname...
21:40:02
raptor
hmmm
21:40:25
raptor
use this:   69.169.172.147.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net
21:40:57
bobdaduck
lol
21:40:58
bobdaduck
the measures.
21:41:12
raptor
ok well, rats
21:41:16
bobdaduck
can't find.
21:41:31
raptor
the game isn't as cool over the internet as I thought...
21:41:43
bobdaduck
lol
21:41:46
raptor
let me try the YOG account thingy...
21:42:12
fordcars
The yog master server seems down
21:42:20
bobdaduck
lol
21:42:21
raptor
no wonder
21:42:24
raptor
well great
21:42:37
bobdaduck
:'(
21:43:30
raptor
i think this game is deader than bitfighter...
21:43:49
fordcars
You must connect to a server, right now there is only one: the Ysagoon Online Gaming (YOG) server. Currently servers are active for alpha 23, beta 1, and beta 2.
21:44:15
raptor
except were on beta 4
21:44:16
bobdaduck
I think its hard to be deader than bitfighter
21:44:19
raptor
that stinks
21:44:27
raptor
yes, quite an accomplisment
21:44:40
fordcars
Haha
21:44:51
fordcars
X-moto is quite dead sadly
21:44:58
raptor
i liked that one!
21:45:13
bobdaduck
I think I'm the only one here who doesn't play random weird indie games
21:45:22
fordcars
WAIT
21:45:29
raptor
well..  i don't actually play them either
21:45:41
fordcars
PORT:7486
21:45:41
raptor
i play *old* random indie games
21:45:42
bobdaduck
but you people know about them!
21:45:51
raptor
fordcars: I got 7486 open
21:45:57
fordcars
oh okokok
21:46:01
fordcars
:3
21:46:20
fordcars
don<t we need to write that in the ip?
21:46:30
raptor
i don't know
21:46:35
bobdaduck
lol
21:47:25
fordcars
can you host agian please :)
21:47:30
raptor
ok
21:47:31
fordcars
*again
21:47:43
raptor
hosting
21:48:28
fordcars
awww not working
21:48:30
raptor
yeah, no way to connect via IP
21:49:06
raptor
ok, i guess i'm heading to bed...
21:49:10
raptor
good night!
21:49:13
fordcars
night!
21:49:18
raptor Quit ()
21:50:31
bobdaduck
night too
21:52:27
bobdaduck Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
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