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03:14:07 Nothing_Much Trying to work with Mumble with my bad internet :(
03:15:06 sam686 My internet kindof went bad too (624 / 2614 sent packet dropped) at the moment
03:15:34 sam686 ever since I added such packet drop monitoring into bitfighter, its much better then ping command
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04:34:04 raptor hi
04:34:11 fordcars Hi
04:34:21 raptor sam686: does you ConnectIon stats addition break compatibility?
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05:01:37 vs73nx yay schools out for the year! :d
05:01:39 vs73nx :D
05:01:47 Nothing_Much nice
05:02:04 vs73nx no more school for six weeks
05:02:15 vs73nx which means six weeks for coding
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05:03:49 bobdaduck I need a tester base.
05:04:13 Nothing_Much what do ya mean?
05:04:20 bobdaduck People to test a level.
05:04:38 Nothing_Much Ah
05:05:03 bobdaduck Apparently like everyone is afk though
05:07:07 bobdaduck pings raptor
05:07:15 bobdaduck pings vs73nx
05:08:54 bobdaduck Ehhhh
05:08:56 vs73nx yes  bobaduck?
05:09:11 bobdaduck Need testers for a level
05:09:28 vs73nx k im good for that
05:10:01 bobdaduck Who is kumool?
05:10:02 vs73nx what server is it
05:11:28 bobdaduck kaen?  sam686?
05:13:09 Nothing_Much kaen's been afk for a while now
05:46:34 kumool bobdaduck, i dont know, why dont you ask him?
05:47:10 bobdaduck lol
05:47:56 raptor hello!
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06:53:10 vs73nx is there any way to check all the values in the const string array editorBindingNames?
06:53:38 vs73nx or the normal const string array bindingName
06:53:43 raptor hi
06:53:48 raptor what do you mean by 'check values' ?
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06:54:51 vs73nx print
06:55:05 vs73nx there is no format specifier for const string
06:55:18 raptor oh
06:55:23 vs73nx Assert: Invalid value for bindingName! in /home/vs73nx/development/eclipseProgs/c++/vs37nx-work4bitfighter/zap/InputCode.cpp line 1781
06:55:23 vs73nx Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped)
06:55:26 raptor do  somestring.c_str()
06:55:38 raptor I think that's what you want
06:55:49 vs73nx tried that
06:56:15 vs73nx /home/vs73nx/development/eclipseProgs/c++/vs37nx-work4bitfighter/zap/InputCode.cpp:1782:53: error: �const string� has no member named �cstr�
06:56:56 vs73nx once this error is fixed i would of have finished the project
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06:59:59 vs73nx silly me i was writing cstr() not c_str()
07:00:02 vs73nx doh
07:00:20 vs73nx its printing the values for the normal editor strings
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07:03:22 vs73nx hmmm it is printing the values of editorBindingNames 3 times
07:03:59 vs73nx its fine cause i call it 3 times
07:06:47 raptor oh good
07:09:55 vs73nx but it still doesnt work :(
07:12:36 raptor I'm heading to bed - watusimoto should be up soon
07:13:02 vs73nx k good night
07:13:06 raptor night!
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07:30:00 vs73nx hi
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07:36:58 vs73nx just printed out editorBindingNames in gdb and im getting something cryptic
07:37:22 vs73nx looks ok to me
07:38:15 vs73nx the editorBindingNames http://pastie.org/8560081
07:39:32 vs73nx the bindingNames http://pastie.org/8560082
07:42:52 Watusimoto_ You need to look at that in the context of the structure itself.  Sometimes you need to dive into the individual items to get something meaninguful
07:43:12 vs73nx ?
07:43:25 Watusimoto_ maybe I misunderstood
07:43:35 Watusimoto_ are you still trying to figure out your link error?
07:43:43 vs73nx im way past that
07:44:06 Watusimoto_ ok, good
07:44:30 vs73nx althpugh it is complaining about this string InputCodeManager::getEditorBindingName(BindingNameEnum bindingName)
07:44:30 vs73nx {
07:44:31 vs73nx U32 index = (U32)bindingName;
07:44:31 vs73nx TNLAssert(index >= 0 && index < ARRAYSIZE(editorBindingNames), "Invalid value for bindingName!");
07:44:31 vs73nx return editorBindingNames[index];
07:44:31 vs73nx return "";
07:44:35 vs73nx }
07:45:11 Watusimoto_ is the assert triggering?
07:45:54 vs73nx yes but i disabled to find out why it isnt working
07:46:09 vs73nx so i can find the source of the segfault
07:46:49 vs73nx i need to leave to eat some dinner will be back in 10 -20 mins
07:47:02 Watusimoto_ ok -- I'll be gone, will be back later
07:58:34 Skybax Watusimoto_: Are timers still broken in 019?
07:59:05 vs73nx k back
07:59:19 Watusimoto_ timers?
07:59:40 Skybax Yes. Ford had said he couldn't continue work on my robot because timers are broken in 019
07:59:51 Watusimoto_ I think timers are ok
08:00:02 Watusimoto_ I don't remember fixing them, but I don;t remember them ebing broken either
08:00:13 Skybax Ford seems to think they aren't functioning lol
08:00:18 Watusimoto_ but we use timers all over the place
08:00:30 Watusimoto_ so maybe I need clarification on what he thinks of as timers
08:00:37 Skybax Maybe he's just trying to get out of making me a robot
08:00:50 Watusimoto_ ha, maybe.  anyway, I need to go.  later guys!
08:00:53 Skybax Bai!
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09:15:28 koda hello everyone
09:15:48 vs73nx hi
09:16:20 watusimoto hi
09:17:12 vs73nx watusimoto: did you see my valgrind output
09:17:19 watusimoto no
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09:17:33 vs73nx got a link above for it
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09:17:49 watusimoto I see the luink above
09:18:17 vs73nx i have next to no experience with valgrind so i cant decipher it
09:18:28 watusimoto it's tricky
09:18:34 vs73nx i know
09:18:48 watusimoto valgrind is a very useful program, but it is more for memory leaks and such than the problem you are having
09:19:17 vs73nx it gives me a memory problem
09:19:20 watusimoto it does suggest a problem here:
09:19:20 watusimoto InputCode.cpp:1786
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09:19:40 vs73nx thats my getEditorBindingName method
09:20:40 watusimoto it's doing something with a string that isn't good.
09:20:45 vs73nx it crashes at Zap::InputCodeManager::getEditorBindingName (bindingName=Zap::InputCodeManager::BINDING_RELOAD_LEVEL) at /home/vs73nx/development/eclipseProgs/c++/vs37nx-work4bitfighter/zap/InputCode.cpp:1786
09:20:46 vs73nx 1786
09:20:47 watusimoto but I can't say what from this output
09:20:56 watusimoto yes
09:21:01 vs73nx or thats what gdb says
09:21:31 watusimoto you said yesterday that you had disabled an assert
09:21:44 watusimoto in order to make it run.  is that correct?
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09:21:50 vs73nx today i disabled the assert
09:21:56 watusimoto right
09:22:09 vs73nx yes it was to run
09:22:36 watusimoto that may be a clue -- the assert should not trip; maybe you should re-enable it and figure out why it is asserting
09:23:02 vs73nx i deleted the assert                        TNLAssert(ARRAYSIZE(BindingNames) == BINDING_DEFINEABLE_KEY_COUNT, "Problem somewhere!");
09:23:18 vs73nx and its editor equivlent
09:23:40 watusimoto ok, that's the one I suggested you delete, and that's ok; we no longer expect that to be true
09:23:50 vs73nx k then
09:23:55 watusimoto so those were the only ones you deleted?
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09:24:03 vs73nx yes
09:24:21 watusimoto ok, I thought there was another
09:24:42 watusimoto so what is line 1786?
09:25:20 vs73nx the closing bracket for           string InputCodeManager::getEditorBindingName(BindingNameEnum bindingName)
09:25:57 watusimoto try putting a breakpoint in that function and step through to see where it is crashing and what is going on
09:26:03 vs73nx i did
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09:26:21 watusimoto did you step into whatever just prior to the line with the crash?
09:26:21 vs73nx 'it was at Zap::InputCodeManager::getEditorBindingName (bindingName=Zap::InputCodeManager::BINDING_RELOAD_LEVEL) at /home/vs73nx/development/eclipseProgs/c++/vs37nx-work4bitfighter/zap/InputCode.cpp:1786
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09:26:48 watusimoto so it's probably choking on some bit of cleanup -- some variable that's being deleted because it's going out of scope
09:26:59 vs73nx the prior line is    Zap::InputCodeManager::getEditorBindingName (bindingName=Zap::InputCodeManager::BINDING_FLIP_VERTICAL)
09:27:20 watusimoto but that line executes ok?
09:27:39 vs73nx yes but the following one dies
09:27:47 watusimoto the following one is the }
09:28:05 vs73nx nope the following one is Zap::InputCodeManager::getEditorBindingName (bindingName=Zap::InputCodeManager::BINDING_RELOAD_LEVEL) at /home/vs73nx/development/eclipseProgs/c++/vs37nx-work4bitfighter/zap/InputCode.cpp:1786
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09:28:25 vs73nx the full code is
09:28:27 vs73nx string InputCodeManager::getEditorBindingName(BindingNameEnum bindingName)
09:28:27 vs73nx {
09:28:27 vs73nx U32 index = (U32)bindingName;
09:28:27 vs73nx TNLAssert(index >= 0 && index < ARRAYSIZE(editorBindingNames), "Invalid value for bindingName!");
09:28:27 vs73nx return editorBindingNames[index];
09:28:29 vs73nx return "";
09:28:31 vs73nx }
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09:33:01 watusimoto ok, which one is 1786?  (sorry, getting confused!)
09:33:30 vs73nx the last line of the snippet of code i displayed
09:33:37 watusimoto the }
09:33:41 vs73nx yes]
09:33:52 watusimoto why are there two returns?
09:34:24 vs73nx if the first return fails it does the second one
09:34:42 vs73nx the two returns are in the stock unchanged ccode aswell
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09:35:05 watusimoto if the first fails, it will crash -- the second will never be executed
09:35:29 vs73nx it was in the normal getBindingName so i put it in
09:36:48 watusimoto I will admit that I am somewhat puzzled.  The only vars that will be cleaned up are ints, so that's not the problem.  But in the valgrid output, it suggests a problem with a string.  So there's probably a problem with ditorBindingNames[index].  is index a sane value?  (i.e. coudl this be an array overflow issue?)
09:37:09 vs73nx i think so
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09:37:18 watusimoto why not add this:
09:37:30 vs73nx if i get rid of InputCodeManager::BINDING_RELOAD_LEVE it crashes at the prior one
09:37:38 watusimoto printf("Binding name: %s", editorBindingNames[index].c_str());
09:37:43 vs73nx so it must be an array overflow
09:37:49 vs73nx k
09:38:02 watusimoto and may before that a printf("INdex: %d", index);
09:38:11 watusimoto since that first printf will probably crash
09:38:40 vs73nx k
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09:40:24 vs73nx Welcome to Bitfighter!
09:40:25 vs73nx INdex: 34
09:40:25 vs73nx Binding name: NoGridSnapping
09:40:25 vs73nx INdex: 35
09:40:25 vs73nx Binding name: PreviewMode
09:40:25 vs73nx INdex: 36
09:40:27 vs73nx Binding name: DockmodeItems
09:40:29 vs73nx INdex: 37
09:40:31 vs73nx Binding name: (null)
09:40:35 vs73nx Assert: Invalid value for bindingName! in /home/vs73nx/development/eclipseProgs/c++/vs37nx-work4bitfighter/zap/InputCode.cpp line 1784
09:40:38 vs73nx Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped)
09:41:01 watusimoto so now figure out which one has an index of 37, and you should be on your way!
09:41:05 vs73nx line 1784 is the assert
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09:41:42 vs73nx there is no index 37
09:41:55 vs73nx i only made 36 bindings
09:42:02 watusimoto well then... where is the 37 coming from?
09:42:20 vs73nx nup i made 7
09:42:25 vs73nx *37
09:42:58 vs73nx but there is nothing past dockmode items
09:43:19 vs73nx ahhh
09:43:37 vs73nx it starts at 34 which is the number of bindings in the BINDING_TABLE
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09:44:06 vs73nx ahhh
09:44:09 vs73nx i get it
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09:46:18 vs73nx the function is still starting at 34 even though i got rid of all the instances of the prevoius code from the origional BINDING_TABLE
09:46:43 watusimoto god
09:46:45 watusimoto good
09:47:46 vs73nx the code is now
09:47:48 vs73nx string InputCodeManager::getEditorBindingName(BindingNameEnum editorBindingName)
09:47:48 vs73nx {
09:47:48 vs73nx U32 editorIndex = (U32)editorBindingName;
09:47:48 vs73nx printf("INdex: %d\n", editorIndex);
09:47:50 vs73nx printf("Binding name: %s\n", editorBindingNames[editorIndex].c_str());
09:47:52 vs73nx TNLAssert(editorIndex >= 0 && editorIndex < ARRAYSIZE(editorBindingNames), "Invalid value for bindingName!");
09:47:57 vs73nx return editorBindingNames[editorIndex];
09:47:59 vs73nx return "";
09:48:01 vs73nx }
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09:48:15 watusimoto you can delete that 2nd return
09:48:44 vs73nx i did but it doesnt help
09:49:01 vs73nx its a problem with the index starting at 34
09:49:17 watusimoto no it won't fix your poblem, but it's just incorrect (but harmless) code
09:49:25 vs73nx which is the number of bindings in BINDING_TABLE
09:49:49 watusimoto well, now you need to look at where this is getting called, and figure out why the indexes are different than you expect
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09:51:57 vs73nx it is being called here
09:51:59 vs73nx void setDefaultEditorKeyBindings(CIniFile *ini, InputCodeManager *inputCodeManager)
09:51:59 vs73nx {
09:51:59 vs73nx ///// EDITOR_BINDING_TABLE
09:51:59 vs73nx #define EDITOR_BINDING(enumVal, b, c, defaultEditorKeyboardBinding)   \
09:51:59 vs73nx if(true)                                                                            \
09:52:00 vs73nx inputCodeManager->setEditorBinding(InputCodeManager::enumVal, InputModeKeyboard, \
09:52:04 vs73nx getInputString(ini, "EditorKeyboardKeyBindings",                              \
09:52:06 vs73nx InputCodeManager::getEditorBindingName(InputCodeManager::enumVal),         \
09:52:08 vs73nx defaultEditorKeyboardBinding));
09:52:10 vs73nx EDITOR_BINDING_TABLE
09:52:12 vs73nx #undef EDITOR_BINDING
09:52:14 vs73nx }
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09:54:04 watusimoto I think the problem is that you may have combined regular bindings and editor bindings into a single enum.  If you did that, it would explain why the enum values are higher than you think they are
09:54:19 vs73nx by setting the index to 0 i works
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10:06:54 vs73nx there we go fixed it
10:07:03 vs73nx int i = 0;
10:07:04 vs73nx / Re
10:07:04 vs73nx string InputCodeManager::getEditorBindingName(BindingNameEnum editorBindingName)
10:07:04 vs73nx {
10:07:04 vs73nx U32 editorIndex = (U32)editorBindingName;
10:07:04 vs73nx editorIndex = i;
10:07:07 vs73nx if (i < 36)
10:07:09 vs73nx {
10:07:10 vs73nx i++;
10:07:12 vs73nx }
10:07:15 vs73nx else
10:07:17 vs73nx {
10:07:21 vs73nx i = 0;
10:07:23 vs73nx }
10:07:25 vs73nx printf("INdex: %d\n", editorIndex);
10:07:29 vs73nx printf("Binding name: %s\n", editorBindingNames[editorIndex].c_str());
10:07:31 vs73nx TNLAssert(editorIndex >= 0 && editorIndex < ARRAYSIZE(editorBindingNames), "Invalid value for bindingName!");
10:07:36 vs73nx return editorBindingNames[editorIndex];
10:07:38 vs73nx }
10:07:40 vs73nx a dodgy fix but it works
10:07:44 vs73nx with no segfaults :D
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10:08:57 watusimoto ok good.  now that  you have a fix that works, and understand the problem, see if you can find a less dodgy fix (because that one is... pretty bad :-) )  Obviously, the values you are passing into this function are incorrect, and since they come from an enum, it means that the enum has more values in in than you think it does
10:10:08 vs73nx how about just settng the original index to 0
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10:10:30 watusimoto why are the enum values you are passing into this function so high?
10:10:38 vs73nx dunno
10:10:39 watusimoto look at the enum definition
10:10:56 vs73nx yes i see it
10:10:57 watusimoto I think it combines both normal key bindings and editor key bindings into one enum
10:11:08 vs73nx so different enums
10:11:16 watusimoto yes, probably
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10:22:03 vs73nx what is enumVal?
10:22:29 vs73nx in config.cpp it calls the keybinding functions and passes it enumval
10:22:40 watusimoto probably the column of the binding table that has the name of an enum, but hard to say without context
10:23:04 vs73nx #define BINDING(enumVal, b, savedInIni, d, e, f)  \
10:23:05 vs73nx if(savedInIni)                                                                                                                \
10:23:05 vs73nx ini->SetValue(section, InputCodeManager::getBindingName(InputCodeManager::enumVal),                                        \
10:23:05 vs73nx InputCodeManager::inputCodeToString(inputCodeManager->getBinding(InputCodeManager::enumVal, mode)));
10:23:06 vs73nx BINDING_TABLE
10:23:08 vs73nx #undef BINDING
10:23:10 vs73nx }
10:23:17 vs73nx it passes getBinding enumVal
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10:23:27 vs73nx so what is enumVal
10:23:33 vs73nx ?
10:23:36 watusimoto yes, so it's an enum value defined somwewhere
10:24:01 vs73nx but not in inputcode
10:24:31 watusimoto no, it will be defined somwwhere where BINDING_TABLE is used
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10:26:09 vs73nx you have any idea where?
10:27:24 watusimoto search for "BINDING(enumVal", and you'll find it
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10:28:50 vs73nx 719:86: error: no matching function for call to �Zap::InputCodeManager::getEditorBindingName(Zap::InputCodeManager::EditorBindingNameEnum)�
10:28:51 vs73nx InputCodeManager::getEditorBindingName(InputCodeManager::editorEnumVal),         \
10:28:51 vs73nx ?
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10:31:12 vs73nx nvm
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10:32:31 vs73nx 'seems to compile fine...
10:32:44 vs73nx and it works!!!!!!!!!
10:32:50 vs73nx yay
10:33:19 vs73nx is having a victory dance
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10:39:53 vs73nx watusimoto: im done the task and fully finished it, the code is at thus usual repo: https://code.google.com/r/vs37nx-work4bitfighter/
10:40:04 watusimoto great
10:40:16 watusimoto did you get rid of the dodgy fix you tried earleir?
10:40:25 vs73nx darn
10:40:29 watusimoto :-)
10:40:59 watusimoto Just work backwards... you know you are getting bad values in there... look at what is passing those bad values
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10:41:25 watusimoto where do they come from?  keep working backwards and you'll find the source.  I suspect it is an easy fix
10:41:44 vs73nx building luavec is failing
10:42:00 vs73nx i betta make clean and try again
10:42:05 watusimoto you are on linux?
10:42:29 vs73nx yes
10:42:39 vs73nx ubuntu
10:42:43 vs73nx 13; 10
10:42:49 vs73nx didnt fail before
10:42:58 watusimoto but it built before, right?  raptor made some change to the repo that broke luavec on windows; but that is now fixed, and I don't think it would affect ubuntu
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10:43:46 vs73nx yeah my build environment has killed itself
10:43:57 watusimoto does it seem depressed?
10:44:03 vs73nx yeah
10:44:14 vs73nx ill send you a patch for the change
10:44:46 vs73nx nup i screwed up the repo
10:44:58 vs73nx unresolved hg merge
10:45:14 vs73nx abort: unresolved merge conflicts (see hg help resolve)
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10:46:14 watusimoto I'm not good at resoiving these sorts of issues
10:46:32 watusimoto sounds like you have a merge conflict that needs to be manually sorted out
10:46:50 watusimoto I don't know the tools for doing that on linux, but it should be well documented on google
10:47:01 vs73nx there fixed it nvm
10:47:31 vs73nx ill push my changes to the repo and go to bed :(
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10:51:39 vs73nx watusimoto: the changes are at the repo
10:51:50 vs73nx off to bed for me
10:51:57 vs73nx goodnight everyone!
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10:52:00 watusimoto night
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17:54:48 BFLogBot Commit: b75cb8291423 | Author: sam8641 | Message: Created ColorPicker (To enter, press C on editor team selection)
17:55:10 sam686 http://sam6.25u.com/upload/color_picker2.png
17:55:22 sam686 may be back in about 45 minutes..
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19:33:50 Nothing_Much Hey Skybax_
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19:34:16 Skybax What's up?
19:34:41 Nothing_Much I'm hoping to learn some C++ so I could contribute, all I need now is to find some time
19:34:45 Nothing_Much And try to focus
19:34:48 Skybax Fun fun
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19:36:13 Nothing_Much I'd love to see if I can get my hands on an Ubuntu Phone and maybe an older Nexus 7
19:36:28 Nothing_Much Just to see if I can get a touch interface going
19:36:33 Nothing_Much For Bitfighter
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19:44:07 Watusimoto Nothing_Much: we've looked at it and can't figure out how it could work.  If you have ideas for how the phone interface might actually be configured, it would be great to hear your ideas.  Think about how the controls would work, moving, shooting, modules, etc.
19:44:26 Watusimoto we actually have a partial phone port done...
19:44:29 Watusimoto back later
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20:16:24 Nothing_Much I thought raptor said that you guys did have ideas o.O
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20:18:01 Nothing_Much My idea though is to double tap the sticks to activate the modules
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20:31:12 Nothing_Much Have a couple of buttons on the face to change the weapons and get to the menu
20:31:18 Nothing_Much Oh
20:31:41 Nothing_Much And you can have relative or absolute controls in the form of Bangai-O controls :D
20:32:19 Nothing_Much Bangai-O is a shooter with 2 different sets of controls, but there's only one control I'm focusing on which is the digital ones or the... hang on
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20:33:17 Nothing_Much Diagonal controls can be used as a D-Pad instead of an analog pad
20:34:43 Nothing_Much I might as well explain the other control from Bangai-O, which is the single-button control, where you move your ship in the direction you want to shoot and then you shoot with the single button
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20:53:59 Nothing_Much Watusimoto: check out the logs, I went on a semi-talking/texting spree
20:54:07 Watusimoto ok
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20:56:46 Watusimoto ok -- you need to have a button to hold to activate a module; think shields.  a double-tap won't work very well
20:57:12 Nothing_Much right
20:57:15 Nothing_Much with the double tap though
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20:57:26 Nothing_Much you can use it for a while when holding it down
20:57:41 Nothing_Much the double tap activates the module
20:57:49 Nothing_Much holding it down will leave it activated
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21:16:27 Nothing_Much wb Skybax
21:16:35 Skybax Wooo!
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21:41:20 Skybax Nothing_Much: Y'know, if you're broke and don't mind being a pirate, you can get Starbound of Pirate Bay lol
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21:41:28 Skybax *off
21:41:47 Skybax My brother and one of my friends got it that way
21:42:30 sam686 for the most part, the only people that hates pirate is the people that made the game/program
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21:47:31 Nothing_Much Skybax: c'mon man
21:47:36 Nothing_Much don't be lame
21:47:56 Skybax I have the legit version lol I'm just sayin if you really wanna play it you can always pirate it
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21:48:36 Nothing_Much don't recommend pirating stuff dude
21:48:38 Nothing_Much it's not cool
21:48:53 Nothing_Much not to mention that it can and has killed developers' motivation
21:48:57 Nothing_Much indie games
21:49:08 Nothing_Much luckily bitfighter is FOSS
21:49:13 Nothing_Much so it can't be pirated
21:49:44 sam686 bitfighter could be pirated but whats the point if free stuff is free?
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