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| 00:01:49 | Nothing_Much | raptor: do you have those commands for adding a map to a server? |
| 00:03:08 | Nothing_Much | nvm got it |
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| 00:05:40 | Skybax | How do you change the wall colors, again? |
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| 00:08:43 | Skybax | Nvm I found it |
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| 00:12:30 | Skybax | I just looooove red walls |
| 00:43:04 | Watusimoto | raptor: yes... going to sleep |
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| 01:04:39 | raptor | I almost used a goto statement... |
| 01:06:34 | kaen | tada! http://bitfighter.org/pleiades/levels/view/221 |
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| 01:11:38 | raptor | ha! |
| 01:13:58 | raptor | wow there's way too much curve on that map |
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| 01:15:58 | kaen | I think it's more fluid to fly around |
| 01:16:02 | kaen | than straight edges. |
| 01:16:05 | raptor | it sure is! |
| 01:17:15 | kaen | I think I got a little too liberal with auto-quartzing it, though :P |
| 01:17:23 | raptor | hahaha |
| 01:17:47 | Skybax | Auto-quartz? x) |
| 01:18:13 | kaen | I wrote a plugin that makes lineitems over the edges of polywalls :P |
| 01:18:22 | kaen | which is something quartz does a lot (by hand...) |
| 01:18:26 | Skybax | Ahh |
| 01:18:52 | Skybax | Cause Quartz has magic hands |
| 01:19:34 | raptor | sometimes I think getting Quartz to use plugins is like getting my mom to use a computer |
| 01:21:22 | Skybax | I didn't know HylianSavior was an admin.. |
| 01:28:28 | Skybax | Or maybe I did and just forgot |
| 01:29:43 | Nothing_Much | Hi everyone |
| 01:44:23 | raptor | it's been about 3 years, and I've never met him |
| 01:47:38 | Nothing_Much | met who? |
| 01:52:25 | Skybax | HylianSavior |
| 01:52:31 | Skybax | Apparently he's a Zelda fan |
| 01:52:33 | Nothing_Much | I've seen him in here |
| 01:52:39 | Skybax | Yeah |
| 01:52:39 | Nothing_Much | But who is he? |
| 01:52:44 | Skybax | He's an admin |
| 01:52:56 | Nothing_Much | On the forums? o.o |
| 01:54:13 | Nothing_Much | Holy crap you're right |
| 01:54:17 | Nothing_Much | But who is he? |
| 01:57:31 | Skybax | I don't remember |
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| 02:38:58 | kaen | Nothing_Much: did you get my pm? |
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| 02:42:33 | Nothing_Much | kaen: heck yes |
| 02:42:43 | Nothing_Much | It's been added to my server |
| 02:43:25 | Nothing_Much | but I'm curious |
| 02:43:34 | Nothing_Much | how do you change the goal # to something else? |
| 02:43:41 | Nothing_Much | or is it embedded within the level? |
| 02:43:51 | kaen | open it in the editor |
| 02:43:55 | kaen | in the level parameters |
| 02:44:24 | Nothing_Much | well |
| 02:44:27 | Nothing_Much | it shouldn't have to be that way |
| 02:44:33 | Nothing_Much | to re-upload the game to pleiades |
| 02:45:40 | kaen | maybe I don't understand |
| 02:45:53 | Nothing_Much | I mean |
| 02:46:13 | Nothing_Much | To change the goals as you would the time |
| 02:46:34 | Nothing_Much | Just enter an ESC menu item and enter the amount of goals you need |
| 02:47:32 | kaen | ESC -> Level Parameter -> Score |
| 02:52:51 | Nothing_Much | kaen: taz told me about bots |
| 02:52:57 | Nothing_Much | how do I get them and where do I put them? |
| 02:53:09 | kaen | there's a couple on the forums |
| 02:53:18 | kaen | you put them ~/.bitfighter/robots |
| 02:53:39 | kaen | /addbot s_bot |
| 02:53:41 | Nothing_Much | ah |
| 02:53:42 | Nothing_Much | well |
| 02:53:49 | Nothing_Much | where are they? in the levelgen section? |
| 02:53:56 | kaen | umm |
| 02:53:57 | kaen | I think so |
| 02:54:06 | kaen | I think only fordcars has made serious ones. |
| 02:54:33 | Nothing_Much | he wants skybot |
| 02:54:43 | Nothing_Much | oh there they are |
| 02:56:07 | Nothing_Much | omfg |
| 02:56:18 | Nothing_Much | pardon my language but fordcars can program! |
| 02:57:16 | Nothing_Much | alright |
| 02:57:18 | Nothing_Much | found the code |
| 02:57:19 | Nothing_Much | so like |
| 02:57:25 | Nothing_Much | how do I put it in my server? |
| 02:57:26 | kaen | yeah fc is really good |
| 02:57:37 | Nothing_Much | he says he only knows "basic" stuff |
| 02:57:39 | kaen | save the .bot file in /robots |
| 02:57:43 | Nothing_Much | bs, that guy can program! |
| 02:57:52 | Nothing_Much | well kaen, I meant from a server perspective |
| 02:58:39 | Nothing_Much | because there is no .bot file |
| 02:58:46 | kaen | oh |
| 02:58:47 | kaen | like |
| 02:58:50 | kaen | copy the code |
| 02:58:55 | kaen | paste it into skybot.bot |
| 02:58:56 | Nothing_Much | oh yeah |
| 02:58:58 | Nothing_Much | middle click paste |
| 02:59:00 | Nothing_Much | got it |
| 02:59:20 | kaen | most terminal clients let you use ctrl+shift+v, too |
| 02:59:23 | kaen | anyway |
| 02:59:30 | Nothing_Much | oh my |
| 02:59:43 | Nothing_Much | ctrl+shift+v is new to me |
| 02:59:51 | kaen | it's a game changer |
| 03:00:03 | kaen | also a great way to die in nethack |
| 03:00:03 | Nothing_Much | skybot? |
| 03:00:09 | Nothing_Much | wut |
| 03:00:15 | kaen | ctrl+shift+v |
| 03:00:19 | Nothing_Much | oh |
| 03:00:28 | kaen | accidentally paste a news article into nethak |
| 03:00:30 | kaen | die. |
| 03:00:36 | Nothing_Much | nethack? what's that? |
| 03:00:44 | kaen | uh... really old terminal game |
| 03:00:45 | kaen | nevermind |
| 03:00:48 | Nothing_Much | lol |
| 03:00:55 | kaen | so anyway yeah you just save that as robots/skybot.bot |
| 03:00:59 | kaen | then /addbot skybot |
| 03:01:00 | Nothing_Much | got it |
| 03:01:09 | kaen | hey let's test my level :) |
| 03:01:10 | Nothing_Much | well can't I just add it with just the menu command? |
| 03:01:24 | kaen | not sure |
| 03:01:27 | kaen | I don't think so |
| 03:01:34 | Nothing_Much | yeah dude, I tested it out, works nicely but the second gofast only works if you're at low speed going into it |
| 03:01:43 | kaen | I think it only uses the server's "default" bot |
| 03:01:51 | Nothing_Much | ah |
| 03:02:02 | kaen | oh dude |
| 03:02:07 | Nothing_Much | whoa I see eliza.bot orbit.bot projectileshooter.bot, etc |
| 03:02:08 | kaen | you're two versions behind :) |
| 03:02:23 | Nothing_Much | your map? |
| 03:02:24 | kaen | yes |
| 03:02:37 | Nothing_Much | lol I added the one on pleiades hours ago |
| 03:03:42 | Nothing_Much | oh you changed the name |
| 03:04:18 | Nothing_Much | btw, for 020, the autologin needs to work :) |
| 03:04:30 | kaen | taz is on the server, too. restart it and let's play :) |
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| 03:30:29 | Nothing_Much | CrazyLinuxNerd: Is freenode being silly for you? |
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| 03:37:32 | kaen | yay netsplits... |
| 03:37:36 | kaen | hi doemor |
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| 03:59:39 | Nothing_Much | Hello doemor, hawaiitaz |
| 03:59:54 | hawaiitaz | Hello |
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| 04:00:08 | Nothing_Much | How's it going? |
| 04:00:20 | hawaiitaz | Downloaded Stardust plugins and JUST put it in the folders |
| 04:00:35 | Nothing_Much | Oh cool, Stardust? |
| 04:00:54 | hawaiitaz | Yeah. But it took me a good five minutes - Kaens Avatar crashed Safari three times before I went UCP and killed avatars. |
| 04:01:13 | hawaiitaz | I didnt know those are immune to disabling java, javascript and plugins |
| 04:01:35 | Nothing_Much | kaen: You there dude? |
| 04:01:36 | hawaiitaz | Now I will use it for THE FIRST TIME |
| 04:01:43 | kaen | hello |
| 04:01:54 | kaen | good luck taz |
| 04:02:04 | Nothing_Much | Where's taz? |
| 04:02:23 | kaen | hawaiitaz == taz |
| 04:02:29 | Nothing_Much | oh |
| 04:02:35 | Nothing_Much | wow I missed the last 3 letters lol |
| 04:02:41 | hawaiitaz | Kaen how do I use F9 in BF |
| 04:02:50 | kaen | oh no |
| 04:02:54 | kaen | you're on a mac aren't you ... |
| 04:02:57 | Nothing_Much | Hey doemor, are you there? |
| 04:03:02 | kaen | uhhh |
| 04:03:03 | Nothing_Much | press the FN key dude |
| 04:03:08 | Nothing_Much | or "function" |
| 04:03:14 | hawaiitaz | I have one of those Mac keyboards |
| 04:03:18 | Nothing_Much | That's what the F's stand for |
| 04:03:20 | Nothing_Much | yeah |
| 04:03:25 | Nothing_Much | There should be an FN key |
| 04:03:34 | Nothing_Much | which mac keyboard do ya have? |
| 04:04:11 | hawaiitaz | idk |
| 04:04:21 | hawaiitaz | but its older than the fn keys |
| 04:04:27 | hawaiitaz | but not so old as the telephone wire ones |
| 04:04:40 | hawaiitaz | Ill wing it |
| 04:05:17 | hawaiitaz | think emac keyboard |
| 04:05:45 | hawaiitaz | BEATIFUL data:image/jpeg;base64,/9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQABAAD/2wCEAAkGBwgHBgkIBwgKCgkLDRYPDQwMDRsUFRAWIB0iIiAdHx8kKDQsJCYxJx8fLT0tMTU3Ojo6Iys/RD84QzQ5OjcBCgoKDQwNGg8PGjclHyU3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3N//AABEIAFoApwMBIgACEQEDEQH/xAAcAAACAgMBAQAAAAAAAAAAAAADBgECAAQFBwj/xAA7EAACAQMCAwcBBQUIAwAAAAABAgMABBEFIRIxQQYTIlFhcYGRBxQyobEjM0LB0RVDU2JyguHwJVKS/8QAFgEBAQEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEC/8QAGREBAQEBAQEA |
| 04:06:24 | hawaiitaz | http://www.macintosh-forum.de/28738-suche-apple-pro-tastatur.html |
| 04:06:24 | hawaiitaz | sorry |
| 04:06:30 | Nothing_Much | http://macosx.com/forums/mac-os-x-system-mac-software/319644-keyboard-no-fn-key-there-substitute.html |
| 04:07:48 | kaen | lol! http://forum.blockland.us/index.php?topic=96138.0 |
| 04:07:57 | kaen | "Quote from: Mega713 on January 11, 2010, 06:48:11 AM |
| 04:07:58 | kaen | So THIS is where ZAP originally came from. |
| 04:07:58 | kaen | i think its original name is bitfighter but people just call it zap." |
| 04:08:55 | Nothing_Much | lolol |
| 04:09:22 | hawaiitaz | oh hey. Kaen is your stardust thing the one on page 6 with subtract polygons, randomly scatter objects, simplify poluygons by removing vertex |
| 04:09:31 | hawaiitaz | Cuz I use F2 to get to that |
| 04:09:40 | hawaiitaz | on the help |
| 04:10:00 | hawaiitaz | or F1 |
| 04:10:11 | kaen | hawaiitaz: you really have to be able to press F9 to use those :< |
| 04:10:25 | kaen | I'm sorry, that's fixed in the next version :/ |
| 04:11:05 | hawaiitaz | @kaen: im confused, I dont see the letters F9 anywhere in my help menu. but uhh |
| 04:11:25 | hawaiitaz | kaen: let me try them first |
| 04:13:02 | hawaiitaz | eh control shift b just creates a spybug |
| 04:15:41 | kaen | that definitely shouldn't happen :/ |
| 04:15:49 | kaen | man |
| 04:16:01 | kaen | I didn't realize they were broken on mac |
| 04:16:40 | Nothing_Much | hawaii, I'd say to upgrade to an Intel mac, ppc is dying I think :( |
| 04:16:50 | hawaiitaz | ok I disabled the F9 key |
| 04:16:55 | hawaiitaz | it was expose |
| 04:17:00 | hawaiitaz | now F9 works |
| 04:17:18 | hawaiitaz | I have like dozens of old old stuff |
| 04:17:22 | hawaiitaz | for PPC |
| 04:17:45 | hawaiitaz | How do I do direct chat? With the red name? |
| 04:18:03 | Nothing_Much | hawaiitaz: what do you mean? |
| 04:18:20 | hawaiitaz | If you have the red name, only one person can see you right? So less clutter? |
| 04:18:28 | hawaiitaz | Because Im spamming atm |
| 04:18:49 | hawaiitaz | NM you just did the red name thing |
| 04:18:52 | Nothing_Much | oh |
| 04:19:11 | Nothing_Much | hawaiitaz: you gotta type down someone's partial name then hit tab :) |
| 04:19:28 | hawaiitaz | Nothing_Much: OHHHH like this? |
| 04:20:39 | kaen | hi again |
| 04:20:41 | kaen | hooray |
| 04:20:43 | kaen | ! |
| 04:21:01 | hawaiitaz | kaen: I have F9 working now, though I had to disable expose. |
| 04:21:10 | kaen | cool :) |
| 04:21:14 | kaen | and sorry :< |
| 04:21:27 | hawaiitaz | kaen: I'd also note that Control Shift B (Advertising the lines around stuff like biosynthesis) still makes spybugs |
| 04:21:49 | hawaiitaz | But the converter from wall into polywall worked close enough |
| 04:22:07 | kaen | it's supposed to work dead on :/ |
| 04:22:22 | hawaiitaz | Well I had a wall with lots of diagonals |
| 04:22:38 | kaen | if there's a bug, make a level I can reproduce it with |
| 04:22:40 | kaen | and I'll fix it |
| 04:23:00 | hawaiitaz | ok |
| 04:23:06 | hawaiitaz | i will go to pastebin |
| 04:23:08 | kaen | I'm also working on a set of video tutorial |
| 04:23:09 | kaen | s |
| 04:24:11 | hawaiitaz | kaen: At the Red spawn convert that wall into a polywall. |
| 04:24:13 | hawaiitaz | http://pastebin.com/zLYYCqEp |
| 04:25:27 | hawaiitaz | I wish BF had a quick level code copy/paste system |
| 04:27:11 | kaen | upload to db |
| 04:27:19 | kaen | /dlmap tazinator_bug_test |
| 04:27:27 | kaen | :) |
| 04:31:33 | hawaiitaz | hahah |
| 04:31:45 | hawaiitaz | Did you actually try it though? |
| 04:32:20 | hawaiitaz | Ill seriously do it |
| 04:33:00 | kaen | I did though |
| 04:33:04 | kaen | and I was being serious :P |
| 04:33:13 | kaen | it's totally ok to do that |
| 04:33:14 | kaen | anyway |
| 04:33:30 | kaen | yeah, that's actually how it's supposed to work |
| 04:33:36 | hawaiitaz | ohhh |
| 04:33:38 | kaen | it doesn't converte the outline |
| 04:33:43 | kaen | it converts the skeleton |
| 04:34:28 | kaen | I'm working on an outline converter, but that turns out to be an exceptionally hard problem. |
| 04:34:32 | hawaiitaz | strangely it just crashed BF. Tried it once you said that to check again |
| 04:34:39 | kaen | uh |
| 04:34:45 | kaen | that's definitely not supposed to happen |
| 04:34:53 | hawaiitaz | crash report? |
| 04:35:34 | hawaiitaz | ill pastebin it |
| 04:36:42 | hawaiitaz | kaen: maybe this makes any sense to you. http://pastebin.com/awiXQb08 |
| 04:37:40 | kaen | wow, that's awesome |
| 04:37:47 | kaen | I had no idea mac generated those things |
| 04:37:59 | kaen | yeah, that is crazy helpful taz, thanks! |
| 04:37:59 | hawaiitaz | Yeha when an app crashes it always makes a crash report |
| 04:38:03 | hawaiitaz | and asks if you want to send to apple |
| 04:38:45 | hawaiitaz | I might have crashed because my system is so antiquated though |
| 04:39:06 | kaen | I've never seen a crash there, but it looks legit |
| 04:39:11 | kaen | that's a very believable stack trace |
| 04:39:35 | hawaiitaz | *immediately googles stack trace |
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| 04:41:44 | raptor | I had to manually lookup the server BFLogBot was connected to to get here |
| 04:41:45 | BFLogBot | Calvin: I think we have got enough information now, don't you? Hobbes: All we have is one "fact" that you made up. Calvin: That's plenty. By the time we add an introduction, a few illustrations and a conclusion, it'll look like a graduate thesis. |
| 04:42:01 | hawaiitaz | Hello Logbot |
| 04:42:04 | hawaiitaz | Raptor |
| 04:42:23 | raptor | but I found you! |
| 04:42:26 | raptor | even ChanServ is here! |
| 04:43:30 | raptor | hi hawaiitaz |
| 04:43:37 | | raptor is reading logs |
| 04:43:49 | raptor | F9 will be come F4 next release |
| 04:43:58 | raptor | in the editor, to be friendly to OSX |
| 04:44:43 | hawaiitaz | Is it a Java specific quirk that F9 and F10 have priority to go to expose and what not rather than the application? |
| 04:44:57 | raptor | no, that's an OSX thing |
| 04:45:11 | hawaiitaz | Im going to boot up AOEII right now |
| 04:45:15 | raptor | no function keys above F8 are safe on that platform |
| 04:45:24 | hawaiitaz | And double check |
| 04:45:25 | raptor | you got bitfighter to crash? |
| 04:45:39 | hawaiitaz | I get lots of things to crash |
| 04:46:00 | hawaiitaz | Especially the internet |
| 04:46:12 | raptor | oooo, you're on PPC! |
| 04:47:34 | raptor | hawaiitaz: how can I duplicate that crash you got with that stack trace you pasted earlier? |
| 04:47:45 | hawaiitaz | ok |
| 04:47:48 | hawaiitaz | wait |
| 04:48:19 | hawaiitaz | DL this map http://bitfighter.org/pleiades/levels/view/222 |
| 04:48:35 | hawaiitaz | And hit control shift . on the wall above the red spawn in the editor |
| 04:48:43 | hawaiitaz | change it to a wall |
| 04:48:45 | hawaiitaz | polywall |
| 04:49:03 | raptor | with the plugin? |
| 04:49:09 | hawaiitaz | yea |
| 04:49:19 | raptor | the convert one? |
| 04:49:22 | hawaiitaz | yes |
| 04:49:28 | hawaiitaz | it worked the first few times |
| 04:49:31 | raptor | ok, thanks - will test |
| 04:49:36 | raptor | wait |
| 04:49:54 | raptor | it worked the first few times? is there a way to get it crash on a single test? |
| 04:50:03 | raptor | or did you do 'undo' between them? |
| 04:50:04 | hawaiitaz | I recall making a copy of the map |
| 04:50:15 | hawaiitaz | and immediately before I crashed BF, I uplodaed the map to Pleades |
| 04:50:39 | hawaiitaz | So it may have been a culmination of several things I did |
| 04:50:52 | raptor | ok, i'll tinker |
| 04:50:54 | hawaiitaz | And Yes I was undoing and redoing the plugin effect |
| 04:51:06 | raptor | on 019a or 019? |
| 04:51:10 | hawaiitaz | but not many more than ten times did I use it |
| 04:51:16 | hawaiitaz | I think even possibly less |
| 04:51:18 | hawaiitaz | umm |
| 04:51:33 | hawaiitaz | 019a |
| 04:51:50 | raptor | great, thanks |
| 04:52:27 | hawaiitaz | I also used the Control Shift B a few times. Apart from the converter I did nothing else with he plugin |
| 04:52:56 | hawaiitaz | that is all. |
| 04:54:36 | raptor | ok |
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| 04:59:02 | kaen | later skaters! |
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| 05:39:59 | locomoco | hey guys, whenever I test a certain level like 30 bots auto spawn |
| 05:40:06 | locomoco | idk how to fix it, my brother did this |
| 05:40:47 | raptor | press ESC, do 'fewer bots' |
| 05:44:54 | locomoco | ahh yeah but |
| 05:44:58 | locomoco | when I test the level again |
| 05:45:02 | locomoco | theyre all back |
| 05:45:12 | raptor | maybe he added them to the level file itself |
| 05:45:19 | raptor | is it on one particular level? |
| 05:45:58 | locomoco | no all of them |
| 05:46:46 | locomoco | on all of them |
| 05:47:00 | raptor | ok |
| 05:47:10 | raptor | are you comfortable editing the bitfighter.ini? |
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| 05:47:37 | locomoco | yes |
| 05:47:57 | raptor | oh |
| 05:48:01 | raptor | actually |
| 05:48:06 | raptor | under the HOST GAME menu |
| 05:48:11 | raptor | there is a ROBOTS section |
| 05:48:35 | locomoco | haha |
| 05:48:36 | raptor | change the MINIMUM PLAYERS to be a lower number |
| 05:48:39 | locomoco | thanks it fixed it |
| 05:48:42 | raptor | oh good |
| 05:49:15 | locomoco | now if I could get kaens colorful outline tool to work |
| 05:50:09 | raptor | oh, you are taz? |
| 05:50:14 | locomoco | yes |
| 05:50:18 | raptor | ok |
| 05:50:23 | | locomoco is now known as tazhawaii |
| 05:50:52 | tazhawaii | any progress or possible reason it just makes spybugs? |
| 05:51:21 | raptor | i'm not sure i know what you're talking about |
| 05:51:32 | tazhawaii | control shift B makes spybugs for me |
| 05:51:43 | raptor | ah, and that is the plugin key? |
| 05:51:51 | tazhawaii | yes. |
| 05:51:57 | tazhawaii | its bizarre |
| 05:52:23 | raptor | ctrl shift b is probably not set for the plugin |
| 05:52:38 | tazhawaii | the F9 menu lists it |
| 05:52:56 | raptor | oh weird - it does that for me, too... |
| 05:53:03 | tazhawaii | IM NOT ALONE |
| 05:55:55 | raptor | man... you keep finding bugs and I was going to release tonight.. |
| 05:57:51 | tazhawaii | Well, I've been on all day off and on |
| 06:01:07 | tazhawaii | Ahh raptor |
| 06:01:39 | tazhawaii | Control Shift B, while listed as the hotkey (which doesnt work)... I hit F9 and brought the menu up and clicked on Autoborder |
| 06:01:44 | tazhawaii | after clicking on a polygon |
| 06:01:53 | tazhawaii | That actually worked as intended |
| 06:01:59 | tazhawaii | Seems the hotkey is what's broken |
| 06:02:37 | tazhawaii | I did not realize till literally just now you could click those things |
| 06:03:24 | raptor | ha! |
| 06:05:46 | tazhawaii | hah i just figured out why |
| 06:06:08 | tazhawaii | I checked the ini and searched for "shift+B" |
| 06:11:55 | tazhawaii | I think.. it's because the hotkey is already taken |
| 06:11:58 | raptor | ah ha! |
| 06:12:03 | raptor | yep, already taken |
| 06:12:08 | raptor | so the plugin needs to be remapped |
| 06:12:17 | tazhawaii | That part you may do |
| 06:12:27 | tazhawaii | I have no idea how to do that (and not for lack of trying!) |
| 06:12:36 | raptor | it's not an official plugin |
| 06:12:59 | raptor | you can go to the 'editor_plugins' folder and edit the autoborder.lua file |
| 06:13:03 | raptor | to change teh hotkey |
| 06:13:58 | tazhawaii | thats actually what I did |
| 06:14:09 | tazhawaii | nothing happens far as i can tell |
| 06:14:20 | tazhawaii | it still says Control + Shift + B is the hotkey |
| 06:16:07 | raptor | you cannot change the file if your in the editor already |
| 06:16:15 | raptor | *you're |
| 06:17:02 | tazhawaii | I've quit and reopened a lot of times |
| 06:17:08 | tazhawaii | Do you mean once it is installed |
| 06:17:13 | tazhawaii | it's a bitch to remove? |
| 06:17:20 | tazhawaii | pardon my language |
| 06:17:26 | raptor | no, you just can't edit things while the game is running |
| 06:17:45 | tazhawaii | I assumed that myself |
| 06:17:49 | raptor | edit text file things like scripts and the INI, because the game has that loaded |
| 06:17:50 | raptor | ok |
| 06:17:53 | tazhawaii | but |
| 06:18:02 | tazhawaii | i mean i reopened over 10 times |
| 06:18:08 | tazhawaii | after saving my changes |
| 06:18:49 | tazhawaii | oh I see |
| 06:18:55 | tazhawaii | I have to edit the ini file too |
| 06:19:07 | tazhawaii | I overlook the simplest things |
| 06:19:11 | raptor | haha |
| 06:19:23 | raptor | i forgot we coded the INI file to override the plugin... |
| 06:19:37 | tazhawaii | eh this isnt as bad |
| 06:19:48 | tazhawaii | as the times I attempted to use DOS |
| 06:19:50 | tazhawaii | or Linux |
| 06:19:55 | tazhawaii | keyword attempted |
| 06:20:23 | tazhawaii | now I just want to have a farm |
| 06:20:54 | tazhawaii | I dont want to be a programmer |
| 06:21:17 | raptor | that's what I said - now my programming skills feed the family... |
| 06:21:50 | tazhawaii | Nah I might actually go the route of scholar. church scholar, at that! |
| 06:22:09 | raptor | where do you live? |
| 06:22:12 | tazhawaii | Hawaii |
| 06:22:18 | tazhawaii | But I plan to live abroad one day |
| 06:22:32 | raptor | your vernacular is a lot different than mine |
| 06:22:43 | tazhawaii | Yeah mine is weird because |
| 06:22:47 | tazhawaii | my dad is a new yorker |
| 06:22:50 | raptor | hawaii should be close to mine.. |
| 06:22:53 | tazhawaii | and Im surrounded by local hawaii accents |
| 06:23:09 | tazhawaii | Im not really as local as everyone else, right? |
| 06:23:14 | raptor | i grew up in connecticut, then moved around a bit... |
| 06:23:28 | raptor | but connecticut and new york are actually wildly different |
| 06:23:28 | tazhawaii | im actually never left this island except once |
| 06:23:38 | tazhawaii | to go to oahu |
| 06:23:44 | tazhawaii | Never saw skyscrapers before |
| 06:23:48 | raptor | i went there once - it was too noisy |
| 06:23:51 | raptor | oahu |
| 06:24:14 | tazhawaii | Im from the Big island |
| 06:24:21 | raptor | oh cool |
| 06:24:27 | tazhawaii | the one thats probably going to get it's butt kicked by monsanto now |
| 06:24:40 | tazhawaii | cuz we banned gmo |
| 06:24:56 | tazhawaii | 4000 square miles! |
| 06:25:01 | tazhawaii | 5 volcanoes |
| 06:25:18 | tazhawaii | :D |
| 06:26:03 | raptor | haha |
| 06:26:34 | tazhawaii | hmm |
| 06:26:40 | tazhawaii | hows the fish fare in conneticut? |
| 06:26:47 | tazhawaii | did you like Hawaiian fish? |
| 06:27:54 | raptor | funny you ask, i grew up as one of the only people I knew who didn't like fish |
| 06:28:53 | tazhawaii | fresh fish? |
| 06:29:18 | raptor | didn't matter, I even disliked fried fish sticks |
| 06:30:31 | tazhawaii | what about RAW ? |
| 06:31:29 | raptor | ha |
| 06:36:44 | raptor | man, i was going to release... now it's late and i'm still fixing bugs |
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| 06:46:53 | fordcars | raptor, are you still awake? |
| 06:47:25 | fordcars | I keep trying to make some space on my Raspberry Pi, and I always end up removing only 1mb |
| 06:47:26 | tazhawaii | hey ford |
| 06:47:28 | fordcars | Hi |
| 06:47:43 | tazhawaii | he might be up |
| 06:47:44 | tazhawaii | [20:36] <@raptor> man, i was going to release... now it's late and i'm still fixing bugs |
| 06:47:52 | tazhawaii | its 20:47 now |
| 06:47:52 | raptor | hi |
| 06:47:54 | fordcars | Oh okook |
| 06:47:56 | fordcars | H |
| 06:47:57 | fordcars | i |
| 06:47:58 | raptor | almost midnight... |
| 06:48:01 | | BFLogBot Commit: dc19e143f1b0 | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Move onGeomChanged() to inside setGeom() |
| 06:48:02 | | BFLogBot Commit: e2e3179d08ba | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: If an objects geometry has not changed with setGeom() then don't update clients and waste network |
| 06:48:04 | | BFLogBot Commit: f5ed93c3ed04 | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Network improvements. Don't update clients if the team of an object hasn't changed. Also the same if the text in a TextItem hasn't changed |
| 06:48:06 | raptor | fixed some bugs, now for more bugs! |
| 06:48:12 | fordcars | Ohh commits |
| 06:48:33 | raptor | now to see about tazhawaii's crash... |
| 06:48:48 | fordcars | I deleted a bunch a files on my Raspberry Pi, and I only removed a few mb. I should of gained at least 300mb |
| 06:49:22 | fordcars | *using the file explorer's trash |
| 06:49:29 | raptor | tazhawaii: I'm not sure I can fix that PPC bug - it's with the SDL2 framework *after* I patched it to work with PPC |
| 06:49:43 | raptor | so it may be over my head |
| 06:49:54 | raptor | and I'm the only one qualified to fix it... :-/ |
| 06:50:04 | tazhawaii | raptor: it's cool, it's an editor bug so |
| 06:50:14 | raptor | no no, the fullscreen one |
| 06:50:14 | tazhawaii | raptor: and I haven't reproduced it yet |
| 06:50:19 | tazhawaii | oh THAT |
| 06:50:32 | tazhawaii | I think it happened on the intel too |
| 06:50:34 | tazhawaii | but I cant be sure |
| 06:50:36 | raptor | that editor crash is important to fix.. any crash is a critical bug |
| 06:50:49 | raptor | i'll check it out after looking at this editor one |
| 06:51:21 | raptor | those last changes should make bobdaduck happy as they increase performance on crazy levels like his DnD |
| 06:53:24 | raptor | tazhawaii: you say it only crashed once on you? |
| 06:53:59 | tazhawaii | Yes |
| 06:54:08 | raptor | and could not duplicate |
| 06:54:09 | raptor | ? |
| 06:54:11 | tazhawaii | only once, and I wonder if I simply taxed the system too hard |
| 06:54:13 | tazhawaii | correct |
| 06:54:16 | raptor | (because I can't duplicate) |
| 06:54:30 | raptor | the system should be able to take lots of 'taxing' :) |
| 06:55:00 | tazhawaii | On a G4 noooo |
| 06:55:21 | tazhawaii | I've never had BF slow down on me except with lots of bots. I'll say this, if it crashes it crashes |
| 06:55:30 | tazhawaii | no beachball EVER |
| 06:55:33 | tazhawaii | in Bitfighter |
| 06:55:42 | tazhawaii | idk if that means anything though lol |
| 06:55:48 | raptor | oh good, we aim to be fast :) |
| 06:56:29 | tazhawaii | Im actually thinking of getting a non mac |
| 06:56:40 | tazhawaii | since the mac mini didnt even last a year |
| 06:57:16 | tazhawaii | anyway |
| 06:57:31 | tazhawaii | I dont evne know why I started talking about non macs |
| 06:57:36 | tazhawaii | must be hungry |
| 06:57:37 | fordcars | I haven't Bitfightered on a PPC in quite a while |
| 06:58:19 | tazhawaii | It's a middle end PPC of it's day |
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| 06:58:28 | tazhawaii | so reliable |
| 06:58:38 | tazhawaii | hi sam |
| 06:58:53 | raptor | tazhawaii: i cannot duplicate yet |
| 06:59:06 | sam686 | umm, card.freenode.net is split from freenode at this minute... |
| 06:59:09 | raptor | if you crash again, try to get it to duplicate |
| 06:59:27 | tazhawaii | raptor: I will keep that in mind |
| 06:59:44 | tazhawaii | is there a way to force BF to keep logs of the last five minutes? |
| 06:59:51 | tazhawaii | and delete anything older? |
| 06:59:58 | tazhawaii | or maybe stream the log |
| 07:00:13 | raptor | yes, there's a bitfighter.log |
| 07:00:18 | raptor | it all goes into there |
| 07:00:38 | fordcars | serverLog holds all logs yet I think |
| 07:01:14 | tazhawaii | haha my log is full of the same thing over and over |
| 07:01:16 | tazhawaii | 'setLoc()' is deprecated and will be removed in the future. Use 'setPos()', instead |
| 07:01:42 | raptor | also, tazhawaii, when in-game, you can see the console log by pressing '/' or 'Ctrl+/ |
| 07:01:43 | raptor | ' |
| 07:02:13 | fordcars | Really????? |
| 07:02:23 | fordcars | I thought that was only for the editor? |
| 07:02:32 | tazhawaii | cool! |
| 07:02:36 | raptor | yeah, we snuck it into the game, too.. :) |
| 07:03:50 | tazhawaii | ok goo night |
| 07:03:55 | tazhawaii | good |
| 07:04:08 | raptor | night |
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| 07:05:02 | raptor | i can't seem to win on OSX + SDL |
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| 07:17:57 | sam686 | Heres what my double-connect freenode look like while split: http://sam6.25u.com/upload/freenode_split_problem.png |
| 07:18:22 | raptor | haha, no way |
| 07:18:43 | sam686 | look at "sam686 on adams.freenode.net" |
| 07:18:54 | sam686 | then look at the other one |
| 07:19:43 | sam686 | you see now, there are several freenode servers, which is suppose to be all linked together, but its not at this time. |
| 07:21:48 | raptor | net split fun again |
| 07:22:08 | sam686 | which server a person is on, is displayed in /whois sam686 (or other names) |
| 07:24:15 | sam686 | note, don't use the same name on splitted freenode server, or else one renamed to guest12345 on net join. |
| 07:32:01 | raptor | i'm heading ot bed |
| 07:32:09 | raptor | maybe we'll release tomorrow again... |
| 07:32:17 | raptor | night! |
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| 07:35:20 | fordcars | Me too, night! |
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| 13:45:04 | Invisibl1 | hi |
| 13:45:13 | Invisibl1 | watusimoto ? |
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| 13:45:56 | Invisible1 | hi |
| 13:47:29 | Invisible1 | how do i copy something in putty? |
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| 14:11:17 | raptor | good morning! |
| 14:12:10 | raptor | Invisible1: if you're copying from one folder to another: cp /path/to/sourcefile /destination/path/ |
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| 14:34:30 | raptor | hi watusimoto |
| 14:36:23 | raptor | I was planning on building last night, but then people showed up with more bugs... which I wasn't able to fix (one I couldn't duplicate) |
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| 14:59:37 | YoshiSmb | i wonder if quartz will mow is law... |
| 15:06:56 | YoshiSmb | PS: Split-Screen work's well on BF |
| 15:07:14 | YoshiSmb | but this requires double cpu |
| 15:14:48 | watusimoto | hi |
| 15:15:02 | raptor | hi |
| 15:15:55 | watusimoto | how many new bugs? |
| 15:16:31 | raptor | one with SDL2 + PPC, but apparently not much of a bug anymore according to the forum response |
| 15:16:44 | raptor | another crash: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=awiXQb08 |
| 15:16:54 | raptor | but i was unable to duplicate |
| 15:17:06 | raptor | that was on OSX PPC, too |
| 15:17:17 | raptor | that is what is remaining |
| 15:17:34 | watusimoto | checkArgList should never crash |
| 15:17:35 | raptor | I fixed some network inefficiencies as well |
| 15:18:02 | raptor | yeah... I'm not sure it was something in our game |
| 15:18:06 | watusimoto | I would love to know what was on the stack |
| 15:20:23 | raptor | that __cxa_throw sig is something within an apple framework |
| 15:24:57 | raptor | so i'm thinking of building for 019c now |
| 15:33:37 | raptor | back in a little while, then i'll start building! |
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| 15:52:35 | YoshiSmb | hi kaen |
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| 16:07:26 | kaen | hello |
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| 16:17:25 | raptor | good morning! |
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| 16:29:14 | kaen | morning! |
| 16:29:39 | raptor | any objections to start the 019c release? |
| 16:29:48 | kaen | nope :) |
| 16:30:26 | raptor | and then we can merge our 3 repo heads into one |
| 16:30:44 | raptor | but actually, watusimoto, should we call it 019b or 019c ? |
| 16:31:11 | raptor | 019b was the quickie windows update |
| 16:31:19 | raptor | sort of, but the build number was still 019a |
| 16:32:05 | raptor | oh wait, I think there was still a bobdaduck weird bug... |
| 16:32:13 | raptor | with the Timer |
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| 16:46:11 | raptor | oh actually, that is bobdaduck's error with a missing nil check for idled clients... |
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| 17:11:28 | watusimoto | raptor: go for it. I don't really care what we call it. 019b is just fine |
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| 17:12:38 | watusimoto | on a different topic, I was wondering if it would make sense to allow levelgens to have some control over the score/time display in the LR corner |
| 17:12:43 | watusimoto | perhaps to insert a custom line |
| 17:12:45 | watusimoto | or something |
| 17:12:49 | watusimoto | no use case |
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| 17:13:45 | raptor | there is levelgen access to the /announce |
| 17:13:53 | raptor | bobdaduck even uses that |
| 17:15:03 | raptor | if you don't think there will be a problem using 019b despite the windows buld, then i'll use it |
| 17:15:12 | raptor | the updated build number wil trigger an update anyways |
| 17:15:16 | watusimoto | I don't think so |
| 17:16:15 | raptor | to the release!: http://board.net/p/bf019b |
| 17:27:39 | YoshiSmb | something new in 019b? |
| 17:29:47 | | BFLogBot Commit: ddb05e6721e3 | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Update version.h for release |
| 17:29:48 | | BFLogBot Commit: 3340193dd126 | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Tag for release |
| 17:30:03 | watusimoto | only some very minor things |
| 17:30:11 | watusimoto | bug fixes and such |
| 17:30:31 | watusimoto | it's main reason for being is to fix a big bug in the windows updater |
| 17:31:15 | raptor | i can't sem to change our etherpad... i think the firewall here at work is preventing it |
| 17:31:31 | raptor | building windows... |
| 17:33:12 | raptor | done through #6 |
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| 19:13:06 | raptor | OSX built |
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| 19:38:58 | raptor | has anyone else had the 'convert' plugin crash for them? |
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| 19:39:25 | locomoco | hey, taz here |
| 19:39:45 | raptor | hi |
| 19:39:54 | locomoco | ctrl shift . crashed again. and I mean it totally froze my system |
| 19:40:06 | raptor | that stinks |
| 19:40:14 | raptor | OSX PPC 10.5? |
| 19:40:20 | locomoco | as in, caps lock does nothing. it should at least light on and off on the keyboard |
| 19:40:29 | locomoco | so no log or report |
| 19:40:43 | locomoco | yes |
| 19:40:53 | raptor | can you duplicate? |
| 19:41:08 | raptor | that's a bad crash, but bitfighter has not been known to crash that hard... |
| 19:41:31 | locomoco | well, at least i know the source is ctrl shift . |
| 19:41:31 | raptor | yes, i'm asking for you to crash you computer again... |
| 19:41:42 | locomoco | havemt tried to duplicate yet, gotta turn it back on :D |
| 19:41:52 | raptor | because I tried a lot, and couldn't duplicate yet |
| 19:42:36 | locomoco | is there the possibility that this will erAse data on the hard drive? |
| 19:42:52 | raptor | only data that is open in a program |
| 19:42:57 | locomoco | because this is my dads computer and he wuld be pissed if i crashed his system |
| 19:43:12 | locomoco | well from powering down forceful |
| 19:43:12 | locomoco | y |
| 19:43:28 | locomoco | is what i mean would cause the data loss, not the crash itself per se |
| 19:43:46 | raptor | the data loss would only occur if there are documents open |
| 19:44:09 | raptor | it's possible to have data loss, yes, but not erase random bits of the harddrive |
| 19:44:27 | locomoco | ha but my mC mini intel |
| 19:44:38 | locomoco | seemed to get totLly wiped when i turned off the power |
| 19:44:52 | locomoco | dont know for sure |
| 19:45:05 | locomoco | we never really checked it so disregard what I just said |
| 19:45:10 | locomoco | but it did break it |
| 19:45:24 | locomoco | turning on |
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| 19:48:10 | locomoco | ooooh |
| 19:48:18 | locomoco | the weird text bug appeared again |
| 19:48:26 | raptor | which is that? |
| 19:48:28 | locomoco | i was testing the ctrl shift . just now |
| 19:48:36 | locomoco | ill screenie it |
| 19:48:56 | locomoco | i dont have i ternet on that computer atm tho |
| 19:48:58 | locomoco | so... |
| 19:49:03 | locomoco | the top says |
| 19:49:12 | locomoco | E OUR EDIT |
| 19:49:19 | locomoco | in big bold white |
| 19:49:29 | locomoco | on the red warning message in bitfighter |
| 19:49:36 | locomoco | then the regular text says |
| 19:50:13 | raptor | whoa, that sounds like your install is corrupt somehow |
| 19:50:44 | locomoco | ou h e not s ou ch n es to this le. el |
| 19:50:52 | locomoco | thats the next line, hard to reproduce by eye |
| 19:50:57 | raptor | wow! |
| 19:51:13 | raptor | locomoco: i think your bitfighter install is corrupt |
| 19:51:26 | raptor | but i am installing rosetta and am attempting to reproduce... |
| 19:51:45 | locomoco | i swear we talked about this before |
| 19:51:54 | locomoco | im taz btw |
| 19:52:01 | raptor | yes |
| 19:52:12 | locomoco | did we? |
| 19:52:17 | raptor | although it is possible that there is bad handle of a character array somewhere... |
| 19:52:30 | raptor | i'm not sure, but it seems familiar |
| 19:52:39 | locomoco | yeah the bottom says |
| 19:52:50 | locomoco | umm |
| 19:52:56 | locomoco | how do you write a square? |
| 19:53:25 | raptor | ok, so... |
| 19:53:38 | raptor | I think you should trash your Bitfighter.app and get the new one.. |
| 19:53:49 | locomoco | heh ok |
| 19:53:54 | raptor | I just tested on Rosetta, not getting any crashes... |
| 19:54:00 | raptor | or weird text |
| 19:54:31 | locomoco | i got it going from trying to quit through the editor menu |
| 19:54:47 | locomoco | but yeah ill do that |
| 19:54:51 | raptor | quit how? |
| 19:54:55 | raptor | quit the game? |
| 19:55:07 | locomoco | mm |
| 19:55:12 | locomoco | when you are editing a level |
| 19:55:19 | locomoco | just hit esc and quit |
| 19:55:28 | locomoco | and it gives the red box with that text |
| 19:55:40 | raptor | hmm... sounds like a memory error |
| 19:55:40 | locomoco | oh funny now it works |
| 19:55:53 | locomoco | i never did quit, just canceled |
| 19:56:13 | raptor | I fixed 1 or 2 memory errors in 019b - I just finished building it for OSX, want to try it? |
| 19:56:23 | locomoco | i would if. could |
| 19:56:29 | raptor | ? |
| 19:56:35 | locomoco | this is an ipad |
| 19:56:39 | raptor | ha |
| 19:56:53 | locomoco | the desktop airport wont work |
| 19:57:10 | locomoco | i think its outta range |
| 19:59:04 | locomoco | gtg walk dog. cya |
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| 20:21:50 | tazlocomoco | is tht 019b offer still open? got it on the net |
| 20:23:24 | tazlocomoco | in any case redowwnloading bitfighter, in case my install really is corrupt. |
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| 21:55:23 | Watusimoto | hi |
| 22:04:30 | raptor | hello |
| 22:04:47 | raptor | everything up to #14 is done |
| 22:04:51 | raptor | except #11 |
| 22:04:57 | raptor | Linux building |
| 22:05:18 | raptor | working on 11, 16 next |
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| 22:10:31 | raptor | that was a cool video kaen; fitting music, too |
| 22:10:56 | vs73nx | what video is this? |
| 22:11:16 | raptor | www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycklm18uQ5I&feature=youtu.be |
| 22:11:27 | kaen | hi all |
| 22:11:33 | vs73nx | hi kaen |
| 22:11:46 | kaen | just got back from a nice, sunny, walk :) |
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| 22:13:52 | Nothing_Much | very nice kaen |
| 22:14:02 | Nothing_Much | fordcars: you can't tell me you can't program dude |
| 22:14:17 | fordcars | Why not? |
| 22:14:51 | Nothing_Much | your bots! |
| 22:15:56 | vs73nx | I kinda got some of my friends hooked on bitfighter :) |
| 22:16:50 | kaen | cool :) |
| 22:16:56 | kaen | fordcars: skybot is awesome |
| 22:16:59 | kaen | is you did a great job. |
| 22:17:03 | vs73nx | too bad that the bitfighter server is blocked on the school network |
| 22:17:32 | vs73nx | in maths class there was 7 people on the servers |
| 22:17:48 | fordcars | Haha skybot |
| 22:17:54 | fordcars | Thanks :P |
| 22:17:59 | vs73nx | but i couldnt join in because the master server was blocked D: |
| 22:21:11 | fordcars | Well, you could play on LAN :) |
| 22:21:18 | Nothing_Much | I didn't get a chance to use skybot yet |
| 22:22:12 | vs73nx | tried hosting a LAN game but noone else can connect |
| 22:22:51 | fordcars | I am still working on Skybot actually. It goes fuzzy when it has a flag |
| 22:23:04 | fordcars | vs73nx: :/ |
| 22:25:57 | Watusimoto | fordcars -- ever done any C++? |
| 22:26:00 | Nothing_Much | fordcars: how do you get a LAN set up? |
| 22:27:37 | fordcars | Watusimoto, I did start the Learn C the Hard Way Book, and checked out namespaces and classes, but apart from that, no :/ |
| 22:27:50 | fordcars | Nothing_Much, I think it should wokr out of the box |
| 22:27:58 | Watusimoto | sounds like you chose the hard way... |
| 22:28:21 | fordcars | If you host a Bitfighter server, you should be able to connect to it using the /connect command in the Bitfighter lobby |
| 22:28:44 | fordcars | Watusimoto, I always do :P |
| 22:30:34 | vs73nx | I learnt java first, so C and C++ werent such a big jump forward for me |
| 22:31:56 | Nothing_Much | fordcars: I mean, how do you set it up? |
| 22:32:08 | Nothing_Much | because I thought you'd have to use the master server first. |
| 22:32:35 | fordcars | Nope! You just host normally |
| 22:32:52 | fordcars | And you can connect to it with your local ip, like 10.0.1.18 etc |
| 22:33:11 | fordcars | Or, if you are really willing, you can build and host your own private Master Server :D |
| 22:34:26 | fordcars | But actually, it will show up in the Server List, even if you are not connected to the Internet |
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| 22:43:03 | Watusimoto | I didn't knwo C++ when I started Bitfighter! |
| 22:43:14 | Watusimoto | I "learned on the job" |
| 22:46:46 | Watusimoto | that was Bitfighter, the hard way |
| 22:47:02 | Watusimoto | btw, C has no classes |
| 22:47:18 | Skybax | Hey fordcars, what coding language does the Pi use? |
| 22:47:55 | kaen | I imagine you could use any language :P |
| 22:48:52 | kaen | I vaguely recall seeing javascript bindings |
| 22:49:06 | fordcars | Yeah I know Wat :P I didn't you didn't before though |
| 22:49:49 | kaen | I didn't either! |
| 22:49:57 | kaen | I learned c++ by working on bitfighter |
| 22:50:20 | kaen | although I did know enough C to hurt myself. |
| 22:50:27 | fordcars | I always thought you went to an International school of Computers or something |
| 22:50:41 | kaen | hahaha |
| 22:50:42 | kaen | school. |
| 22:50:47 | Watusimoto | I *am* the international school of computers |
| 22:50:51 | fordcars | *University |
| 22:50:52 | Watusimoto | or something |
| 22:50:55 | fordcars | Haha |
| 22:51:01 | Watusimoto | you choose :-) |
| 22:51:24 | fordcars | I would love to learn C++ though |
| 22:51:26 | kaen | nope... I just read a lot and wrote even more. |
| 22:51:36 | fordcars | -> still looks gibberish to me |
| 22:52:11 | kaen | once you know another programming language, the only hard parts about c are pointers, malloc, and free |
| 22:52:12 | kaen | imo |
| 22:52:41 | Skybax | fooooooooord |
| 22:52:45 | kaen | and that's actually pretty simple, it's just that it's an awkward mental concept. |
| 22:52:54 | kaen | more than difficult. |
| 22:53:10 | fordcars | Skkkkyyyyy |
| 22:53:33 | fordcars | Pi takes whatever language you throw at it ;) |
| 22:53:35 | bobdaduck | I'm pretty sure that every single developer who has ever worked on bitfighter learned C++ from it |
| 22:54:28 | kaen | I dunno about sam... I think he was born with innate knowledge of c++ |
| 22:55:07 | kaen | but the rest, yes that is my understanding :) |
| 22:55:37 | kaen | so, does anyone know who this hyliansavior character is? |
| 22:56:37 | kaen | someone pointed out he's an admin on the forums :P |
| 22:57:14 | fordcars | Skybax, to be more precise, Raspberry Pi is like a computer: it can take C, C++ etc if you get a compiler, Lua and Python if you download the interpreter... |
| 22:57:24 | fordcars | I have no idea kaen :P |
| 22:57:25 | HylianSavior | hi |
| 22:57:28 | kaen | hi |
| 22:57:30 | Skybax | Okay |
| 22:57:47 | kaen | sorry, didn't mean to ping you, I actually didn't notice you were in the channel :P |
| 22:57:47 | Skybax | Cause my brother wants to get a Pi but he wasn't sure what coding language he should learn to use it |
| 22:58:23 | Skybax | HylianSavior! Who are you? lol |
| 22:58:30 | HylianSavior | used to play zap and bf |
| 22:58:36 | HylianSavior | years ago |
| 22:59:07 | kaen | come back! |
| 22:59:08 | kaen | :) |
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| 23:00:12 | Skybax_ | Do you still play BF? |
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| 23:06:37 | HylianSavior | not really |
| 23:06:42 | HylianSavior | i showed up to one of the parties |
| 23:07:08 | bobdaduck | Oh yeah hylain is edshin |
| 23:07:25 | bobdaduck | He got admin when he was drawing up themes for the bitfighter forums or something |
| 23:07:49 | bobdaduck | He is a relic from the original Zap! |
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| 23:17:48 | raptor | bobdaduck: 019b has been released... sort of - have you updated? it should fix your weird textitem errors |
| 23:18:15 | bobdaduck | I was trying to host the party from 019b? |
| 23:18:24 | raptor | that was the fake 019b |
| 23:18:26 | bobdaduck | or did you just sneakily re-update |
| 23:18:27 | bobdaduck | lol |
| 23:18:28 | bobdaduck | k |
| 23:18:29 | Skybax_ | Haha |
| 23:18:30 | raptor | this is the *real* 019b |
| 23:18:55 | Skybax_ | What does 019b change? |
| 23:19:38 | raptor | not much - moves the F9 key to F4 for plugins in the editor (to be friendly to our OSX users) |
| 23:19:56 | Skybax_ | And fixes the XML error |
| 23:20:05 | raptor | yes, and a few crashes |
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| 23:20:17 | Skybax | And the weird fake team bug that I found |
| 23:20:17 | raptor | and some performance enhancements just for DnD |
| 23:20:21 | raptor | :) |
| 23:20:46 | Skybax | Are my rank suggestions going to be implemented in 019c? |
| 23:21:18 | raptor | i'm not sure - i think Watusimoto started doing something with those.. |
| 23:22:04 | Skybax | I saw that he changed the Google Code label to 019c |
| 23:22:33 | Skybax | If he wants I could calculate the XP points needed for higher ranks than 10 (as it seems we're going to need much more) |
| 23:23:01 | Skybax | Watusimoto, what do you think? |
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| 23:26:24 | Watusimoto | Skybax: no |
| 23:26:35 | Watusimoto | oh wait, 019c |
| 23:26:36 | Skybax | Okay |
| 23:26:44 | Watusimoto | not for the release that raptor is working on now |
| 23:27:00 | Watusimoto | I think the forumlas are not right, somehow |
| 23:27:02 | Skybax | 019b is released |
| 23:27:08 | Watusimoto | is it? |
| 23:27:28 | Skybax | Yes |
| 23:27:31 | Skybax | I've already updated |
| 23:27:51 | Watusimoto | are you referring to the one raptor is packaging today? |
| 23:27:55 | Watusimoto | or the older 019b? |
| 23:28:01 | kaen | we had an xml error? |
| 23:28:13 | Watusimoto | no |
| 23:28:14 | Skybax | Uhhh.... he just said that the current 019b is the *real* 019b |
| 23:28:20 | Watusimoto | we had an xml file naming error |
| 23:28:24 | raptor | downloads are up on bitfighter.org as of about 3 hours ago |
| 23:28:29 | Watusimoto | ok, great |
| 23:28:31 | raptor | and updaters should be working |
| 23:28:36 | raptor | i'm doing linux junk now |
| 23:28:44 | Watusimoto | board.net is not updating for me |
| 23:28:50 | kaen | oh, found it |
| 23:29:15 | Skybax | So do you want me to calculate higher ranks? Also, you mentioned formulas, are you referring to the rank formulas? If so, I'd love to discuss them |
| 23:29:18 | raptor | it's because I can't update it |
| 23:29:25 | raptor | but everything up do #14 is done |
| 23:29:29 | raptor | except 11 |
| 23:29:33 | raptor | *to |
| 23:31:10 | raptor | back in a bit.. |
| 23:33:27 | Watusimoto | yes, the formulas... when I performed your calcuation, the results were all over the place |
| 23:33:37 | Watusimoto | it looked like one variable was swamping the others |
| 23:34:02 | Skybax | Which one? |
| 23:34:10 | Watusimoto | you can try grabbing some stats from the stats page, and put them into a spreadsheet and play with the numbers |
| 23:34:12 | Watusimoto | I don't know |
| 23:34:20 | Watusimoto | I didn't analyze it that far |
| 23:34:56 | Skybax | It was probably games played |
| 23:35:13 | Watusimoto | I'm going to bed soon, but I still have the sql I used to do the computation |
| 23:35:22 | Watusimoto | so I can rerun it and show you the results |
| 23:35:30 | Skybax | kaen, does games played count only games that have finished entirely or does it count whenever a level changes? |
| 23:35:55 | Watusimoto | here is the query, for reference |
| 23:35:56 | Watusimoto | http://hastebin.com/mipokinuge.txt |
| 23:36:01 | kaen | it counts level changes too, I think |
| 23:37:16 | Skybax | Yeah that's definitely why, then |
| 23:37:41 | Skybax | 5xp for every level looked at lol |
| 23:37:51 | Skybax | Boom |
| 23:38:31 | Skybax | It would be great if that could count only games actually finished all the way through, but if not, that should be lowered to 1xp |
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| 23:44:08 | Watusimoto | good night! |
| 23:45:37 | kaen | oh... wait |
| 23:45:47 | kaen | there's a dnf_count column |
| 23:45:52 | kaen | (did not finish) |
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| 23:50:31 | Skybax | What does that mean? |
| 23:52:07 | kaen | so I think we can get the number of real games |
| 23:52:13 | kaen | total - did_not_finish |
| 23:53:17 | Skybax | We should do that |
| 23:53:20 | Skybax | And see what happens |
| 23:53:37 | Nothing_Much | so active in irc tonight! |
| 23:54:55 | Skybax | Yay activity! |
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