Timestamps are in GMT/BST.
| 00:04:51 | amginea | hmm |
| 00:20:33 | amginea | what happened to the BF trailer ? |
| 00:27:08 | | Skybax Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 00:38:15 | | Skybax has joined |
| 01:07:43 | | fordcars has joined |
| 01:28:44 | | Skybax Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 01:30:07 | | Skybax has joined |
| 01:30:12 | amginea | :) |
| 01:49:53 | fordcars | Hi |
| 01:50:05 | raptor | Hi |
| 01:54:09 | kaen | iH |
| 01:54:54 | fordcars | Whoa nice |
| 01:55:01 | kaen | I accidentally ordered an arduino |
| 01:55:06 | fordcars | Nice :) |
| 01:55:09 | raptor | accidentally? |
| 01:55:16 | kaen | and accidentally spent all weekend making various things blink with it |
| 01:55:26 | fordcars | Nice :) |
| 01:55:27 | raptor | hahaha |
| 01:55:41 | fordcars | I need to get one eventually, they look really cool |
| 01:55:46 | kaen | yeah, I was just surfing online and remembered how much I had wanted one |
| 01:55:51 | kaen | oh, it's so cool |
| 01:55:56 | fordcars | Which one is it? |
| 01:56:10 | kaen | mega2560 |
| 01:56:19 | fordcars | Ahh cool, loads of pins right> |
| 01:56:20 | fordcars | ? |
| 01:56:27 | kaen | I bought the big one without even knowing it |
| 01:56:27 | kaen | yeah |
| 01:56:29 | kaen | tons |
| 01:56:36 | kaen | more than I could even imagine using |
| 01:56:41 | fordcars | Wicked |
| 01:56:49 | kaen | it came with some differents sensors and outputs |
| 01:57:02 | fordcars | I have one micro controller, but it has 5 (!) pins |
| 01:57:05 | fordcars | Whoa really? |
| 01:57:11 | kaen | I programmed mine to improvise in C Major using the piezo buzzer that came with it |
| 01:57:21 | kaen | my girlfriend liked that |
| 01:57:29 | fordcars | Really?? |
| 01:57:33 | fordcars | That is really smart |
| 01:57:43 | fordcars | Unlimited music |
| 01:57:44 | kaen | yeah, it's really simple code actually |
| 01:57:48 | kaen | just randomly picks a note though |
| 01:57:55 | kaen | has no idea about melody or composition |
| 01:58:13 | fordcars | You should make it play jazz :) |
| 01:58:29 | fordcars | Same thing with different notes I think |
| 01:58:29 | kaen | and generating any arbitrary key or scale is a simple matter of a lookup table |
| 01:58:33 | kaen | right |
| 01:58:52 | kaen | I think it might sound more realistic... that's an interesting idea |
| 01:59:30 | kaen | I'd need to add syncopation or something though |
| 01:59:54 | fordcars | Maybe |
| 02:00:13 | kaen | anyway, it was just an experiment to see how precisely I could manipulate the tones through that |
| 02:00:22 | fordcars | Seriously awesome |
| 02:00:33 | kaen | it's pretty good, but I definitely need some proper speakers |
| 02:00:39 | fordcars | Haha |
| 02:00:43 | fordcars | They are really cheap |
| 02:00:44 | kaen | I want to play with analog synthesizers |
| 02:00:50 | kaen | that's what I love about it! |
| 02:00:57 | fordcars | Yeahhh! |
| 02:01:11 | kaen | I'm totally still a hardware noob though |
| 02:01:17 | fordcars | Haha |
| 02:01:24 | kaen | I've spent all day looking up how to use transistors... |
| 02:01:31 | fordcars | Whoa |
| 02:01:47 | kaen | all day being the last couple hours, but yep |
| 02:01:50 | fordcars | I did that not a long time ago |
| 02:01:58 | fordcars | Still don't understand, but meh |
| 02:02:09 | | fordcars Quit (Quit: Page closed) |
| 02:02:31 | | fordcars has joined |
| 02:03:18 | fordcars | kaen, yu should try building an 8-bit computer someday |
| 02:03:26 | raptor | tip for the wise - don't ever say 'soft science' to a humanities major |
| 02:03:54 | raptor | (vs. 'hard science' - e.g. STEM majors) |
| 02:03:55 | kaen | fordcars: have you done that? |
| 02:04:04 | fordcars | Lol, I wish |
| 02:04:22 | kaen | oh man, I bet he let you have it |
| 02:04:51 | raptor | the correct term is 'social science' |
| 02:04:53 | fordcars | I wanted to, I was like "Hey, why not?", but then realized with NPN transistors, I would constantly have to split the voltages or something, since these transistors amplify the current |
| 02:05:17 | fordcars | And, I know nothing about computers :) |
| 02:15:49 | Nothing_Much | what's going on? |
| 02:16:04 | Nothing_Much | What's an arduino? |
| 02:16:43 | Nothing_Much | another Raspberry Pi ripoff? |
| 02:17:04 | Nothing_Much | *alternative |
| 02:17:28 | fordcars | Nothing_Much: You haven't heard of Arduino? |
| 02:17:45 | fordcars | It was there before the Pi I think, they are 2 different things though, not the same league |
| 02:17:51 | raptor | it was a predecessor to the RPi |
| 02:18:33 | Nothing_Much | Whoa, really? |
| 02:18:36 | Nothing_Much | I never heard of it |
| 02:19:34 | raptor | it's less of a 'full computer' than the RPi |
| 02:19:42 | Nothing_Much | Ah |
| 02:19:43 | fordcars | Arduino has a slower clock, but no operating system, so it's lighter and better for projects when you need direct access to the hardware. The Raspberry Pi has an operating system, so you can connect to the internet and peform bigger task (computer tasks), but with a big operating system |
| 02:19:49 | raptor | mostly just a raw processor with some I/O |
| 02:20:51 | Nothing_Much | That's fascinating |
| 02:20:55 | Nothing_Much | I wonder how you'd use it though lol |
| 02:20:59 | fordcars | Lol |
| 02:21:03 | fordcars | Allot I think |
| 02:21:28 | fordcars | http://www.instructables.com/id/Arduino-Projects/ |
| 02:21:29 | Nothing_Much | A lot* |
| 02:21:38 | fordcars | Al ot |
| 02:21:43 | Nothing_Much | Oi, sorry, grammatical errors are a peeve of min- |
| 02:21:45 | fordcars | I never know how to speel that wor |
| 02:21:47 | Nothing_Much | A LOT* |
| 02:21:51 | raptor | try number 3! |
| 02:21:54 | Nothing_Much | It's not a word D: |
| 02:22:09 | sam686 | how slow does the CPU run? |
| 02:22:09 | fordcars | Okokok thanks :) |
| 02:22:20 | fordcars | !6mhz? |
| 02:22:26 | fordcars | I think, maybe 33 |
| 02:22:30 | fordcars | *16 |
| 02:22:35 | Nothing_Much | That's impressive! |
| 02:22:47 | Nothing_Much | That's a lot of projects there |
| 02:22:58 | fordcars | Specs are here: http://arduino.cc/en/Main/arduinoBoardMega |
| 02:23:11 | fordcars | Yeah, I really like the drum kit :D |
| 02:23:21 | fordcars | A lot of fun |
| 02:23:40 | Nothing_Much | Dang fordcars, did you make something outta your Pi? |
| 02:23:50 | fordcars | Yeah, I burnt it |
| 02:23:54 | fordcars | Lol nah |
| 02:24:01 | fordcars | Only the Led, by accident |
| 02:24:01 | Nothing_Much | Oh dear |
| 02:24:03 | Nothing_Much | Oh lol |
| 02:24:28 | fordcars | Yeah lol |
| 02:24:43 | fordcars | I got the sound to work with Quake 3 though |
| 02:25:06 | fordcars | And the Pi community got the open-source drives working for the GPU, so it looks good :) |
| 02:25:11 | Nothing_Much | Awesome |
| 02:25:16 | fordcars | But I still need Bitfighter on it |
| 02:25:20 | Nothing_Much | All we need is a bitf- |
| 02:25:21 | Nothing_Much | Yep |
| 02:25:24 | fordcars | Yep |
| 02:25:31 | Nothing_Much | Oh dude |
| 02:25:33 | Nothing_Much | DUDE |
| 02:25:39 | Nothing_Much | Oh wait nevermind |
| 02:25:44 | Nothing_Much | I don't know the libs to the RPi |
| 02:26:01 | fordcars | I want to make a mobile RPi à la http://www.raspberrypi.org/build-your-own-mobile-pi-to-go/ |
| 02:26:10 | fordcars | And have Bitfighter on the go 8) |
| 02:26:15 | fordcars | WassupÉ |
| 02:26:18 | fordcars | ? |
| 02:26:25 | Nothing_Much | Hah, dude that thing would suck on mobile |
| 02:26:33 | Nothing_Much | As a mobile device* |
| 02:26:39 | fordcars | Lololol maybe |
| 02:26:49 | fordcars | I should maybe get a Pandora then |
| 02:26:55 | fordcars | But it's pretty expensive |
| 02:26:57 | | Skybax_ has joined |
| 02:26:59 | Nothing_Much | Yeah it's expensive |
| 02:27:02 | Nothing_Much | However |
| 02:27:11 | Nothing_Much | If there's an Android port |
| 02:27:16 | fordcars | WHoa |
| 02:27:18 | fordcars | Nononon |
| 02:27:21 | Nothing_Much | You guys can get an Nvidia shield |
| 02:27:26 | fordcars | What???? |
| 02:27:29 | Nothing_Much | Nvidia sheild |
| 02:27:32 | Nothing_Much | *shield |
| 02:27:35 | Nothing_Much | .. |
| 02:27:37 | Nothing_Much | Sheild? |
| 02:27:49 | Nothing_Much | Shield, there we go |
| 02:27:53 | fordcars | There is an NVidia shield? |
| 02:27:55 | Nothing_Much | http://shield.nvidia.com/ |
| 02:28:03 | Nothing_Much | It's basically a mobile Android platform |
| 02:28:10 | Nothing_Much | Portal was recently ported to it |
| 02:28:17 | Nothing_Much | It's 250$ |
| 02:28:17 | fordcars | OOOOOHOOHOOH sorry I thought you wrote Arduino |
| 02:28:21 | Nothing_Much | lol |
| 02:28:26 | fordcars | Yeah, it would be cool |
| 02:28:31 | Nothing_Much | Nah it's just a mobile console |
| 02:28:32 | fordcars | I think Kaen will get it running though |
| 02:28:41 | fordcars | On Arduino, with Graphics |
| 02:28:49 | Nothing_Much | Honestly I don't think tablets and phones would work well with bitfighter |
| 02:28:53 | Nothing_Much | After thinking about it for a while |
| 02:28:56 | fordcars | He said he would get the know-how |
| 02:29:01 | fordcars | Me niether |
| 02:29:04 | fordcars | *Neither |
| 02:29:10 | Nothing_Much | Yeah, tons of control schemes |
| 02:29:10 | fordcars | But it's better than nothing ;) |
| 02:29:16 | | Skybax Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 02:29:16 | raptor | we just need someone creative with the appropriate knowledge to port it to android |
| 02:29:20 | Nothing_Much | Yeah, or there can be a bluetooth thing |
| 02:29:29 | fordcars | Yeah |
| 02:29:33 | sam686 | chances are, nvidia shield/stuff might not be open source |
| 02:29:41 | fordcars | I don't think it is |
| 02:29:44 | Nothing_Much | sam686: It's not, because it's Andr- Wait |
| 02:29:47 | fordcars | But it run Ardroid |
| 02:29:49 | Nothing_Much | The Tegra GPU? |
| 02:29:59 | Nothing_Much | Android isn't really that FOSS |
| 02:30:21 | fordcars | But it is Open-Source |
| 02:30:25 | fordcars | But yeah |
| 02:30:29 | Nothing_Much | Yeah |
| 02:30:35 | Nothing_Much | But Google locks down almost everything |
| 02:30:37 | Nothing_Much | Oh |
| 02:30:37 | fordcars | Windows is not open-source, yet Bitfighter runs on it ;) |
| 02:30:38 | Nothing_Much | http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2013/08/07/hack-your-shield/ |
| 02:30:42 | Nothing_Much | True |
| 02:30:46 | Nothing_Much | Same for Mac |
| 02:30:48 | Nothing_Much | lol |
| 02:31:01 | Nothing_Much | It looks like the Shield IS open source.. to an extent. |
| 02:31:09 | fordcars | Nice |
| 02:31:15 | sam686 | windows not open source, but its because thats where large number of people use.. |
| 02:31:28 | fordcars | Looks good ;) |
| 02:31:33 | fordcars | Yeah, that's true |
| 02:31:40 | Nothing_Much | Oh dudes |
| 02:31:59 | Nothing_Much | This might not affect Bitfighter at all because it's as lightweight as a game could get |
| 02:32:04 | fordcars | We need to convince somebody to buy a shield |
| 02:32:18 | Nothing_Much | But the next iteration of the nVidia Shield is gonna have a Tegra K1 |
| 02:32:30 | Nothing_Much | AKA a 2.5GHz SoC GPU/CPU |
| 02:32:39 | Nothing_Much | And it's super powerful for an ARM device |
| 02:32:42 | fordcars | Sweet :) |
| 02:32:48 | fordcars | 2.5 wow |
| 02:32:54 | Nothing_Much | http://blog.gsmarena.com/nvidia-shield-successor-feature-tegra-k1-chipset-4-gb-ram/ |
| 02:33:18 | Nothing_Much | I would totally buy a Shield if I had a job :/ |
| 02:33:33 | sam686 | If a tablet have a usb port that can run bitfighter, you could tape a controller into a tablet and have fun. |
| 02:33:42 | Nothing_Much | lol yeah |
| 02:33:44 | fordcars | Haha totally |
| 02:33:53 | fordcars | I don't |
| 02:34:05 | fordcars | Oh, I might get access to an Android soon |
| 02:34:06 | Nothing_Much | I actually bought a 20$ paperweight |
| 02:34:12 | Nothing_Much | Which is- |
| 02:34:14 | Nothing_Much | Wait |
| 02:34:18 | amginea | btw i really think we should put BF on steam |
| 02:34:19 | fordcars | Nothing_Much: ok? |
| 02:34:21 | Nothing_Much | fordcars: What kinda Android device? |
| 02:34:28 | amginea | i would pay for it.... |
| 02:34:29 | fordcars | Smart phone |
| 02:34:32 | Nothing_Much | Ah |
| 02:34:34 | fordcars | But I could get a controller |
| 02:34:34 | Nothing_Much | I have one already |
| 02:34:48 | Nothing_Much | amginea: On Steam it can be free |
| 02:34:58 | Nothing_Much | But yeah I'm backing it on Steam 100% |
| 02:35:04 | Nothing_Much | For it to get on Steam* |
| 02:35:04 | fordcars | Whoa it's only 200 $? |
| 02:35:15 | Nothing_Much | fordcars: The Shield? |
| 02:35:19 | fordcars | Yeah |
| 02:35:25 | fordcars | I thought it would be like 500$ |
| 02:35:36 | amginea | why dont we put it on steam then? |
| 02:35:53 | Nothing_Much | amginea: I think because the guys are busy :P |
| 02:36:01 | fordcars | Haha I guess so |
| 02:36:07 | fordcars | Probably |
| 02:36:25 | Nothing_Much | If there's an Android build that I can put on my phone then lemme have it! |
| 02:36:28 | Nothing_Much | *mini tablet |
| 02:37:07 | fordcars | Nothing_Much: I could try something eventually, will not get very far though, but I can't test it :X |
| 02:37:25 | fordcars | I would love one just to tinker around with |
| 02:37:32 | Nothing_Much | A shield? |
| 02:37:33 | Nothing_Much | o.o |
| 02:37:39 | fordcars | Android |
| 02:37:41 | fordcars | !! |
| 02:37:43 | sam686 | I think raptor may have attempted to do android build, bit I am not sure how far it went on that |
| 02:37:45 | Nothing_Much | Oh my bad |
| 02:37:52 | fordcars | Tis fine |
| 02:37:57 | raptor | it compiled, started up... then CRASH |
| 02:38:02 | fordcars | Aw |
| 02:38:05 | Nothing_Much | well darn |
| 02:38:12 | fordcars | Server working? |
| 02:38:17 | raptor | actually... i could join a game |
| 02:38:22 | raptor | couldn't move the ship |
| 02:38:29 | fordcars | Oh yeah, no controls |
| 02:38:36 | raptor | but a crash was always inevitable - something about openGL threading issue |
| 02:38:45 | fordcars | OpenGL is complex |
| 02:38:50 | Nothing_Much | Well |
| 02:38:52 | Nothing_Much | Yeah lol |
| 02:38:54 | Nothing_Much | Hmm.. |
| 02:39:16 | Nothing_Much | Wasn't somebody gonna put BF on the Ubuntu Software Center or in the Debian repos? |
| 02:39:35 | Nothing_Much | Because the convergence aspect of Ubuntu can turn a tablet into a PC |
| 02:39:40 | fordcars | raptor, but I think he is still working on it |
| 02:40:03 | sam686 | does dedicated build run on android? (if no, then the problem is not opengl/audio/SDL) |
| 02:40:59 | Nothing_Much | fordcars: I thought it was kaen |
| 02:41:57 | fordcars | Oh maybe, I don't know |
| 02:42:47 | sam686 | I have debian on my router... apt-get install bitfighter.... Unable to locate package bitfighter |
| 02:43:11 | Nothing_Much | I'm not sure how the process of maintaining a repo would work though |
| 02:43:15 | Nothing_Much | I'd totally do it though |
| 02:43:18 | sam686 | well as my router (with multi-ethernet ports) |
| 02:44:29 | Nothing_Much | Oh wait |
| 02:44:32 | raptor | kaen started the debian thingy - i offered to take over, then i got *really* busy at work. So nothing much has been done yet |
| 02:44:40 | Nothing_Much | There was a reason why it wasn't on Debian yet |
| 02:44:41 | Nothing_Much | I think |
| 02:44:45 | Nothing_Much | SDL 2 things and whatnot |
| 02:45:27 | Nothing_Much | raptor: Would I be allowed to maintain a Debian package at all? Would I have to code anything? |
| 02:45:34 | sam686 | Back then, I heard there was some license incompatibilities, maybe with "Triangle" part that was later removed/replaced.. |
| 02:46:33 | raptor | Nothing_Much: there isn't much coding as config-file editing and hacking |
| 02:46:40 | sam686 | the "triangle" was for bot zome generation, replaced with poly2try? |
| 02:46:43 | amginea | btw you do have to pay to upload Bf to steam though i say it would definitly be worth it |
| 02:46:51 | amginea | i would pay te 100$ :) |
| 02:47:08 | amginea | we probably could get hundreds of users if we go steam |
| 02:47:20 | amginea | that and iphone or andriod |
| 02:47:35 | raptor | amginea: that's very generous of you - I think watusimoto said he could easily provide the money. Our biggest issue is development time (and developers to fill it) |
| 02:47:54 | Nothing_Much | raptor: Would that be just configuring the .ini file in Bitfighter or does that go deeper into the package itself? |
| 02:48:10 | raptor | deeper |
| 02:48:17 | amginea | do oyu not have enough dev already ? |
| 02:48:26 | raptor | there would be several config files with different formats |
| 02:48:48 | raptor | and lots of reading |
| 02:48:59 | raptor | amginea: maybe in number, but not in time |
| 02:49:14 | amginea | i mean there you kaen watissimo sam |
| 02:49:19 | raptor | we're mostly only providing hobby hours |
| 02:49:37 | amginea | as far as i can tell you rpvide enough hours just with hobby time |
| 02:49:52 | raptor | a lot more research and preparation is needed before we fork over the money |
| 02:50:18 | amginea | honestly i dont think so in just your hobby time you already spedn the min time needed to keep the game up to date |
| 02:50:48 | Nothing_Much | raptor: Hmm.. could I get an example of the config file or something from the OpenSUSE repo? |
| 02:51:00 | raptor | Nothing_Much: yes, let me get you that link |
| 02:51:30 | raptor | here: https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/home:dbuck/bitfighter |
| 02:51:38 | sam686 | some popular pc games is not on steam (minecraft is one of them) |
| 02:51:47 | Nothing_Much | yeah |
| 02:51:57 | raptor | all the files starting with 'debian' and the 'bitfighter.dsc' are what's needed |
| 02:52:14 | raptor | although the openSUSE might be more automated than debians build system |
| 02:52:28 | raptor | i don't even know how to set up the debian build system yet |
| 02:52:45 | amginea | raptor what prep an research is needed still between all te devs you got more then enough plp and time |
| 02:53:41 | raptor | amginea: we would need to research the steam requirements/rules. If we can compy with those, then we'd need to understand how to build and hook into their platform |
| 02:53:45 | raptor | *comply |
| 02:54:04 | kaen | wow I missed a ton |
| 02:54:04 | raptor | then, if it is feasible, we can buy a dev license |
| 02:54:13 | kaen | I was watching more transistor videos :P |
| 02:54:14 | amginea | http://store.steampowered.com/app/219820 |
| 02:54:19 | amginea | rules for uplaod |
| 02:54:39 | Nothing_Much | raptor: A build system? |
| 02:55:32 | raptor | Nothing_Much: yeah... usually you have to build the package locally on your computer as a test before uploading to their main servers |
| 02:55:47 | Nothing_Much | oh OH |
| 02:55:51 | Nothing_Much | I can do that! |
| 02:55:54 | Nothing_Much | in a VM |
| 02:55:54 | raptor | which means you need to set up the appropriate environment |
| 02:56:06 | raptor | but this is the limit of my knowledge of debian |
| 02:56:16 | Nothing_Much | hmm.. |
| 02:56:29 | Nothing_Much | do you know OpenSUSE's build environment? |
| 02:56:46 | Nothing_Much | because I can find the relative Debian libs/packages/things for the build |
| 02:57:07 | kaen | Nothing_Much: the main hurdle is getting through the red tape |
| 02:57:50 | Nothing_Much | kaen: you mean the Debian devs? |
| 02:58:02 | raptor | i do know openSUSE quite well... i've been packaging for them for a long time |
| 02:58:03 | Nothing_Much | or something else? |
| 02:58:16 | kaen | I think there is still one or two packages we need, unless you can talk the security and ftp teams into letting us statically link against poly2tri and tnl |
| 02:58:18 | raptor | Nothing_Much: think of it as the DMV |
| 02:58:37 | raptor | err... DMV == red tape |
| 02:58:43 | Nothing_Much | DMV? |
| 02:58:46 | kaen | yes, but made up of programmers |
| 02:58:54 | kaen | and a legal team |
| 02:58:59 | raptor | which makes it so much worse... |
| 02:59:01 | kaen | and orchestrated primarily through email |
| 02:59:10 | Nothing_Much | oh goodness |
| 02:59:12 | Nothing_Much | well |
| 02:59:16 | kaen | and that's it |
| 02:59:17 | Nothing_Much | what about getting it into the USC? |
| 02:59:23 | raptor | DMV == place to get your drivers license |
| 02:59:25 | kaen | never heard of it |
| 02:59:25 | kaen | but |
| 02:59:31 | Nothing_Much | ubuntu software center :P |
| 02:59:40 | kaen | I would really encourage you to pursue a debian or ubuntu package |
| 03:00:03 | Nothing_Much | kaen: I'm a debian/ubuntu expert here! |
| 03:00:04 | kaen | if you can build bitfighter, you have the skills you need to make progress |
| 03:00:09 | kaen | if you're interested I mean |
| 03:00:09 | Nothing_Much | yep! |
| 03:00:18 | kaen | cool :) |
| 03:00:20 | Nothing_Much | :D Of course! |
| 03:00:26 | kaen | I'm happy to help if you get stuck, too |
| 03:00:31 | Nothing_Much | Sweet |
| 03:00:33 | Nothing_Much | Uh |
| 03:00:36 | Nothing_Much | Lemme get Debian on a vM |
| 03:00:40 | Nothing_Much | VM* |
| 03:00:48 | Nothing_Much | I'm loving this PC |
| 03:00:51 | Nothing_Much | 16GB DDR3 RAM |
| 03:00:58 | kaen | whoa! |
| 03:01:02 | kaen | I'm super jealous |
| 03:01:02 | amginea | btw |
| 03:01:03 | Nothing_Much | Heck yes! |
| 03:01:14 | kaen | this thing hangs if I switch desktops too fast ... |
| 03:01:24 | Nothing_Much | 4gb ddr2? |
| 03:01:31 | sam686 | my windows 7 cpu: i7-2600 have 16 GB ram |
| 03:01:32 | kaen | 4gb? |
| 03:01:33 | kaen | lol |
| 03:01:37 | kaen | 2GB |
| 03:01:42 | sam686 | my linux amd fx-4100 have 32 GB RAM |
| 03:01:43 | Nothing_Much | ouch kaen |
| 03:01:44 | amginea | if we ever suddenly get 500 users or somthing we are going rto be having master server issues.... |
| 03:02:05 | Nothing_Much | amginea: you're so positive! |
| 03:02:11 | kaen | amginea: I have prepared much hope and sunshine for that day |
| 03:02:20 | kaen | which is primarily what powers bitfighter.org |
| 03:02:32 | raptor | hahaha - it's so true |
| 03:02:57 | amginea | well i think the master server needs a slight adjustment cause if we suddenly get like 1000 user on BF Bf will be swarmed with like 200 sub servers and there will be alot of lag |
| 03:03:12 | kaen | funny story: I was trying to play with a group of new users today |
| 03:03:21 | kaen | and they kept kicking me every time I joined |
| 03:03:26 | amginea | see |
| 03:03:27 | raptor | ha! |
| 03:03:29 | Nothing_Much | aw |
| 03:03:37 | kaen | it's no big deal :P |
| 03:03:43 | raptor | i think part of the appeal of bitfighter is LAN party |
| 03:03:47 | sam686 | its probably not the game servers (there can be many), but mostly the master server |
| 03:03:49 | Nothing_Much | perhaps they wanted a test run or that! |
| 03:03:49 | amginea | thats another issue giving server owners moderating powers =p |
| 03:04:05 | kaen | that's not really an issue |
| 03:04:18 | fordcars | I got kicked too |
| 03:04:21 | amginea | one issue i can see is if we get alot of users your going to have some very ppl on Bf we need a way to give out BF master bans maybe |
| 03:04:28 | fordcars | They need to figure out how to put a password ;) |
| 03:04:34 | raptor | i abused my admin powers once |
| 03:04:44 | kaen | they did in the end, fordcars :P |
| 03:04:45 | Nothing_Much | doh |
| 03:04:47 | fordcars | :P |
| 03:04:54 | raptor | some dude was swearing up a storm instead of playing, so i kicked him |
| 03:05:02 | kaen | I don't think that's abuse |
| 03:05:09 | raptor | he came back just leave a few parting shots |
| 03:05:09 | kaen | I think that's active moderation |
| 03:05:10 | Nothing_Much | eh |
| 03:05:16 | Nothing_Much | depends on the rules of the owner |
| 03:05:18 | Nothing_Much | or something |
| 03:05:24 | kaen | yeah, exactly |
| 03:05:25 | sam686 | one website problem is when if theres hundreds of players, then Players Online: shows too many players |
| 03:05:30 | kaen | you use a server with the owner's permission |
| 03:05:38 | amginea | yes thats another prioblem i reaqlized |
| 03:05:39 | sam686 | website could be filled with long list of players |
| 03:05:45 | amginea | in fact |
| 03:06:04 | sam686 | and hope the players don't use stupid player name.. |
| 03:06:05 | amginea | i may ofr tested doing that in a crtin manner it got completly garbled |
| 03:06:29 | amginea | anyways what if somone goes around to many servers being rude can we enforce a Ban from the BF master server ? |
| 03:06:37 | amginea | can we implement a beta system for that |
| 03:06:38 | raptor | yes, our hopen-and-sunshine powered systems have many DOS attack vectors |
| 03:06:42 | amginea | as well as a reproting system |
| 03:06:42 | raptor | *hope |
| 03:06:51 | raptor | amginea: no |
| 03:07:02 | raptor | we're too easy going |
| 03:07:09 | raptor | and we give server owners complete control |
| 03:07:15 | amginea | im saying |
| 03:07:27 | sam686 | ban from master server probably won't work, theres /connect and game holds previous server list |
| 03:07:28 | amginea | what ifr somone goes around being very bad on all the Bf servers |
| 03:07:33 | kaen | I think it would be reasonable to have a community-maintained blacklist. That was something curated by long-time community members in assault cube |
| 03:07:41 | fordcars | Amgine, we couldn't I think |
| 03:07:41 | kaen | and server owners could use it if they wanted it |
| 03:07:47 | raptor | kaen: oh? |
| 03:07:53 | raptor | that's a really interesting idea... |
| 03:07:56 | amginea | remove it from th4e ini then interilize it ? |
| 03:07:59 | fordcars | We could only block the Master List, not access to the servers |
| 03:08:00 | amginea | then ? |
| 03:08:04 | raptor | maybe we could provide a central list that server owners could enable |
| 03:08:18 | amginea | maybe we should rethink our MS system then |
| 03:08:20 | raptor | that's actually quite compatible with how we do things |
| 03:08:28 | kaen | that's even a step further than they took it, but I like that improvement |
| 03:08:35 | amginea | like a forced connect through te master server before local connect |
| 03:08:42 | raptor | but in reality |
| 03:08:48 | kaen | in AC it was just a massive forum thread with an edited top post |
| 03:08:49 | amginea | that way if you try to connect to a internet server your blockedf |
| 03:09:01 | amginea | is that possible ? |
| 03:09:03 | raptor | we get... 1? maybe 2? obnoxious players a year? |
| 03:09:04 | sam686 | although its possible to 'hide' some servers on the list, like I hidden a BBB server when BBB ended when raptor couldn't kill that server that autostart.. |
| 03:09:24 | amginea | for any non local server force connection thorugh the BF master before conection that way they cant b/e ? |
| 03:09:49 | kaen | I agree raptor |
| 03:09:50 | raptor | i don't think it's a big enough issue to warrant much time on yet |
| 03:09:56 | kaen | there's not much of a need for it now |
| 03:10:22 | sam686 | for connection to master server... what if master server dies? bye bye game... |
| 03:10:22 | amginea | I disagree with it being on gamejolt and desaura ( i think ) it could suddenly take off |
| 03:10:44 | amginea | im 1200% sure if we put it on steam it will take off |
| 03:10:49 | amginea | thats why im pressuring it |
| 03:11:17 | amginea | what if there was a auto reset systemn if bitfighter.org craashes it auto resets after 10 seconds |
| 03:11:30 | amginea | that would resolve ourt issues with BF crashing |
| 03:11:42 | amginea | as bitfighter.org controsl the master server as well |
| 03:12:17 | sam686 | im not too sure if steam might do... For many games that are on both console and PC steam, there are a lot more players on PS3/xbox |
| 03:12:30 | Nothing_Much | sam686: lol |
| 03:12:48 | amginea | you never answered my question first btw for any non local game is it posible to force connection to BF master first so if we ever have to create a banned BF master list ? |
| 03:13:42 | Nothing_Much | When a Steam Machine comes out and from what I know, Greenlight will be discontinued and eventually Steam will become a self-publishing tool |
| 03:13:42 | Nothing_Much | So you can make a mini bitfighter webpage on Steam :D |
| 03:14:23 | amginea | would a ps3 Xbos port of BF be hard ? |
| 03:14:49 | Nothing_Much | Probably |
| 03:15:01 | Nothing_Much | Xbox uses DirectX and from what I've heard, BF is strictly OpenGL |
| 03:15:12 | Nothing_Much | PS3 also uses a modified version of OGL |
| 03:15:45 | raptor | we probably have some development work to get ready for steam. one thing that comes to mind is to use the SDL gamecontroller framework instead of our homegrown joystick code |
| 03:16:03 | Nothing_Much | oh oh! |
| 03:16:12 | Nothing_Much | Valve's gonna release a Steam controller! |
| 03:16:40 | Nothing_Much | http://venturebeat.com/2014/03/16/valves-latest-steam-controller-design-looks-a-little-less-crazy/ |
| 03:18:02 | sam686 | $ony/micro$oft won't just let anyone freely publish any junk game into their console, they need to check, verify, and test if that game is good, and each game updates comes with another check/ verify, and test, causing update delays. |
| 03:18:26 | raptor | yeah, they really want quality |
| 03:18:40 | fordcars | Yep |
| 03:18:44 | raptor | we may have to build out our test suite more to get it into something like steam, too |
| 03:19:04 | Nothing_Much | Hmm.. |
| 03:19:07 | fordcars | Web is the only way to even get close to get it on console I guess |
| 03:19:13 | Nothing_Much | How do I chroot? |
| 03:19:13 | fordcars | with Gamepad API |
| 03:19:31 | raptor | emscripten... |
| 03:19:36 | fordcars | Heh |
| 03:19:48 | raptor | one day! we'll unlock its secrets! |
| 03:19:56 | fordcars | Yes! |
| 03:20:14 | amginea | bbl :) remeber what we talked ab out it will happen thats why im asking in advance :) |
| 03:20:26 | Nothing_Much | about steam amginea? |
| 03:21:07 | raptor | amginea: please don't spend any money... we need to take the conservative approach, I believe |
| 03:21:47 | amginea | watrs are not won by not fighting :) |
| 03:21:54 | amginea | wars |
| 03:21:57 | amginea | cya |
| 03:22:06 | raptor | later |
| 03:22:15 | Nothing_Much | l8r dude! |
| 03:22:39 | Nothing_Much | oh man a wired connection is SO much better than wifi! |
| 03:22:48 | fordcars | Tots! |
| 03:22:58 | fordcars | Man, my wi-fi is killing me in Debian here |
| 03:23:02 | fordcars | I ran out of ideas |
| 03:23:10 | fordcars | Keeps disconnecting on in Debian |
| 03:23:43 | fordcars | I even tried modify the .config to always use my home wi-fi, keeps disconnecting |
| 03:23:54 | Nothing_Much | Upgrade to Ubuntu dude :P |
| 03:23:57 | fordcars | Haha |
| 03:24:15 | fordcars | Debian is complicated to get going |
| 03:24:22 | Nothing_Much | nah |
| 03:24:25 | fordcars | I am such a linux noob |
| 03:24:26 | Nothing_Much | You know what is complicated though? |
| 03:24:29 | Nothing_Much | Arch Linux |
| 03:24:33 | fordcars | Hah probably |
| 03:24:42 | Nothing_Much | It starts you off at the command line |
| 03:24:48 | Nothing_Much | And you have to have an internet connection |
| 03:24:55 | Nothing_Much | Then you need to do everything from scratch |
| 03:24:56 | fordcars | Heh |
| 03:25:01 | Nothing_Much | I tried it once |
| 03:25:05 | Nothing_Much | The community is horrific |
| 03:25:11 | Nothing_Much | So I went back to Ubuntu |
| 03:25:17 | fordcars | Wow |
| 03:25:20 | Nothing_Much | Yeah |
| 03:25:26 | fordcars | Why? |
| 03:25:33 | raptor | so |
| 03:25:36 | raptor | actually |
| 03:25:43 | Nothing_Much | "Read you retard; Oh my god, you're such an idiot, can't you read?" |
| 03:25:52 | raptor | I find the Arch Linux community to be one of the most knowledgable out there |
| 03:26:00 | Nothing_Much | Yeah they're knowledgable |
| 03:26:06 | raptor | oh wow... that's... different than I expected |
| 03:26:07 | Nothing_Much | But they're assholes towards newbies |
| 03:26:14 | Nothing_Much | Like, really |
| 03:26:14 | raptor | maybe they've gone downhill |
| 03:26:20 | Nothing_Much | How long ago was that raptor? |
| 03:26:29 | raptor | about 1.5-2 years ago |
| 03:26:32 | Nothing_Much | My experience was like, in 2013' |
| 03:26:35 | raptor | they were really good |
| 03:26:38 | Nothing_Much | Maybe 2012 |
| 03:26:38 | raptor | hmmm |
| 03:26:41 | raptor | ok, well |
| 03:26:51 | raptor | it is complicated for sure.. :) |
| 03:26:52 | Nothing_Much | At least in IRC |
| 03:27:01 | raptor | oh, i never did IRC |
| 03:27:04 | raptor | just forums/wiki |
| 03:27:13 | Nothing_Much | The forums/wiki are definitely good |
| 03:27:19 | Nothing_Much | Especially the wiki |
| 03:27:28 | Nothing_Much | But the community just made me "nope" all the way back to Ubuntu |
| 03:27:38 | raptor | that stinks |
| 03:27:40 | kaen | Nothing_Much: that was exactly my experience too |
| 03:27:56 | Nothing_Much | kaen: no kidding? |
| 03:28:01 | fordcars | Man, every community has a "LoneWolf", dunno why |
| 03:28:15 | kaen | no kidding |
| 03:28:29 | Nothing_Much | yeah the IRC is horrible |
| 03:28:31 | Nothing_Much | would not go back |
| 03:28:37 | kaen | the installation process feels like a joke |
| 03:28:37 | Nothing_Much | IRC channel |
| 03:28:43 | sam686 | Saw some youtube video of someone put laptop in a freezer when installing/compiling arch linux, maybe cause compiling overheats cpu? |
| 03:28:52 | kaen | I finally get net access, and had to irssi into the channel |
| 03:29:16 | kaen | and just nothing but down talking and "read the wiki" |
| 03:29:18 | Nothing_Much | Oh god, getting the internet to work on a dedicated machine through Arch was such a pain |
| 03:29:19 | | destroyerimo_clo Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 03:29:30 | Nothing_Much | They told me to ssh into it |
| 03:29:36 | Nothing_Much | And I was like "I forgot how to ssh" |
| 03:29:40 | fordcars | :P |
| 03:29:43 | Nothing_Much | That's when someone went on a rant |
| 03:29:46 | kaen | oh, heaven help you |
| 03:29:48 | Nothing_Much | I almost remember it |
| 03:29:55 | Nothing_Much | He was all |
| 03:30:37 | Nothing_Much | "Oh my god, OH MY GOD, these newbies here are so fucking stupid, why can't anybody READ nowadays?" |
| 03:30:50 | fordcars | Ew |
| 03:30:58 | Nothing_Much | Well, excuse me for trying your beloved distro. :/ |
| 03:31:38 | raptor | well, as a bitfighter crowd, let us try to not be like those guys |
| 03:31:51 | kaen | yes |
| 03:31:58 | Nothing_Much | Yeah, I discussed this at one point re: HoN |
| 03:32:21 | Nothing_Much | HoN is a game that's full of a bunch of elitist people who literally kick newbies and the newbies never get a chance to learn how to play the game |
| 03:32:34 | Nothing_Much | So.. yeah, that's why you probably never heard of it |
| 03:32:42 | Nothing_Much | It's like LoL or Dota |
| 03:33:06 | Nothing_Much | I've yet to play it yet |
| 03:33:27 | fordcars | lol LoL |
| 03:33:28 | Nothing_Much | *though |
| 03:34:43 | Nothing_Much | I'm only going by what I've heard though |
| 03:35:03 | raptor | back alter |
| 03:35:03 | Nothing_Much | But considering how small the player base is |
| 03:35:09 | Nothing_Much | l8r raptor |
| 03:35:39 | sam686 | I guess ubuntu is for newbies that can at least figure out how to use the web browser, all without having to install (live-disk) |
| 03:36:45 | Nothing_Much | sam686: That's their aim, that and convergence |
| 03:40:29 | Nothing_Much | sheesh Debian, even on this PC it's taking a while to install :( |
| 03:42:07 | fordcars | You are installing it? |
| 03:44:27 | Nothing_Much | fordcars: Yep, gonna use it to build BF for Debian :D |
| 03:46:32 | fordcars | Ahh nice :) |
| 03:47:04 | | CrazyLinuxNerd has joined |
| 03:47:09 | Nothing_Much | Hi CrazyLinuxNerd |
| 03:52:08 | | CrazyLinuxNerd Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 04:04:47 | | CrazyLinuxNerd has joined |
| 04:05:18 | fordcars | Oh man |
| 04:05:51 | Nothing_Much | wuddup |
| 04:05:56 | fordcars | An object that dissperead (ie; I flag that is taken in Nexus), does not turn into nil in lua |
| 04:06:07 | fordcars | *Dissapeared |
| 04:06:12 | Nothing_Much | *disappeared |
| 04:06:13 | amginea | hi |
| 04:06:15 | Nothing_Much | But uh... |
| 04:06:17 | fordcars | Disappeared |
| 04:06:17 | Nothing_Much | Hi amginea |
| 04:06:19 | fordcars | ^^ |
| 04:06:21 | Nothing_Much | lol |
| 04:06:26 | Nothing_Much | But uh... no comment lol |
| 04:06:29 | fordcars | lol |
| 04:06:33 | fordcars | Yeah, that is all |
| 04:07:56 | kaen | fordcars: no, but I believe you can tell if it is "mounted" |
| 04:08:10 | fordcars | I Nexus? |
| 04:08:18 | kaen | in any game mode |
| 04:08:24 | fordcars | Oh wow |
| 04:08:26 | fordcars | Wait |
| 04:08:42 | fordcars | I have this object (a flag item which is taken in Nexus) |
| 04:09:00 | fordcars | And then, when I try to get it's object type after it has been taken |
| 04:09:04 | fordcars | It returns nil |
| 04:09:08 | fordcars | But the object is not nil |
| 04:09:29 | kaen | oh whoa |
| 04:09:33 | kaen | I misunderstood you |
| 04:09:36 | kaen | that's a bug :) |
| 04:09:39 | fordcars | Sorry :P |
| 04:09:44 | fordcars | Well poop |
| 04:10:23 | fordcars | maybe it is only in Nexus? |
| 04:10:26 | kaen | fordcars: try using isInCaptureZone |
| 04:10:41 | kaen | I have no idea if it would work, but it's worth a try |
| 04:10:50 | kaen | (if it does, I think that's bug too :P) |
| 04:10:54 | fordcars | Haha okok |
| 04:11:06 | amginea | btw wy was pickup soccer changed to shoot soccer ? |
| 04:11:11 | amginea | jsut wondering |
| 04:11:20 | amginea | i wish i coulda tried pickupsoccer |
| 04:12:01 | fordcars | Meh it's nil too |
| 04:12:21 | fordcars | Amgine, I think it was shoot soccer before |
| 04:13:57 | amginea | actual in very old version of Bf you picked the soccerball up |
| 04:23:54 | | Nothing_Much Quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) |
| 04:27:44 | raptor | fordcars: does that only happen with nexus flags? |
| 04:27:49 | fordcars | I think |
| 04:27:51 | fordcars | so |
| 04:27:57 | | Skybax has joined |
| 04:28:00 | raptor | i'm pretty sure an object is supposed to go to nil if it's removed somehow |
| 04:28:02 | fordcars | Where else does a flag dissapear? |
| 04:28:09 | fordcars | Oh, well items, yeah I don't know |
| 04:28:13 | raptor | maybe nexus flags are a bit weird... |
| 04:28:17 | fordcars | Maybe so |
| 04:28:28 | raptor | since they combine and drop combined, etc. |
| 04:29:54 | fordcars | Yeah |
| 04:30:55 | | Skybax_ Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 04:31:49 | raptor | hmmm... seems like we're deficient in Nexus Lua API stuff |
| 04:32:06 | raptor | fordcars: mind opening an issue about what nexus flag functionality you'd like exposed in the Lua API? |
| 04:32:48 | fordcars | Sure, but I don't know which |
| 04:33:07 | fordcars | I guess, make it nil? Should flags dissapear when grabbed? |
| 04:33:51 | raptor | or maybe have a test to be a Nexus flag, with options to see how many it represents? |
| 04:34:29 | fordcars | Oh yeah |
| 04:34:42 | fordcars | getNexusFlagNumber |
| 04:34:53 | fordcars | flag:getNexusFlagNumber |
| 04:35:05 | fordcars | !bugs |
| 04:35:05 | BFLogBot | To enter a bug: http://tinyurl.com/bfnewbug -- To view all bugs: http://tinyurl.com/bfbugs |
| 04:41:42 | raptor | thanks! |
| 04:41:51 | raptor | i'm heading to bed. night! |
| 04:42:04 | | raptor Quit () |
| 04:46:16 | fordcars | Night! |
| 04:46:19 | | fordcars Quit (Quit: Page closed) |
| 05:00:06 | | amginea Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 05:27:10 | | Skybax_ has joined |
| 05:28:11 | | Skybax Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) |
| 08:51:55 | | Darrel Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 09:02:38 | | Darrel has joined |
| 09:54:01 | | Platskies has joined |
| 10:42:34 | | Platskies__ has joined |
| 10:46:02 | | Platskies Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
| 10:48:48 | | HylianSavior Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 11:17:58 | | destroyerimo has joined |
| 11:19:45 | | Platskies__ Quit (Quit: Leaving) |
| 13:05:23 | | Skybax has joined |
| 13:07:14 | | Skybax_ Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
| 14:09:17 | | Skybax Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 14:22:08 | | Skybax has joined |
| 14:57:37 | | raptor has joined |
| 14:57:38 | | ChanServ sets mode +o |
| 14:59:16 | raptor | good morning! |
| 15:08:26 | | Darrel Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 15:09:14 | | Skybax Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
| 15:11:59 | | YoshiSmb_m has joined |
| 15:12:38 | YoshiSmb_m | fordcars doesn't appear? |
| 15:17:54 | YoshiSmb_m | [14:59:16] <raptor> good morning! |=| Morning Raptor! |
| 15:18:21 | raptor | moring |
| 15:18:23 | raptor | *morning |
| 15:19:13 | | Skybax has joined |
| 15:19:38 | YoshiSmb_m | Hi Skybax |
| 15:29:07 | watusimoto | hi all |
| 15:29:36 | raptor | hi |
| 15:32:45 | YoshiSmb_m | hi |
| 15:41:38 | | Skybax Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 16:38:53 | kaen | hi! |
| 16:39:02 | kaen | late to the party again ... |
| 16:43:46 | YoshiSmb_m | what party? |
| 16:47:58 | | YoshiSmb_m Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
| 16:49:54 | | Darrel has joined |
| 17:46:38 | | watusimoto Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 18:02:02 | | Skybax has joined |
| 18:03:01 | Skybax | Goodmorning |
| 18:07:35 | | YoshiSmb_m has joined |
| 18:08:36 | YoshiSmb_m | morning skybax! |
| 18:35:52 | raptor | I think sudden death should happen in only particular game modes |
| 18:35:54 | raptor | like Core |
| 18:36:19 | raptor | definitely not RAB/BM/NEX |
| 18:36:49 | raptor | not HTF or RET since those points can alter quickly |
| 18:36:57 | raptor | not sure about CTF |
| 18:47:11 | Skybax | Sudden death? |
| 18:49:37 | raptor | vampiric aura! |
| 18:49:52 | raptor | life-regen aura! |
| 18:55:45 | YoshiSmb_m | na |
| 18:56:11 | YoshiSmb_m | maybe set all players Health to 1% |
| 18:56:26 | YoshiSmb_m | if both are tied for the lead |
| 18:57:22 | YoshiSmb_m | the others will be zapped allowing only both of them to fight alone |
| 18:58:11 | raptor | sudden-death is what happens if there is a tie after the game timer runs out |
| 18:58:19 | YoshiSmb_m | yea |
| 18:58:28 | YoshiSmb_m | instead of aura |
| 18:58:52 | raptor | usually with an additional mechanic, like Cores will drain energy a certain percentage per second |
| 18:59:12 | YoshiSmb_m | yea |
| 19:13:12 | | Skybax_ has joined |
| 19:15:46 | | Skybax Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 19:18:52 | | Nothing_Much has joined |
| 19:32:36 | | Skybax_ is now known as Skybax |
| 19:33:12 | raptor | kaen: did we just scare someone away? |
| 19:33:19 | kaen | probably |
| 19:33:23 | kaen | happens all the time :P |
| 19:33:29 | raptor | i could not control the ferociousness of sbot |
| 19:33:48 | | HylianSavior has joined |
| 19:35:05 | | YoshiSmb_m Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 19:36:25 | Nothing_Much | what happened? |
| 19:36:57 | kaen | welcoming party gone awry |
| 19:37:15 | Nothing_Much | well darn :( |
| 19:37:33 | kaen | I just ordered parts for an arduino-powered (wheeled) robot |
| 19:37:59 | kaen | it blows my mind how cheap electronics components are |
| 19:38:08 | kaen | it's like five dollars for a pair of RF chips |
| 19:38:29 | kaen | transceivers, no less |
| 19:40:20 | raptor | that's because it costs $1 million for the first few, then pennies after that |
| 19:40:50 | raptor | so once they sell enough, it's peanuts |
| 19:42:00 | raptor | my brother works in the semi-conductor industry and tells me crazy stories |
| 19:42:39 | kaen | I believe it |
| 19:43:00 | kaen | I bought a ton of EOL capacitors for two cent each |
| 19:46:39 | Nothing_Much | End of Life? |
| 19:48:45 | kaen | yes |
| 19:53:39 | Nothing_Much | so.. why did you buy them if they don't work anymore? lol |
| 20:11:29 | kaen | they do work, they're just not being produced any more |
| 21:16:02 | | Skybax_ has joined |
| 21:18:26 | | Skybax Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
| 21:35:06 | | kaen Quit (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 22:01:36 | | Watusimoto has joined |
| 22:04:08 | Watusimoto | oh networking, how I hate thee... let me count the ways |
| 22:08:50 | | Watusimoto_ has joined |
| 22:11:17 | | Watusimoto Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 22:18:58 | | Watusimoto has joined |
| 22:21:59 | | Watusimoto_ Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 22:35:29 | raptor | make sure you're plugged in |
| 22:35:41 | raptor | solves 50% of the networking problems |
| 22:40:42 | | YoshiSmb_m has joined |
| 22:42:24 | YoshiSmb_m | hi everyone, did i miss something? |
| 22:48:38 | Watusimoto | the other 9/10 are more serious |
| 22:48:54 | Watusimoto | but i am seriously sleepy... so good night gentlement |
| 22:49:46 | YoshiSmb_m | g'nights Watusimoto |
| 22:49:58 | raptor | night! |
| 22:51:20 | Nothing_Much | night |
| 22:52:18 | Skybax_ | Night! |
| 22:52:25 | | Skybax_ is now known as Skybax |
| 22:55:24 | | Watusimoto Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 23:01:31 | | YoshiSmb_m Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 23:06:28 | | kaen has joined |
| 23:15:36 | Nothing_Much | I got my Debian build environment up and running |
| 23:15:40 | Nothing_Much | Where do I begin? :D |
| 23:25:01 | sam686 | Theres http://bitfighter.org/wiki/index.php/Building_Bitfighter (use apt-get instead of yum in debian) |
| 23:25:42 | Nothing_Much | sam686: Yes but where do I start to make a package? |
| 23:26:25 | Nothing_Much | I know there's checkinstall for "make" build environments |
| 23:26:34 | Nothing_Much | But from what I know, Bitfighter migrated to Cmake |
| 23:26:36 | sam686 | not too sure, I mostly don't do such package |
| 23:26:43 | Nothing_Much | Ah okay |
| 23:26:49 | | raptor Quit () |
| 23:28:05 | kaen | Nothing_Much: you've got some reading ahead of you |
| 23:28:06 | kaen | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ |
| 23:28:14 | kaen | https://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian |
| 23:28:41 | kaen | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/best-pkging-practices.html |
| 23:28:50 | Nothing_Much | oh my |
| 23:29:09 | Nothing_Much | alright, well hopefully I can focus on this stuff |
| 23:29:28 | kaen | there's also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete which can help, but of course there are some differences between ubuntu and debian |
| 23:29:38 | Nothing_Much | right |
| 23:29:44 | Nothing_Much | but from what you told me kaen |
| 23:29:52 | Nothing_Much | ubuntu takes Debian's packages from upstream |
| 23:29:56 | kaen | right |
| 23:29:57 | Nothing_Much | Ubuntu* |
| 23:30:08 | kaen | but the ubuntu one is more clearly written |
| 23:30:16 | kaen | and the processes have a lot of overlap |
| 23:33:19 | Nothing_Much | overlap? |
| 23:49:00 | | Skybax_ has joined |
| 23:51:38 | | Skybax Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
| 23:53:21 | | Skybax_ is now known as Skybax |