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| 12:21:46 | YoshiSmb_m | Morning! |
| 12:25:42 | Nothing_Much | Howdy |
| 12:36:40 | YoshiSmb_m | The 3 Modules, will really alter the gameplay |
| 12:37:49 | YoshiSmb_m | *3 Modules Idea |
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| 12:39:16 | Nothing_Much | I think it would probably screw up the amount of keys you're have to press :( |
| 12:39:33 | YoshiSmb_pc | yea |
| 12:40:33 | YoshiSmb_m | I'm against the idea from Tazinator |
| 12:40:44 | Nothing_Much | Yeah |
| 12:43:38 | YoshiSmb_pc | http://bitfighter.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2381&p=23760#p23760 |
| 13:22:03 | watusimoto1 | Nothing_Much: it would probably increse the keypresses to change configurations by one |
| 13:22:30 | YoshiSmb_pc | Because, a 3rd module slot will only make the make more complex like before |
| 13:22:35 | watusimoto1 | I have not yet decided if I support the idea |
| 13:22:43 | Nothing_Much | Yeah.. |
| 13:22:59 | YoshiSmb_pc | ok, because it's really easy to understand the game controls |
| 13:23:11 | YoshiSmb_pc | but i dont know |
| 13:23:31 | YoshiSmb_pc | I havent even decided if i support the idea |
| 13:24:20 | YoshiSmb_pc | the game is simple now, so i will decide later |
| 13:27:49 | watusimoto1 | a lot would depend on what the static modules would be |
| 13:31:21 | YoshiSmb_pc | Yes, but what i mean, a passive 3rd module (i use the health upgrade) + Shield + Armor would make me the strongest ship in the whole game |
| 13:31:55 | watusimoto1 | armor would surely be a passive module |
| 13:32:03 | YoshiSmb_pc | taking almost like 24 shot's before i die, and other people will die in 6 |
| 13:32:10 | watusimoto1 | so armor + shield + turbo... that would be powerful |
| 13:32:17 | YoshiSmb_pc | yes |
| 13:32:47 | YoshiSmb_pc | any loadout combined with a passive module will make a great change in the whole game |
| 13:32:59 | watusimoto1 | that's obviously something we'd need to account for in designing the new modules |
| 13:33:10 | YoshiSmb_pc | like: Cloak + Shield + Armor |
| 13:33:26 | YoshiSmb_pc | or: Turbo + Sensor + Speed Upgrade |
| 13:33:47 | watusimoto1 | I don't think I'd support a speed upgrade |
| 13:33:57 | YoshiSmb_pc | hmm |
| 13:34:23 | YoshiSmb_pc | and I'm just talking with a dev |
| 13:34:32 | watusimoto1 | but yes, your point is well taken... |
| 13:35:11 | YoshiSmb_pc | Skybax did say about the speed upgrade |
| 13:35:31 | watusimoto1 | yes, but he was just putting out some ideas |
| 13:36:16 | YoshiSmb_pc | yea |
| 13:36:37 | YoshiSmb_pc | PS: did you notice how I'm talking? |
| 13:37:16 | YoshiSmb_pc | speaking of roma, a 3rd module would really change how team's will attack or defend |
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| 13:37:31 | YoshiSmb_pc | making a brand new styles of combats |
| 13:37:55 | kaen | do teams really coordinate like that? |
| 13:38:21 | YoshiSmb_pc | Yes, some player's take in mind the teamwork and coordinate |
| 13:38:22 | kaen | the best I can do is force someone into tandem movement by following them closely :P |
| 13:38:33 | YoshiSmb_pc | uh um |
| 13:39:06 | YoshiSmb_pc | example: If i play with Sam, i simply wait for him to send an opponent to me so both of us can zap him |
| 13:39:28 | kaen | me, I wait just outside the base and fly side-by-side with whoever passes me first |
| 13:39:38 | YoshiSmb_pc | Yes |
| 13:40:18 | YoshiSmb_pc | Maybe |
| 13:40:21 | kaen | while we're talking about balance |
| 13:40:30 | YoshiSmb_pc | Yes |
| 13:40:34 | kaen | I think we've made great progress with 019 |
| 13:40:49 | kaen | I'm using triple, bouncer, burst, shield, and repair |
| 13:40:56 | kaen | all of which I never touched before |
| 13:41:09 | YoshiSmb_pc | a good loadout indeed |
| 13:41:20 | YoshiSmb_pc | but if a 3rd module where add |
| 13:41:25 | YoshiSmb_pc | i would use this loadout |
| 13:41:37 | YoshiSmb_pc | Triple + Burst + Mine |
| 13:41:56 | YoshiSmb_pc | Repair + Shield + Passive Healing Aura |
| 13:42:13 | kaen | passive healing would be massive |
| 13:42:22 | YoshiSmb_pc | well, with this settings |
| 13:42:24 | kaen | even if it's really slow, it's a big advantage |
| 13:42:44 | kaen | (I personally wouldn't use passive and active repair at the same time, though) |
| 13:42:45 | YoshiSmb_pc | it's heal any ship that it's close to the user (same team) but only heal 5% each 1 sec. |
| 13:42:58 | kaen | oh, I don't know about auras |
| 13:43:13 | kaen | I think it should really be just for your ship |
| 13:43:49 | YoshiSmb_pc | the healing aura doesn't heal you and will not repair forcefields, turrets & Teleporters |
| 13:43:59 | watusimoto1 | that could be a passive property of repair |
| 13:43:59 | YoshiSmb_pc | Only nearby teammates |
| 13:44:18 | kaen | yeah, that's not really the direction I was thinking of taking it |
| 13:44:32 | YoshiSmb_pc | ah |
| 13:45:14 | kaen | it would be cool if modules did different things depending on if they were in the active or passive slot |
| 13:45:21 | YoshiSmb_pc | Healing Aura: Heal nearby Teammates, does not heal the user nor repair Forcefields, Turrets or Teleporters |
| 13:45:47 | YoshiSmb_pc | agree |
| 13:45:49 | kaen | that way you couldn't stack passive + active buffs of the same type |
| 13:46:01 | YoshiSmb_pc | yes |
| 13:46:24 | kaen | repair and boost would be pretty obvious under that system |
| 13:46:33 | kaen | don't know what you'd do about sensor armor and cloak though |
| 13:46:43 | YoshiSmb_pc | maybe using a passive module will disabled another modules for the 1rd / 2nd (repair will be disabled) |
| 13:46:56 | kaen | right, that's what I meant |
| 13:47:01 | YoshiSmb_pc | making you very hard to kill will you're cloaked |
| 13:47:24 | kaen | oh, I actually meant disables the same module |
| 13:47:33 | YoshiSmb_pc | yea |
| 13:47:56 | kaen | this is an interesting topic, but I'm not certain about it yet |
| 13:48:14 | YoshiSmb_pc | The "Speed Upgrade" could disable the Turbo Module, "Healing Aura" disable the Repair, etc |
| 13:48:23 | kaen | right, that's what I mean |
| 13:48:34 | YoshiSmb_pc | then we got it |
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| 13:49:22 | YoshiSmb_pc | We should add a 3rd module slot, but doing this will disable a module for the 1st | 2nd based on what does the 3rd module do |
| 13:49:36 | kaen | I guess you could almost fold a couple modules into pairs |
| 13:49:49 | YoshiSmb_pc | Yea |
| 13:49:52 | watusimoto1 | I dislike disabling... that makes things much more complex for players |
| 13:49:57 | kaen | cloak could do cloaking as active, sensor as passive |
| 13:50:09 | kaen | shield could do shield or armor |
| 13:50:19 | kaen | I don't mean disabling exactly |
| 13:50:49 | kaen | I mean repurposing the existing modules so that they can be put into the passive slot to change their behavior |
| 13:50:56 | YoshiSmb_pc | example: if you use "Speed Upgrade" the turbo will not be usable until you change the 3rd module |
| 13:51:03 | kaen | and maybe adding some new modules that behave like that |
| 13:51:16 | YoshiSmb_pc | I never thinked of it |
| 13:51:34 | kaen | so, they just sort of get "used up", since you can't have a module in two slots at once |
| 13:51:51 | YoshiSmb_pc | yes |
| 13:52:11 | YoshiSmb_pc | you can't use the same module twice |
| 13:52:15 | YoshiSmb_pc | unless levelgen |
| 13:52:54 | YoshiSmb_pc | maybe using existing modules to do passive objectives |
| 13:53:36 | YoshiSmb_pc | if i use: Shield + Repair, my third could be turbo, but since the 3rd slot is passive, this will only increase my speed by 5-10% |
| 13:55:57 | YoshiSmb_pc | example only |
| 13:59:40 | kaen | I think small passive speed increase would be fine |
| 13:59:47 | kaen | what sounds OP is passive repair |
| 14:00:14 | YoshiSmb_pc | the repair will be in my 2nd slot |
| 14:00:40 | kaen | but it would be a good go-to passive module |
| 14:00:44 | YoshiSmb_pc | Shield is in my 1st slot, Repair on the 2nd, the Turbo will be on my 3rd slot |
| 14:00:49 | YoshiSmb_pc | yea |
| 14:00:53 | kaen | I guess if everyone used it by default it wouldn't be so bad |
| 14:01:01 | YoshiSmb_pc | but maybe add a penalty |
| 14:01:08 | YoshiSmb_pc | or not |
| 14:01:17 | YoshiSmb_pc | based on what the devs think about it |
| 14:01:37 | YoshiSmb_pc | Speaking of roma again |
| 14:01:55 | YoshiSmb_pc | Based on what i said early, the modules on the 3rd slot will do: |
| 14:02:12 | YoshiSmb_pc | Turbo: Increase the max speed by 5-10% |
| 14:02:52 | YoshiSmb_pc | Repair: Repair nearby damaged object at a 25-50% of the usual speed |
| 14:03:24 | YoshiSmb_pc | Shield: 30-50% of chances a projectile will be reflected |
| 14:03:47 | YoshiSmb_pc | Armor: 25-50% of increased defense |
| 14:04:24 | YoshiSmb_pc | Sensor: increased view at least 40-50% of the usual |
| 14:05:02 | YoshiSmb_pc | Cloak: Player's can't see you behind a wall |
| 14:05:33 | YoshiSmb_pc | for cloak maybe player's can see you if there's nothing blocking the path to see you |
| 14:08:37 | BFLogBot | It seems like once people grow up, they have no idea what's cool. |
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| 14:09:25 | BFLogBot | I suppose the secret to happiness is learning to appreciate the moment. |
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| 14:23:16 | | YoshiSmb_pc is feeling a pain in the heart, something is missing. |
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| 14:24:17 | | ChanServ sets mode +o |
| 14:24:27 | YoshiSmb_pc | hi rapto |
| 14:24:28 | raptor | good morning! |
| 14:24:35 | YoshiSmb_pc | *raptor |
| 14:24:45 | YoshiSmb_pc | Morning |
| 14:24:56 | YoshiSmb_pc | we're just talking about the 3rd module slot |
| 14:25:48 | YoshiSmb_pc | http://bitfighter.org/irclogs/index.php?date=2014-04-24 |
| 14:27:17 | raptor | yes |
| 14:27:53 | raptor | we'd need to take care that bitfighter wouldn't become WoW |
| 14:28:14 | YoshiSmb_pc | .....? |
| 14:50:24 | watusimoto1 | WoB |
| 14:50:34 | watusimoto1 | I like it already! |
| 14:50:56 | raptor | i should keep quiet... |
| 14:51:10 | kaen | then we can add xp and gear and a skill tree |
| 14:51:16 | kaen | and guilds and raids |
| 14:51:20 | kaen | and a third dimension |
| 14:51:20 | raptor | oh please no |
| 14:51:29 | kaen | and an auction |
| 14:51:31 | watusimoto1 | 020! |
| 14:51:34 | kaen | and economy manipulation |
| 14:51:40 | kaen | yeah, this is sounding great so far |
| 14:51:44 | kaen | good thinking, raptor |
| 14:51:50 | raptor | I must be too serious in the morning... |
| 14:51:55 | kaen | :) |
| 14:52:18 | kaen | jokes aside, I do like the passive module slot idea |
| 14:52:48 | kaen | when I play bitfighter, I have this constant feeling that I'm undergeared |
| 14:52:56 | raptor | we'd need a few more |
| 14:52:59 | kaen | like, if I use shield/turbo, I feel like I need repair |
| 14:53:10 | kaen | if I drop turbo for repair, I feel like I'm a turtle |
| 14:53:13 | kaen | and so on |
| 14:53:29 | raptor | trying to think back to my warcraft 3 days... |
| 14:53:29 | kaen | I never feel like my loadout is "good", only varying degrees of bad |
| 14:53:34 | raptor | haha |
| 14:53:58 | raptor | vampiric aura |
| 14:54:05 | kaen | yeah... |
| 14:54:09 | raptor | every shot you make you get a portion of health back |
| 14:54:35 | kaen | actually, that sounds really cool |
| 14:54:45 | kaen | I'm against passives affecting your teammates though |
| 14:54:56 | raptor | so less like an aura nd more a... yes, i think so too |
| 14:55:02 | kaen | I feel like it should be a loadout-level decision, not team-level |
| 14:55:05 | raptor | just for you |
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| 14:55:29 | YoshiSmb_pc | at least teamplay is in the game! |
| 14:55:40 | YoshiSmb_pc | we need teamplay based modules |
| 14:55:56 | kaen | so, I saturated my ads audience in less than a week |
| 14:56:11 | watusimoto1 | my favorite board game is Agricola |
| 14:56:13 | YoshiSmb_pc | I'm sad |
| 14:56:18 | YoshiSmb_pc | about bobdaduck |
| 14:56:21 | watusimoto1 | in this game, you build a farm |
| 14:56:26 | watusimoto1 | and have to feed your family |
| 14:56:34 | YoshiSmb_pc | sound's familiar |
| 14:56:40 | watusimoto1 | and this farm never quite works right until about the last turn of the game |
| 14:56:51 | watusimoto1 | just as you finally feel like you've got things under control, the game is over |
| 14:56:58 | YoshiSmb_pc | (kaen's post about Bitmatch EX) |
| 14:56:58 | watusimoto1 | so you are always on the edge |
| 14:56:59 | raptor | ha |
| 14:57:20 | kaen | you should be happy for him YoshiSmb_pc. it's something he really wants to do |
| 14:57:22 | watusimoto1 | this is like the loadouts... you always want MORE so you have to keep switching them around |
| 14:57:31 | YoshiSmb_pc | Even if you played Battle Chess for about 3 years! |
| 14:57:32 | kaen | that's an interesting point wawt |
| 14:57:34 | YoshiSmb_pc | yea |
| 14:57:49 | YoshiSmb_pc | point taken |
| 14:57:58 | YoshiSmb_pc | so yea, i always change loadout |
| 14:58:16 | YoshiSmb_pc | almost all the time BASED on what i need for my team (or for my self) |
| 14:58:39 | YoshiSmb_pc | if there's little defense |
| 14:58:43 | YoshiSmb_pc | BANG |
| 14:58:46 | kaen | I have two presets I use for either team games where I want to get tactical, or FFA games |
| 14:58:49 | YoshiSmb_pc | I'm there |
| 14:58:57 | YoshiSmb_pc | yep |
| 14:59:02 | kaen | other than that, I don't often switch from the default loadout |
| 14:59:16 | raptor | my rule of thumb: curvy walls means bouncer! |
| 14:59:21 | kaen | definitely |
| 14:59:29 | kaen | I've been going nuts with bouncer recently |
| 14:59:35 | kaen | it's part of my tac loadout |
| 14:59:55 | kaen | it is amazing for area denial |
| 14:59:59 | YoshiSmb_pc | kaen: i know, but i just miss him, good old times |
| 15:00:13 | kaen | just pump your flag room full of bouncer and you're holding a solid defense |
| 15:00:20 | raptor | i think we got bouncer right with this release |
| 15:00:24 | kaen | definitely |
| 15:00:27 | watusimoto1 | http://www.amazon.com/Z-Man-Games-7026ZMG-Agricola/dp/B001C7617Q |
| 15:00:37 | raptor | i remember people were calling for its removal |
| 15:00:43 | raptor | and it made me so sad |
| 15:00:51 | raptor | because it's my favorite weapon |
| 15:00:52 | kaen | hah, that's right |
| 15:01:02 | YoshiSmb_pc | yea |
| 15:01:06 | YoshiSmb_pc | Bouncer is a well made weapon |
| 15:01:06 | kaen | I've definitely changed my mind on it |
| 15:01:13 | kaen | I thought it was super pointless when I started |
| 15:01:25 | YoshiSmb_pc | but now |
| 15:01:29 | raptor | watusimoto1: that picture is hilarious |
| 15:01:40 | raptor | there's the happy wife and pig |
| 15:01:43 | watusimoto1 | the pic on the game cover? |
| 15:01:47 | raptor | then then there's the sheep that wants to kill you |
| 15:01:53 | watusimoto1 | that's a sheep, btw |
| 15:02:02 | watusimoto1 | oh, there's a pig |
| 15:02:06 | raptor | :) |
| 15:02:23 | YoshiSmb_pc | somebody play Chess? |
| 15:02:30 | kaen | I do! |
| 15:02:42 | kaen | not very well though... |
| 15:02:44 | watusimoto1 | you can raise sheep, cattle, and boars |
| 15:02:58 | YoshiSmb_pc | kaen: na you're fine |
| 15:03:08 | kaen | I missed the part that it was a board game... like analog farmville |
| 15:03:53 | watusimoto1 | lots of wooden cubes and discs and such |
| 15:04:12 | YoshiSmb_pc | Mining Iron, Gold, Etc. |
| 15:04:31 | watusimoto1 | http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/615FJZMRu%2BL.jpg |
| 15:05:31 | raptor | looks like the merging of bonanza and monopoly |
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| 15:05:51 | YoshiSmb_pc | kaen: http://multiplayerchess.com/ |
| 15:05:57 | YoshiSmb_pc | i will be there waiting for you :) |
| 15:06:32 | YoshiSmb_pc | speaking of roma: I trust everyone. |
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| 15:08:00 | kaen | that's me, YoshiSmb_pc :) |
| 15:08:03 | kaen | lucky draw |
| 15:08:34 | kaen | for interested spectators: http://multiplayerchess.com/#!/1eGGi0T |
| 15:08:41 | YoshiSmb_pc | wow |
| 15:08:46 | YoshiSmb_pc | so quick! |
| 15:08:59 | YoshiSmb_pc | nice move |
| 15:09:11 | YoshiSmb_pc | i wonder why you take so long |
| 15:09:13 | kaen | haha thanks |
| 15:09:17 | kaen | just typing :P |
| 15:09:26 | kaen | you should learn some openings, my friend |
| 15:09:32 | YoshiSmb_pc | ah :) |
| 15:09:42 | YoshiSmb_pc | yea |
| 15:09:47 | YoshiSmb_pc | i just play my old strategy |
| 15:10:02 | YoshiSmb_pc | i used it agains't my brother one day |
| 15:10:11 | raptor | is that a picture of a cat in the background? |
| 15:10:16 | raptor | it's... disconcerting |
| 15:11:17 | YoshiSmb_pc | my friend, you're really good! |
| 15:13:11 | kaen | heh, thanks :) |
| 15:13:19 | kaen | but I get blown away on chess.com |
| 15:13:33 | YoshiSmb_pc | chess.com? |
| 15:14:00 | raptor | i think the queen has been in danger most of the game... |
| 15:14:25 | YoshiSmb_pc | yep |
| 15:14:35 | kaen | I'm comfortable putting my queen at risk |
| 15:14:41 | kaen | if we trade, I'm still up a rook |
| 15:14:41 | YoshiSmb_pc | kaen: is just playing as a nameless player |
| 15:14:48 | YoshiSmb_pc | nice |
| 15:14:49 | YoshiSmb_pc | move |
| 15:14:52 | YoshiSmb_pc | :) |
| 15:14:54 | kaen | :) |
| 15:15:10 | kaen | hah! |
| 15:15:12 | kaen | 10/10 |
| 15:15:30 | YoshiSmb_pc | thanks |
| 15:15:45 | YoshiSmb_pc | i played offline, virtual chess 64 for the n64 |
| 15:15:56 | YoshiSmb_pc | i know almost all the tricks |
| 15:17:08 | YoshiSmb_pc | a nice move at the cost of you'r queen |
| 15:17:26 | raptor | yeah, but he still has his tricksy horsies |
| 15:17:42 | YoshiSmb_pc | yep |
| 15:17:53 | YoshiSmb_pc | if you want a match agains't me raptor :) |
| 15:17:54 | raptor | protip - saying 'horsey' instead of 'knight' is a really good way to get under the skin of a chess opponent |
| 15:18:47 | YoshiSmb_pc | En-Roque |
| 15:18:53 | YoshiSmb_pc | pretty nice move |
| 15:20:03 | YoshiSmb_pc | AH HA! |
| 15:23:39 | YoshiSmb_pc | nice move mr.kaen |
| 15:23:53 | kaen | think I'll win on time now :P |
| 15:23:55 | YoshiSmb_pc | but now since we lost that many units |
| 15:24:02 | raptor | oh blah... horse vs bishop end game |
| 15:24:06 | YoshiSmb_pc | oh true |
| 15:24:39 | kaen | sorry YoshiSmb_pc... I used a dirty clock trick |
| 15:24:51 | kaen | I play almost entirely 5 and 10 minute chess |
| 15:24:59 | kaen | gg |
| 15:25:00 | YoshiSmb_pc | ah |
| 15:25:14 | YoshiSmb_pc | gg |
| 15:25:25 | kaen | you definitely caught me on some blunders though! |
| 15:25:36 | kaen | and pinning my queen against my king... |
| 15:25:36 | YoshiSmb_pc | :) |
| 15:25:44 | kaen | that's always embarrassing :P |
| 15:26:05 | YoshiSmb_pc | ah |
| 15:26:05 | YoshiSmb_pc | raptor |
| 15:26:31 | raptor | hi |
| 15:26:35 | kaen | I want to play again but I have to start working now |
| 15:26:43 | raptor | i'm already at work, sorry YoshiSmb_pc |
| 15:26:45 | kaen | YoshiSmb_pc: you should sign up on chess.com and add me on there |
| 15:26:49 | YoshiSmb_pc | ok |
| 15:26:51 | kaen | "justbryan" |
| 15:27:42 | YoshiSmb_pc | ok |
| 15:28:25 | YoshiSmb_pc | i prefer with the "no time" setting |
| 15:29:04 | YoshiSmb_pc | did you see my email in bitfighter before I changed the signature? |
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| 15:29:26 | raptor | my brother and i play on a normal board |
| 15:29:45 | raptor | but we put an opaque barrier between us dividing the board so we can't see each other's side |
| 15:29:51 | raptor | then we place our pieces how we want |
| 15:30:01 | raptor | when done, we lift the barrier and commence the weird game |
| 15:30:05 | YoshiSmb_pc | blind mode - custome mode? |
| 15:30:17 | YoshiSmb_pc | custom mode |
| 15:31:04 | kaen | haha that's great |
| 15:31:08 | kaen | I've never heard of that |
| 15:31:24 | YoshiSmb_pc | yea |
| 15:32:36 | YoshiSmb_pc | raptor, do you have an account on chess.com? just asking |
| 15:36:10 | raptor | no, sorry |
| 15:36:29 | YoshiSmb_pc | ok |
| 15:37:50 | YoshiSmb_pc | justbryan ? |
| 15:40:15 | kaen | yep |
| 15:40:24 | YoshiSmb_pc | ok |
| 15:40:40 | kaen | (that's an old picture, btw) |
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| 15:48:53 | YoshiSmb_pc | kaen: you're really good at chess |
| 15:48:56 | YoshiSmb_pc | but the problem for me is: |
| 15:49:01 | YoshiSmb_pc | I hate timed mode games |
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| 16:13:12 | YoshiSmb_pc | Silent IRC Hill |
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| 18:54:26 | Watusimoto | hi |
| 18:55:11 | Watusimoto | I'm having a very werid problem |
| 18:55:32 | Watusimoto | my wife's computer's wifi is acting up, so I'm trying to see if i can replicate the problem under Linux |
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| 18:56:06 | Watusimoto | I have two different Mint boot discs.... wait a minute |
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| 18:59:02 | YoshiSmb_pc | hi thread |
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| 19:31:48 | thread_ | hi YoshiSmb_pc |
| 19:33:14 | kaen | hi all |
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| 19:47:49 | raptor | Watusimoto: what sort of problem? |
| 19:47:58 | Watusimoto | hi |
| 19:48:08 | raptor | hi |
| 19:48:21 | Watusimoto | the wifi has become very flaky, and cannot connecto to the router anymore |
| 19:48:30 | Watusimoto | (or even to my neighbor's open wifi) |
| 19:48:33 | raptor | is yours the only router? |
| 19:48:47 | Watusimoto | there are many routers in the neighborhood |
| 19:48:59 | raptor | how old is the computer? |
| 19:49:00 | Watusimoto | I'm not sure I understand the question |
| 19:49:14 | Watusimoto | oh, probably 4--5 years |
| 19:49:16 | raptor | sorry, i meant is yours the only router it cannot connect to? |
| 19:49:31 | Watusimoto | I've only tried mine and my neighbor's open wifi |
| 19:49:37 | Watusimoto | can't connect to either |
| 19:49:43 | Watusimoto | I can see them, but not connect |
| 19:49:46 | Watusimoto | one odd thing though |
| 19:49:49 | raptor | and only with that computer? |
| 19:49:56 | Watusimoto | my other computer connects fine |
| 19:50:13 | Watusimoto | when I am looking at the router's webpage, it lists connecgted devices |
| 19:50:25 | Watusimoto | and even when hers can't connect, it is listed by the router |
| 19:50:26 | raptor | i have an old laptop that does the same thing |
| 19:50:41 | raptor | the wifi chip overheats too fast |
| 19:51:12 | Watusimoto | but, when she is connected (the problem was intermittent, now is more or less permanent), she is on the eth0 <xxx> |
| 19:51:19 | Watusimoto | not sure what word should go in xxx |
| 19:51:30 | raptor | the router says that? |
| 19:51:37 | Watusimoto | when she cannot connect, her machine is listed as being on the br0 <xxx> |
| 19:51:38 | Watusimoto | yes |
| 19:51:43 | Watusimoto | I have tomato running on it, |
| 19:52:03 | Watusimoto | xxx = interface |
| 19:52:17 | raptor | interesting |
| 19:52:24 | Watusimoto | but I just noticed that now when her machine is off, the router still lists her as being on the br0 interface |
| 19:52:33 | raptor | that's OK |
| 19:52:34 | raptor | i think |
| 19:52:37 | Watusimoto | so that's probaby another false lead |
| 19:52:49 | raptor | a connection on the router isn't really 'kept alive' |
| 19:53:12 | raptor | it just gives your mac address an ip address and will flag it as being routable |
| 19:53:34 | Watusimoto | I think the wireless card is shot |
| 19:53:39 | raptor | one thing you... yes |
| 19:53:43 | raptor | that is the most likely scenario |
| 19:53:56 | Watusimoto | it was gradual but steady failure |
| 19:54:00 | raptor | another thing you could try is choose a different broadcast frequency on the router |
| 19:54:07 | Watusimoto | I've tried several |
| 19:54:24 | Watusimoto | even doing wireless surveys to find good channels |
| 19:54:25 | raptor | ok, then that pretty much means the chip is overheating to fast |
| 19:54:40 | raptor | *too fast |
| 19:54:42 | Watusimoto | I think it overheats when it is above freezing now |
| 19:54:50 | Watusimoto | :-) |
| 19:54:53 | raptor | haha |
| 19:55:21 | Watusimoto | Luckily, I avoided insurrection by borrowing an ethernet cable from work and giving her machine connectivity via ethernet patch to my machine |
| 19:55:33 | Watusimoto | and bridging her onto the router that way |
| 19:55:53 | Watusimoto | two days without minecraft and my kids were sharpening their knives |
| 19:56:10 | Watusimoto | getting the shakes and DTs |
| 19:56:16 | Watusimoto | they're addicted bad |
| 19:56:26 | Watusimoto | and get very agitated when denied their fix |
| 19:57:06 | Watusimoto | I can find replacement cards for $10 (top quality, I'm sure), but not easily available in Europe |
| 19:57:20 | raptor | oh man |
| 19:57:27 | raptor | sounds liek they need an intervention |
| 19:57:33 | Watusimoto | no kidding |
| 19:57:44 | raptor | like... all progress irretrievably lost on their accounts |
| 19:57:55 | Watusimoto | watch out... it starts out slow... I was even helping them get into gaming at first |
| 19:58:08 | raptor | i'll keep that in mind |
| 19:58:18 | raptor | maybe i can hook my kids on programming before gaming... |
| 19:58:21 | Watusimoto | oh look, he can use a mouse! |
| 19:58:26 | Watusimoto | he knows how to start the computer! |
| 19:58:36 | Watusimoto | wait... he knows my password? |
| 19:58:42 | raptor | bwhaha |
| 19:58:48 | Watusimoto | what the.... where did he get that account? |
| 19:58:51 | Watusimoto | and so on |
| 19:59:18 | Watusimoto | it's almost like they have some sort of intelligence |
| 20:00:55 | Watusimoto | so I was trying to run linux, and the problem is (I think) that my lenovo can't read the dvds I burned on my work lenovo |
| 20:01:09 | Watusimoto | so I may have reformatted my Mint install disk :-( |
| 20:01:51 | raptor | use a USB disk |
| 20:02:10 | raptor | you can dd a dvd or cd iso directly to the disk and use it to start the machine |
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| 20:04:01 | raptor | openSUSE provides a 'NET' install ISO |
| 20:04:12 | raptor | which is about 150MB |
| 20:04:35 | raptor | it has enough on it for it to boot, autodetect the network, download the installation system, and go |
| 20:05:45 | Watusimoto | good idea |
| 20:06:40 | Watusimoto | well, I think this might be a good short term mix |
| 20:06:41 | Watusimoto | fix |
| 20:06:42 | Watusimoto | http://www.amazon.de/TP-Link-TL-WN725N-Wireless-Nano-USB-Adapter/dp/B008B7PZU4/ref=pd_sim_sbs_ce_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=1MQ2B0B2ESVAZSEGFGBS |
| 20:07:02 | Watusimoto | especially if I can find something at a similar price in th elocal best buy equvialent shop |
| 20:09:17 | raptor | oh yeah |
| 20:09:40 | raptor | actually, if possible, i'd also disable the internal wireless chip |
| 20:14:11 | Watusimoto | that's a good idea.... via software, you mean? |
| 20:14:20 | Watusimoto | or via needlenose? |
| 20:14:23 | raptor | yes, or in the BIOS |
| 20:14:29 | Watusimoto | oh yes, I suppose it is |
| 20:14:54 | Watusimoto | at some point I'll replace the card itself... it's not terribly hard, but it is terribly stressful |
| 20:15:34 | Watusimoto | nothing like prying a plastic case apart and hearing that popping noise that means either success or soemthing has become irreparably broken |
| 20:16:52 | raptor | the rule used to be: 20 screws to the keyboard |
| 20:17:05 | Watusimoto | and there's always an instant where the result is unclear |
| 20:17:16 | Watusimoto | and in that instant lies great stress for me |
| 20:17:29 | raptor | now its: 2 broken plastic tabs, 5 etched screwdriver marks, and sheer luck |
| 20:17:47 | Watusimoto | and a long curvy scrach where the pybar slipped |
| 20:17:56 | Watusimoto | prybar |
| 20:18:05 | raptor | haha, that too |
| 20:18:07 | kaen | as the proud owner of several scuffed toshiba laptops |
| 20:18:12 | kaen | I can confirm all of this. |
| 20:18:39 | Watusimoto | I had an old dell where to get the keyboard out, you had to bend the plastic bezel almost 45 degrees before it popped out |
| 20:18:45 | Watusimoto | ugh, I hated that |
| 20:18:50 | kaen | my old wifi card used to sporadically come loose from my last laptop, and I'd have to disassembly, and nudge the card back into place on a weekly basis |
| 20:19:07 | Watusimoto | at that point, you just leave it dissassembled! |
| 20:19:17 | kaen | after a while I was like Forrest Gump disassembling a rifle |
| 20:19:22 | Watusimoto | ha |
| 20:19:41 | Watusimoto | this is my toshiba. there are many like it, but this one is mine. |
| 20:19:48 | kaen | ahaha |
| 20:21:00 | kaen | I get my wireless stuff and my chassis tomorrow! |
| 20:21:12 | kaen | I was so excited I even got the two day shipping |
| 20:23:07 | kaen | it's crazy that small electronics are a viable hobby |
| 20:23:12 | kaen | it seems so alien to me |
| 20:23:32 | kaen | but you can just buy some components online, look up a diagram, and get the drivers on github |
| 20:24:06 | kaen | it's not much harder than building models was as a kid |
| 20:25:58 | YoshiSmb_pc | oh an old memory get's back to me |
| 20:26:08 | YoshiSmb_pc | i remembered my computer |
| 20:26:25 | YoshiSmb_pc | it's still working after all those years |
| 20:30:40 | Watusimoto | what are you buying, exactly? |
| 20:32:40 | kaen | a pair of RF transceivers, and a stripped-down RC car chassis |
| 20:32:49 | kaen | to put my arduino on |
| 20:32:56 | kaen | and then.... do something |
| 20:33:08 | kaen | that's as far as I've gotten |
| 20:33:21 | kaen | I also bought some audio circuit components to play with |
| 20:33:39 | kaen | because analog synths are cool |
| 20:34:32 | kaen | so, maybe a remote-controlled singing keyboard-mobile |
| 20:37:51 | raptor | crawling 230,000 web pages at one per second takes a lot longer than i was hoping... the math is against me |
| 20:38:59 | Watusimoto | 2.6 days |
| 20:39:10 | Watusimoto | start it tomorrow night... will be done monday mornign |
| 20:39:37 | raptor | except this crawler has some sort of memory issue and it gets slower as it goes along |
| 20:39:47 | kaen | yuck |
| 20:39:53 | raptor | last time i started it, i stopped it after 4 days and only 45% done |
| 20:40:11 | raptor | so now i start/stop it every few hours |
| 20:40:46 | raptor | wanting to get closer to that 2.66 days |
| 20:41:08 | kaen | what a pain. is it already doing them async? |
| 20:41:16 | raptor | yep |
| 20:41:19 | raptor | 8 threads |
| 20:41:37 | raptor | i asked the web team how fast I could go... they said 1 per second is safe enough |
| 20:41:50 | kaen | oh I see |
| 20:42:25 | raptor | but the spider is proprietary and has issues |
| 20:50:50 | Watusimoto | you can't just use wget in spider mode? |
| 20:51:35 | raptor | this is a heavily proprietary system - the output of the spider needs to be compatible with the search engine |
| 20:52:28 | raptor | I have toyed with the idea of writing my own scraper, but i don't have the time to do it for our deadline... |
| 20:53:15 | Watusimoto | I see |
| 20:53:18 | Watusimoto | well... lovely! |
| 20:54:22 | raptor | also, i think i could get a new job that pays twice as much with the knowledge i've learned on this search engine project... but i don't really like search technology - it's *really* messy |
| 20:57:30 | raptor | I'm looking for a good sci fi book to read |
| 20:57:35 | raptor | any suggestions? |
| 20:57:45 | raptor | I haven't read that many, but I have read some of the more famous ones |
| 20:58:02 | raptor | but it has to be good |
| 20:58:10 | raptor | since i'm a slow reader |
| 21:02:13 | raptor | this page is hilarious: http://www.libressl.org/ |
| 21:02:42 | raptor | especially the note at the bottom |
| 21:20:26 | Watusimoto | lucifer's hammer is quite good |
| 21:21:21 | Nothing_Much | I don't get the point of the fork |
| 21:21:22 | Watusimoto | not totally sci fi |
| 21:21:47 | Watusimoto | but written by sci fi authors, and somewhat scifiey |
| 21:22:57 | raptor | published by 'Playboy Press' ?? |
| 21:22:57 | Watusimoto | I recently reread the Foundation Trilogy... not nearly as good as I remember it |
| 21:23:04 | Watusimoto | no |
| 21:23:20 | raptor | I finished the Foundations series recently |
| 21:23:27 | Watusimoto | but worth reading as it's a classic... and won;t take much time |
| 21:23:27 | Watusimoto | oh, ok |
| 21:23:31 | raptor | it got worse the further you went along |
| 21:23:33 | Watusimoto | not much in the way of character develiopment |
| 21:23:49 | raptor | yeah |
| 21:24:07 | Watusimoto | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer's_Hammer |
| 21:24:15 | Watusimoto | hmmm... seems like Playboy press |
| 21:24:35 | raptor | but it's not that type of book is it? the synopsis doesn't make it seem so... |
| 21:25:30 | Watusimoto | I think my copy is by a "normal" publisher |
| 21:25:35 | Watusimoto | also there's Dune |
| 21:25:52 | raptor | read dune |
| 21:25:56 | Watusimoto | LH is about life on earth after an asteroid hits |
| 21:26:05 | raptor | hmmm |
| 21:26:08 | raptor | sounds interesting |
| 21:26:21 | Watusimoto | well, I;ve read it twice, once in HS and once a few years ago, and really liked it both times |
| 21:26:31 | raptor | I'm open to fantasy-ish stuff too |
| 21:26:41 | Watusimoto | there's also Ringworld, which I read a loooong time ago, but liked |
| 21:26:45 | Watusimoto | also by Larry Niven |
| 21:27:13 | raptor | i finished the second ringworld book last year, i think - not sure i want to continue.. |
| 21:27:33 | raptor | the first was good, but it started devolving a little like the foundation books |
| 21:27:41 | raptor | lots of breadth, not much depth |
| 21:28:12 | Watusimoto | And of course, there's Battlefield Earth -- never read it, but the author went on to rather widespread fame for his writings |
| 21:28:17 | Watusimoto | :-) |
| 21:28:39 | Watusimoto | Hobbit, LOTR... just read those in the last 2 years |
| 21:29:06 | Watusimoto | I also reread The English Patient recently... not sci fi, but still really good |
| 21:29:27 | Watusimoto | And Shogun, one of my all-time favorites |
| 21:29:31 | raptor | it's not quite time to reread LOTR for me... i reread the hobbit 2 years go |
| 21:29:43 | raptor | never heard of Shogun |
| 21:30:00 | Watusimoto | It's really really good |
| 21:30:09 | raptor | this one?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sh%C5%8Dgun_%28novel%29 |
| 21:30:19 | Watusimoto | yes |
| 21:31:12 | Watusimoto | game of thrones is probably good... I haven;t read the books, but the tv show is quite good |
| 21:31:19 | Watusimoto | and the books get good reviews |
| 21:31:45 | Watusimoto | the only problem there is that the final book(s) haven;t yet been written, and the author is in poor health and seems to have lost interest |
| 21:32:02 | Watusimoto | he said he's received threats to get writing... or else. |
| 21:32:17 | raptor | oh wonderful |
| 21:34:16 | raptor | I think I may have read parts of Shogun... |
| 21:34:21 | raptor | it seems vaguely familiar |
| 21:34:31 | Watusimoto | that's a rather detailed plot summary |
| 21:35:02 | raptor | In fact, I bet I did for some civ class either in highschool or early college |
| 21:35:49 | Watusimoto | Name of the Rose is also quite good |
| 21:36:18 | Watusimoto | not quite fantasy, but fantasyish, sort of |
| 21:36:19 | Watusimoto | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Name_of_the_Rose |
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| 21:40:26 | Watusimoto | bitfighter question |
| 21:40:37 | Watusimoto | (yes, I am still occasionally thinking about bitfighter...) |
| 21:40:54 | Watusimoto | I'm going to add overtime/sudden death when games end in a tie |
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| 21:41:02 | Watusimoto | 1) any objection? |
| 21:41:27 | Watusimoto | 2) which should it be? I'm thinking either extending the games for 30secs, or just first score wins |
| 21:41:34 | Watusimoto | have an opinion? |
| 21:41:57 | raptor | yes |
| 21:42:05 | raptor | I think it should only be implemented for certain game modes |
| 21:42:19 | raptor | ideally |
| 21:42:28 | raptor | sudden death means: |
| 21:42:35 | raptor | 1. a little extra time |
| 21:42:44 | raptor | 2. some criteria that makes it 'sudden' |
| 21:42:49 | raptor | so, for instance |
| 21:42:52 | Watusimoto | sudden death means next score wins, immediately |
| 21:42:57 | raptor | yes |
| 21:43:05 | raptor | that would be how it is in CTF |
| 21:43:14 | Watusimoto | oh , sorry, I misread your comment |
| 21:43:24 | raptor | i think it should not be implemented that way in HTF or RET |
| 21:43:34 | raptor | since points go up fast or are swapped easily |
| 21:43:34 | Watusimoto | hmmm... good point |
| 21:43:39 | Watusimoto | ctf should be sudden death |
| 21:43:47 | Watusimoto | bm, and soccer too |
| 21:43:56 | raptor | BM maybe... |
| 21:44:00 | raptor | it's a little fast |
| 21:44:02 | raptor | soccer yes |
| 21:44:03 | Watusimoto | true |
| 21:44:11 | raptor | BM maybe give another 30 seconds |
| 21:44:19 | Watusimoto | ok, well, I'll implement a flexible model, and we can determine the particulars later |
| 21:44:25 | raptor | RAB has the same problem as BM |
| 21:44:28 | Watusimoto | ye |
| 21:44:29 | Watusimoto | s |
| 21:44:35 | raptor | Core would be good to have a straight minute |
| 21:44:46 | raptor | and maybe slow health reduction of the Cores? |
| 21:44:49 | Watusimoto | not first to kill a core wins? |
| 21:45:13 | raptor | well... are you planning on making a tie impossible? |
| 21:45:18 | raptor | i mean, is that the goal |
| 21:45:19 | Watusimoto | slow degradation is good |
| 21:45:19 | raptor | ? |
| 21:45:32 | Watusimoto | yes... ties are for losers |
| 21:45:37 | raptor | hahaha |
| 21:45:38 | Watusimoto | (or rather, for tiers) |
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| 21:48:21 | raptor | so that's my opinion - it needs to be flexible, yes |
| 21:48:27 | raptor | also |
| 21:48:37 | raptor | it's already impossible to ahve a tie in rabbit or BM |
| 21:48:53 | raptor | unless the time runs out... |
| 21:48:57 | raptor | never mind |
| 21:49:05 | raptor | forgot about the time (was thinking about the BBB) |
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| 22:03:12 | raptor | back later! |
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