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| 14:46:04 | fordcars | Forums are starting to look good :) |
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| 17:04:05 | Nothing_Much | What's up with the forums fordcars? |
| 17:04:30 | Nothing_Much | Hi everyone btw |
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| 17:12:14 | Watusimoto | hi |
| 17:12:20 | raptor | hello |
| 17:12:28 | Watusimoto | got the forums almost done |
| 17:12:34 | Watusimoto | but I messed up the wiki header |
| 17:12:55 | Watusimoto | for forums, only need to get the spacing right between Bitfighter, red buttons, and top of form block |
| 17:13:22 | Watusimoto | this is such a painful process |
| 17:13:35 | raptor | forums look good! |
| 17:13:41 | Watusimoto | whomever designed css... well... this is a family forum |
| 17:14:26 | raptor | I think i had both the server status and MOTD in the same block like before, too |
| 17:14:34 | raptor | but it looks good either way |
| 17:14:51 | Watusimoto | I don't understand that comment |
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| 17:19:20 | raptor | sorry, i mean the same grey area together |
| 17:19:30 | raptor | instead of separate like i alluded to yesterday |
| 17:21:36 | Watusimoto | the archive page shows two different sections |
| 17:21:44 | Watusimoto | https://web.archive.org/web/20131217071152/http://bitfighter.org/forums/ |
| 17:21:51 | raptor | yes but it doesn't have the motd |
| 17:25:09 | Watusimoto | so when you added the motd, you merged them? |
| 17:27:56 | raptor | actually, i don't remember that well... so disregard (sorry) |
| 17:28:31 | Watusimoto | will do |
| 17:28:48 | Watusimoto | so everything is vertically aligned between the various tabs |
| 17:29:03 | Watusimoto | but when I switch to the forums, ti seems to jiggle a little, before settling in. |
| 17:29:11 | Watusimoto | any idea why? the other tabs don't do that |
| 17:29:35 | Watusimoto | actually, maybe the do on occasion |
| 17:29:58 | Watusimoto | oh bother, now they're all doing that |
| 17:30:05 | raptor | delete cache! |
| 17:30:31 | raptor | oh, the forums have always wiggled a bit |
| 17:30:42 | raptor | that was my fault when I was attempting to get it right |
| 17:30:44 | Watusimoto | I know... I'm just trying to understand why |
| 17:30:50 | raptor | it was much worse before |
| 17:31:08 | raptor | use the 'computed' section in the developer tools with firefox |
| 17:31:35 | raptor | let me dig into it a bit... |
| 17:32:01 | Watusimoto | got some wiiiiiide divs going on |
| 17:32:04 | raptor | did you change the global font size? |
| 17:32:08 | Watusimoto | no |
| 17:32:18 | raptor | does the forums font look smaller to you? |
| 17:32:20 | Watusimoto | I don;t think I did anything with font size |
| 17:32:30 | Watusimoto | compared to the archive version, yes |
| 17:32:37 | raptor | compared to yesterday, too |
| 17:32:50 | Watusimoto | and compared to the other areas of the site |
| 17:33:20 | Watusimoto | yes, defintely smaller |
| 17:38:44 | Watusimoto | ok, all tabs now fixed... including wiki |
| 17:38:49 | Watusimoto | everything at the same height |
| 17:38:51 | Watusimoto | what a mess |
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| 17:41:22 | Watusimoto | there must have been a global font size magnification going on somehow, as font sizes are set all over the place |
| 17:49:29 | Watusimoto | and there is! |
| 17:49:53 | Watusimoto | on the body tag, you can specify a size like 84% that will make all text bigger or smaller |
| 17:51:37 | raptor | hi again (sorry) |
| 17:51:43 | raptor | we got our first printer |
| 17:51:54 | raptor | and the kids wanted me to print a page of shapes to color |
| 17:52:30 | raptor | ok, yes, there is a global size and the forums added another one on, i think |
| 17:52:47 | raptor | i specifically wrapped each page in a #bf_page div |
| 17:53:21 | raptor | so as to not have cross contamination with styles - i think before we had adopted forums ids/classes for things on the main site |
| 17:53:27 | raptor | i wanted to move away from that |
| 17:54:18 | raptor | now the forums are huge! |
| 17:56:27 | Watusimoto | check now |
| 17:56:54 | Watusimoto | I was experimenting with different text values reported by the browser, but that didn't work |
| 17:56:56 | raptor | looks a bit better... but i'm not sure if it's the exact as the rest of the site |
| 17:57:01 | Watusimoto | it is |
| 17:57:08 | Watusimoto | at least the B is the same |
| 17:57:14 | Watusimoto | I measured it |
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| 17:57:37 | raptor | could you undo the change you made yesterday that modified it in the first place? |
| 17:57:50 | Watusimoto | i could, if I had any idea what it was |
| 17:58:03 | raptor | also, are you directly editing the forums styles? |
| 17:58:12 | raptor | or just the sitewide styles? |
| 17:58:27 | Watusimoto | it depends on what I'm doing |
| 17:58:46 | Watusimoto | if things are adjusting only the forums without affecting other things, I'll do it in forums styles |
| 17:58:59 | Watusimoto | if they are settings that affect everything, I'll do it in inc/css |
| 17:59:16 | raptor | ok, so that's a 'yes' |
| 17:59:33 | fordcars | Hello again! |
| 17:59:33 | Watusimoto | there's a lot of figeting to get thigns to line up right across the different systems (html, formus, wiki) |
| 17:59:40 | Watusimoto | hi again@ |
| 17:59:42 | Watusimoto | @ |
| 17:59:42 | Watusimoto | ! |
| 17:59:51 | raptor | my original goal was to avoid changing *any* forums styles other than adding our includes to the header/footer |
| 18:00:11 | raptor | then we'd just modify our site wide includes to override anything we wanted int he forums |
| 18:00:27 | Watusimoto | I had that dream once, too |
| 18:00:31 | raptor | and that way would could easily update forum styles without having to remerge anything |
| 18:00:39 | raptor | except the header/footer |
| 18:00:42 | Watusimoto | I'm going to shrink the fourms a tad, as the font just looks too big |
| 18:00:47 | raptor | i had already done it... |
| 18:01:04 | raptor | the only thing that was broke was the vertical alignment of the nav buttons |
| 18:01:16 | raptor | which could have been fixed in our sitewide includes |
| 18:02:28 | Watusimoto | I must misunderstnad what you mean |
| 18:02:47 | Watusimoto | are you saying you were able to run the forums with a stock set of css ??? |
| 18:02:51 | raptor | yes |
| 18:03:02 | Watusimoto | really? |
| 18:03:12 | raptor | the only thing i did was add our header/footer to the header/footer template |
| 18:03:24 | raptor | then i did overrides in those header/footer includes |
| 18:03:37 | raptor | yes |
| 18:03:56 | raptor | because this is such a pain that i wanted a single place to modify stuff site-wide |
| 18:04:07 | Watusimoto | we could achieve the same goal by moving all modified forums styles to the central stylesheets |
| 18:04:23 | raptor | that was what was attempted before with the drupal, and it was just as much a mess |
| 18:04:27 | raptor | if not more so |
| 18:04:36 | raptor | oh wait |
| 18:04:38 | Watusimoto | how did you do it differently? |
| 18:04:40 | raptor | i misunderstood |
| 18:04:52 | raptor | you are correct - that is exactly what i meant to do |
| 18:05:05 | raptor | move all modified forum styles to the central includes |
| 18:05:38 | Watusimoto | then you have two conflicting style defs -- one in the stock css, and one in the central |
| 18:05:48 | raptor | what do you mean 'stock' ? |
| 18:06:04 | Watusimoto | and you still have a mess because margins and such are different between wiki, forms, and html pages |
| 18:06:41 | Watusimoto | I define stock in this case to mean what you would get if you downloaded ca_black theme |
| 18:06:49 | raptor | ok, yes, stock forums |
| 18:06:50 | Watusimoto | or whatever we're using for the base |
| 18:06:54 | raptor | i don't want to change it |
| 18:07:04 | raptor | then we add overrides on our central includes |
| 18:07:33 | Watusimoto | so if stock defines font as 12px, and central defines it as 13px, how do you be sure you get the 13px? |
| 18:07:46 | Watusimoto | we don't realy control order of includes |
| 18:08:01 | raptor | yes we do |
| 18:08:20 | raptor | i will illustrate by pointing you to the file (if you haven't already modified it) |
| 18:08:40 | raptor | the idea is to guarantee that our central always overrides the the stock app styles |
| 18:10:30 | raptor | these are the only two files i modified in the stock templates: |
| 18:10:34 | raptor | /var/www/html/forums/styles/ca_black/template/overall_header.html |
| 18:10:39 | raptor | /var/www/html/forums/styles/ca_black/template/overall_footer.html |
| 18:11:46 | raptor | line 95 and 102 of the overallheader.html |
| 18:11:50 | raptor | are our sitewide includes |
| 18:12:02 | raptor | one is the last include in the <head> section, guaranteeing overrides |
| 18:12:04 | Watusimoto | ok |
| 18:12:28 | raptor | the other is the first in the <body> section, allowing 'runtime' changes |
| 18:13:31 | Watusimoto | it is the last def that is used |
| 18:13:33 | Watusimoto | ? |
| 18:14:10 | raptor | includes are loaded sequentially top-to-bottom when an HTML file is parsed |
| 18:14:25 | raptor | the last one always overrides ones before |
| 18:14:59 | Watusimoto | ok |
| 18:15:20 | Watusimoto | I added a comment to that effect, as I think it makes the intent of your model clearer |
| 18:16:11 | raptor | my idea was that for each 'app' we run on the site, all we do is add 3 includes: one last in the <head> element, one first in the <body>, one last in the <body> (being the footer) |
| 18:16:34 | Watusimoto | ok, that sounds good |
| 18:16:40 | raptor | same with each static page |
| 18:16:45 | Watusimoto | yes |
| 18:17:04 | Watusimoto | so that is more-or-less how it is now |
| 18:17:22 | Watusimoto | except I rearranged overall_header a little to get elements in the right containers |
| 18:17:34 | raptor | for the most part, all three shoudl be the same everywhere, but for the forums we have a different one in the <head>, i think because of the font issue |
| 18:17:44 | Watusimoto | ok |
| 18:17:50 | raptor | if i remember - i'll have to look |
| 18:18:02 | raptor | but then all we do is edit our central styles |
| 18:18:11 | raptor | with minimal work to each 'app' |
| 18:18:27 | Watusimoto | ok, well I did not fully adhere to that |
| 18:18:29 | Watusimoto | sadly |
| 18:18:39 | Watusimoto | most of the edits were in the central styles, but not all |
| 18:18:46 | raptor | can they be moved? |
| 18:18:58 | Watusimoto | very likely, yes |
| 18:19:11 | Watusimoto | I'd need to identify them first, probably by getting a pristine set of styles to compare with |
| 18:19:28 | raptor | which forum files did you edit? |
| 18:19:40 | Watusimoto | several of the css files |
| 18:19:45 | raptor | NOoooo |
| 18:19:49 | Watusimoto | yes |
| 18:19:54 | raptor | which directory? i'll get you a diff |
| 18:20:55 | Watusimoto | forums/styles/ca_black/theme |
| 18:22:04 | Watusimoto | Also, we need to hope that there are no conflicting style names across our apps |
| 18:22:08 | raptor | ok, found under: /root/forums_css.diff |
| 18:22:10 | raptor | yes |
| 18:22:42 | raptor | to make sure of that, i wrapped every page with a <div="bf_page"></div> |
| 18:22:57 | raptor | so in our central styles we can prefix things with #bf_page |
| 18:25:36 | Watusimoto | I;m not sure that would help... if wiki and forums have different styles for H2, if they are both wrapped in bf_page, we're no better off |
| 18:25:58 | Watusimoto | or do you mean bf_wiki, bf_forms, etc.? |
| 18:26:37 | raptor | no... actually, you're right - that was in response to a different problem |
| 18:26:53 | raptor | oh |
| 18:27:12 | raptor | i did it with using a different css for the <head> include |
| 18:27:24 | raptor | see the difference between header.html and header-forums.html |
| 18:27:29 | Watusimoto | I see |
| 18:27:50 | raptor | the idea being not so many styles apply to the forums since it already has everything |
| 18:27:57 | Watusimoto | yes |
| 18:28:12 | raptor | so just the absolute minimum for the ships/logo, etc |
| 18:28:21 | Watusimoto | ok, will persusing that diff file it seems that most fo the changes will be no problem to move |
| 18:28:39 | raptor | ok |
| 18:28:46 | raptor | can you can add a css line to header-forums.html |
| 18:29:01 | raptor | for overrides |
| 18:29:17 | raptor | looks like we need updated screenshots |
| 18:29:22 | Watusimoto | yes |
| 18:29:35 | raptor | and i remember the current ones looking so new and updated! |
| 18:29:39 | Watusimoto | we always need newer screenshots |
| 18:29:57 | Watusimoto | oh, meaning we lost our new screenshots and reverted to old |
| 18:30:05 | Watusimoto | boo! |
| 18:30:09 | raptor | no |
| 18:30:13 | raptor | we have the 'newer' ones |
| 18:30:34 | Watusimoto | yes |
| 18:30:37 | raptor | I'm just remember that the last time i did the work to get screenshots they were all fancy compared to 015a shots |
| 18:30:42 | raptor | *remembering |
| 18:31:00 | raptor | but since 019, they look all ugly again |
| 18:34:28 | raptor | we do ahve body ids |
| 18:34:49 | raptor | i think that's what we can use to preface page specific things, e.g. #contact ul li ... |
| 18:35:54 | Watusimoto | rats |
| 18:36:04 | Watusimoto | it seems we have a potential naming conflict right on our home page |
| 18:36:24 | Watusimoto | bfnews |
| 18:36:46 | Watusimoto | is used for both our section on the lastet news about the game |
| 18:36:55 | Watusimoto | and also for the green motd text |
| 18:37:47 | raptor | bfmotd |
| 18:38:08 | raptor | or the other could be bfnewsitems |
| 18:38:27 | Watusimoto | I'm chanigng the green one to motd |
| 18:40:30 | Watusimoto | ok, fixed |
| 18:40:35 | Watusimoto | so this is all being backed up? |
| 18:40:49 | Watusimoto | just want to be sure |
| 18:40:51 | raptor | i run the backup thingy every few days |
| 18:40:57 | raptor | but i should put it on a cron |
| 18:41:04 | Watusimoto | yes, you should! |
| 18:41:06 | raptor | my architecture: https://beta.etherpad.org/bfsitedesign |
| 18:41:12 | raptor | (open to idea changes) |
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| 18:41:54 | Watusimoto | I prefer using the id for overrides |
| 18:42:04 | Watusimoto | it will totally work with our collection of stuff |
| 18:42:18 | Watusimoto | as phpbb and wiki have predefined ids |
| 18:42:46 | raptor | ok |
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| 18:43:27 | Watusimoto | alright... I'm knocking off for the evening |
| 18:43:38 | raptor | ok |
| 18:43:40 | Watusimoto | I will move the diff stuff to central styles tomorrow |
| 18:43:53 | raptor | ok |
| 18:43:56 | Watusimoto | and then... maybe... i can be done with the site cleanup |
| 18:44:00 | raptor | yes |
| 18:44:06 | Watusimoto | thoguh we also need to decide what to do atbout the mailing list |
| 18:44:10 | raptor | and we should only touch it iteratively when it suites our fancy |
| 18:44:21 | raptor | oh yeah... forgot about that |
| 18:44:22 | Watusimoto | I haven't tested it at all, but presume it will fail |
| 18:44:43 | Watusimoto | so we either need to get it working again, or not have a mailing list |
| 18:45:05 | Watusimoto | I don't feel it is a super dynamic way of communicating, but... it's a way of communicating |
| 18:45:22 | raptor | ok |
| 18:45:33 | raptor | we have the database from december |
| 18:46:20 | raptor | sorry, november 23 |
| 18:48:47 | raptor | what was the name of the mailing list software again? I can probably get it set up right now... |
| 18:49:06 | raptor | 'phplist'? |
| 18:49:12 | raptor | (maybe you're gone) |
| 18:49:19 | raptor | i'll look up database references |
| 18:50:17 | raptor | yep, phplist |
| 18:50:20 | raptor | i'll set it up now |
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