#bitfighter IRC Log

IRC Log for 2014-09-05

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00:04:29 fordcars Oh well http://jsfiddle.net/ditman/8Ffrw/ uses HTML5
00:04:39 fordcars Not every browser supports it
00:04:49 fordcars But it would be cool
00:07:07 Wolfgange|2 yeah, good point
00:12:09 Wolfgange|2 What happened to the background 0_0
00:17:00 fordcars Night!
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00:24:42 raptor i'm heading to bed, too.  good night!
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06:18:45 Nothing_Much Howdy Wolfgange1, how'd you find out about Bitfighter? :)
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08:07:24 Wolfgange1 In response to you,  nothing much,  I FOUND OUT ABOUT IT JUST THROUGH GOOGLE FOR OPEN SOURCE PROJECTS ON Google code
08:07:30 Wolfgange1 Lol dry caps
08:07:39 Wolfgange1 *sry
08:08:46 Wolfgange1 When I searched "game"  on Google code with c++ label,  bitfighter was the fifth one or so.
08:09:44 Wolfgange1 OK I have to go but I'll look on the log when I get back in a few hours
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10:12:59 Nothing_Much Anybody know what Wishnet is?
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13:15:02 raptor good day!
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14:54:58 Watusimoto_ I wonder if we can use this anywhere?
14:54:59 Watusimoto_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_inverse_square_root
14:55:02 Watusimoto_ and hello
14:55:11 raptor MATHS!
14:55:14 raptor hi
14:55:49 raptor hahaha
14:55:52 raptor i've seen that before...
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14:57:17 raptor four times faster...
14:57:26 raptor do we use inverse sqrt anywhere?
14:58:52 raptor 32bit specific..
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15:12:29 Watusimoto All our numbers are 32 bits
15:13:16 Watusimoto I haven;t looked for inverse sqrt -- perhaps in the collision responses and such.  My goal was mainly to show you a cool looking math hack
15:13:21 raptor yes, but are the 32 bits "IEEE 754 floating point format" on all platforms?
15:13:26 Watusimoto Even if ti has no utility for us
15:14:04 Watusimoto Good question... we could easily set up a test case if it seemed relevant; most of us have 64 bit computers
15:15:15 raptor actually...  it looks like SSE has made this obsolete
15:15:21 raptor on x86, that is
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15:38:15 Nothing_Much Anybody know what Wishnet is?
15:38:38 raptor I don't, sorry
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15:45:46 Nothing_Much raptor: Oh okay, because there's a server that says Wishnet Bitfighter on there
15:45:57 raptor oh?
15:46:51 Nothing_Much Yeah, look at the servers
15:47:07 raptor geoip places it in autralia
15:47:08 Nothing_Much Apparently it's an Austrailian game clan or something
15:47:11 raptor *Austrailia
15:47:13 Nothing_Much Yeah
15:47:23 raptor well neat
15:48:09 Nothing_Much I haven't seen players on it lately though, but that may be because I'm sleeping eariler
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16:02:17 Watusimoto I just (verbally) accepted a new job (based on a verbal offer)
16:02:34 raptor oh boy!
16:02:40 Watusimoto indeed
16:02:42 raptor whcih was it?  or a new one?
16:02:54 Watusimoto it was the job I thought I would like better
16:03:09 Watusimoto it turns out they offer a similar amount of flexibility, and matched the pay
16:03:12 Watusimoto so I win all around
16:03:17 raptor great!!
16:03:38 Watusimoto Oh, but I never told you the absolute best part of what I'll be doing!
16:03:40 raptor was that the one in that c++ CLI language?
16:03:50 Watusimoto No, that was a demo for the job I am not taking
16:03:55 raptor ah ok
16:04:01 raptor so what will you be doing?
16:04:04 Watusimoto but it was not a complete waste...
16:04:05 raptor JEE ?  :)
16:04:11 Watusimoto better!
16:04:16 Watusimoto better better better!
16:04:21 Watusimoto c# and dot.net!
16:04:22 raptor python?
16:04:27 raptor oooo
16:04:36 Watusimoto Back to microsoft!
16:04:43 Watusimoto after years in the opensource wilderness!
16:04:58 Watusimoto hooray for running servers on windows machines!
16:05:03 raptor try to keep it MONO compliant and you can stay in the wilderness  :)
16:05:06 Watusimoto because that just makes sense!
16:05:34 Watusimoto they told me their last guy quit because "working on microsoft made him physically ill"
16:05:50 raptor oh lovely
16:06:02 Watusimoto so he was very clear when we talked today that they were an MS shop
16:06:12 Watusimoto I'll have to be subtle when slipping in the open techs
16:07:10 Watusimoto actually, the one updside I see to learning C# is that when I looked at jobs, 90% fell into three categories
16:07:18 Watusimoto 1) Javascript awesomeness
16:07:31 Watusimoto 2) AWS SaaS backend work
16:07:34 raptor one of my previous coworkers started slipping in different techs in his new job
16:07:35 Watusimoto 3) dotNet
16:07:49 raptor oh really
16:07:52 Watusimoto and the first two sound miserable
16:07:57 raptor not java anymore?
16:08:12 Watusimoto Some, but mostly in services of AWS type stuff
16:08:19 Watusimoto I didn't see any client side java jobs
16:08:24 Watusimoto well, maybe one or two
16:08:47 raptor i think stackoverflow runs on the .NET web stack
16:08:49 Watusimoto but in most cases, my java experience was helpful in convincing people I knew how to program
16:09:05 Watusimoto and, apparently, java code is very similar to c#
16:09:13 raptor errr stackoverflow.com
16:09:18 raptor yes it is
16:09:47 Watusimoto so even though I didn't see too many java jobs, I think it's a marketable skill
16:09:54 raptor but since oracle has bought java, i think it has stagnated a bit and C# has taken a lead in some newer technology implementations
16:10:01 raptor but it's not as cross-platform
16:10:08 Watusimoto that's the downside
16:10:13 Watusimoto I like cross platform
16:10:28 Watusimoto but that's more philosophical
16:10:50 Watusimoto if the clients all are using windows, why spend time engineering for linux desktops?
16:11:08 raptor too true
16:11:25 Watusimoto It all comes down to setting your goals correctly
16:11:36 Watusimoto but... servers on windows
16:11:41 raptor i just have one request - please don't insert c# into bitfighter  :)
16:11:48 Watusimoto thank goodness I'm not in a devops position
16:11:56 Watusimoto I'll try to resist
16:12:19 Watusimoto bitfighter is my sactuary
16:12:20 raptor if you think servers on windows is bad...  try debugging servers on windows
16:12:28 Watusimoto yeah.  that.\
16:12:45 Watusimoto though visual studio is pretty good
16:12:49 Watusimoto I assume that's what they use
16:12:56 raptor maybe you'll get the ultimate version
16:13:03 Watusimoto maybe I can get access to some of the nicer refactoring plugins
16:13:12 raptor and can refa.... yes
16:13:37 Watusimoto though I've gotten pretty good at making do with the free stuff
16:14:12 Watusimoto I'll definitely make them buy me a copy of Sublime
16:14:18 raptor haha
16:14:33 raptor that'll be your first sneaky operation...
16:14:39 raptor then they'll all use it!
16:18:06 Watusimoto yes... it's not open source, but it is cross-platform and non-ms
16:22:14 Watusimoto and I get a snazzy title: Software Architect
16:22:22 raptor OOOoooo
16:22:29 Watusimoto Moving up in the world!
16:22:31 raptor we had one of those just leave us
16:22:40 raptor for Symantec
16:22:47 Watusimoto He'll suffer
16:22:52 raptor haha
16:23:05 Watusimoto I wonder if those clowns install Norton on their machines
16:23:12 Watusimoto or if they are smart enough to avoid it
16:27:44 raptor in their case it would be eating their own dog poo
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17:26:11 Watusimoto One of my few recorded songs from my punk rock days had the lyric "What did you roll in/what did step in/why do you smell like my dog?"   Kind of reminds me of symantec :-)
17:26:38 raptor hahaha
17:27:22 Watusimoto vivaldi it was not
17:28:54 BFLogBot Commit: a97eeb66df | Author: watusimoto | Message: Rename method
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17:28:59 BFLogBot Commit: d9f821da94 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Convert some c_str stuff to string to fix some weirdness that appeared out of nowhere
17:29:00 BFLogBot Commit: 39e0fa1c8b | Author: watusimoto | Message: Merge
17:29:49 koda congrats on your new job Watusimoto
17:29:57 Watusimoto thanks!
17:30:28 Watusimoto It happened faster than I wanted... I'll be attending a conference next week where I had planned to do some job hunting
17:48:52 Watusimoto new version of LLVM was released: http://www.llvm.org/docs/ReleaseNotes.html#whatsnew
17:49:47 Watusimoto looks like the release notes are still WIP
18:21:16 koda release notes or the compiler itself :p
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18:24:18 raptor LLVM is our ticket to bitfighter in the browser!
18:25:55 Wolfgange what is llvm (I might be in the middle of a conv.)
18:26:59 Wolfgange OK, i see
18:27:00 Wolfgange http://llvm.org/
18:27:16 Wolfgange Either way, I have a bug consistently happening
18:27:22 koda what went with that project?
18:35:49 Wolfgange A segmentation fault.
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21:05:14 Nothing_Much llvm?
21:05:19 Nothing_Much isn't that software rendering?
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22:45:54 Wolfgange any devs active?
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23:07:19 raptor freeorion was released!
23:21:17 raptor let's get this beast packaged..
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23:56:31 Wolfgange hello?
23:56:36 raptor hi
23:56:48 Wolfgange Im runnign into a bug consistently
23:56:53 raptor oh?
23:56:56 Wolfgange a segmentation fault
23:56:58 Wolfgange is it known?
23:57:21 raptor depends - we introduce segfaults all the time when developing  :)
23:57:29 Wolfgange lol
23:58:22 Wolfgange whenever finishing a multiplayer game, it crashes and spews out an error starting with segmentation fault 11
23:58:32 raptor you'll have to provide a little more info:  like how to reproduce it and what revision
23:58:39 raptor ok
23:58:47 Wolfgange Latest revision as of yesterday
23:58:58 Wolfgange let me post the error in pastebin
23:59:01 raptor ok
23:59:53 raptor if it has the word 'Assert' or 'assertion' in the error, make sure to grab the lines around that, too

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00:04:29	fordcars	Oh well http://jsfiddle.net/ditman/8Ffrw/ uses HTML5
00:04:39	fordcars	Not every browser supports it
00:04:49	fordcars	But it would be cool
00:07:07	Wolfgange\|2	yeah, good point
00:12:09	Wolfgange\|2	What happened to the background 0_0
00:17:00	fordcars	Night!
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00:24:42	raptor	i'm heading to bed, too. good night!
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06:18:45	Nothing_Much	Howdy Wolfgange1, how'd you find out about Bitfighter? :)
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08:07:24	Wolfgange1	In response to you, nothing much, I FOUND OUT ABOUT IT JUST THROUGH GOOGLE FOR OPEN SOURCE PROJECTS ON Google code
08:07:30	Wolfgange1	Lol dry caps
08:07:39	Wolfgange1	*sry
08:08:46	Wolfgange1	When I searched "game" on Google code with c++ label, bitfighter was the fifth one or so.
08:09:44	Wolfgange1	OK I have to go but I'll look on the log when I get back in a few hours
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10:12:59	Nothing_Much	Anybody know what Wishnet is?
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14:54:58	Watusimoto_	I wonder if we can use this anywhere?
14:54:59	Watusimoto_	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_inverse_square_root
14:55:02	Watusimoto_	and hello
14:55:11	raptor	MATHS!
14:55:14	raptor	hi
14:55:49	raptor	hahaha
14:55:52	raptor	i've seen that before...
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14:57:17	raptor	four times faster...
14:57:26	raptor	do we use inverse sqrt anywhere?
14:58:52	raptor	32bit specific..
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15:12:29	Watusimoto	All our numbers are 32 bits
15:13:16	Watusimoto	I haven;t looked for inverse sqrt -- perhaps in the collision responses and such. My goal was mainly to show you a cool looking math hack
15:13:21	raptor	yes, but are the 32 bits "IEEE 754 floating point format" on all platforms?
15:13:26	Watusimoto	Even if ti has no utility for us
15:14:04	Watusimoto	Good question... we could easily set up a test case if it seemed relevant; most of us have 64 bit computers
15:15:15	raptor	actually... it looks like SSE has made this obsolete
15:15:21	raptor	on x86, that is
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15:38:15	Nothing_Much	Anybody know what Wishnet is?
15:38:38	raptor	I don't, sorry
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15:45:46	Nothing_Much	raptor: Oh okay, because there's a server that says Wishnet Bitfighter on there
15:45:57	raptor	oh?
15:46:51	Nothing_Much	Yeah, look at the servers
15:47:07	raptor	geoip places it in autralia
15:47:08	Nothing_Much	Apparently it's an Austrailian game clan or something
15:47:11	raptor	*Austrailia
15:47:13	Nothing_Much	Yeah
15:47:23	raptor	well neat
15:48:09	Nothing_Much	I haven't seen players on it lately though, but that may be because I'm sleeping eariler
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16:02:17	Watusimoto	I just (verbally) accepted a new job (based on a verbal offer)
16:02:34	raptor	oh boy!
16:02:40	Watusimoto	indeed
16:02:42	raptor	whcih was it? or a new one?
16:02:54	Watusimoto	it was the job I thought I would like better
16:03:09	Watusimoto	it turns out they offer a similar amount of flexibility, and matched the pay
16:03:12	Watusimoto	so I win all around
16:03:17	raptor	great!!
16:03:38	Watusimoto	Oh, but I never told you the absolute best part of what I'll be doing!
16:03:40	raptor	was that the one in that c++ CLI language?
16:03:50	Watusimoto	No, that was a demo for the job I am not taking
16:03:55	raptor	ah ok
16:04:01	raptor	so what will you be doing?
16:04:04	Watusimoto	but it was not a complete waste...
16:04:05	raptor	JEE ? :)
16:04:11	Watusimoto	better!
16:04:16	Watusimoto	better better better!
16:04:21	Watusimoto	c# and dot.net!
16:04:22	raptor	python?
16:04:27	raptor	oooo
16:04:36	Watusimoto	Back to microsoft!
16:04:43	Watusimoto	after years in the opensource wilderness!
16:04:58	Watusimoto	hooray for running servers on windows machines!
16:05:03	raptor	try to keep it MONO compliant and you can stay in the wilderness :)
16:05:06	Watusimoto	because that just makes sense!
16:05:34	Watusimoto	they told me their last guy quit because "working on microsoft made him physically ill"
16:05:50	raptor	oh lovely
16:06:02	Watusimoto	so he was very clear when we talked today that they were an MS shop
16:06:12	Watusimoto	I'll have to be subtle when slipping in the open techs
16:07:10	Watusimoto	actually, the one updside I see to learning C# is that when I looked at jobs, 90% fell into three categories
16:07:18	Watusimoto	1) Javascript awesomeness
16:07:31	Watusimoto	2) AWS SaaS backend work
16:07:34	raptor	one of my previous coworkers started slipping in different techs in his new job
16:07:35	Watusimoto	3) dotNet
16:07:49	raptor	oh really
16:07:52	Watusimoto	and the first two sound miserable
16:07:57	raptor	not java anymore?
16:08:12	Watusimoto	Some, but mostly in services of AWS type stuff
16:08:19	Watusimoto	I didn't see any client side java jobs
16:08:24	Watusimoto	well, maybe one or two
16:08:47	raptor	i think stackoverflow runs on the .NET web stack
16:08:49	Watusimoto	but in most cases, my java experience was helpful in convincing people I knew how to program
16:09:05	Watusimoto	and, apparently, java code is very similar to c#
16:09:13	raptor	errr stackoverflow.com
16:09:18	raptor	yes it is
16:09:47	Watusimoto	so even though I didn't see too many java jobs, I think it's a marketable skill
16:09:54	raptor	but since oracle has bought java, i think it has stagnated a bit and C# has taken a lead in some newer technology implementations
16:10:01	raptor	but it's not as cross-platform
16:10:08	Watusimoto	that's the downside
16:10:13	Watusimoto	I like cross platform
16:10:28	Watusimoto	but that's more philosophical
16:10:50	Watusimoto	if the clients all are using windows, why spend time engineering for linux desktops?
16:11:08	raptor	too true
16:11:25	Watusimoto	It all comes down to setting your goals correctly
16:11:36	Watusimoto	but... servers on windows
16:11:41	raptor	i just have one request - please don't insert c# into bitfighter :)
16:11:48	Watusimoto	thank goodness I'm not in a devops position
16:11:56	Watusimoto	I'll try to resist
16:12:19	Watusimoto	bitfighter is my sactuary
16:12:20	raptor	if you think servers on windows is bad... try debugging servers on windows
16:12:28	Watusimoto	yeah. that.\
16:12:45	Watusimoto	though visual studio is pretty good
16:12:49	Watusimoto	I assume that's what they use
16:12:56	raptor	maybe you'll get the ultimate version
16:13:03	Watusimoto	maybe I can get access to some of the nicer refactoring plugins
16:13:12	raptor	and can refa.... yes
16:13:37	Watusimoto	though I've gotten pretty good at making do with the free stuff
16:14:12	Watusimoto	I'll definitely make them buy me a copy of Sublime
16:14:18	raptor	haha
16:14:33	raptor	that'll be your first sneaky operation...
16:14:39	raptor	then they'll all use it!
16:18:06	Watusimoto	yes... it's not open source, but it is cross-platform and non-ms
16:22:14	Watusimoto	and I get a snazzy title: Software Architect
16:22:22	raptor	OOOoooo
16:22:29	Watusimoto	Moving up in the world!
16:22:31	raptor	we had one of those just leave us
16:22:40	raptor	for Symantec
16:22:47	Watusimoto	He'll suffer
16:22:52	raptor	haha
16:23:05	Watusimoto	I wonder if those clowns install Norton on their machines
16:23:12	Watusimoto	or if they are smart enough to avoid it
16:27:44	raptor	in their case it would be eating their own dog poo
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16:43:29	Watusimoto	s/eating/rolling in/
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17:26:11	Watusimoto	One of my few recorded songs from my punk rock days had the lyric "What did you roll in/what did step in/why do you smell like my dog?" Kind of reminds me of symantec :-)
17:26:38	raptor	hahaha
17:27:22	Watusimoto	vivaldi it was not
17:28:54		BFLogBot Commit: a97eeb66df \| Author: watusimoto \| Message: Rename method
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17:28:57		BFLogBot Commit: 097a2946a0 \| Author: watusimoto \| Message: Ooops... fix spelling
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17:29:49	koda	congrats on your new job Watusimoto
17:29:57	Watusimoto	thanks!
17:30:28	Watusimoto	It happened faster than I wanted... I'll be attending a conference next week where I had planned to do some job hunting
17:48:52	Watusimoto	new version of LLVM was released: http://www.llvm.org/docs/ReleaseNotes.html#whatsnew
17:49:47	Watusimoto	looks like the release notes are still WIP
18:21:16	koda	release notes or the compiler itself :p
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18:24:18	raptor	LLVM is our ticket to bitfighter in the browser!
18:25:55	Wolfgange	what is llvm (I might be in the middle of a conv.)
18:26:59	Wolfgange	OK, i see
18:27:00	Wolfgange	http://llvm.org/
18:27:16	Wolfgange	Either way, I have a bug consistently happening
18:27:22	koda	what went with that project?
18:35:49	Wolfgange	A segmentation fault.
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21:05:14	Nothing_Much	llvm?
21:05:19	Nothing_Much	isn't that software rendering?
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22:45:54	Wolfgange	any devs active?
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23:07:19	raptor	freeorion was released!
23:21:17	raptor	let's get this beast packaged..
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23:56:31	Wolfgange	hello?
23:56:36	raptor	hi
23:56:48	Wolfgange	Im runnign into a bug consistently
23:56:53	raptor	oh?
23:56:56	Wolfgange	a segmentation fault
23:56:58	Wolfgange	is it known?
23:57:21	raptor	depends - we introduce segfaults all the time when developing :)
23:57:29	Wolfgange	lol
23:58:22	Wolfgange	whenever finishing a multiplayer game, it crashes and spews out an error starting with segmentation fault 11
23:58:32	raptor	you'll have to provide a little more info: like how to reproduce it and what revision
23:58:39	raptor	ok
23:58:47	Wolfgange	Latest revision as of yesterday
23:58:58	Wolfgange	let me post the error in pastebin
23:59:01	raptor	ok
23:59:53	raptor	if it has the word 'Assert' or 'assertion' in the error, make sure to grab the lines around that, too