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| 00:06:19 | raptor | did anyone notice we passed 10000 commits? |
| 00:06:48 | raptor | that means we'll get to the next magnitude when i'm about 70! |
| 00:09:11 | sam686 | bitfighter.org website seems unusually slow now.. |
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| 00:14:11 | raptor | night! |
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| 00:25:00 | sam686 | massive packet drops on bitfighter.org for me, and i have started graphing that ping and loss http://sam6.25u.com/cgi-bin/smokeping.cgi?target=Local.bitfighter_org |
| 00:27:13 | sam686 | and of course its probably not my internet since only bitfighter.org have slowdowns on me.. |
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| 13:15:14 | raptor | good morning! |
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| 17:33:49 | watusimoto | Good day~! |
| 17:34:06 | raptor | hello |
| 17:34:21 | raptor | I have bfup fully integrated on win32 and win64 now |
| 17:34:46 | raptor | also, will a little research, I think I can get it to auto-build the NSIS package and maybe a Win64 MSI |
| 17:35:21 | raptor | apparently CMake is just as versatile with building packages as it is with creating build system files |
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| 18:28:18 | watusimoto | good job on bfup. |
| 18:28:32 | watusimoto | I'm really glad we switched to cmake. |
| 18:28:46 | watusimoto | I would have voted no (did I vote no?) and I would have been wrong. |
| 18:29:18 | raptor | i think you did... but then kaen rolled it out anyways, and I did touch up work :) |
| 18:29:27 | raptor | we conspired |
| 18:29:28 | watusimoto | Luckily, I have good advisors, and I trust them |
| 18:30:11 | raptor | i wonder it the notifier would run on win64... |
| 18:30:18 | watusimoto | why not? |
| 18:30:27 | raptor | err... i mean natively |
| 18:30:27 | watusimoto | It's compiled python, right? |
| 18:30:52 | raptor | it uses some old module called pywin32... which uses the earliest win32 C API |
| 18:31:55 | raptor | oh wait - pywin32 just released a 64bit version in May... |
| 18:32:14 | watusimoto | is it still pywin32? |
| 18:32:17 | watusimoto | :-) |
| 18:32:23 | raptor | good question... |
| 18:32:43 | watusimoto | I keep thinking we should switch our project hosting to github, to get more visibility |
| 18:32:49 | watusimoto | the only problem is... git |
| 18:32:57 | raptor | they hadn't released in over two years previously... |
| 18:33:00 | raptor | oh |
| 18:33:02 | raptor | actually... |
| 18:33:05 | raptor | hee hee |
| 18:33:17 | raptor | hg-git is mature enough to be usable now :) at least on linux |
| 18:33:29 | raptor | so I can still use hg with github |
| 18:33:30 | sam686 | on windows 64 bit, it can get confusing, ms left it calling it system32, opengl32.dll for a 64 bit binary |
| 18:34:29 | sam686 | on visual C++, win32 is still pre-defined even for 64 bit builds |
| 18:34:39 | raptor | hi sam686 |
| 18:34:56 | watusimoto | hi sam686 |
| 18:35:18 | raptor | well... i'm a little more open to github now that i can use hg-git |
| 18:35:36 | raptor | and yes, we'd probably get much better visibility |
| 18:36:10 | raptor | we could even create a group or team called 'bitfighter' |
| 18:37:10 | raptor | i guess they're called 'organization' |
| 18:40:38 | sam686 | i tried hghub.com only to find it redirect to hg-git plugin |
| 18:40:54 | raptor | haha |
| 18:41:28 | raptor | i liken github to conversion-by-the-sword |
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| 18:49:26 | sam686 | https://code.google.com/p/support/wiki/DVCSAnalysis i don't know which is better, git or hg? |
| 18:49:55 | sam686 | it does say hg have more efficient push/pull |
| 18:50:10 | raptor | but git has religious fervor! |
| 18:51:03 | raptor | i think git maintains code slightly more compactly... if that's ever an issue |
| 18:51:45 | raptor | mostly i dislike the learning curve of git and don't htink it's very friendly... but github masks a lot of that |
| 18:53:48 | sam686 | besides hg-git, windows support of git might not be that good |
| 18:54:10 | raptor | it's easier now, i think with this: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCAQFjAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwindows.github.com%2F&ei=hpJFVPv1HYq68QGYgYGoAQ&usg=AFQjCNFVpMBC6psguWN34brDfCZU5RXLOg&bvm=bv.77880786,d.b2U |
| 18:54:12 | raptor | oops |
| 18:54:18 | raptor | this: https://windows.github.com/ |
| 18:54:36 | raptor | but the 'visibility' thing is hard to beat from github |
| 18:54:54 | sam686 | hg-git also don't always work, i once tried to clone linux kernel using hg-git, it takes hours only for it to crash in the middle.. |
| 18:55:02 | raptor | ha |
| 18:55:07 | raptor | i bet the kernel is HUGE |
| 18:57:40 | sam686 | well, maybe early git windows support was lacking back then when deciding hg or git for bitfighter |
| 18:57:52 | raptor | yes |
| 18:58:31 | raptor | although i don't how well that client works |
| 18:58:37 | raptor | but it looks shiny |
| 19:02:36 | fordcars | It is |
| 19:03:17 | fordcars | I like git, from a noob point of view: You can just use the gui to sync with the server, commit etc fairly easily |
| 19:03:34 | fordcars | Anywho, food! |
| 19:04:59 | raptor | here's an interesting take on switching to github by one of the main SDL developers. The relevant stuff is in the second half of the e-mail: http://lists.libsdl.org/pipermail/sdl-libsdl.org/2014-July/095543.html |
| 19:05:10 | raptor | but SDL is already extremely popular |
| 19:10:55 | watusimoto | I like mercurial much more than git... git seems to get painful, especially when dealing with anal project maintainers who want to see no history |
| 19:11:15 | raptor | haha, so true |
| 19:11:26 | raptor | well what about maintaining a mirror? |
| 19:11:47 | watusimoto | which would be the master repo? |
| 19:11:50 | raptor | i wonder if there is some way to seamless maintain github pull requests into our hg repo |
| 19:12:09 | raptor | i assumed google code, but it doesn't have to be... |
| 19:12:21 | watusimoto | what we really want is some sort of syncing, if we wanted to accept github pull requests |
| 19:12:23 | raptor | OR we could go the SDL route and roll our own repo! |
| 19:12:39 | watusimoto | that's EXACTLY what we need to do |
| 19:12:55 | raptor | whcih is sort of the in the opposite direction of github... |
| 19:12:56 | watusimoto | we could even create our own version control protocol |
| 19:13:01 | watusimoto | "bif" |
| 19:13:26 | sam686 | oh i almost forgot about my mirrors of bitfighter hg repo http://sam6.25u.com/hg |
| 19:14:03 | raptor | i found out the other day that openbsd still uses CVS |
| 19:14:49 | raptor | oh! and we just found a team in our company that has been using Microsoft Visual Source Safe |
| 19:19:39 | raptor | looks like github can sync to google code git repos |
| 19:20:36 | watusimoto | VSS! We are using SVN, which feels so clunky... I can't make local commits! |
| 19:20:52 | raptor | yeah... we're still on SVN, too |
| 19:20:57 | raptor | we have merge issues all the time |
| 19:28:00 | raptor | I can set up a 'bitfighter' organization while we think about it... |
| 19:30:24 | watusimoto | sure! |
| 19:33:24 | raptor | oh wonderful: https://github.com/bitfighter |
| 19:33:30 | raptor | someone already took it |
| 19:35:57 | watusimoto | why would they pick bitfighter?? |
| 19:36:11 | watusimoto | they aren't using it much |
| 19:37:10 | raptor | I will get their e-mail... |
| 19:40:41 | raptor | ugh, their e-mail is: bitfighter@github.com |
| 19:40:51 | raptor | i will attempt a message later tonight, I think |
| 19:40:57 | raptor | heading home! |
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| 19:57:55 | sam686 | it looks more like it goes by github.com / username / project |
| 19:58:29 | sam686 | https://github.com/raptor shows some project under 'raptor' name |
| 19:59:04 | watusimoto | actually, perhaps you are right... we might be able to have our own bitfighter project with a different owner name. |
| 19:59:31 | watusimoto | probably should be eykamp/bitfighter, but we could each have our own version. viva la chaos |
| 20:05:57 | sam686 | it looks like i have already joined https://github.com/sam8641 ... doing nothing as of yet... i even don't remember putting my real name there. |
| 20:06:34 | sam686 | and yes i am able to sign in to that login |
| 20:18:46 | sam686 | bitfighter.org starts getting some lag spikes again http://sam6.25u.com/cgi-bin/smokeping.cgi?target=Local.bitfighter_org |
| 20:19:46 | fordcars | Maybe the username could be "The Bitfighter Project" or "BitighterCo"? |
| 20:23:16 | sam686 | oh its not bitfighter.org this time the problem is my internet http://sam6.25u.com/cgi-bin/smokeping.cgi?target=Local.midco_24_220_7_58 |
| 20:23:18 | sam686 | well thats fun, its almost like I have almost no internet connection |
| 20:26:33 | watusimoto | starting is slower, which I expect (there's more going on at startup now), but I need to figure out how to make it faster. One thing its doing is calcing the bot zones for every level; those can and should be cached, which will help a lot |
| 20:26:55 | watusimoto | it is calcing the bot zones in order to categorize levels into small/med/big in order to give players more ways to pick levels |
| 20:27:43 | watusimoto | my main focus to date has been to get my massive refactor done and stable and working, and I feel like I am almost there |
| 20:28:02 | watusimoto | everything seems to be working, but I haven't tested scripting yet |
| 20:28:16 | watusimoto | and I have a list of issues somewhere I need to re-review |
| 20:29:03 | sam686 | some levelgens could add barriers which might make pre-calculating bot zone not very effective |
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| 20:54:08 | sam686 | everytime i get connection problem, my neightbors also get connection problem |
| 20:54:43 | sam686 | i mean not everytime but most of the time |
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| 23:52:20 | sam686 | github goes by github.com / username / project, i don't think it does github.com / project |
| 23:52:30 | raptor | hi |
| 23:52:39 | raptor | i checked on that - it does with 'organizations' |
| 23:52:51 | raptor | oh no wait |
| 23:53:01 | raptor | an organization is like a username - but with multiple owners |
| 23:53:17 | raptor | so github.com / org. / project |
| 23:53:19 | raptor | so we'd be: bitfighter / bitfighter |
| 23:53:24 | raptor | and bitfighter / pleiades |