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IRC Log for 2014-10-19

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00:03:10 raptor i need to sleep
00:03:12 raptor night!
00:04:34 sam686 ok
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07:35:28 BFLogBot Commit: f069d7e4f7 | Author: sam8641 | Message: incomplete changes of "host on server"
07:35:29 BFLogBot Commit: cca14da562 | Author: sam8641 | Message: Fixed compile errors and convert tabs into 3 spaces
07:35:31 BFLogBot Commit: aab4e09d10 | Author: sam8641 | Message: Mostly done, some testing of "Host of Dedicated" needed
07:35:32 BFLogBot Commit: b80d0f7114 | Author: sam8641 | Message: Fixed most remaining problems with "host on server" feature.
07:35:34 BFLogBot Commit: 3591eb890e | Author: sam8641 | Message: Merge
07:35:35 BFLogBot Commit: 9827b8226f | Author: sam8641 | Message: allows -hostondedicated without -dedicated; Disable ini saving in host mode; fixed blank level host on server; fixed 019c compatibility
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15:57:28 BFLogBot Commit: 72fc1c6f21 | Author: sam8641 | Message: Fixed compiling master
16:16:32 BFLogBot Commit: 42b7846944 | Author: sam8641 | Message: These events should really be moved into onConnectionEstablished, to fix RPC count too high errors
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16:38:06 raptor good day!
16:39:59 fordcars Howdy!
16:41:20 raptor hi
16:41:35 raptor whoa sam686.  what is 'host on server' 'host in dedicated' etc.??
16:41:50 raptor these changes look a bit too dramatic for 019d
16:42:07 fordcars Oh that is from that forum post I think
16:42:21 fordcars Host on Server = Host on another machine
16:42:37 raptor that still doesn't make sense to me..
16:42:42 fordcars Like, I could "host" on another server, for example Sam Test, with my settings and my levels
16:42:56 fordcars Amgine's idea
16:43:07 raptor can you point me to the post?  I'm still not following  :/
16:43:11 fordcars Sure
16:43:59 fordcars A "Host on server" could be added so you host from a server instead of from your computer, and it uses your maps and some host settings into the server.
16:44:04 fordcars http://bitfighter.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2458
16:44:20 fordcars Sam's idea actually
16:44:51 fordcars It's a good idea I believe, but I think its should only be available in the .ini for "advanced hosters"
16:45:07 sam686 apparantly i found 1 more bug,   -hostondedicated don't work on empty level dir, yet..
16:45:13 fordcars To allow people to host on their servers
16:45:24 raptor sam686: I think this should be added to main trunk instead of 019d
16:46:21 raptor it looks like a dramatic network change, and i was hoping to keep 019d (mostly) just bugfixes
16:47:20 sam686 i kept it compatible to exiting 019c
16:47:30 sam686 existing
16:47:44 raptor yes, i saw that - but it seems...  risky
16:47:48 raptor although
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16:48:06 raptor maybe I need to understand exactly what you did.  could you explain this new feature a little better?
16:48:24 sam686 i added checks that prevents existing 019c from joining empty host-on-server
16:49:32 sam686 it adds a new -hostondedicated   although maybe it could be named better?
16:49:43 sam686 and host menu adds a "Host on serveR"
16:49:43 raptor yes, what does this feature actually do?
16:49:54 sam686 it uses your maps on dedicated server
16:50:02 sam686 like your playlist maps
16:50:21 sam686 and you have admin controls too,
16:50:22 raptor ok, does it upload your levels to a server?
16:50:27 sam686 can even set a password too
16:50:43 sam686 yes, basically an automatic upload-on-demand
16:51:14 raptor does it take full control of the remote server?  or does it launch another instance somehow?
16:51:53 sam686 pretty much yes, take most controls of server of maps, passwords, and even server name
16:52:08 raptor but the remote server needs to allow it, correct?
16:52:20 sam686 yes
16:52:27 sam686 allowed if started with -hostondedicated
16:53:32 sam686 when the host leaves, server basically goes to a shutdown at the end of current level, but through a fake shutdown system that looks like it delist from main server list
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16:56:30 raptor so tell me what the use case is for this feature
16:58:04 sam686 mostly when some players is behind a firewall or a slow/laggy connection.
16:58:53 sam686 its for hosting maps, but why host locally if your connection is laggy?
17:01:32 raptor ok
17:02:36 raptor so if I wanted to host a special server like this on bitfighter.org to allow sky_lark to run events on it, what would I have to tell sky_lark to get access?
17:02:44 raptor is there a separate password to grab access?
17:02:50 raptor does he need to know the IP/port?
17:03:13 sam686 nothing, just 019d is needed to see "Host on server" in host menu
17:03:41 sam686 once started hosting on server, it uses your maps and then existing 019d/c/b can connect through main server list
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17:05:49 sam686 this makes it far easier for temperory server parties like friday night to be hosted by anyone using the host's maps
17:05:57 raptor ok, that's pretty neat
17:06:10 raptor i'm still a little worried about it adding bugs to 019d
17:06:15 raptor let me compile the tests
17:07:39 sam686 Most of it is added RPC commands, I think im pretty sure i didn't add any additional bugs other then what is related to "Host on server"
17:08:41 raptor what's the randomLevels boolean added to a gameconnection RPC for?
17:09:24 sam686 its just a config option
17:09:44 sam686 i didn't want it to unexpectedly go random levels to people hosting it
17:10:33 raptor maybe it should be called 'Remote Host' or 'Remote Control'
17:11:41 sam686 eventually we will come up with better names and rename them..
17:13:21 raptor we should get Watusimoto's opinion of this feature...
17:17:51 sam686 it all started from http://bitfighter.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2458
17:17:52 raptor sometimes a server shows up as blank when selecting HOST on Server
17:18:35 raptor i think i crashed one of your SAM TEST servers through HoS
17:18:45 raptor the other lost it's server name
17:19:29 sam686 server losing server name is because i didn't know what name it should be called after others renamed it
17:22:51 raptor maybe name it to OPEN FOR BUSINESS
17:22:57 raptor OPEN FOR HOSTING
17:25:02 sam686 i see what the problem is, mostly results on a blank level list ServerGame::updateStatusOnMaster() which didn't happen when i tested without master
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18:27:22 raptor maybe a good name is STEAL SERVER
18:27:42 raptor and -allowstealableserver
18:30:01 BFLogBot Commit: 441405ba01 | Author: sam8641 | Message: Fixed some crash related to both "Host on server" and connecting to master
18:31:40 sam686 master don't really need updating for one tiny "Parent::onConnectionEstablished();" change as it kindof does nothing for master side
18:38:04 sam686 it looks like it doesn't use the host's robot files, thats for another day to think about..
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19:38:43 raptor I think I'm going to standardize on a 'platform' parameter to send to getDownloadUrl.php
19:48:13 BFLogBot Commit: c8f83c0525 | Author: sam8641 | Message: Servers in "Host on server" now remembers original server name, description, and connect password
19:50:30 sam686 i need to fix client side "Server name" keeps renaming to "ROBOTS" on host menu re-enter just because of the added menu
19:58:52 raptor i think ther eis an enum that needs to be aligned
20:03:49 sam686 i think i have to add a variable, because I made that menu only shows up if connected to master
20:04:38 raptor maybe put it at the end
20:04:52 raptor near Play Recorded games
20:05:02 raptor because it will probably be used a lot less often
20:06:10 sam686 2 options,  add mOffsetMenu, or put the "Host on server" near the bottom
20:08:56 raptor i like it near the bottom...  less complexity  :)
20:09:12 raptor or maybe we should remove that ENUM completely?
20:11:14 BFLogBot Commit: afe8431ca2 | Author: sam8641 | Message: Fix incorrect saving of host menu variable, move "HOST ON SERVER" near bottom
20:11:24 sam686 we could think about that enum another day i guess...
20:12:00 raptor i think we have several UI menus that are dependent on an enum like that...  which seems easy to break
20:12:56 sam686 i think the biggest problem is not using those enum in setupMenus which makes it easy to break
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20:46:39 BFLogBot Commit: 3c5e2d1f7b | Author: sam8641 | Message: Changes from rev aa08524ed2e4 works fine and is backwards compatibile to older 019
20:52:05 raptor sam686: what were those last changes for?
20:52:45 raptor yeah..  i don't understand the commit message
20:52:50 raptor with the duplicate servers
20:52:56 raptor is that the master server list?
20:53:14 sam686 if you read rev aa08524ed2e4 you might know better
20:53:51 sam686 and my turtoiseHG automatically makes it a clickable rev number that takes it straight to that revision
20:54:24 raptor i did read it..
20:54:49 raptor but i don't fully understand what it is doing from the message and code
20:55:09 sam686 i think its something to do with server being listed 2 times in 2 different addresses brining it down to 1 listed
20:55:19 sam686 in the server list
20:55:22 raptor ok, that's what I guessed...  thanks
20:56:15 sam686 duplicate server being listed in different addresses is as a result from using AlwaysPingList
20:57:29 sam686 AlwaysPingList=IP:127.0.0.1:28000,IP:127.0.0.2:28000,IP:127.0.0.3:28000,IP:127.0.0.4:28000,IP:127.0.0.5:28000 and you might see the same server listed so many times
20:58:16 sam686 by the way addresses of 127.*.*.* all points to local computer
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23:07:08 raptor IT WORKS MUAHAHHA
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00:03:10	raptor	i need to sleep
00:03:12	raptor	night!
00:04:34	sam686	ok
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07:35:28		BFLogBot Commit: f069d7e4f7 \| Author: sam8641 \| Message: incomplete changes of "host on server"
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07:35:31		BFLogBot Commit: aab4e09d10 \| Author: sam8641 \| Message: Mostly done, some testing of "Host of Dedicated" needed
07:35:32		BFLogBot Commit: b80d0f7114 \| Author: sam8641 \| Message: Fixed most remaining problems with "host on server" feature.
07:35:34		BFLogBot Commit: 3591eb890e \| Author: sam8641 \| Message: Merge
07:35:35		BFLogBot Commit: 9827b8226f \| Author: sam8641 \| Message: allows -hostondedicated without -dedicated; Disable ini saving in host mode; fixed blank level host on server; fixed 019c compatibility
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16:38:06	raptor	good day!
16:39:59	fordcars	Howdy!
16:41:20	raptor	hi
16:41:35	raptor	whoa sam686. what is 'host on server' 'host in dedicated' etc.??
16:41:50	raptor	these changes look a bit too dramatic for 019d
16:42:07	fordcars	Oh that is from that forum post I think
16:42:21	fordcars	Host on Server = Host on another machine
16:42:37	raptor	that still doesn't make sense to me..
16:42:42	fordcars	Like, I could "host" on another server, for example Sam Test, with my settings and my levels
16:42:56	fordcars	Amgine's idea
16:43:07	raptor	can you point me to the post? I'm still not following :/
16:43:11	fordcars	Sure
16:43:59	fordcars	A "Host on server" could be added so you host from a server instead of from your computer, and it uses your maps and some host settings into the server.
16:44:04	fordcars	http://bitfighter.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2458
16:44:20	fordcars	Sam's idea actually
16:44:51	fordcars	It's a good idea I believe, but I think its should only be available in the .ini for "advanced hosters"
16:45:07	sam686	apparantly i found 1 more bug, -hostondedicated don't work on empty level dir, yet..
16:45:13	fordcars	To allow people to host on their servers
16:45:24	raptor	sam686: I think this should be added to main trunk instead of 019d
16:46:21	raptor	it looks like a dramatic network change, and i was hoping to keep 019d (mostly) just bugfixes
16:47:20	sam686	i kept it compatible to exiting 019c
16:47:30	sam686	existing
16:47:44	raptor	yes, i saw that - but it seems... risky
16:47:48	raptor	although
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16:48:06	raptor	maybe I need to understand exactly what you did. could you explain this new feature a little better?
16:48:24	sam686	i added checks that prevents existing 019c from joining empty host-on-server
16:49:32	sam686	it adds a new -hostondedicated although maybe it could be named better?
16:49:43	sam686	and host menu adds a "Host on serveR"
16:49:43	raptor	yes, what does this feature actually do?
16:49:54	sam686	it uses your maps on dedicated server
16:50:02	sam686	like your playlist maps
16:50:21	sam686	and you have admin controls too,
16:50:22	raptor	ok, does it upload your levels to a server?
16:50:27	sam686	can even set a password too
16:50:43	sam686	yes, basically an automatic upload-on-demand
16:51:14	raptor	does it take full control of the remote server? or does it launch another instance somehow?
16:51:53	sam686	pretty much yes, take most controls of server of maps, passwords, and even server name
16:52:08	raptor	but the remote server needs to allow it, correct?
16:52:20	sam686	yes
16:52:27	sam686	allowed if started with -hostondedicated
16:53:32	sam686	when the host leaves, server basically goes to a shutdown at the end of current level, but through a fake shutdown system that looks like it delist from main server list
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16:56:30	raptor	so tell me what the use case is for this feature
16:58:04	sam686	mostly when some players is behind a firewall or a slow/laggy connection.
16:58:53	sam686	its for hosting maps, but why host locally if your connection is laggy?
17:01:32	raptor	ok
17:02:36	raptor	so if I wanted to host a special server like this on bitfighter.org to allow sky_lark to run events on it, what would I have to tell sky_lark to get access?
17:02:44	raptor	is there a separate password to grab access?
17:02:50	raptor	does he need to know the IP/port?
17:03:13	sam686	nothing, just 019d is needed to see "Host on server" in host menu
17:03:41	sam686	once started hosting on server, it uses your maps and then existing 019d/c/b can connect through main server list
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17:05:49	sam686	this makes it far easier for temperory server parties like friday night to be hosted by anyone using the host's maps
17:05:57	raptor	ok, that's pretty neat
17:06:10	raptor	i'm still a little worried about it adding bugs to 019d
17:06:15	raptor	let me compile the tests
17:07:39	sam686	Most of it is added RPC commands, I think im pretty sure i didn't add any additional bugs other then what is related to "Host on server"
17:08:41	raptor	what's the randomLevels boolean added to a gameconnection RPC for?
17:09:24	sam686	its just a config option
17:09:44	sam686	i didn't want it to unexpectedly go random levels to people hosting it
17:10:33	raptor	maybe it should be called 'Remote Host' or 'Remote Control'
17:11:41	sam686	eventually we will come up with better names and rename them..
17:13:21	raptor	we should get Watusimoto's opinion of this feature...
17:17:51	sam686	it all started from http://bitfighter.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2458
17:17:52	raptor	sometimes a server shows up as blank when selecting HOST on Server
17:18:35	raptor	i think i crashed one of your SAM TEST servers through HoS
17:18:45	raptor	the other lost it's server name
17:19:29	sam686	server losing server name is because i didn't know what name it should be called after others renamed it
17:22:51	raptor	maybe name it to OPEN FOR BUSINESS
17:22:57	raptor	OPEN FOR HOSTING
17:25:02	sam686	i see what the problem is, mostly results on a blank level list ServerGame::updateStatusOnMaster() which didn't happen when i tested without master
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18:27:22	raptor	maybe a good name is STEAL SERVER
18:27:42	raptor	and -allowstealableserver
18:30:01		BFLogBot Commit: 441405ba01 \| Author: sam8641 \| Message: Fixed some crash related to both "Host on server" and connecting to master
18:31:40	sam686	master don't really need updating for one tiny "Parent::onConnectionEstablished();" change as it kindof does nothing for master side
18:38:04	sam686	it looks like it doesn't use the host's robot files, thats for another day to think about..
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19:38:43	raptor	I think I'm going to standardize on a 'platform' parameter to send to getDownloadUrl.php
19:48:13		BFLogBot Commit: c8f83c0525 \| Author: sam8641 \| Message: Servers in "Host on server" now remembers original server name, description, and connect password
19:50:30	sam686	i need to fix client side "Server name" keeps renaming to "ROBOTS" on host menu re-enter just because of the added menu
19:58:52	raptor	i think ther eis an enum that needs to be aligned
20:03:49	sam686	i think i have to add a variable, because I made that menu only shows up if connected to master
20:04:38	raptor	maybe put it at the end
20:04:52	raptor	near Play Recorded games
20:05:02	raptor	because it will probably be used a lot less often
20:06:10	sam686	2 options, add mOffsetMenu, or put the "Host on server" near the bottom
20:08:56	raptor	i like it near the bottom... less complexity :)
20:09:12	raptor	or maybe we should remove that ENUM completely?
20:11:14		BFLogBot Commit: afe8431ca2 \| Author: sam8641 \| Message: Fix incorrect saving of host menu variable, move "HOST ON SERVER" near bottom
20:11:24	sam686	we could think about that enum another day i guess...
20:12:00	raptor	i think we have several UI menus that are dependent on an enum like that... which seems easy to break
20:12:56	sam686	i think the biggest problem is not using those enum in setupMenus which makes it easy to break
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20:46:39		BFLogBot Commit: 3c5e2d1f7b \| Author: sam8641 \| Message: Changes from rev aa08524ed2e4 works fine and is backwards compatibile to older 019
20:52:05	raptor	sam686: what were those last changes for?
20:52:45	raptor	yeah.. i don't understand the commit message
20:52:50	raptor	with the duplicate servers
20:52:56	raptor	is that the master server list?
20:53:14	sam686	if you read rev aa08524ed2e4 you might know better
20:53:51	sam686	and my turtoiseHG automatically makes it a clickable rev number that takes it straight to that revision
20:54:24	raptor	i did read it..
20:54:49	raptor	but i don't fully understand what it is doing from the message and code
20:55:09	sam686	i think its something to do with server being listed 2 times in 2 different addresses brining it down to 1 listed
20:55:19	sam686	in the server list
20:55:22	raptor	ok, that's what I guessed... thanks
20:56:15	sam686	duplicate server being listed in different addresses is as a result from using AlwaysPingList
20:57:29	sam686	AlwaysPingList=IP:127.0.0.1:28000,IP:127.0.0.2:28000,IP:127.0.0.3:28000,IP:127.0.0.4:28000,IP:127.0.0.5:28000 and you might see the same server listed so many times
20:58:16	sam686	by the way addresses of 127...* all points to local computer
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23:07:08	raptor	IT WORKS MUAHAHHA
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23:23:19	raptor	GPL 3 is like a virus
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