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IRC Log for 2014-12-20

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00:09:07sam686i may be going to sleep, later..


00:09:18raptoroh..


00:09:24raptori got distracted (a kid woke up)


00:09:26raptorthanks!


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00:18:53raptorJeffMB: thanks for getting some MB players to come to the party.  Please let us know if you guys put on a similar network event and I'll advertise it in our forums


00:22:59fordcarsCommercial agreements rock!


00:23:54raptorhaha


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00:26:59raptorwow what a good party tonight


00:41:44Watusimotothere were 12 on most of the time I was there


00:41:53Watusimotomy rig at work sucks seriously for playing though


00:42:02raptorjpe dpz


00:42:06raptoroops - how so?


00:42:27WatusimotoI can't go full screen, and I have two monitors so my cursor is always going out of the window and bringing another tot he fore


00:42:44raptorcan't go fullscreen?


00:43:35WatusimotoI don't know why -- it cut off the bottom of the window


00:43:58Watusimotoit may be because I changed monitor settings in mid-game to disable one of my monitors


00:44:11WatusimotoI'd need more evidence before I said it was a bug


00:44:31Watusimotobut it would be very nice if, when in full screen, we limited the cursor to the game window


00:44:40Watusimotoif that's possible


00:44:44Watusimotoprobably not


00:44:51raptorI thought that's part of the design of fullscreen...


00:45:39raptordid you maximize instead?


00:45:57Watusimotowith two monitors, full screen only fills one


00:46:07Watusimotoand the cursor can still escape to the other


00:46:14raptorha!  no way...


00:46:23raptorthat's gotta be some missing flag in SDL


00:46:29Watusimotoor something


00:46:37Watusimotobut you don;t want it going on two monitors


00:46:42Watusimotothat would stink


00:46:56Watusimotomy larger work monitor is really too big to play on anyway


00:47:02raptormaybe that's an issue with 'full screen' and 'full screen desktop' (fake full screen)


00:47:13raptorit would have really crisp lines!


00:49:11Watusimotonot sure.  I don't have a good way to test it at the moment


00:49:30Watusimotobut I suspect it's a problem only for a small number of people


00:49:44Watusimotothere were some new faces tonight


00:50:31raptoryes, they all came from marble blast


00:50:58raptori think 2 of them even registered


00:54:15raptorso i'm replacing the word 'kill' in an UI elements or game messages with either 'blast' or 'zap' or 'destroy'.  But I find I can't bring myself to change the one that says: "<player> killed the rabbit!"


00:54:45raptorbecause...  you know...  ride of the valkyries


01:01:11Watusimotoha


01:01:26Watusimoto<player> killed da wabbit


01:01:33Watusimotoda wascally wabbit


01:01:35raptorTHAT's IT


01:01:41raptormay I change it to that?


01:01:44raptor:)


01:01:51WatusimotoI know my wagner :-)


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01:02:18Watusimotowhat would be better than a static message (blast/zap/destroy) would be a random or rotating one


01:02:38raptoryes


01:02:43raptorthat's a great idea


01:02:47raptorless robotic


01:04:01raptorbut, uhh...  not for 019d


01:04:05raptorback in a bit...


01:06:47fordcarsWatusimoto: maybe a messages.conf where the server would get all the messages?


01:07:10Watusimotothe messages are often generated by the clients


01:07:49fordcarsOk :)


01:07:49Watusimotowe'd really need to look at things on a case-by-case basis and see if we can generalize any patterns from there


01:08:19Watusimotothough I understand what you want; though do you really want people customizing the messages?  :-)


01:10:32fordcarsHaha maybe not :P


01:10:45fordcarsAnyway, off to bed!


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01:44:08JeffMBraptor:  will let you guys know if we have an event. we usually announce within a weeks time for our big events.  It was a good party tonight, minus my nets cutting out in between :P


01:45:11JeffMBso far I picked up 3 mb players, I expect more to come over eventually


01:58:03Watusimotogreat!


01:58:14Watusimotoit was fun playing with you


01:58:39Watusimotowe need to host our events on a more reliable server


01:59:29Watusimotoraptor: I want to merge, but am unsure which is the 020 branch


02:00:14Watusimotoam guessing based on some evidence


02:00:32Watusimotoand am committing for verification!


02:00:41BFLogBot_ Commit: 0c3fd4353e | Author: watusimoto | Message: Kill EditorAttributeMenuItemBuilder class (well, almost killed), fix crash in editor when editing attributes of gofasts, other misc. cleanup/refactor.  Still need to do a minor code reorg around these latest changes.


02:00:42BFLogBot_ Commit: 2c4b473e2f | Author: watusimoto | Message: Remove now defunct class


02:00:44BFLogBot_ Commit: 361c195bac | Author: watusimoto | Message: Fix crashes, refactor to put object methods back in object classes.  Reduces code length and complexity.


02:00:45BFLogBot_ Commit: fa7fcdbc9b | Author: watusimoto | Message: Merge


02:02:57raptorhi Watusimoto


02:03:02raptorlet me pull and verify


02:03:16WatusimotoI think I got the right one


02:03:23Watusimotono conflicts, in any event


02:03:48raptoryes, you did


02:04:09raptori wish my bookmarks would post to google code - they still haven't responded to my issue


02:06:00Watusimotoyes, it's annoying


02:09:45BFLogBot_ Commit: fe7ba323df | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Raging Rabid Rabbit badge slightly harder to achieve - requires 9 kills in a row


02:09:47BFLogBot_ Commit: ce7530b26c | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Reduce the strong language (substitute 'kill' for 'zap' or 'blast') in user facing strings


02:11:59WatusimotoI'm not sure "kill" in this context could really be considered 'strong'


02:12:19Watusimoto(though I agree with the change)


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03:13:39Nothing_MuchI think Warsow is a FOSS game under the GPL


03:13:45Nothing_MuchWhich is on Steam


03:16:57BFLogBot_ Commit: 499e14149c | Author: watusimoto | Message: Fix editor crash when dragging item from the dock then back on the dock


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15:18:13JeffMBI am so pissed at messing with compiliers


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15:44:00raptorgood day!


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15:53:12amgine123hello


15:53:47fordcarsEy


15:54:38fordcarsraptor: quick question: can I upload levels to Pleiades from the Web browser?


15:55:47fordcarsSorry, level strings


15:55:53fordcarsText only


15:56:49sam686i think you can, but the picture will be nothing unless you provide the screenshot


15:58:52raptoryes, i think


15:59:30raptorsorry, i'm slow to respond...  i got caught up playing 'master of orion'


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16:06:22fordcarsThanks :P


16:06:29fordcarsIt's ok Raptor :P


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16:49:23raptorok, i have two items for 019d


16:49:31raptorHiGuy reported:  segfault osx:  Zap::ServerGame::getCategorizedPlayerCountsByTeam() const


16:52:21raptorJeffMB: HiGuy gave a partial stacktrace, is there any way you could tell him to get me the full thing?


17:00:19raptorthe other issue:  global voice chat.  It would break network compatibility if i include both team and global voice


17:00:27raptorso i can only include one or the other


17:01:15raptorthe question is - do i leave it team-only, or switch to global for 019d


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17:06:41fordcarsraptor: I would say global; everybody wants it :) And when the game ends are there are people playing, some people will just pop out of the conversation when the next level starts, because they are in an other team


17:07:13fordcarsMaybe you should ask on forums?


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17:09:22fordcarsLater!


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17:12:30JeffMBk


17:12:52JeffMBthere's going to be a stream tonight


17:12:59JeffMBa christmas singalong by yours truely :/


17:13:14JeffMBim pressured into singing christmas carols and get made fun of, so i said sure w/e why not


17:13:27JeffMBshould be within the hour or two, will post a link on here if anybody wants to laugh


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17:17:41Nothing_Muchraptor: who what


17:17:51Nothing_Muchdo you mean for voice chat?


17:19:13amgine123Why does having global and team chat break teh network ?


17:22:31sam686it might be possible to add a network command, but the main problem is existing 019c server won't know if you want to team chat or global chat


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17:32:41amgine123ah.


17:36:10JeffMBhttp://www.twitch.tv/higuymb


17:36:14JeffMBstarting sometime son


17:36:16JeffMBsoon


17:41:04amgine123hooray!


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19:07:08raptorNothing_Much: yes


19:07:38JeffMBthat was hell


19:07:40JeffMBamgine123:


19:08:01amgine123??


19:08:06amgine123sorry if i was rude


19:08:11amgine123I apologize


19:09:05JeffMBrude? lolol you weren't rude lol


19:09:14JeffMBwe do it for shits and giggles


19:09:33amgine123I feel I was rude calling you chicken for not sining santa baby so im sorry


19:09:44amgine123it would of been epic though XD


19:09:56amgine123jeff i got a crash on MBP


19:10:18JeffMBguys


19:10:23JeffMBwe got some MB Players coming over to play zap now


19:10:29JeffMBum


19:10:43JeffMBcan u send a crash report to marbleblastforums at gmail


19:11:26amgine123i dont think so =p


19:11:53amgine123i was playing the motercross map and suddeny i debug box poped up and started doing stuff then it crashed after I fiddled with it trying toremove it


19:12:49JeffMBsee if u can reproduce it later


19:12:55JeffMBif u can let us know the process


19:13:09amgine123ok will do


19:13:21amgine123jsut so you know i will always offer to be a tester


19:13:39amgine123I do it here as well if oyu have beta builds that need testing ill see if I can find crashes!


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19:14:29HiGuy@raptor: http://cl.ly/402v2e1M2r3h


19:54:06Nothing_Muchwhat is that gibberish?


19:56:41raptorHiGuy: THANKS


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20:01:35Watusimotoraptor: let's leave voice chat as-is for 019d, but revisit for 020


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20:44:31raptorok


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20:45:18raptorJeffMB: in-game i got a notice to update marble blast...  how do I do actually do that?  use that java-based downloader/installer again?


20:46:34JeffMBwhat version of mb, MBP?


20:47:43JeffMBfor MBP, you should always run the game off of the installer, as it will automatically grab the latest stable version. For MBG, that thing is lying and there is no update, rather the creators of the game were plebians


20:49:47raptorha


20:50:01raptori used the JAR to download it, then used WINE to run it on my Linux system


20:52:06JeffMBsorry they won't provide a linux version :(


20:52:21JeffMBI think *eventually* a linux version will exist for MBP


20:52:31Nothing_Muchwhat's mbp?


20:52:32JeffMBwe have someone who's been working on one, but we're having engine issues


20:52:33Nothing_Muchmacbook pro?


20:52:37JeffMBmarble blast platinum


20:52:57Nothing_Muchwebsite?


20:53:05Nothing_Muchoh platnum


20:53:06Nothing_Muchgot it


20:53:06JeffMBwww.marbleblast.com


20:53:08Nothing_Muchi think


20:53:10Nothing_Muchyeahg


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21:10:12raptorWatusimoto: the last thing on my list now is this crash reported by one of the marbleblast guys:  http://pastie.org/pastes/9792250/text


21:11:47Watusimotointeresting


21:12:10Watusimotothis isn't the problem, but balanceTeams probably shouldn't happen during shutdown


21:13:13Watusimotohard to say what was happening... don't even know what kind of error it was


21:13:45Watusimotobut if balanceTeams was off, then the other stuff wouldn't have run, and maybe the error would have not manifested itself


21:14:13Watusimotodo you know if it was reproducible?


21:30:55amgine123I think io found a bug


21:31:33raptorsegfault


21:32:08raptorhappened when about 6 of us were on his 'host game'


21:32:16raptorwell, he shutdown his server


21:32:34raptorwe all quit gracefully, then he said he got a segfault


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21:35:25amgine123is it a bug you can add more bots then the limit with more bots but you cant do .addbots to pass the server limit ?


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21:46:24JeffMBso done with visual studio


21:46:33JeffMBgonna use code::blocks from now on in windows i think.


21:46:53JeffMBi really need to move to mac/linux all together. windows pisses me off more and more each day


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22:00:48Raven67854JeffMB, ^^ Windows!


22:08:58JeffMB:c


22:10:07Raven67854JeffMB, I'm a full time Linux user.. Join the light side! Join us!


22:28:52amgine123Ill neer give in to the light side!


22:29:16Raven67854awww =/


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22:45:54raptorwhat


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22:50:14raptorJeffMB: where is the source code for the MBP launcher?  I want to compile and fix some things for Linux...


22:50:19raptor(if it's open source)


22:50:43raptorI'm looking at the JAR I got from inside teh OSX app


22:56:36raptoror I can just decompile it...


23:03:39JeffMBnot open source


23:04:53JeffMBand im not in charge of the project


23:05:07JeffMBtbh, my main role in the community now is just administrator.  I kinda stepped down from MBP


23:05:15JeffMBand i compile windows builds, thats it


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23:09:57raptorah ok


23:10:12raptorwell, I'm a JEE programmer by trade


23:10:30raptorrunning the JAR on linux has an issue with paths - and I know how to fix


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23:10:45JeffMBthe thing is though, we use custom plugins that are not open source for MBP, and we don't have them under linux.


23:10:52JeffMBso even if you got the jar to work, MBP wouldn't run


23:11:39HiGuylauncher source is currently private'd on github


23:11:52HiGuyI can talk to people about that if you need


23:12:00HiGuyalthough we're redoing a lot of the code


23:12:45raptorso right now, i start the jar and it'll update the MBP windows folder I have, but the JAR crashes when I attempt to launch the game - which makes sense since I'm use WINE


23:12:49raptorhi HiGuy


23:13:06HiGuyalso


23:13:13HiGuyin terms of launching the game


23:13:14HiGuywell


23:13:17raptori normally launch MBP separately with WINE anyways...


23:13:27raptorbut there's a but with path and spaces in it


23:13:33raptor(the launcher)


23:13:37raptor*a bug


23:13:41raptorsorry, can't type..


23:13:53HiGuyhm


23:14:01HiGuywhich is?


23:14:43raptorit creates the directory 'Marble Blast Platinum' but then when attempting to launch it says it cannot find directory 'Marble'


23:14:50HiGuyhm


23:14:50raptorlet me get the exact error


23:14:57HiGuythe windows launch code is really a disaster


23:15:06HiGuy(and ofc JeffMB wrote it)


23:15:29raptorwell that's OK, i am runing the OSX jar on linux, so there's bound to be bugs :)


23:15:37raptor*running


23:15:38HiGuyhm


23:15:44HiGuythe JAR should have both versions


23:15:54raptorit probably does...  and runs the windows bit


23:16:06HiGuyyep


23:16:10HiGuyif (Utils.getOS().startsWith("Mac"))


23:16:12HiGuyelse


23:16:17raptorha!


23:16:21HiGuyso it's probably seeing windows


23:17:18HiGuycan't find directory marble you say


23:17:30raptor'Marble', yes


23:17:34HiGuyhm


23:17:35raptorone moment and I'll get you the trace


23:17:38HiGuyok


23:18:15raptorhttp://pastie.org/pastes/9792326/text


23:18:50raptorjust missing proper escaping somewhere along the way...  i was going to fix it and supply a patch, but i couldn't find the source (and what I decompiled is a bit messy)


23:18:56HiGuyhuh


23:19:13HiGuyif you think your decompiled code is messy...


23:19:18HiGuywell i have news for you


23:19:23raptorhehe


23:19:46HiGuynow let me se


23:19:49HiGuymain:82


23:20:07HiGuy... is a comment


23:20:12raptorhonestly this is probably a crazy edge case given my setup...


23:20:25HiGuycrazy edge case...


23:20:32raptorso i was going to do the work myself


23:20:45HiGuyprobably the runtime.exec


23:20:58HiGuycan you debug it at all?


23:21:04JeffMBdis is why we don't use java


23:21:09HiGuyhush you


23:21:10JeffMB*looks at aayrl*


23:21:16HiGuyjava is a perfectly good language


23:21:18HiGuy... in moderation


23:21:21JeffMBlol


23:21:23raptorif i had the source, oh yes - i get paid to support my family on being able to debug java


23:21:41HiGuyonly source I have is modified somewhat from the jar


23:21:52HiGuyoh wait VC


23:22:00HiGuycoming right up 1 sec


23:22:11raptoroh, i have a github account if you're willing to let me fork


23:22:43HiGuyuh


23:23:20raptoror...  just PM me teh source?  I have an eclipse project ready to go


23:23:29HiGuynope it's 80 on this version too


23:23:31HiGuyuh


23:23:56HiGuythe project is a little nasty


23:24:12raptoryes...  I'm a professional nasty-java-code-maintainer


23:24:16HiGuyheh


23:24:26JeffMBlol


23:24:46raptorI mean seriously - I do JEE for a medium-sized company with 10-15 year old code


23:24:51HiGuylet me make sure not to send anything incriminating


23:24:56JeffMBlol


23:25:10JeffMBsend him your Social security number, bank account info..


23:25:14raptorhah


23:25:45HiGuy0118-999-881-999-119-725...3


23:26:00raptoryay numbers


23:26:25HiGuywhatever happens


23:26:57raptoryou can private message me in IRC, too


23:26:59HiGuyi have no regrets for getPermissions()


23:27:05raptorhah


23:27:12HiGuybecause java sucks at filesystems


23:27:20HiGuyand i'm too cheap to use apache


23:28:20raptoroh wow...  i see getPermissions...  with... unix permission bits??


23:28:26raptor(in my decompiled code)


23:28:31HiGuyheh


23:28:48HiGuyjd practically gives you the source files back


23:29:26raptorit's a little messy - doesn't compile


23:29:34HiGuyyeah


23:29:39HiGuywell apart from constants and some things


23:30:00HiGuyoh and string +


23:30:01JeffMBdon't u love it when dependancies require other dependencies :/


23:30:09HiGuy(booooost)


23:30:14JeffMBlibmng


23:30:17JeffMB*cough*


23:30:23HiGuywow i didn't even strip the local var name


23:30:29HiGuyhahah professionally done


23:30:45raptorif you're really concerned, use proguard


23:30:52HiGuynot really


23:30:55raptori mean, when releasing the JAR


23:30:57HiGuythis isn't the hackable part


23:31:52HiGuystill sad i missed the 1337 days over trial for dropstuff


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23:45:50fordcarsHi


23:46:15HiGuyhey


23:46:28Nothing_Muchhowdy dude


23:47:11raptorhowdy


23:47:35Nothing_Muchdudes*


23:48:45JeffMBhowdy


23:49:02fordcarsHowdy


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