#bitfighter IRC Log

IRC Log for 2014-12-19

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00:00:26 raptor HiGuy: bitfighter is a continuation of the open source Zap! code, before it morphed into the IA Z.A.P stuff
00:00:36 HiGuy Ah, ok
00:00:40 raptor so we didn't get the fancy graphics
00:00:40 HiGuy Makes sense
00:01:00 JeffMB #OpenGLSHADERZZ
00:01:01 raptor but a full-featured editor has been added
00:01:16 JeffMB inb4 higuy gets me involved to make shaders
00:01:52 HiGuy oh wow it's all coming back
00:01:58 HiGuy ... and I died instantly to bots
00:02:11 raptor yes...  beware of s_bot
00:02:21 raptor and uh..  you'll quickly find his quirks
00:03:23 HiGuy bots suck at d wow
00:03:38 HiGuy maybe..
00:03:44 Nothing_Much at d?
00:03:51 Nothing_Much defense?
00:03:55 raptor s_bot is due for a full rewrite
00:03:55 HiGuy they sure aren't playing defense
00:04:12 raptor no, they're aggressive
00:04:28 fordcars You can change that with arguments I think, but don't bother
00:06:15 JeffMB raptor: isn't supporting ppc fun :P
00:06:27 raptor for certain definitions of 'fun', yes :)
00:06:35 JeffMB the thing i have bout ppc is you can't use the Grand Central Dispatch from objective-c as that's 10.6+
00:06:36 raptor in a masochistic sort of way
00:06:59 JeffMB the thing i dislike bout it that is
00:07:08 JeffMB makes threading 1000% harder for nubs like me ;)
00:07:15 raptor actually supporting ppc is easy on linux, but osx...  that's where i might use the word 'fun'
00:07:32 JeffMB oh is it not bad on linux? cuz i may have to look into installing mint ppc on my G4 machine
00:07:45 raptor ppc is quite mature in linux
00:08:01 raptor i run openSUSE.  SUSE has had good PPC for it's server version for a while now
00:08:02 JeffMB I'm not a linux person much, sadly
00:08:08 raptor *PPC support
00:08:12 JeffMB i've been windows forever, finally started getting into OSX
00:08:22 JeffMB and i want to move into linux sometime, but u know, time :p
00:08:46 fordcars Linux is where the cool kids hang out
00:09:18 raptor we keep telling ourselves that so we can pretend it was worth it  :)
00:09:21 Nothing_Much os x is blah
00:09:44 Nothing_Much linuxmasterrace
00:09:50 fordcars Yiss
00:09:57 raptor you guys should get on and play with HiGuy
00:10:09 raptor so he doesn't start hating s_bot too much...
00:10:11 HiGuy it's embarrasing
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00:10:18 Nothing_Much hang on a sec
00:10:43 Nothing_Much raptor: 019c is the latest, right?
00:10:49 raptor yes
00:11:03 Nothing_Much ah ok, I thought 019d was released
00:11:13 Nothing_Much because I want a .deb for 019d pls
00:11:20 Nothing_Much 019c's package isn't on the website :(
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00:44:13 Nothing_Much raptor: did vx fix the "kill" stuff and change it to "zap" or "blast"?
00:44:17 Nothing_Much in the google code thing?
00:53:03 JeffMB raptor: ditch lua and add TorqueScript. hehe, now 100% more slower code
00:56:20 Nothing_Much raptor: did vx fix the "kill" stuff and change it to "zap" or "blast"?
01:03:53 HiGuy well that was certainly an experience
01:04:03 HiGuy ... which ended with a SIGSEGV
01:04:07 HiGuy hahahahah
01:04:16 fordcars Haha reallyÉ
01:04:19 HiGuy yep
01:04:22 fordcars What system?
01:04:24 HiGuy 0   com.yourcompany.Bitfighter    	0x00000001003600df Zap::ServerGame::getCategorizedPlayerCountsByTeam() const + 543
01:04:32 HiGuy OSX 10.10.2
01:04:44 fordcars Eh, you should ask raptor
01:04:59 fordcars Bitfighter's company name is amazing
01:05:03 HiGuy ikr
01:05:32 HiGuy so is this all open source
01:05:38 fordcars Yep
01:05:42 HiGuy damn.
01:05:53 HiGuy > mercurial
01:05:53 HiGuy wow
01:06:16 fordcars hg ftw
01:09:13 HiGuy anyway, thanks for the games all
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01:11:59 Nothing_Much oh my
01:12:15 fordcars Nothing_Much: code
01:12:54 fordcars now :)
01:14:32 Nothing_Much fordcars: asoidfhgaidfsa
01:14:39 fordcars asoidfhgaidfsa
01:34:55 fordcars Night!
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01:42:09 raptor hi
01:42:24 raptor Nothing_Much: i think vx did the fix...  let me see
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01:43:46 raptor huh, looks like no
01:54:23 raptor luajit compiles!
01:54:30 raptor and with that...  good night!
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02:01:50 Nothing_Much oh darn
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11:09:12 JeffMB woohoo finally found a git client that runs on ppc leopard :P
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12:19:21 raptor good day!
12:28:57 JeffMB hello
12:29:23 JeffMB wow that's suprising. libjpg and libmng compiled on ppc w/o requiring me to do something
12:30:24 raptor yeah...  i find the issue is frequently less 'ppc' and more 'osx'
12:31:28 JeffMB aka osx whyy do you haz to objective-c the everythings and requre so many different SDK versions
12:51:21 raptor well...  bitfighter runs on a G4
12:51:32 raptor but the Lua engine crashes the game
12:51:40 raptor sadness
12:51:42 JeffMB :(
12:52:08 JeffMB i guess no PPC for luaJIT :P
12:52:27 JeffMB does regular lua still compile on ppc?
12:52:43 raptor oh yes - but i'm not giving up yet
12:52:55 raptor i haven't exhausted my hackey-hack ideas yet
12:53:04 JeffMB if u get luaJIT to work on ppc u should throw it up on github :
12:53:06 JeffMB :)
12:55:51 raptor I already posted a patch to the mailing list - it actually *does* work if you use the compiled 'luajit' executable
12:56:06 raptor but when linking it into the game, it crashes...  hard
12:56:07 JeffMB lo
12:56:09 JeffMB o*
13:03:04 JeffMB damn i really need to use cmake or something for this. im recreating yet another xcode project this time on PPC
13:03:47 raptor yep, that's why we migrated to CMake
13:03:52 raptor but I won't lie
13:04:01 raptor it took a long time, and was a little painful
13:04:07 raptor but once it's done...  it's great
13:04:21 JeffMB yeah
13:04:39 JeffMB i should probably do it now considering i only got ~ 20 source files and only bout 5 libs
13:04:41 JeffMB :P
13:04:44 JeffMB before it gets to out of hand
13:05:02 raptor oh man, do it now, yes
13:05:40 raptor we did it with 150-200 source files, ~12 libs and 3 OSes
13:06:36 JeffMB ye i should probably do that today :P
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13:22:35 watusimoto hi
13:22:54 raptor hi
13:23:18 watusimoto I'll echo that cmake is great!
13:23:29 watusimoto I was a skeptic at first, but I am now a full convert
13:28:54 JeffMB good to hear =)
13:28:54 raptor most of the issues with CMake were platform dependent...  mostly trying to make watusimoto happy in Windows  :)
13:29:17 JeffMB is it hard to use cmake at all? i've never used it before in setting up build files
13:29:26 raptor no
13:29:57 JeffMB gaaaah here comes the linker errors. go xcode
13:32:42 JeffMB the hardest part of c++ is actually compiling and linking everything for me :/ i can write code fine but when it comes to messing with compilier settings and stuff ugh i just flat out die
13:33:17 raptor yeah, don't mess with compiler settings, let cmake do that for you, unless you have to make an exception for weird code
13:33:32 raptor but the linking
13:33:47 JeffMB always forget to include some damn directory
13:33:50 raptor let cmake do that for you, too - you just have to make sure you set up the right dependencies
13:37:49 JeffMB raptor: is there a terminal command to get the current version of cmake?
13:38:15 raptor do you have wget
13:38:20 raptor the 'wget' command?
13:38:27 raptor what OS?
13:39:02 raptor you coudl do:   wget http://www.cmake.org/files/v3.1/cmake-3.1.0-Darwin-universal.dmg
13:39:08 JeffMB ppc osx 10.5
13:39:19 raptor then open and install from the DMG
13:39:26 JeffMB k
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13:56:39 JeffMB hmm
13:56:59 JeffMB ya know, i wonder if it would be easier if i just used something like Torque2D and ported my little bit of 3D code to that. instead of writing an engine along with it
13:57:16 JeffMB T2D runs on windows, OSX, Linux, Driod, iOS, and web
14:31:39 raptor JeffMB: I found a marble blast gold demo for linux on your site - is there no full version for linux?
15:01:01 JeffMB full version requires ignition key from GG
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15:28:56 JeffMB raptor: wanna burn luaJIT with a blowtorch yet?
15:33:25 raptor this says it'll remove  the ignition:  https://github.com/amd7/MBExtender
15:33:33 raptor naww...  LuaJIT is great!
15:33:45 raptor it's OSX that's greifing me
15:36:01 JeffMB the site owner doesn't want to distribute a linux version with the hax in it but your free to do it if u want :p
15:36:05 JeffMB it does work :P
15:36:13 raptor i thought the other versions were hacked
15:36:19 raptor for the other OSes
15:36:23 JeffMB nope
15:36:39 JeffMB those are legit. the other distributer of mb had non-ignition version before it went down
15:36:46 raptor ohhhh
15:36:50 raptor interesting
15:36:51 JeffMB for mac/windows only
15:36:53 JeffMB :C
15:36:56 raptor ah OK
15:37:02 JeffMB that was uh
15:37:06 JeffMB Real One Arcade
15:41:34 raptor what is marble blast ultra?
15:43:56 JeffMB it was on the xbox 360, as well as in browser during the time of instant action.  however, The site owner / head of MB modding was able to get the level files from the original developers, and we are able to have them inside of marble blast platinum. so in hte leadeerboarde only, you can play MBU levels
15:47:57 raptor wow, your history is as convoluted as Bitfighter's
15:50:02 JeffMB should be. when you have a trash company like IA running the show :P
15:51:32 JeffMB funny thing was I didn't start in Marble Blast until 2010, which in early 2011 that's when MB officially died/lost support
15:58:31 raptor heading home!  back later
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16:27:14 raptor hello again
16:29:19 JeffMB hello
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17:53:37 thread_ so, I need some ideas. Anyone have an idea of how to simulate a turret, except with lots of health and can't be repaired?
17:54:08 raptor does the turret need to stay dead?
17:54:20 raptor if it's killed all the way, i mean?
17:54:42 thread_ yes. It must stay dead
17:55:03 thread_ so the auto healing thing doesn't quite work
17:56:30 raptor maybe use a Core?
17:56:34 raptor that can shoot?
17:57:14 raptor spawn a projectile with a velocity on the outside edge of it
18:07:02 thread_ i guess
18:07:24 thread_ I was hoping to only have one core, at the end. but I think cores are the only way to really do this
18:08:52 thread_ BTW, does Pleiades all uploading bot code with a level yet?
18:09:38 raptor no - the game doesn't support bots in that way since they go into a separate folder
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18:16:47 raptor you may be able to create an object system that holds attributes about a turret
18:17:13 raptor detects its current health, and add a fraction of the health back
18:17:45 raptor so if turret has 100 % health, then next tick it has 90%,  set it back to 80% of the loss, or 98%
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18:17:54 raptor that way you could emulate less health loss
18:18:17 raptor although the last normal shot would do full damage
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18:32:31 thread_ raptor: Yea, that would work, if I keep the health at 0 afterwards... or remove it from the game
18:58:59 raptor yes, that's a good idea
18:59:20 raptor i think bobdaduck did some sort of object system with his zone-swords in DnD
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19:29:21 raptor one advantage of *not* using the FFI from LuaJIT is that we can fallback on a standard Lua interpreter for a platform that may not compile
19:32:49 JeffMB im starting to really like lua from looking into it :p
19:33:16 JeffMB raptor: go make me a torquescript JIT compilier c:
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19:43:17 raptor JeffMB: convert to Lua!
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20:07:10 watusimoto to solve thread's problem, perhaps write a script that reduces damage to the turrent by 90% to simulate more health?
20:10:57 raptor we don't have a damage-detection event
20:11:15 raptor so i suggested to compare health, from tick-to-tick, then set the health back up a percentage
20:56:20 JeffMB_ sam is to OP
20:56:47 raptor ?
20:57:36 sam686 "Lambencee' said that first...
20:57:43 sam686 in bitfighter lobby chat
20:57:48 raptor OOooo
20:57:51 raptor is there a party?
20:59:15 sam686 possibly yes but not too sure..
20:59:31 sam686 shows sky_lark online though so probably yes
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22:50:59 BFLogBot_ Commit: 86bb26329a | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Patch LuaJIT to compile on OSX PPC
22:51:00 BFLogBot_ Commit: 400f7117ea | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Switch OSX PPC to use LuaJIT.  Note that the JIT VM needed to be disabled for it to not crash.  I'm not sure why, but it is still faster than a standard Lua interpreter.  The OSX 10.5 SDK is needed to compile this for PPC.
22:51:02 BFLogBot_ Commit: 262621f78b | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Remove lua-vec from our tree since LuaJIT can be used on all platforms now.  Also update CMake to reflect this
22:51:03 BFLogBot_ Commit: b98c4bed5e | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: If compiling for target of OSX 10.4 i386, use the 10.6 SDK
23:04:40 fordcars !bugs
23:04:40 BFLogBot To enter a bug: http://tinyurl.com/bfnewbug -- To view all bugs: http://tinyurl.com/bfbugs
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23:05:57 JeffMB whee
23:11:31 JeffMB raptor: i keep seeing this talk about steam integration into bitfighter.  Is that even possible considering the GPL requires dependencies to conform to the GPL, and steam is proprietary
23:13:19 raptor i ahve no idea
23:13:39 raptor fordcars: did you find another bug?
23:14:05 fordcars raptor: Kindof, but I posted a request
23:14:28 fordcars raptor: when sending messages out while there is an announcement, it sometimes doesn't show up, but I think it still send
23:14:31 fordcars *send
23:14:33 fordcars s
23:14:51 fordcars Messages being GLobal and probably Team chat
23:15:08 fordcars Not showing up meaning I can't see it, but others might
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23:19:43 raptor I noticed that with a private message, i think
23:20:08 fordcars Not urgent, just thought you wanted to know
23:24:29 sam686 there is some major sound problem on bitfighter if you use 019d to connect to 019c,  flag grab sounds like a flag drop, and there is some multiple continuous repair sound at (0,0) middle of map
23:25:01 sam686 often times, way too many continuous repair sound eventually cuts out all other sounds
23:30:06 raptor oh no...
23:30:16 raptor is that because I misaligned the sound enum?
23:30:26 raptor i thought that enum was client-side only
23:30:39 raptor is TNL sending it across???
23:31:00 sam686 apparently the sound index is sent from server to clients, like flag capture
23:33:42 sam686 GameType::broadcastMessage is one of them, sending the sound index from server to clients
23:34:54 sam686 SFXProfiles sfx, its sending the index number, if the index gets shifted into mismatched server/client, the clients plays wrong sound
23:35:32 raptor oh no
23:35:36 raptor then I messed that up
23:35:41 raptor good find
23:35:50 raptor i know how to fix
23:36:41 BFLogBot_ Commit: 833609ea50 | Author: sam8641 | Message: Fix continuous repair and incorrect flag capture sound (mismatch 019c/019d sound index)
23:37:47 sam686 now works when joining 019c server
23:38:22 sam686 umm raptor are you trying to fix it when i already did?

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00:00:26	raptor	HiGuy: bitfighter is a continuation of the open source Zap! code, before it morphed into the IA Z.A.P stuff
00:00:36	HiGuy	Ah, ok
00:00:40	raptor	so we didn't get the fancy graphics
00:00:40	HiGuy	Makes sense
00:01:00	JeffMB	#OpenGLSHADERZZ
00:01:01	raptor	but a full-featured editor has been added
00:01:16	JeffMB	inb4 higuy gets me involved to make shaders
00:01:52	HiGuy	oh wow it's all coming back
00:01:58	HiGuy	... and I died instantly to bots
00:02:11	raptor	yes... beware of s_bot
00:02:21	raptor	and uh.. you'll quickly find his quirks
00:03:23	HiGuy	bots suck at d wow
00:03:38	HiGuy	maybe..
00:03:44	Nothing_Much	at d?
00:03:51	Nothing_Much	defense?
00:03:55	raptor	s_bot is due for a full rewrite
00:03:55	HiGuy	they sure aren't playing defense
00:04:12	raptor	no, they're aggressive
00:04:28	fordcars	You can change that with arguments I think, but don't bother
00:06:15	JeffMB	raptor: isn't supporting ppc fun :P
00:06:27	raptor	for certain definitions of 'fun', yes :)
00:06:35	JeffMB	the thing i have bout ppc is you can't use the Grand Central Dispatch from objective-c as that's 10.6+
00:06:36	raptor	in a masochistic sort of way
00:06:59	JeffMB	the thing i dislike bout it that is
00:07:08	JeffMB	makes threading 1000% harder for nubs like me ;)
00:07:15	raptor	actually supporting ppc is easy on linux, but osx... that's where i might use the word 'fun'
00:07:32	JeffMB	oh is it not bad on linux? cuz i may have to look into installing mint ppc on my G4 machine
00:07:45	raptor	ppc is quite mature in linux
00:08:01	raptor	i run openSUSE. SUSE has had good PPC for it's server version for a while now
00:08:02	JeffMB	I'm not a linux person much, sadly
00:08:08	raptor	*PPC support
00:08:12	JeffMB	i've been windows forever, finally started getting into OSX
00:08:22	JeffMB	and i want to move into linux sometime, but u know, time :p
00:08:46	fordcars	Linux is where the cool kids hang out
00:09:18	raptor	we keep telling ourselves that so we can pretend it was worth it :)
00:09:21	Nothing_Much	os x is blah
00:09:44	Nothing_Much	linuxmasterrace
00:09:50	fordcars	Yiss
00:09:57	raptor	you guys should get on and play with HiGuy
00:10:09	raptor	so he doesn't start hating s_bot too much...
00:10:11	HiGuy	it's embarrasing
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00:10:18	Nothing_Much	hang on a sec
00:10:43	Nothing_Much	raptor: 019c is the latest, right?
00:10:49	raptor	yes
00:11:03	Nothing_Much	ah ok, I thought 019d was released
00:11:13	Nothing_Much	because I want a .deb for 019d pls
00:11:20	Nothing_Much	019c's package isn't on the website :(
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00:44:13	Nothing_Much	raptor: did vx fix the "kill" stuff and change it to "zap" or "blast"?
00:44:17	Nothing_Much	in the google code thing?
00:53:03	JeffMB	raptor: ditch lua and add TorqueScript. hehe, now 100% more slower code
00:56:20	Nothing_Much	raptor: did vx fix the "kill" stuff and change it to "zap" or "blast"?
01:03:53	HiGuy	well that was certainly an experience
01:04:03	HiGuy	... which ended with a SIGSEGV
01:04:07	HiGuy	hahahahah
01:04:16	fordcars	Haha reallyÉ
01:04:19	HiGuy	yep
01:04:22	fordcars	What system?
01:04:24	HiGuy	0 com.yourcompany.Bitfighter 0x00000001003600df Zap::ServerGame::getCategorizedPlayerCountsByTeam() const + 543
01:04:32	HiGuy	OSX 10.10.2
01:04:44	fordcars	Eh, you should ask raptor
01:04:59	fordcars	Bitfighter's company name is amazing
01:05:03	HiGuy	ikr
01:05:32	HiGuy	so is this all open source
01:05:38	fordcars	Yep
01:05:42	HiGuy	damn.
01:05:53	HiGuy	> mercurial
01:05:53	HiGuy	wow
01:06:16	fordcars	hg ftw
01:09:13	HiGuy	anyway, thanks for the games all
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01:11:59	Nothing_Much	oh my
01:12:15	fordcars	Nothing_Much: code
01:12:54	fordcars	now :)
01:14:32	Nothing_Much	fordcars: asoidfhgaidfsa
01:14:39	fordcars	asoidfhgaidfsa
01:34:55	fordcars	Night!
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01:42:09	raptor	hi
01:42:24	raptor	Nothing_Much: i think vx did the fix... let me see
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01:43:46	raptor	huh, looks like no
01:54:23	raptor	luajit compiles!
01:54:30	raptor	and with that... good night!
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02:01:50	Nothing_Much	oh darn
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11:09:12	JeffMB	woohoo finally found a git client that runs on ppc leopard :P
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12:19:21	raptor	good day!
12:28:57	JeffMB	hello
12:29:23	JeffMB	wow that's suprising. libjpg and libmng compiled on ppc w/o requiring me to do something
12:30:24	raptor	yeah... i find the issue is frequently less 'ppc' and more 'osx'
12:31:28	JeffMB	aka osx whyy do you haz to objective-c the everythings and requre so many different SDK versions
12:51:21	raptor	well... bitfighter runs on a G4
12:51:32	raptor	but the Lua engine crashes the game
12:51:40	raptor	sadness
12:51:42	JeffMB	:(
12:52:08	JeffMB	i guess no PPC for luaJIT :P
12:52:27	JeffMB	does regular lua still compile on ppc?
12:52:43	raptor	oh yes - but i'm not giving up yet
12:52:55	raptor	i haven't exhausted my hackey-hack ideas yet
12:53:04	JeffMB	if u get luaJIT to work on ppc u should throw it up on github :
12:53:06	JeffMB	:)
12:55:51	raptor	I already posted a patch to the mailing list - it actually does work if you use the compiled 'luajit' executable
12:56:06	raptor	but when linking it into the game, it crashes... hard
12:56:07	JeffMB	lo
12:56:09	JeffMB	o*
13:03:04	JeffMB	damn i really need to use cmake or something for this. im recreating yet another xcode project this time on PPC
13:03:47	raptor	yep, that's why we migrated to CMake
13:03:52	raptor	but I won't lie
13:04:01	raptor	it took a long time, and was a little painful
13:04:07	raptor	but once it's done... it's great
13:04:21	JeffMB	yeah
13:04:39	JeffMB	i should probably do it now considering i only got ~ 20 source files and only bout 5 libs
13:04:41	JeffMB	:P
13:04:44	JeffMB	before it gets to out of hand
13:05:02	raptor	oh man, do it now, yes
13:05:40	raptor	we did it with 150-200 source files, ~12 libs and 3 OSes
13:06:36	JeffMB	ye i should probably do that today :P
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13:22:35	watusimoto	hi
13:22:54	raptor	hi
13:23:18	watusimoto	I'll echo that cmake is great!
13:23:29	watusimoto	I was a skeptic at first, but I am now a full convert
13:28:54	JeffMB	good to hear =)
13:28:54	raptor	most of the issues with CMake were platform dependent... mostly trying to make watusimoto happy in Windows :)
13:29:17	JeffMB	is it hard to use cmake at all? i've never used it before in setting up build files
13:29:26	raptor	no
13:29:57	JeffMB	gaaaah here comes the linker errors. go xcode
13:32:42	JeffMB	the hardest part of c++ is actually compiling and linking everything for me :/ i can write code fine but when it comes to messing with compilier settings and stuff ugh i just flat out die
13:33:17	raptor	yeah, don't mess with compiler settings, let cmake do that for you, unless you have to make an exception for weird code
13:33:32	raptor	but the linking
13:33:47	JeffMB	always forget to include some damn directory
13:33:50	raptor	let cmake do that for you, too - you just have to make sure you set up the right dependencies
13:37:49	JeffMB	raptor: is there a terminal command to get the current version of cmake?
13:38:15	raptor	do you have wget
13:38:20	raptor	the 'wget' command?
13:38:27	raptor	what OS?
13:39:02	raptor	you coudl do: wget http://www.cmake.org/files/v3.1/cmake-3.1.0-Darwin-universal.dmg
13:39:08	JeffMB	ppc osx 10.5
13:39:19	raptor	then open and install from the DMG
13:39:26	JeffMB	k
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13:56:39	JeffMB	hmm
13:56:59	JeffMB	ya know, i wonder if it would be easier if i just used something like Torque2D and ported my little bit of 3D code to that. instead of writing an engine along with it
13:57:16	JeffMB	T2D runs on windows, OSX, Linux, Driod, iOS, and web
14:31:39	raptor	JeffMB: I found a marble blast gold demo for linux on your site - is there no full version for linux?
15:01:01	JeffMB	full version requires ignition key from GG
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15:28:56	JeffMB	raptor: wanna burn luaJIT with a blowtorch yet?
15:33:25	raptor	this says it'll remove the ignition: https://github.com/amd7/MBExtender
15:33:33	raptor	naww... LuaJIT is great!
15:33:45	raptor	it's OSX that's greifing me
15:36:01	JeffMB	the site owner doesn't want to distribute a linux version with the hax in it but your free to do it if u want :p
15:36:05	JeffMB	it does work :P
15:36:13	raptor	i thought the other versions were hacked
15:36:19	raptor	for the other OSes
15:36:23	JeffMB	nope
15:36:39	JeffMB	those are legit. the other distributer of mb had non-ignition version before it went down
15:36:46	raptor	ohhhh
15:36:50	raptor	interesting
15:36:51	JeffMB	for mac/windows only
15:36:53	JeffMB	:C
15:36:56	raptor	ah OK
15:37:02	JeffMB	that was uh
15:37:06	JeffMB	Real One Arcade
15:41:34	raptor	what is marble blast ultra?
15:43:56	JeffMB	it was on the xbox 360, as well as in browser during the time of instant action. however, The site owner / head of MB modding was able to get the level files from the original developers, and we are able to have them inside of marble blast platinum. so in hte leadeerboarde only, you can play MBU levels
15:47:57	raptor	wow, your history is as convoluted as Bitfighter's
15:50:02	JeffMB	should be. when you have a trash company like IA running the show :P
15:51:32	JeffMB	funny thing was I didn't start in Marble Blast until 2010, which in early 2011 that's when MB officially died/lost support
15:58:31	raptor	heading home! back later
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16:27:14	raptor	hello again
16:29:19	JeffMB	hello
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17:53:37	thread_	so, I need some ideas. Anyone have an idea of how to simulate a turret, except with lots of health and can't be repaired?
17:54:08	raptor	does the turret need to stay dead?
17:54:20	raptor	if it's killed all the way, i mean?
17:54:42	thread_	yes. It must stay dead
17:55:03	thread_	so the auto healing thing doesn't quite work
17:56:30	raptor	maybe use a Core?
17:56:34	raptor	that can shoot?
17:57:14	raptor	spawn a projectile with a velocity on the outside edge of it
18:07:02	thread_	i guess
18:07:24	thread_	I was hoping to only have one core, at the end. but I think cores are the only way to really do this
18:08:52	thread_	BTW, does Pleiades all uploading bot code with a level yet?
18:09:38	raptor	no - the game doesn't support bots in that way since they go into a separate folder
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18:16:47	raptor	you may be able to create an object system that holds attributes about a turret
18:17:13	raptor	detects its current health, and add a fraction of the health back
18:17:45	raptor	so if turret has 100 % health, then next tick it has 90%, set it back to 80% of the loss, or 98%
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18:17:54	raptor	that way you could emulate less health loss
18:18:17	raptor	although the last normal shot would do full damage
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18:32:31	thread_	raptor: Yea, that would work, if I keep the health at 0 afterwards... or remove it from the game
18:58:59	raptor	yes, that's a good idea
18:59:20	raptor	i think bobdaduck did some sort of object system with his zone-swords in DnD
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19:29:21	raptor	one advantage of not using the FFI from LuaJIT is that we can fallback on a standard Lua interpreter for a platform that may not compile
19:32:49	JeffMB	im starting to really like lua from looking into it :p
19:33:16	JeffMB	raptor: go make me a torquescript JIT compilier c:
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19:43:17	raptor	JeffMB: convert to Lua!
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20:07:10	watusimoto	to solve thread's problem, perhaps write a script that reduces damage to the turrent by 90% to simulate more health?
20:10:57	raptor	we don't have a damage-detection event
20:11:15	raptor	so i suggested to compare health, from tick-to-tick, then set the health back up a percentage
20:56:20	JeffMB_	sam is to OP
20:56:47	raptor	?
20:57:36	sam686	"Lambencee' said that first...
20:57:43	sam686	in bitfighter lobby chat
20:57:48	raptor	OOooo
20:57:51	raptor	is there a party?
20:59:15	sam686	possibly yes but not too sure..
20:59:31	sam686	shows sky_lark online though so probably yes
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22:50:59		BFLogBot_ Commit: 86bb26329a \| Author: buckyballreaction \| Message: Patch LuaJIT to compile on OSX PPC
22:51:00		BFLogBot_ Commit: 400f7117ea \| Author: buckyballreaction \| Message: Switch OSX PPC to use LuaJIT. Note that the JIT VM needed to be disabled for it to not crash. I'm not sure why, but it is still faster than a standard Lua interpreter. The OSX 10.5 SDK is needed to compile this for PPC.
22:51:02		BFLogBot_ Commit: 262621f78b \| Author: buckyballreaction \| Message: Remove lua-vec from our tree since LuaJIT can be used on all platforms now. Also update CMake to reflect this
22:51:03		BFLogBot_ Commit: b98c4bed5e \| Author: buckyballreaction \| Message: If compiling for target of OSX 10.4 i386, use the 10.6 SDK
23:04:40	fordcars	!bugs
23:04:40	BFLogBot	To enter a bug: http://tinyurl.com/bfnewbug -- To view all bugs: http://tinyurl.com/bfbugs
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23:05:57	JeffMB	whee
23:11:31	JeffMB	raptor: i keep seeing this talk about steam integration into bitfighter. Is that even possible considering the GPL requires dependencies to conform to the GPL, and steam is proprietary
23:13:19	raptor	i ahve no idea
23:13:39	raptor	fordcars: did you find another bug?
23:14:05	fordcars	raptor: Kindof, but I posted a request
23:14:28	fordcars	raptor: when sending messages out while there is an announcement, it sometimes doesn't show up, but I think it still send
23:14:31	fordcars	*send
23:14:33	fordcars	s
23:14:51	fordcars	Messages being GLobal and probably Team chat
23:15:08	fordcars	Not showing up meaning I can't see it, but others might
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23:19:43	raptor	I noticed that with a private message, i think
23:20:08	fordcars	Not urgent, just thought you wanted to know
23:24:29	sam686	there is some major sound problem on bitfighter if you use 019d to connect to 019c, flag grab sounds like a flag drop, and there is some multiple continuous repair sound at (0,0) middle of map
23:25:01	sam686	often times, way too many continuous repair sound eventually cuts out all other sounds
23:30:06	raptor	oh no...
23:30:16	raptor	is that because I misaligned the sound enum?
23:30:26	raptor	i thought that enum was client-side only
23:30:39	raptor	is TNL sending it across???
23:31:00	sam686	apparently the sound index is sent from server to clients, like flag capture
23:33:42	sam686	GameType::broadcastMessage is one of them, sending the sound index from server to clients
23:34:54	sam686	SFXProfiles sfx, its sending the index number, if the index gets shifted into mismatched server/client, the clients plays wrong sound
23:35:32	raptor	oh no
23:35:36	raptor	then I messed that up
23:35:41	raptor	good find
23:35:50	raptor	i know how to fix
23:36:41		BFLogBot_ Commit: 833609ea50 \| Author: sam8641 \| Message: Fix continuous repair and incorrect flag capture sound (mismatch 019c/019d sound index)
23:37:47	sam686	now works when joining 019c server
23:38:22	sam686	umm raptor are you trying to fix it when i already did?