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| 00:15:01 | sam686 | #content-wrapper { background-image: none; } that should fix bitfighter.org forum backround stars moving when scrolling problem (was 'inherit') |
| 00:15:51 | raptor | building building building... |
| 00:16:49 | sam686 | what are you building? a house? |
| 00:16:55 | raptor | linux standalone |
| 00:24:56 | raptor | yay i586 compiled |
| 00:34:56 | raptor | ok, standalone compiled |
| 00:35:03 | raptor | i put all binaries at /home/raptor/deploy/ |
| 00:35:06 | raptor | but i have to sleep |
| 00:35:12 | raptor | i'll continue the release tomorrow |
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| 04:51:16 | Nothing_Much | @raptor, where's watusimoto been at? |
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| 10:15:36 | raptor | watusimoto has been on vacation without internet, i think |
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| 12:30:09 | fordcars | Nothing_Much: I am installing Ubuntu |
| 12:30:31 | fordcars | On another computer |
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| 13:32:47 | Nothing_Much | fordcars: nice |
| 13:32:55 | fordcars | :) |
| 13:32:56 | Nothing_Much | raptor: oh okay |
| 13:33:02 | Nothing_Much | wait, fordcars which version? |
| 13:33:18 | fordcars | 14.04, but I can update to Unicorn |
| 13:33:24 | fordcars | Or whatever |
| 13:33:28 | Nothing_Much | 14.10 |
| 13:33:30 | Nothing_Much | Yesa |
| 13:33:32 | Nothing_Much | yeah* |
| 13:33:53 | Nothing_Much | I would honestly recommend it as your default desktop |
| 13:33:56 | Nothing_Much | but that's up to ya |
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| 13:35:07 | Nothing_Much | What are the specs on that pc though, fordcars? |
| 13:35:15 | fordcars | Uh |
| 13:35:20 | fordcars | Intel i3 |
| 13:35:25 | fordcars | With some graphic card |
| 13:35:32 | fordcars | And 4gb ram I think |
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| 14:16:10 | Watusimoto | hi, back! |
| 14:17:05 | raptor | hi Watusimoto |
| 14:17:17 | raptor | i've compiled 019d for all platforms... i'm currently updating the website |
| 14:17:54 | Watusimoto | great! a welcome note for 2015! |
| 14:18:00 | Watusimoto | happy new year to all! |
| 14:18:57 | raptor | happy new year! |
| 14:20:05 | fordcars | Happy new year! |
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| 14:25:56 | raptor | Watusimoto: i'm adding icons again to the download page. does this look OK?: http://bitfighter.org/downloads/ |
| 14:26:16 | Watusimoto | Looks great |
| 14:26:36 | raptor | ok, now to change it to 019d |
| 14:27:00 | Watusimoto | Since you are editing that page, would you mind changing Portable Archive to Portable Archive (unzip and play) ? |
| 14:27:10 | raptor | sure |
| 14:27:33 | raptor | oh oops... i forgot to create that one |
| 14:27:39 | Watusimoto | I think it's pretty clear as-is, but we have the room, and that's something I've been meaining to do for a while |
| 14:28:15 | Watusimoto | I have some great ideas for walls, but I am not sure how to implement |
| 14:28:22 | Watusimoto | ok, not great ideas, but ideas nonetheless |
| 14:28:36 | Watusimoto | I want to create some decorative elements for designers to play with |
| 14:28:42 | raptor | uh oh |
| 14:28:44 | raptor | :) |
| 14:28:59 | raptor | could be a new object, or extension of current object |
| 14:29:01 | Watusimoto | well, we'll see. If it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out |
| 14:29:07 | Watusimoto | I was thinking an extension |
| 14:29:13 | Watusimoto | but not sure yet |
| 14:29:37 | Watusimoto | I want to create the rendering first, and then, if we like it, we can make that decision |
| 14:29:45 | Watusimoto | if the rendering is not good, it hardly matters |
| 14:29:48 | raptor | xpilot |
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| 14:30:10 | raptor | they did different wall types/textures |
| 14:31:05 | Watusimoto | look at this: |
| 14:31:06 | Watusimoto | http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZI1GPgljJi4/maxresdefault.jpg |
| 14:31:21 | Watusimoto | most of what you see is deocrative |
| 14:31:31 | Watusimoto | the "paneling" of the floor |
| 14:31:33 | raptor | random lights, glowiness |
| 14:31:46 | raptor | mitering of the edges? |
| 14:31:54 | raptor | oh |
| 14:32:11 | Watusimoto | we already have mitered edges, sort of |
| 14:32:23 | Watusimoto | let me find a better example |
| 14:33:15 | Watusimoto | ok, not finding a better example |
| 14:33:18 | Watusimoto | but I also like this: |
| 14:33:19 | Watusimoto | http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/219200/ss_ced1796e62fd0e8fac10e5593be81925ab8593ec.1920x1080.jpg?t=1395078655 |
| 14:33:28 | Watusimoto | the spotlight object in the LR |
| 14:34:07 | Watusimoto | perhaps we could have those that would help turrets aim better; take those out, turret accuracy goes down |
| 14:35:34 | Watusimoto | I was thinking about how we could add some ambient effects to the game without altering the fundamental feel |
| 14:35:45 | Watusimoto | because that is, of course, critical |
| 14:36:17 | Watusimoto | anyway... don't get too worried until you see a concrete proposal! |
| 14:36:41 | raptor | heh, ok :) |
| 14:42:57 | Watusimoto | man, I got a lot of email while I was gone |
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| 15:00:42 | raptor | almost done with the page... i've had to add two new installers |
| 15:02:21 | Watusimoto | lots of options on that page now... |
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| 15:19:19 | JeffMB | raptor: what's the new stuff in 19D |
| 15:19:26 | JeffMB | happy new year btw guys :) |
| 15:19:36 | raptor | i'm about to post that |
| 15:19:39 | raptor | it's mostly a bugfix |
| 15:19:41 | JeffMB | haha okay :) |
| 15:19:54 | JeffMB | sorry forgot about last night :/ |
| 15:27:12 | raptor | JeffMB: http://bitfighter.org/downloads/#changes |
| 15:27:29 | raptor | Watusimoto: I think I'm done with the downloads page, any other changes you might recommend? |
| 15:29:01 | Watusimoto | it looks really good. The only thing i can see is super trivial -- with on execption, all text in ( )s is lowercase.... perhaps Standalone x86/x86_64 (experimental; GLIBC 2.7) would be better? |
| 15:29:23 | Watusimoto | you know, I hate to say it, but I do like our website |
| 15:29:50 | raptor | ok |
| 15:30:11 | raptor | done |
| 15:31:02 | raptor | i have the file open so trivial changes are easy |
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| 15:59:04 | raptor | ok, updater has been updated |
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| 16:04:57 | | raptor changes topic to 'Welcome everyone! Feel free to ask anything! | Bitfighter 019d released! | http://www.bitfighter.org/downloads | Forums http://bitfighter.org/forums/ | Channel logs http://bitfighter.org/irclogs/' |
| 16:05:06 | raptor | time for a break |
| 16:05:07 | thread_ | did bitfighter get updated just now? |
| 16:05:12 | raptor | yes :) |
| 16:05:16 | thread_ | whoooo! |
| 16:05:21 | thread_ | happy new year! |
| 16:05:40 | raptor | still in the works, i haven't posted in the forums yet |
| 16:06:01 | fordcars | yay!! |
| 16:06:54 | thread_ | !bugs |
| 16:06:54 | BFLogBot | To enter a bug: http://tinyurl.com/bfnewbug -- To view all bugs: http://tinyurl.com/bfbugs |
| 16:07:01 | raptor | already a bug? |
| 16:07:06 | thread_ | wanna see what got changed |
| 16:07:18 | raptor | http://bitfighter.org/downloads/#changes |
| 16:08:52 | thread_ | cool, thanks |
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| 16:16:16 | JeffMB | "OSX 10.4 compatibility fixes (does anyone still run this?)" i actually still know somebody that has a 10.4 machine |
| 16:16:29 | JeffMB | 2 people actually |
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| 16:17:26 | JeffMB | also with this being the last build for 10.4, will a ppc 10.5 build still exist? |
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| 16:22:40 | raptor | JeffMB: perhaps - i did find a way to extend the ppc life |
| 16:22:46 | raptor | with this last release |
| 16:24:24 | JeffMB | oh? whatz the solution |
| 16:24:42 | JeffMB | ppc 5ever |
| 16:24:59 | raptor | haha |
| 16:25:19 | raptor | i found a way to compile LuaJIT on ppc :) |
| 16:25:34 | raptor | but also to use the newer cross-compiler on OSX 10.6 |
| 16:26:35 | raptor | ok need to take a break |
| 16:26:38 | raptor | back later! |
| 16:27:06 | raptor | Watusimoto: 12, 15, 18, 20 still need to be done |
| 16:27:10 | raptor | bye! |
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| 17:19:49 | Nothing_Much | fordcars_: that's perfect specs for ubuntu |
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| 17:35:14 | Nothing_Much | oh ok |
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| 20:52:13 | Nothing_Much | I just realized |
| 20:52:26 | Nothing_Much | That it's impossible to get on the iTunes Store or Mac App store |
| 20:52:38 | Nothing_Much | If your software is licensed under the GPL |
| 20:52:55 | Nothing_Much | So.. that's one less thing to worry about. :P |
| 21:04:34 | kumul | why would it be impossible? |
| 21:21:40 | raptor | license issues, i reckon |
| 21:42:27 | Watusimoto_ | hey raptor: just an fyi that I'll be away this weekend, friday through sunday |
| 21:42:36 | Watusimoto_ | most likely completely offline |
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| 21:44:13 | raptor | hi |
| 21:44:14 | raptor | ok |
| 21:44:23 | raptor | i've been taking it easy... |
| 21:46:39 | watusimoto | you did a release! |
| 21:46:58 | raptor | I'm trying to update the Building Bitfighter page |
| 21:47:16 | watusimoto | I made some good progress on it today |
| 21:47:23 | watusimoto | as noted in my email |
| 21:47:33 | raptor | oh... i should check that... |
| 21:47:41 | watusimoto | I listed what I did and did not do |
| 21:47:50 | raptor | i'm still on vacation and have been enjoying less communication |
| 21:47:55 | watusimoto | indeed |
| 21:48:01 | raptor | or more likely, less undesirable communication :) |
| 21:48:57 | raptor | wow, i have a lot of e-mails... and 5 from you! |
| 21:51:30 | Nothing_Much | raptor, kumul, yes that's exactly it, Apple forbids any GPL licensed software on the iTunes/Mac App store |
| 21:54:00 | kumul | you go apple |
| 21:54:25 | kumul | ♥ |
| 21:56:10 | raptor | kumul: are you in Puerto Rico? |
| 21:56:28 | Nothing_Much | yeah apple is so baaaaaaaad |
| 21:56:29 | kumul | although, apple is not responsible for the apps it hosts, nor can anyone be |
| 21:56:46 | kumul | raptor, yeah! how did you know? |
| 21:56:51 | kumul | spying on me? |
| 21:57:01 | raptor | IRC showed you as coming from an ISP from there |
| 21:57:09 | raptor | I think that's great! |
| 21:57:35 | raptor | I knew some good people from Puerto Rico when I lived in Connecticut |
| 21:58:00 | kumul | oh |
| 21:58:04 | kumul | im so so sorry |
| 21:58:31 | raptor | watusimoto: openSUSE ppc64 platform does not compile because of LuaJIT... which I'm about to fix in CMake.. |
| 21:58:42 | watusimoto | super |
| 21:58:42 | Nothing_Much | ppc64 exists? |
| 21:58:43 | kumul | i would say that this place is filled with good and better people but i would be lying, we are all the same |
| 21:58:50 | raptor | also SLE12 doesn't compile because it is a server system and doesn't supply things like OpenAL or SDL |
| 21:59:00 | Nothing_Much | kumul: most people in this world are good, but asdifaydg |
| 21:59:02 | kumul | hopefully they didnt rob you or anything |
| 21:59:28 | watusimoto | ok, I just wanted to make sure you were aware of the issue |
| 21:59:35 | watusimoto | sounds like you are on top of it! |
| 21:59:42 | Nothing_Much | what's ppc64? |
| 21:59:50 | kumul | power pc? |
| 21:59:52 | raptor | Nothing_Much: yes... anyone who wants to run openSUSE on a PS3 :) |
| 22:00:03 | Nothing_Much | ps3 is a 64 bit console? |
| 22:00:05 | Nothing_Much | dang |
| 22:00:08 | raptor | or that IBM mainframe in the back room |
| 22:00:15 | Nothing_Much | that's interesting..ly weird |
| 22:00:16 | raptor | or actually... i think the xbox 360, too |
| 22:00:21 | raptor | let me check on that |
| 22:00:22 | Nothing_Much | yeah probably that too |
| 22:00:34 | Nothing_Much | but I'm way more interested in ARM(HF)/ARM64 support |
| 22:01:05 | raptor | ARM, in the hardware world, is like Linux in the OS world |
| 22:01:14 | raptor | there are so many flavors |
| 22:01:25 | raptor | yep, xbox, too |
| 22:01:56 | Nothing_Much | raptor: there's only 3 last I checked.. |
| 22:02:09 | raptor | there are dozens, if not hundreds |
| 22:02:30 | raptor | what happens is that ARM is an architecture that can be bought |
| 22:02:50 | raptor | so anyone who wants to make a chip can use the ARM technology... but they also add in a lot of custom stuff |
| 22:03:23 | Nothing_Much | it's like x86's different types of manufacturers.. so far there's two with different technologies that do the same thing |
| 22:03:35 | Nothing_Much | same applies to ARM |
| 22:03:38 | raptor | no not at all |
| 22:03:41 | raptor | ARM is crazy |
| 22:03:54 | raptor | you basically say, "hey ARM, give me your chipset plans" |
| 22:03:54 | Nothing_Much | well, when it applies to the OS then yes, it is crazy |
| 22:04:11 | Nothing_Much | but GNU/Linux has that problem, not the programs/applications |
| 22:04:28 | Nothing_Much | any and all programs that you install on armel, armhf and arm64 should run fine |
| 22:04:33 | Nothing_Much | on android/iOS |
| 22:04:44 | Nothing_Much | well, mostly iOS, Android does get a bit trickier |
| 22:05:25 | Nothing_Much | uh |
| 22:05:26 | Nothing_Much | oh wow |
| 22:05:31 | Nothing_Much | there ARE a lot of ARM chips.. |
| 22:05:44 | raptor | ARM is so heavily customized that that's why you find few Linux distros that run on ARM devices |
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| 22:06:04 | raptor | only a few devices that have implemented a set of common-ish ARM technologies can run things |
| 22:06:11 | Nothing_Much | wow |
| 22:06:20 | Nothing_Much | there's 32 and 64 bit arches of arm |
| 22:06:22 | Nothing_Much | that are crazy |
| 22:06:26 | Nothing_Much | well, except the 64 bit |
| 22:06:32 | Nothing_Much | there's only 1 64 bit ARM arch |
| 22:06:36 | Nothing_Much | which is ARMv8-A |
| 22:07:39 | raptor | that's where the names armv5, armv7hl, etc. come from |
| 22:07:48 | Nothing_Much | yeah |
| 22:08:04 | raptor | they are basically a common set of ARM technologies that you could build |
| 22:08:23 | raptor | but there's so many variations that linux distros only choose 2 or 3 to compile to |
| 22:08:24 | Nothing_Much | ARMv1, ARMv2, v3 v4 v4T v5 v6 v6-M v7-M v7E-M v7-R v7-A and now v8-A |
| 22:08:36 | raptor | and each of those have sub-features |
| 22:08:44 | raptor | that may/may not allow things to run |
| 22:08:50 | Nothing_Much | buuuuuuuuuuuut they're older and outdated |
| 22:09:05 | Nothing_Much | and as I said, it's the kernel's problem, not really the application's problem |
| 22:09:15 | Nothing_Much | or it shouldn't be |
| 22:09:20 | raptor | watusimoto: updated OSX stuff |
| 22:09:28 | watusimoto | good |
| 22:09:40 | watusimoto | it's so easy to build and run on centos now |
| 22:09:54 | raptor | yes... it's great! |
| 22:10:02 | Nothing_Much | wait |
| 22:10:04 | Nothing_Much | there's a new version.. |
| 22:10:05 | fordcars | Hi |
| 22:10:10 | raptor | oh, i updated the dedicated servers on the master |
| 22:10:10 | Nothing_Much | raptor: how do I update my server? |
| 22:10:16 | raptor | !compile |
| 22:10:19 | raptor | !build |
| 22:10:37 | fordcars | Nothing, did you build it yourself? |
| 22:10:51 | fordcars | Nothing_Much^^ |
| 22:11:01 | Nothing_Much | fordcars: yeah I got it from mercerial and it should be on the stable branch |
| 22:11:02 | raptor | Nothing_Much: http://bitfighter.org/wiki/index.php/Building_Bitfighter |
| 22:11:24 | Nothing_Much | wait, raptor, how do you build a .deb package? |
| 22:11:30 | fordcars | Oh ok |
| 22:11:35 | fordcars | I guess: |
| 22:11:36 | raptor | treacherously |
| 22:11:37 | fordcars | hg pull -u |
| 22:11:42 | fordcars | make |
| 22:11:45 | fordcars | Or something |
| 22:11:56 | raptor | make oatmeal cookies |
| 22:12:22 | raptor | watusimoto: honestly, i'm so glad we're on one branch again... I feel liberated |
| 22:12:57 | fordcars | raptor: How can I clone from the stable branch? |
| 22:13:13 | Nothing_Much | raptor: if making a .deb package is as simple as doing checkinstall (which because of cmake it doesn't do that), I wouldn't mind being an unofficial package maker using Debian Squeeze to base it off of libc6 version 2.7 I think |
| 22:13:25 | raptor | i don't know checkinstall |
| 22:13:32 | raptor | fordcars: instructions: http://bitfighter.org/wiki/index.php/Building_Bitfighter |
| 22:13:37 | raptor | hg has tags |
| 22:13:43 | raptor | do: hg tags |
| 22:13:45 | raptor | to see them |
| 22:13:53 | raptor | one is named bitfighter-019d |
| 22:14:01 | raptor | so change to the tag: hg up bitfighter-019d |
| 22:14:16 | fordcars | Whoa fancy, thanks |
| 22:15:26 | raptor | this release was so easy to build on OSX - the DMG is built with 'make package' |
| 22:15:36 | Nothing_Much | wow, nice |
| 22:16:33 | Nothing_Much | no wait, debian squeeze uses libc6 2.11 |
| 22:16:58 | raptor | Nothing_Much: I use the openSUSE build service to build for debian |
| 22:17:06 | watusimoto | dinner! |
| 22:17:07 | raptor | but we may be debian compatible now |
| 22:17:22 | Nothing_Much | raptor: you mean for the official Debian repositories now? :o |
| 22:17:38 | fordcars | !gci |
| 22:17:38 | BFLogBot | GCI Students Welcome! Please see: http://bitfighter.org/wiki/index.php/GCI_Student_Bootstrap for getting started. |
| 22:17:39 | raptor | yes |
| 22:17:44 | watusimoto | raptor: tell me more about debian if you see me on later tonight or tomorrow |
| 22:17:49 | raptor | kk |
| 22:18:03 | Nothing_Much | raptor: whoa! oh man, I wish I could be a package maintainer |
| 22:21:31 | Nothing_Much | raptor: which version of opensuse did you use to build bitfighter? |
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| 22:22:17 | raptor | the openSUSE build service (OBS) does a sort of chroot+emulation to compile to many other distros |
| 22:22:28 | Nothing_Much | oh neat |
| 22:22:33 | raptor | so essentially i'm compiling *on* debian |
| 22:22:38 | raptor | but set up by the OBS |
| 22:22:44 | raptor | so it's skeletal |
| 22:23:01 | Nothing_Much | oh, well how do you make the .deb? |
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| 22:25:49 | Nothing_Much | that's what I was mostly asking, raptor, I also got the new version currently compiling on my server |
| 22:26:39 | fordcars | debuild -i -us -uc -b |
| 22:26:51 | Nothing_Much | fordcars: wat |
| 22:26:53 | fordcars | I dunno, I just found that on https://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian |
| 22:31:05 | Nothing_Much | I don't think I've ever seen that |
| 22:31:08 | Nothing_Much | but I can't remember |
| 22:35:07 | fordcars | raptor: Why is bitfighter looking for Sound effects in /usr/local/share/bitfighter/sfx, and music in /home/.bitfighter/music? |
| 22:35:43 | raptor | because we have no idea what we're doing |
| 22:35:50 | fordcars | Nice :) |
| 22:35:58 | raptor | Nothing_Much: I use an OBS command to build for debian like so: osc build --clean --no-verify --disable-cpio-bulk-download -p ~/obs/cache/d7/ -k ~/obs/rpms/debian/7/ --alternative-project Debian:7.0 x86_64 bitfighter.dsc |
| 22:36:34 | raptor | if that's what you're asking |
| 22:36:54 | raptor | but a lot of that is probably unintelligible without the right set up |
| 22:37:03 | raptor | in fact... i should build that for debian now... |
| 22:38:01 | fordcars | Ok, I copied resource everywhere, it works now |
| 22:38:10 | raptor | fordcars: what was the problem? |
| 22:38:21 | raptor | i didn't know you were asking for a solution to something |
| 22:38:25 | Nothing_Much | raptor: yeah.. it's a bit harder than I thought it would be.. |
| 22:38:41 | Nothing_Much | so I'm going to ask if you could make a .deb, please? |
| 22:38:42 | fordcars | No, I was just reporting bitfighter searching in different places for resources |
| 22:38:52 | raptor | oh, we have a bug open for that already :) |
| 22:39:03 | fordcars | Haha ok :) |
| 22:39:04 | raptor | Nothing_Much: sure, which distro arch should I do first? |
| 22:39:17 | Nothing_Much | amd64 :) |
| 22:39:34 | raptor | ok, debian 7? |
| 22:39:38 | Nothing_Much | then armhf then armel then.. i386/i686 |
| 22:39:44 | raptor | arm?? |
| 22:39:46 | raptor | ha |
| 22:39:48 | Nothing_Much | raptor: lol |
| 22:40:00 | Nothing_Much | only if/whenever bitfighter supports GLES 2.0 |
| 22:40:20 | Nothing_Much | otherwise, just i686/amd64 and debian 7 has libc6 2.13 fyi |
| 22:40:34 | Nothing_Much | if you want to use debian 6, it uses libc6 2.11 |
| 22:40:49 | Nothing_Much | but I'd rather use a newer version of it anyways |
| 22:41:01 | Nothing_Much | 2.13 is the lowest it should go for Debian-based distros |
| 22:41:06 | raptor | libc doesn't matter when doing distro-specific builds |
| 22:41:07 | Nothing_Much | Ubuntu's on 2.19 I think right now |
| 22:41:13 | Nothing_Much | oh okay |
| 22:41:13 | raptor | because i'll build directly on that distro |
| 22:41:19 | Nothing_Much | well, Debian 7 will be fine :3 |
| 22:41:23 | fordcars | raptor: bug? Go in bitfighter 019d, Host on Server thing, why do all servers suddenly become sam686 #? |
| 22:41:24 | raptor | ok, debian 7 it is! |
| 22:41:37 | raptor | fordcars: because that is a different server screen |
| 22:41:45 | raptor | only servers with the host-on-server flag are shown there |
| 22:41:51 | raptor | it's deeply experimental |
| 22:42:00 | fordcars | Okokokok |
| 22:42:03 | raptor | sam686 has kindly provided those for you to hijack :) |
| 22:42:12 | fordcars | Hahaha |
| 22:44:40 | fordcars | It was just because one of these servers has nothing to do with bitfighter.org, and you can still hijack it? |
| 22:44:51 | fordcars | The Australian one |
| 22:44:59 | fordcars | I seem to talk to much |
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| 23:57:35 | Nothing_Much | raptor: Lemme know when the .deb is made :) |
| 23:57:49 | raptor | argh! |
| 23:57:55 | raptor | sorry! |
| 23:59:58 | raptor | I had started it then got pulled away |
