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| 00:08:23 | Nothing_Much | kaen: Awesome dude |
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| 00:44:16 | raptor | well now that debian is underway again, I can focus elsewhere! |
| 00:50:25 | raptor | kaen: I have a web-technologies question - I wish to create my own cross-platform viewer for a proprietary code format (it doesn't have a linux reader) |
| 00:50:58 | raptor | Could I create something in HTML/CSS/JS that: 1. can load a custom data format and 2. parse an sqlite database ? |
| 00:51:10 | kaen | hmm |
| 00:51:18 | raptor | I could of course just do this in a really ugly java app |
| 00:51:29 | kaen | or a really ugly node app |
| 00:51:36 | raptor | nodejs? |
| 00:51:38 | kaen | yeah |
| 00:51:48 | kaen | you could use it as a backend |
| 00:52:03 | kaen | I don't think I see an advantage in js here |
| 00:52:12 | raptor | huh, ok |
| 00:52:15 | kaen | over java anyway |
| 00:52:28 | raptor | ok |
| 00:52:46 | raptor | yeah... or maybe... maybe i'll do .NET! now that microsoft is open-sourcing it :) |
| 00:52:53 | kaen | that's right :) |
| 00:54:03 | raptor | ok, now for a bitfighter question - |
| 00:54:24 | raptor | the major impediment to getting us to use emscripten (besides waiting for SDL2 support) is the threading |
| 00:54:37 | kaen | hmm, interesting |
| 00:54:55 | kaen | web workers exist now, I would expect thread support to be available in modern browsers |
| 00:55:31 | raptor | in thoery, could we change tnlThread to just run on the main thread if compiled with a BF_NO_THREADING define? |
| 00:56:06 | kaen | we could |
| 00:56:27 | raptor | see the first bullet point here on emscripten + threading: https://kripken.github.io/emscripten-site/docs/porting/guidelines/portability_guidelines.html |
| 00:56:43 | raptor | i'm not very familiar with the web worker technology |
| 00:57:02 | kaen | me either, but that is correct |
| 00:57:11 | kaen | working on the main thread seems fine |
| 00:58:15 | kaen | I'm not sure, but I think it might block the UI though |
| 00:58:33 | kaen | hmm, actually maybe not with a render callback |
| 00:58:55 | raptor | yeah, i'd expect it to block... unless we did something tricky |
| 00:59:52 | kaen | well, I was thinking we could swap out anything that blocks with an async poller |
| 01:00:35 | kaen | instead of a for loop or whatever, a setTimeout(0, ...) lock |
| 01:01:26 | raptor | i think we have most of those for loops in the threads themselves |
| 01:01:44 | raptor | oh duh, of course we do... now i understand what you mean |
| 01:03:06 | raptor | my name is up in #debian-mentors |
| 01:03:42 | kaen | so awesome!! |
| 01:03:56 | kaen | this is the furthest we've ever gotten |
| 01:04:40 | kaen | hopefully upstream accepts that patch :3 |
| 01:04:48 | raptor | haha |
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| 01:09:10 | kaen | for some reason I wrote like I had to define them first :p |
| 01:09:28 | kaen | like licenses were un-lifted functions |
| 01:14:47 | kaen | I don't think I removed the .desktop and man files, just stopped cmake from installing them |
| 01:15:07 | kaen | iirc they get installed automatically by the package, could be wrong though |
| 01:15:48 | kaen | Everything I did was to fix specific lintian warnings :x |
| 01:16:05 | raptor | me too! :) |
| 01:16:17 | raptor | this is cool, i'm trying to fix these fast while I have him here... |
| 01:16:37 | kaen | so awesome to have it reviewed in real time |
| 01:19:46 | raptor | kaen: can you help my on this last question? |
| 01:21:37 | kaen | that is correct |
| 01:21:39 | kaen | sorry, was afk |
| 01:22:06 | kaen | +dfsg is because it was manually repacked to remove binaries, generated files, and resources included in other packages |
| 01:22:23 | kaen | I'll help write that rule |
| 01:22:41 | kaen | we can basically use the tarball packing script I wrote before, with some additions |
| 01:23:06 | raptor | ok |
| 01:23:16 | kaen | we can reliably make a get-orig-source target in debian/rules |
| 01:23:28 | kaen | saves upstream some work :) |
| 01:23:33 | raptor | haha |
| 01:24:01 | kaen | or we could just generate +dfsg tarballs with a script |
| 01:24:06 | kaen | sounds like that would be better |
| 01:25:17 | raptor | ok |
| 01:27:58 | raptor | git push |
| 01:28:00 | raptor | oops |
| 01:28:07 | raptor | i'm pushing my recent changes |
| 01:30:25 | kaen | nooooooooooo |
| 01:30:30 | kaen | don't be pedantic pabs :< |
| 01:30:31 | raptor | NOOOOooooo |
| 01:32:14 | kaen | my reaction if he asks us to package the fonts: http://i.imgur.com/wUFn861.gif |
| 01:34:49 | kaen | oops |
| 01:34:57 | kaen | just realized no copyright entries for those fonts |
| 01:35:03 | raptor | SSHHhhhh |
| 01:35:06 | kaen | and a handful of the external lua scripts |
| 01:35:12 | raptor | SHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhh |
| 01:35:16 | kaen | :| |
| 01:35:17 | raptor | :) |
| 01:35:20 | kaen | :) |
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| 01:37:55 | Nothing_Much | lol |
| 01:38:12 | Nothing_Much | kaen: is packaging fonts a hard thing to do? |
| 01:38:39 | kaen | HRRRRNNNNGNGGGG |
| 01:38:48 | kaen | not particularly |
| 01:38:56 | kaen | but debian packaging is just a pain |
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| 01:47:25 | raptor | kaen: do we still use orbitron? |
| 01:47:48 | kaen | not to my knowledge |
| 01:55:05 | kaen | lol |
| 01:56:21 | kaen | bullet dodged! |
| 01:56:32 | raptor | phoew! |
| 02:22:03 | raptor | oh man |
| 02:22:10 | raptor | that was somewhat intense |
| 02:22:16 | raptor | pabs is very thorough |
| 02:41:38 | raptor | ok kaen, i've filtered out the review into a list. Here are the remaining items: http://pastie.org/9850513 |
| 02:41:43 | raptor | i need to sleep now |
| 02:41:46 | raptor | good night! |
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| 11:34:55 | raptor | good day! |
| 11:35:46 | koda | raptor day! |
| 11:36:14 | raptor | hi koda |
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| 12:01:27 | Watusimoto | pasting this just a reference for discussion later: |
| 12:01:29 | Watusimoto | 2. vertex dragging with shift will replace the object under the mouse with the smallest index vertex |
| 12:01:40 | Watusimoto | gotta run! |
| 12:02:02 | | BFLogBot Commit: a94c256225 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Reverse logic for reduced nesting |
| 12:02:04 | | BFLogBot Commit: f6ced173db | Author: watusimoto | Message: And again |
| 12:02:05 | | BFLogBot Commit: ed3606e3d8 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Reduce repeated code |
| 12:02:07 | | BFLogBot Commit: 4a4ec7c55a | Author: watusimoto | Message: Comment |
| 12:03:32 | koda | watusimoto: hi! |
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| 13:02:20 | watusimoto | morning! |
| 13:06:45 | kaen | morning! |
| 13:06:59 | kaen | had an eventful night in debian land |
| 13:18:07 | watusimoto | how so? |
| 13:18:26 | watusimoto | same plot as Where The Wild Things Are? |
| 13:18:41 | watusimoto | or more of a Goodnight Moon scenario? |
| 13:19:09 | watusimoto | or was it really Go The Fuck To Sleep kind of thing? |
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| 13:20:47 | kaen | lol, I don't know about any of that |
| 13:20:53 | watusimoto | raptor sent me a long chat log I can review |
| 13:20:54 | kaen | did you get raptor's email? |
| 13:20:56 | kaen | ah yeah |
| 13:20:59 | kaen | that sums it up |
| 13:21:00 | watusimoto | haven't read it yet |
| 13:21:03 | watusimoto | will do so |
| 13:21:16 | kaen | he got a first pass done and we got back a list of action items |
| 13:21:24 | kaen | but definitely a few steps closer than ever |
| 13:21:40 | kaen | there are some questions in there for you, mostly about the attribution and sources for different resources |
| 13:22:06 | watusimoto | http://www.amazon.com/Where-Wild-Things-Maurice-Sendak/dp/0064431789/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1421950876&sr=8-1&keywords=where+the+wild+things+are&pebp=1421950878007&peasin=64431789 http://www.amazon.com/Goodnight-Moon-Margaret-Wise-Brown/dp/0694003611/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1421950896&sr=8-1&keywords=goodnight+moon&pebp=1421950897289&peasin=694003611 http://www.amazon.com/Go-F-Sleep-Adam-Mansbach/dp/1617750255/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie |
| 13:22:15 | watusimoto | sorry... there's 3 links in htere |
| 13:22:24 | watusimoto | I thought maybe they'd get formatted nicer |
| 13:23:35 | kaen | ahaha |
| 13:23:43 | kaen | I knew about the first two, never heard of the 3rd |
| 13:24:24 | watusimoto | You can hear it read by a real pro |
| 13:24:25 | watusimoto | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sOA_U3-HOs |
| 13:40:10 | watusimoto | wow, those debian guys are thorough! |
| 13:40:23 | watusimoto | hmmm... that word doesn't look right |
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| 14:13:49 | raptor | hello |
| 14:13:55 | raptor | thorough |
| 14:13:58 | raptor | hmm |
| 14:14:12 | raptor | yes, he spent 80 min. on the review |
| 14:14:53 | raptor | watusimoto: here is the list of actions from that chat log that still need to be done: http://pastie.org/9850513 |
| 14:15:16 | raptor | some will require patching from us as we're not quite perfectly 'free software' |
| 14:18:02 | koda | watusimoto: hi! |
| 14:24:07 | raptor | despite it's popularity, that's gotta be one of the worst children's books you could possible read your kid |
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| 14:45:14 | watusimoto | hi koda |
| 14:45:32 | watusimoto | the perfect is the enemy of the really great |
| 14:45:52 | watusimoto | raptor: I don;t think it's meant to be read to kids :-) |
| 14:46:28 | watusimoto | I was surpised at the level of detail the debian guy went into. He clearly understood some aspects of our project better than I do |
| 14:46:41 | raptor | haha, that's exactly what i thought too |
| 14:46:43 | watusimoto | he really dug in, took nothing for granted |
| 14:47:10 | watusimoto | I at least have an excuse; the stuff he was analyzing was mostly written by you, no? |
| 14:47:27 | kaen_mbp | parts that needed fixing were mostly me :P |
| 14:47:34 | raptor | the first half of the review was the debian stuff by me and kaen, yes |
| 14:47:43 | raptor | the latter half was our coe/resources |
| 14:47:52 | raptor | *code |
| 14:48:07 | watusimoto | well, anyway.... what resources do we need to fix? the font issue? |
| 14:48:20 | kaen_mbp | my dog is burying his bacon treat in the sheets |
| 14:48:25 | kaen_mbp | using his snout to cover it up even |
| 14:48:27 | watusimoto | sleep well! |
| 14:48:32 | kaen_mbp | lol |
| 14:48:39 | raptor | so we have 2 fonts we're including... we need to get rid of them or replace them with others that are already packaged in debian |
| 14:48:50 | kaen_mbp | I think I was mistaken about orbitron |
| 14:48:53 | watusimoto | the main font and the webdings font? |
| 14:48:57 | kaen_mbp | isn't it used in the F2 display? |
| 14:49:04 | raptor | or... we package them ourselves in debian... which i think we should not do |
| 14:49:07 | raptor | because of the work required |
| 14:49:08 | watusimoto | we don't actually use orbitron, I think |
| 14:49:12 | kaen_mbp | oh nice |
| 14:49:14 | raptor | i checked, you were right kaen_mbp |
| 14:49:18 | kaen_mbp | woo! |
| 14:49:19 | raptor | no orbitron anywhere |
| 14:49:29 | kaen_mbp | so just the glyphs |
| 14:49:29 | raptor | Modern-Vision is considered non-free |
| 14:49:32 | kaen_mbp | oh yeah |
| 14:49:34 | watusimoto | we use it in our trailer |
| 14:49:43 | raptor | the glyphs are used in one place: the DB icon n the F2 display |
| 14:49:56 | watusimoto | we could probably replace the glyphs font with another one |
| 14:50:03 | raptor | which we can draw with GL, even |
| 14:50:05 | watusimoto | and just do it globally for all builds |
| 14:50:08 | watusimoto | yes, or that |
| 14:50:17 | kaen_mbp | I think we should find a truly OSS glyph font |
| 14:50:31 | raptor | that glyph font is truly OSS |
| 14:50:32 | watusimoto | do we only use it for the database icon? |
| 14:50:33 | kaen_mbp | I thought the db icon was a nice touch, could work well in other places |
| 14:50:38 | kaen_mbp | oh? |
| 14:50:46 | raptor | yes, it's just not packaged in debian |
| 14:50:47 | kaen_mbp | they just insist that we package it |
| 14:50:50 | kaen_mbp | I see |
| 14:50:51 | raptor | yes |
| 14:50:59 | raptor | Modern-Vision is the non-free one... |
| 14:51:05 | raptor | despite being... you know... free |
| 14:51:11 | watusimoto | I don't actually like the icon we (I?) chose; this might be a good chance to improve it |
| 14:51:38 | raptor | draw simple DB with GL: and oval, two sides, rounded bottom |
| 14:51:42 | raptor | *an |
| 14:51:47 | watusimoto | I don't know of any good globally understood symbol for "it's in the database, silly!" |
| 14:51:51 | raptor | honestly, i've never noticed that icon |
| 14:52:05 | raptor | it only shows when hosting local database levels, i think |
| 14:52:27 | watusimoto | the icon should show up for every level that was found in pleaides |
| 14:52:45 | watusimoto | it shows you the level can be voted on |
| 14:52:46 | kaen_mbp | I see it on the pleiades server |
| 14:52:49 | raptor | oh hey, it does |
| 14:52:51 | raptor | my bad |
| 14:52:55 | watusimoto | and has been rated |
| 14:53:17 | watusimoto | so maybe that's the key thing... not that it's in the database, but rather that it can be voted on |
| 14:53:26 | watusimoto | maybe we find an icon to represent that |
| 14:53:29 | kaen_mbp | that's a good way to think of it |
| 14:53:34 | watusimoto | "votable" |
| 14:53:39 | watusimoto | voteable ?? |
| 14:53:49 | watusimoto | voteble??? |
| 14:53:58 | watusimoto | votabel???? |
| 14:53:59 | raptor | worse comes to worse we can just not include it - i'm more worried about that Modern-Vision |
| 14:53:59 | kaen_mbp | simple text might work |
| 14:54:05 | kaen_mbp | grey -1/+1 |
| 14:54:13 | kaen_mbp | turn green/red for the rating you've given it |
| 14:54:16 | watusimoto | modern vision is our main game font? |
| 14:54:33 | watusimoto | kaen_mbp: that's a good idea |
| 14:54:55 | kaen_mbp | I honestly don't know that "database" is a commonly understood term |
| 14:55:02 | watusimoto | indeed |
| 14:55:07 | kaen_mbp | so I think focusing on votability is great |
| 14:55:11 | kaen_mbp | voteability? |
| 14:55:15 | watusimoto | yes |
| 14:55:17 | watusimoto | that's it |
| 14:56:08 | watusimoto | raptor: is modern-vision a "free" font? |
| 14:56:15 | watusimoto | is the only issue that it's not already in debian? |
| 14:56:44 | kaen_mbp | that is my understanding |
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| 14:59:05 | raptor | no |
| 14:59:07 | raptor | it is non-free |
| 14:59:21 | raptor | is has a CC license with ND |
| 14:59:29 | kaen_mbp | ohh right |
| 14:59:34 | raptor | ND means no-derivatives which means debian will not include it |
| 14:59:44 | raptor | so it needs to be replaced |
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| 15:01:06 | raptor | modern-vision is used for: FPS display, Level info head line, Loadout indicator, scoreboard headline, helper menu headline |
| 15:01:30 | raptor | shown in FontManager.cpp:240 |
| 15:01:35 | raptor | ok, meeting, back later! |
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| 15:19:53 | watusimoto | maybe we should just find another font that has a similar look and better license and be done with it |
| 15:21:17 | kaen | I think so |
| 15:21:27 | kaen | we should try to starting using fonts already in debian |
| 15:21:36 | watusimoto | finding fonts is always a pain |
| 15:21:48 | watusimoto | after you've seen about 20 of them, you go numb |
| 15:22:07 | kaen | As someone who did freelance webdev, I know that feeling all too well :< |
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| 15:23:20 | kaen | bah, seems like there's no way to view a list of debian fonts |
| 15:23:25 | kaen | without actually running debian |
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| 15:42:04 | | BFLogBot watusimoto/kaen: Debian fonts from apt-cache: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=QGDfdZ8G |
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| 16:28:59 | raptor | yes, what BFLogBot said |
| 16:28:59 | BFLogBot | A voice crackles in Calvin's radio: "Enemy fighters at two o'clock!" "Roger. What should I do until then?" |
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| 16:39:07 | kaen | watusimoto, a more visual version of raptor's list: http://sam6.25u.com/upload/font.jpg |
| 16:45:25 | kaen | actually, use this one: http://sam6.25u.com/upload/font-ttf.jpg |
| 16:45:31 | kaen | narrowed to down to ttf fonts |
| 16:50:08 | watusimoto | whoa... that's big. how did you create it? |
| 16:52:56 | kaen | imagemagick |
| 16:53:10 | kaen | actually, use this one watusimoto http://sam6.25u.com/upload/font-ttf-sorted.jpg |
| 16:53:14 | kaen | sorted for human consumption |
| 16:53:22 | kaen | that's the last one I promise :) |
| 16:54:08 | watusimoto | the only one I saw in that first list, anway, besides Play, which we already use, is Ubuntu Medium |
| 16:54:14 | watusimoto | which isn't really all that great |
| 16:54:27 | kaen | nope |
| 16:54:35 | kaen | one thing I quickly noticed |
| 16:54:36 | watusimoto | Thsi is primarily a headlinish font |
| 16:54:44 | kaen | truly free fonts are not great |
| 16:54:48 | watusimoto | that is, we need a headlinish font |
| 16:54:51 | kaen | yes |
| 16:55:02 | watusimoto | well, the ones in debian certainly aren't |
| 16:55:20 | watusimoto | they aren't very stylish |
| 16:55:24 | kaen | how about the really thick "ubuntu" on that last page? |
| 16:55:27 | kaen | not much flair |
| 16:55:30 | kaen | but maybe a solid standing |
| 16:55:32 | kaen | stand-in |
| 16:55:48 | watusimoto | are the fonts in the two lists the same? |
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| 16:57:00 | watusimoto | what about m+1c,m+1cbold? |
| 16:57:02 | Nothing_Much | kaen: you got a macbook pro? :( |
| 16:57:30 | kaen | for work! |
| 16:57:37 | kaen | same fonts |
| 16:57:54 | kaen | I could live with that, wat |
| 16:57:56 | watusimoto | or heck, perhaps we could jsut use play bold |
| 16:58:03 | kaen | that's a good option too |
| 16:59:07 | watusimoto | or EncodeSansCondensed |
| 16:59:19 | watusimoto | one of the heavier; perhaps 4th from the bottom |
| 16:59:41 | watusimoto | I think, if possible, we'd do this for Debian only... |
| 16:59:57 | watusimoto | as I don't really like any of those better than what we've got |
| 17:00:15 | kaen | good news: I just found a ton more font packages |
| 17:00:20 | kaen | installing them and regenerating |
| 17:13:52 | kaen | wow I had maybe 5% of the ttf fonts in debian in that list |
| 17:14:43 | watusimoto | oh great! Now I have 20x the number fonts to page through! :-) |
| 17:15:02 | watusimoto | though that's an easier way to view them than perusing the fonts websites |
| 17:17:29 | kaen | gah |
| 17:17:30 | kaen | I think |
| 17:17:41 | kaen | I think my shell script is hitting the character limit for a single command line? |
| 17:21:34 | watusimoto | impossible! linux has no limit! longer, longer, longer! |
| 17:23:09 | Nothing_Much | I have a question, if there's a phone that supports standard OpenGL (not GLES), can I run Bitfighter? |
| 17:23:15 | Nothing_Much | *run bf out of the box |
| 17:23:31 | watusimoto | what os? |
| 17:23:43 | Nothing_Much | Ubuntu! (GNU/Linux) |
| 17:23:44 | watusimoto | but probably not |
| 17:23:47 | watusimoto | oh |
| 17:23:48 | Nothing_Much | oh darn |
| 17:23:49 | watusimoto | maybe |
| 17:23:53 | Nothing_Much | oh nice |
| 17:24:03 | watusimoto | it runs linux? |
| 17:24:10 | watusimoto | maybe it will work |
| 17:24:11 | Nothing_Much | Ubuntu is GNU/Linux :3 |
| 17:24:26 | watusimoto | yes, it probably will |
| 17:24:36 | watusimoto | controls will be a bit iffy |
| 17:24:41 | watusimoto | so it may not be practical |
| 17:24:49 | Nothing_Much | awesome, so I'll be looking for a phone that I can connect a blutooth controller to! |
| 17:24:50 | kaen | controls will almost certainly not work |
| 17:25:01 | kaen | but if there's a desktop-like build environment, it will compile and run |
| 17:25:13 | watusimoto | if you have a controller, it might work |
| 17:25:18 | kaen | yes |
| 17:25:29 | kaen | that would be pretty cool :) |
| 17:25:33 | Nothing_Much | kaen: did you see Unity 8's build environment stuff? o.o |
| 17:25:41 | watusimoto | I think you can define your own controllers in an INI file if the ones out-of-the-box don't work |
| 17:25:46 | kaen | nope |
| 17:25:54 | kaen | haven't ever really looked at Unity |
| 17:25:59 | kaen | the game IDE right? |
| 17:26:03 | Nothing_Much | kaen: dude, Ubuntu's Unity 8 is getting really really really good |
| 17:26:04 | Nothing_Much | no no |
| 17:26:06 | watusimoto | if you need a new controller profile, we can include it with future releases |
| 17:26:07 | kaen | oh |
| 17:26:07 | Nothing_Much | Ubuntu |
| 17:26:09 | Nothing_Much | lol |
| 17:26:45 | Nothing_Much | watusimoto: I'm probably going to try out the Steam controller which is a lot different than D-pads and analog sticks |
| 17:27:32 | watusimoto | well, it will be an interesting experiment. we have some tools to help figure out how to map the joystick |
| 17:27:39 | Nothing_Much | http://www.gamespot.com/articles/steam-controller-design-reportedly-finalized-more-/1100-6424515/ |
| 17:27:46 | watusimoto | (built into the game) |
| 17:27:46 | Nothing_Much | those two big circles are touchpads |
| 17:27:49 | Nothing_Much | nice |
| 17:28:11 | kaen | "convert.im6: Maximum supported image dimension is 65500 pixels" |
| 17:28:24 | watusimoto | ha! |
| 17:28:33 | watusimoto | convert is imgmagick? |
| 17:28:36 | kaen | yes |
| 17:28:41 | watusimoto | and it has limits???? |
| 17:28:54 | watusimoto | first im failure I've heard of! |
| 17:29:29 | watusimoto | Nothing_Much: if it has 4 shoulder buttons (hard to tell from pic) it should be fine |
| 17:29:49 | Nothing_Much | yeah it probably will |
| 17:30:08 | watusimoto | well if/when you get your gear, let us know |
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| 17:30:48 | kaen_mbp | cool, I exhausted all 16G of physical memory and 10G of swap |
| 17:31:12 | kaen_mbp | and by cool I mean knrl |
| 17:31:43 | Nothing_Much | watusimoto: will do! |
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| 17:37:38 | watusimoto | kaen: I see a bright light on the northern horizon... is that the glow from your computer as you try to illustrate these fonts? |
| 17:38:06 | kaen | lmao |
| 17:38:14 | watusimoto | or is that just 400 dudes driving on the beach with their high beams on? |
| 17:38:32 | kaen | I think my eight cores are about to go critical |
| 17:39:39 | kaen | font size cut in half, many more options: http://sam6.25u.com/upload/1font-ttf.jpg |
| 17:40:02 | kaen | they should really have this as a web service |
| 17:40:10 | kaen | seems better than most font search sites |
| 17:40:22 | kaen | regarding selection and licensing anyway |
| 17:40:26 | kaen | watusimoto, ^ |
| 17:43:29 | kaen | I'm like genuinely impressed by some of these |
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| 17:44:40 | kaen | "crackman" would be fun |
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| 17:48:13 | | BFLogBot raptor favors Comic Sans |
| 17:54:25 | kaen | Watusimoto_, http://sam6.25u.com/upload/1font-ttf.jpg |
| 18:33:40 | watusimoto | I'm nervous about clicking that link |
| 18:38:15 | watusimoto | chrome is almost overwhelmed |
| 18:40:17 | kaen | barely working |
| 18:40:21 | kaen | the best type of working. |
| 18:41:20 | kaen | I just realized I could have used a monochrome gif |
| 18:41:33 | kaen | instead of a full-blown jpg |
| 19:01:50 | watusimoto | ah yes, might have been better |
| 19:01:57 | watusimoto | these are the ones I found: |
| 19:01:58 | watusimoto | http://hastebin.com/igijuvexel.txt |
| 19:02:07 | watusimoto | I would encourage any other interested parties to make their own lists |
| 19:02:27 | watusimoto | becauase, for example, I completely skipped over Play, which is one I really like |
| 19:02:35 | watusimoto | but there are so many my mind didn't see it |
| 19:02:45 | watusimoto | so there may be others that are good as well |
| 19:03:05 | watusimoto | the list has 16 fonts, all of which I want to look at again after the fatigue has worn off |
| 19:03:30 | watusimoto | and perhaps with bigger samples, or a in a on-black context |
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| 19:18:46 | raptor | kaen: those two links are the same |
| 19:32:10 | kaen | I was just spamming him in case he missed the first since. I usually miss stuff when I switch machines |
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| 20:29:11 | raptor | kaen: have you done any of the debian review tasks since last night? If not, i'm going to do the low-hanging fruit |
| 20:30:03 | kaen | I have not |
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| 20:34:02 | raptor | crazy idea - how about coding a fallback font if one is not available |
| 20:34:16 | raptor | so like... no Modern-Visoin? OK, take Play |
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| 20:59:39 | kaen | that's ok with me |
| 21:02:10 | watusimoto | I think the fallback is unneccessary -- if one font fails, won't they all? |
| 21:02:38 | watusimoto | and we always have roman :-) |
| 21:04:03 | raptor | because we will be removing specific ones just for debian :) |
| 21:04:15 | raptor | e.g. Font-Play-hinting falls back to Font-Play |
| 21:04:29 | raptor | Modern-Vision -> Font-Play-Bold or whatever |
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| 21:40:06 | raptor | interesting article: https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/the-paradoxes-that-threaten-to-tear-modern-cosmology-apart-d334a7fcfdb6 |
| 21:44:05 | watusimoto | off to my first-ever professional basketball game! |
| 21:44:11 | watusimoto | I'm the starting point-guard! |
| 21:44:22 | raptor | for compensation!? |
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| 21:54:30 | raptor | there is obviously a lot i don't know about watusimoto if he's the starting point-guard on a professional basketball team... |
| 22:03:14 | raptor | kaen: how did you generate that XPM again? |
| 22:03:23 | kaen | it was already there |
| 22:03:46 | kaen | wait what? |
| 22:03:51 | kaen | so many questions |
| 22:04:18 | raptor | sorry... context... the .xpm file for the debian build. did you generate that or know how it was generated? |
| 22:04:28 | kaen | yes, that was already there |
| 22:04:37 | kaen | I was "what"ing wat's announcement |
| 22:04:50 | raptor | ha, yeah me too |
| 22:06:26 | raptor | huh |
| 22:06:36 | raptor | looks like you're right - you had resized it once... then I moved it once |
| 22:06:48 | raptor | watusimoto must have put that there.. |
| 22:07:36 | raptor | actually, i don't even like it... maybe i'll take this opportunity to generate it from something else |
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| 22:52:31 | raptor | kaen: what's the proper process for removing more files from the debian source tarball? |
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| 22:56:20 | kaen | uhhh |
| 22:56:23 | kaen | repacking it |
| 22:56:25 | kaen | is it binary? |
| 22:56:44 | raptor | some are, yeah, like the orbitron ttf font |
| 22:56:48 | kaen | hmm |
| 22:56:55 | kaen | not sure, maybe -mentors knows |
| 22:57:17 | raptor | how did you make the changes between 'upstream' and 'master'? |
| 22:57:23 | kaen | patches |
| 22:57:25 | kaen | but |
| 22:57:33 | kaen | removing files is a different thing from what I gather |
| 22:57:37 | kaen | in particular binary files |
| 22:57:48 | kaen | maybe |
| 22:57:53 | kaen | with get-orig-source? |
| 22:57:59 | raptor | i see the pristine-tar branch... with a large binary delta in there |
| 22:58:08 | kaen | hmm |
| 22:58:15 | kaen | that really shouldn't be there |
| 22:58:20 | raptor | i wonder if that's how the magic... oh? |
| 22:58:42 | kaen | maybe that's a result of me blowing away the history of the old repo? |
| 22:58:45 | kaen | argh |
| 22:58:58 | kaen | the old repo would have had a huge binary delta |
| 22:59:18 | raptor | eh, don't worry about it for now - i was just curious if there was an easy answer |
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| 23:04:24 | raptor | oh good, the baskeyball-pro has returned |
| 23:05:44 | kaen | this whole time we thought he was a GIS specialist. turns out he was actually a globe trotter :) |
| 23:06:06 | kaen | there's a cartography pun in there somewhere, but I couldn't suss it out |
| 23:12:21 | raptor | haha |
| 23:36:54 | kaen | just a heads up |
| 23:37:02 | kaen | I deleted the phallic levels from pleiades |
| 23:37:19 | kaen | send them my way if anyone brings it up |
| 23:37:24 | raptor | ok |
| 23:38:26 | raptor | I think I stand by that decision, despite wanting pleiades to be inclusive |
| 23:42:08 | raptor | i've mangled my debian git project badly... nothing builds anymore argh |
| 23:47:37 | kaen | :x |
| 23:48:22 | raptor | also dpkg-source --commit does weird things that mangle git repositories |
| 23:54:07 | kaen | that's really weird |
| 23:54:10 | kaen | it shouldn't |
| 23:54:18 | raptor | well, not directly |
| 23:54:23 | raptor | indirectly... |
| 23:54:57 | kaen | are you using anything like this: https://github.com/magicmonty/bash-git-prompt |
| 23:55:06 | raptor | no no |
| 23:55:27 | raptor | it's not really as drastic as I make it out to be, just that i'm in some state that won't build |
| 23:55:34 | kaen | ah, I see |
| 23:59:39 | raptor | watusimoto / Watusimoto_, where did you get the menu music? I need it to find the copyright info for debian |
