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| 00:19:13 | raptor | OK watusimoto1/ Watusimoto: here are the debian fonts, picture is 13 MB: http://sam6.25u.com/upload/4font-ttf.png |
| 00:19:27 | raptor | modern-vision is in that one for reference |
| 00:20:10 | Watusimoto | Is that the one you pasted earlier? |
| 00:20:22 | Watusimoto | (and hi) |
| 00:20:28 | raptor | yes, but wider to see all the text |
| 00:20:46 | Watusimoto | are all those fonts "legal"? |
| 00:21:02 | raptor | yes... at least, they are all from a debian testing system |
| 00:21:17 | Watusimoto | ok, that's probably good enough for the moment |
| 00:21:26 | raptor | hi |
| 00:21:46 | Watusimoto | what I'd really like to see is just the fonts that we're considering (the list I posted earlier, plus a couple that kaen suggested) |
| 00:21:57 | Watusimoto | because that list is just too much to be manageable |
| 00:22:12 | raptor | sure, i can do that... but all but 2 or 3 in that list you posted are here |
| 00:22:18 | raptor | let me start editing the graphic |
| 00:22:39 | Watusimoto | I don't have the ones of kaen that I liked here, but one of them was KinKaid |
| 00:22:59 | Watusimoto | then we'll have a nice compact list from which to choose |
| 00:23:07 | raptor | ok, let me get those... give me 5 minutes |
| 00:23:18 | Watusimoto | no hurry |
| 00:23:25 | raptor | 10 min. then :) |
| 00:33:36 | raptor | Watusimoto: http://sam6.25u.com/upload/1Untitled.png |
| 00:33:52 | raptor | those are what i could find in debian from yours and kaen's list |
| 00:37:14 | raptor | oh wait, there's a few more from kaen... one moment |
| 00:38:48 | Watusimoto | hmmm.... the simpleHull function isn't producing what I'd expect |
| 00:38:58 | Watusimoto | at least not on the test dataset I created |
| 00:44:21 | raptor | Watusimoto: updated list with some of kaen's + Play: http://sam6.25u.com/upload/2Untitled.png |
| 00:44:40 | raptor | also, many of the geometric functions require a certain sanitization of input |
| 00:46:15 | Watusimoto | that font display is much more helpful! |
| 00:47:15 | raptor | unexplored galaxies is about the same size as modern-vision |
| 00:47:55 | Watusimoto | I don't really like any of them |
| 00:48:05 | raptor | yeah me neither... except modern-vision |
| 00:48:13 | Watusimoto | yes |
| 00:48:16 | Watusimoto | and play |
| 00:48:21 | raptor | yes, and Play |
| 00:49:18 | Watusimoto | so, we've picked well |
| 00:49:38 | Watusimoto | do you know if modern-vision is legal for debian? |
| 00:51:04 | raptor | it is not |
| 00:51:10 | raptor | it's the one we need to replace |
| 00:51:25 | raptor | it is licensed as CC-BY-SA-ND |
| 00:51:27 | Watusimoto | I know that |
| 00:51:27 | raptor | or something |
| 00:51:33 | Watusimoto | ah, ok |
| 00:51:42 | raptor | what do you know? |
| 00:51:47 | Watusimoto | I was wondering if we could package it for debian, but it sounds like know |
| 00:52:01 | raptor | the 'ND' part stands for 'non-debian' :) |
| 00:52:02 | Watusimoto | like no |
| 00:52:04 | Watusimoto | ha |
| 00:52:38 | Watusimoto | ok, so let's do this: how about if MV is not available, we default back to play |
| 00:52:45 | Watusimoto | and we just exclude MV from the package |
| 00:52:48 | raptor | that's what I was thinking |
| 00:52:58 | raptor | I was about to patch debian to do that |
| 00:53:01 | Watusimoto | this is such a pain |
| 00:53:05 | raptor | PAIN |
| 00:53:12 | Watusimoto | yes, you are bearing the brunt |
| 00:53:39 | Watusimoto | debian feels about as free as the soviet communist party was |
| 00:53:46 | Watusimoto | it's a worker's paradise |
| 00:53:59 | raptor | but i've kept a good attitude, i think, and it has helped with the process - i was not expecting to get a review at all that quickly |
| 00:54:02 | Watusimoto | free free free |
| 00:54:18 | Watusimoto | yes, you've been very patient and polite! :-) |
| 00:54:26 | raptor | soviet's paradise! all the gold you want, but stand in line for your daily ration of bread |
| 00:54:50 | Watusimoto | I've noticed that you and I have different things we can tolerate |
| 00:54:56 | raptor | heh, yes |
| 00:55:02 | Watusimoto | you deal with debain, I'll deal with pygames |
| 00:55:12 | Watusimoto | not pygames |
| 00:55:15 | Watusimoto | pyarc |
| 00:55:18 | Watusimoto | whatever |
| 00:55:20 | raptor | oh man... those guys... yeah, i hard time with them |
| 00:55:26 | raptor | it had to be a communication error |
| 00:55:26 | Watusimoto | those guys that really got to you |
| 00:55:39 | raptor | i just could not grasp what they were trying to say |
| 00:55:52 | Watusimoto | I enjoyed our side-conversation :-) |
| 00:55:55 | raptor | haha |
| 00:56:04 | Watusimoto | oops... darrel is on this channel :-) |
| 00:56:39 | Watusimoto | so will the auto updater work on debian? |
| 00:57:20 | raptor | I had to remove it from the source to comply with debian's guidelines since it has windows-specific .dlls in there |
| 00:57:45 | raptor | they have this idea of an 'orig' source tarball |
| 00:58:13 | raptor | and you add +dfsg to it if you had to modify the actual upstream tarball (which I did). dfsg == debian free software guidelines |
| 00:58:31 | Watusimoto | why did I think we had an updater on linux? maybe I was thinking of the alerter |
| 00:58:38 | raptor | you can see it here: https://mentors.debian.net/package/bitfighter |
| 01:00:32 | raptor | oh, the notifier... kaen and i decided to remove that, too, because the python almost doubled the complexity with getting it into debian |
| 01:00:48 | raptor | *python requirement |
| 01:14:22 | Watusimoto | the debian package will be impoverished |
| 01:14:47 | raptor | yes, but it will be sovi... debian! |
| 01:31:09 | raptor | i think that after we get into debian, we can get bitfighter into any distro |
| 01:37:21 | Watusimoto | I think we already can! |
| 01:37:34 | raptor | I wonder if we can get into haiku |
| 01:37:51 | raptor | might be fun, as an exercise, to get bitfighter to run on an esoteric OS |
| 01:38:15 | raptor | ... fun for me |
| 02:03:53 | Watusimoto | yes, and/or bsd |
| 02:04:02 | Watusimoto | man, this convex hull is making me crazy |
| 02:08:33 | Watusimoto | I should never have tried adding a test for 3rd party code |
| 02:08:46 | Watusimoto | because now I don't know if the code is wrong, or if the test is wrong, and why |
| 02:08:52 | Watusimoto | (or why not) |
| 02:08:53 | raptor | eek |
| 02:09:09 | raptor | magic box |
| 02:12:28 | Watusimoto | I just plotted my test data in open office; the test is right |
| 02:12:30 | Watusimoto | dang |
| 02:12:55 | raptor | is this still that rotation bug? |
| 02:13:01 | Watusimoto | yes |
| 02:13:10 | Watusimoto | but now I'm all off on this hull tangent |
| 02:13:25 | raptor | computational geometry always sucked me in... |
| 02:15:46 | Watusimoto | thing is I don't really care, so I'm mostly taking a cut-paste approach |
| 02:16:39 | raptor | i think i have one task left for debian, then I can submit for review again... |
| 02:21:13 | raptor | ok, heading to bed... night! |
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| 03:40:00 | | BFLogBot Commit: e37f2e0b3b | Author: watusimoto | Message: Remove complex hull, use simple fallback calc for walls; not ideal, but much better |
| 03:40:01 | | BFLogBot Commit: 12b130e2ee | Author: watusimoto | Message: Cache point of rotation to make repeated rotations of groups of objects seem more sane; totally eliminates "wandering rotation" syndrome |
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| 05:14:58 | Darrel | haha :) really sucked that you guys couldnt join for gci this year :/ |
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| 11:13:42 | kaen | "Play" actually seems fine to me |
| 11:13:53 | kaen | I really like KinKaid from that latest list too |
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| 13:21:22 | watusimoto1 | hi |
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| 13:49:45 | raptor | good day! |
| 13:59:41 | raptor | kaen: how did you get the lintian warning, no-upstream-changelog, to go away? I seem to recall you didn't have that issue, but I do |
| 14:00:39 | raptor | reference: https://lintian.debian.org/tags/no-upstream-changelog.html |
| 14:01:00 | kaen | I wrote one :) |
| 14:01:06 | kaen | from the release notes on the downloads page |
| 14:01:30 | raptor | ha, ok. could you pastie me that? I assume it had to follow a very specific format... |
| 14:02:43 | kaen | I didn't follow any specific format, but here it is: http://pastie.org/9868973 |
| 14:02:43 | raptor | just whenever you have time... |
| 14:02:49 | raptor | oh hey, great |
| 14:03:01 | raptor | and did you have to reference that somewhere? |
| 14:03:04 | kaen | I didn't get any warnings once I put that in |
| 14:03:15 | kaen | no, I put it in CHANGELOG.txt and it was automatically picked up |
| 14:03:25 | raptor | in the debian/ directory, or the root directory? |
| 14:03:29 | kaen | root |
| 14:03:34 | raptor | oh good |
| 14:03:39 | raptor | I will... slip that in :) |
| 14:03:45 | raptor | I'm almost ready for review again |
| 14:05:14 | raptor | thank you! |
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| 14:35:17 | kaen | sure thing. sorry I've been MIA this week, I got another new client and my existing clients seem to have all caught fire at the same time |
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| 14:51:38 | Nothing_Much | kaen: what does caught fire mean? |
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| 15:23:21 | kaen_mbp | I mean that emergencies have been popping up. For example, last night someone deployed a debugging "print" statement in a hot path to production, which filled the 600GB logging volume overnight (usually has 60 day capacity) and caused logging over the entire cluster to fail |
| 15:23:59 | kaen_mbp | on monday another client introduced a race condition that caused the health check endpoint to fail in rare cases |
| 15:24:12 | kaen_mbp | which lead to nodes being randomly healthed out of the load balancer |
| 15:25:13 | kaen_mbp | ultimately bringing down the site at 3AM, which lead to myself getting a delightful middle-of-the-night-everything-is-burning phone call and subsequent firefighting |
| 15:26:36 | kaen_mbp | I guess this is the universe balancing out my 10 hour work weeks for the last two months :P |
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| 16:27:45 | watusimoto | kaen: my general advice to clients is to stay away from the gasoline. unfortunately, they don't always listen... :-) |
| 16:40:29 | raptor | print statement in production! |
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| 16:40:56 | raptor | when I was an intern, another intern accidentally copied an instant messenger conversation log into a folder on a distributed DVD |
| 16:41:11 | raptor | the conversation was a debate about marriage... |
| 17:12:31 | raptor | also... only one lintian warning left!: https://mentors.debian.net/package/bitfighter |
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| 19:22:21 | raptor | heading home |
| 19:22:59 | Nothing_Much | raptor: wuts that? |
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| 19:23:06 | Nothing_Much | oo |
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| 21:38:05 | raptor | good evening |
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| 22:19:34 | raptor | interesting article: http://priceonomics.com/a-history-of-tug-of-war-fatalities/ |
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| 23:15:28 | raptor | I wish thunderbird would show line numbers |
| 23:19:30 | raptor | OK! I posted my latest debian package! |
| 23:20:52 | Nothing_Much | raptor: woohoo! |
| 23:21:32 | raptor | err... to debian mentors... for approval |
| 23:21:45 | Nothing_Much | still woohoo@! |
| 23:21:47 | Nothing_Much | woohoo!* |
| 23:21:52 | raptor | they'll probably do another review and beat it up again :) |
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