#bitfighter IRC Log

IRC Log for 2016-05-12

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00:35:38 BFLogBot To enter a feature request: https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues
00:45:05 BFLogBot Issue #565 opened by Xelor41023 | Title: Seekers Nerf. | https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/565
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01:52:48 BFLogBot Comment on issue #519 | User: eykamp | Comment: Done.  When implementing it became clear how this "wants" to work... Ships do not trigger onObjectEnteredZone, but other ... | https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/519#issuecomment-218666476
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02:29:28 BFLogBot Comment on issue #519 | User: eykamp | Comment: Done ... | https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/519#issuecomment-218671339
02:29:28 BFLogBot Issue #519 closed by eykamp | Title: [Lua] Is object on zone? | https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/519
02:32:30 BFLogBot Issue #566 opened by eykamp | Title: Fix enum display on the luadocs | https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/566
02:35:54 BFLogBot Repo: bitfighter | Commit: 46414a5b26 | Author: eykamp | Message: Make function const
02:35:56 BFLogBot Repo: bitfighter | Commit: e22d04f634 | Author: eykamp | Message: Whitespace
02:35:57 BFLogBot Repo: bitfighter | Commit: 416c3e0061 | Author: eykamp | Message: Move function def
02:35:59 BFLogBot Repo: bitfighter | Commit: 2f6497f4a7 | Author: eykamp | Message: Be concise!
02:36:00 BFLogBot Repo: bitfighter | Commit: b75ed28ccb | Author: eykamp | Message: Don't need this include
02:36:02 BFLogBot Repo: bitfighter | Commit: dfb8c98692 | Author: eykamp | Message: Make functions const
02:36:03 BFLogBot Repo: bitfighter | Commit: 3e64dcefc0 | Author: eykamp | Message: Remove include
02:36:05 BFLogBot Repo: bitfighter | Commit: fbd1e93227 | Author: eykamp | Message: Add onObjectEnteredZone, onObjectLeftZone events  Issue #519 (Could be backported)
02:36:06 BFLogBot Repo: bitfighter | Commit: c33b1fe5d5 | Author: eykamp | Message: Add some documentation
02:36:08 BFLogBot Repo: bitfighter | Commit: 96d5547f45 | Author: eykamp | Message: Whitespace
02:53:24 BFLogBot Comment on issue #529 | User: Xelor41023 | Comment: This Seems silly but can we give Spy bugs a Circle instead of  a rectangle of range? ... | https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/529#issuecomment-218674859
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03:32:04 BFLogBot Repo: bitfighter | Commit: d44ab02047 | Author: eykamp | Message: Rename function, fix comments
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09:56:40 BFLogBot Comment on issue #565 | User: raptor | Comment: This should be discussed in the forums or in IRC before being an actual issue. ... | https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/565#issuecomment-218764769
09:56:40 BFLogBot Issue #565 closed by raptor | Title: Seekers Nerf. | https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/565
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15:06:38 amgine123 Time For Bitfighter
15:08:20 Void7 yay
15:08:47 KaadmY re-yays
15:16:41 amgine123 re-re-yays
15:16:54 amgine123 Void come back online :(
15:17:01 amgine123 !bugs
15:17:01 BFLogBot To enter a bug: https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues
15:23:39 BFLogBot Issue #567 opened by Xelor41023 | Title: Loading Preset Loadout Does Not Show  Message. | https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/567
15:24:02 amgine123 time for bitfighter ;)
15:24:07 watusimoto hi
15:24:36 amgine123 Was that intentional or a regression wattsimoto?
15:24:59 watusimoto probably not
15:25:04 amgine123 I swear a message used to show up when you used alt+ # to load a preset loadout.
15:25:06 watusimoto I'll need to look at it
15:25:55 amgine123 Also silly question will they be saved or will I haveve to do them every time I start bitfighter
15:26:10 watusimoto I think they are saved in the INI
15:26:53 Void7 amgine123: sorry, i'm working on a game right now
15:50:59 koda Void7: are you sure you're not gaming on work?
15:52:31 Void7 yes, very very sure
15:52:41 Nothing_Much Void7, what game?
15:52:57 Void7 'The Ring of Time'
15:53:02 Void7 it doesn't exist yet tho
15:53:15 Nothing_Much ah so you're developing something on your own?
15:53:27 Void7 yes
15:53:40 Nothing_Much ah that's the case with most devs
15:53:55 Nothing_Much this game should be marketed, tbh
15:56:13 Nothing_Much amgine123, what do you mean by server structure?
15:56:19 amgine123 Not before some major changes are made
15:56:50 amgine123 Having played many many many online games I know what works well and what does not
15:57:04 Nothing_Much we should get more developers, but we have to have incentives for that
15:57:08 Nothing_Much which would require money
15:57:59 amgine123 The levels should be globalized for one
15:58:55 watusimoto are you guys talking about bitfighter or another game?
15:59:09 amgine123 Meaning all levels should be automaticly uploaded to pleadies and instead of  having Levels loaded from a file they are loaded from the server directly that means all levels could be played on all servers
15:59:09 Nothing_Much watusimoto, bitfighter of course
15:59:30 Nothing_Much amgine123, ohh, that makes sense
15:59:42 Void7 current state: https://lut.im/0iBwZfFHH4/S8JK6WJOWO3uExSP.png https://lut.im/Zu588jx2IJ/oZ9A76dcW6h0FGFO.png
16:00:01 Nothing_Much plus since this game is really small, it shouldn't take a long time at all to download the levels
16:00:19 Void7 the screenshot doesn't show much of the actual game, which includes going back in time and slowing down time
16:00:35 Nothing_Much Void7, like Braid?
16:00:49 Void7 maybe
16:00:51 amgine123 A great example of this is a game called Tagpro They use a site called ounfournate maps http://unfortunate-maps.jukejuice.com/
16:00:52 Void7 I don't know much about that
16:01:05 Nothing_Much good luck with that, Void7, but back to bitfighter..
16:01:43 amgine123 So when players create a lobby they can load maps they want from there
16:02:07 Nothing_Much That's a fantastic idea
16:02:17 watusimoto I don't understand what you mean
16:02:20 Nothing_Much But we might need more devs
16:02:26 amgine123 a bad side effect of this is you  might have to disallow guest uploading
16:02:42 amgine123 Not really you have a good framework already
16:02:44 Nothing_Much watusimoto, Basically an easier method of downloading maps
16:03:13 Nothing_Much Where ALL maps are easily downloadable from a single server that's available to whomever is wanting to make their own server
16:03:21 watusimoto ah, I see
16:03:29 Nothing_Much Is what what you're saying, amgine123?
16:03:36 amgine123 I suggested this brefore but you guys always shot me down on this
16:03:43 watusimoto At some point you'll be able to host with levels stored on pleiades
16:03:45 amgine123 and yes
16:04:26 Nothing_Much watusimoto, So you guys have been working on this for a while?
16:04:32 amgine123 Guests would have to be disallowed to upload though to prevent "innapropiate" map spam
16:05:09 amgine123 This would also make map lookup easier cause you could get a map by user if you knew there was a couple 1000 maps of the same name
16:05:10 watusimoto yes, sort of... we've created the foundation for it, which is to move away from using folders and towards using playlists
16:05:17 Nothing_Much It's a limit, but I would say that would be the compromise to have more players
16:05:29 Nothing_Much Because quite frankly, I wish there were a LOT more players of Bitfighter
16:06:10 amgine123 Another major change  that needs to occur is how the moderation is set up
16:06:38 watusimoto I'm really unsure on the player front... we've always been precarious, and in the last year everything collapsed.
16:06:46 Nothing_Much What type of moderation?
16:06:48 amgine123 you absoulty CANNOT give players the power of moderation it should be given to select few for all servers
16:06:51 watusimoto I'm not actually sure if we'll ever rebound
16:07:34 Nothing_Much Accept donations already :(
16:07:36 amgine123 theere should be some mods and admins who moderate all servers instead of giving players the power years of experince has shown me it never works they always abuse it
16:08:01 watusimoto there is nothing that we aren't doing because of money
16:08:43 Nothing_Much I meant for other developers who would want to chip in on this game
16:08:47 amgine123 Having a few set moderaters is always better then letting the players be the mods they always misue the power which I have seen many times already in server currently on bitfighter
16:09:09 Nothing_Much Because honestly, if there were daily players of this game, I'd consider Bitfighter my favorite type of genre
16:09:10 amgine123 I have seen that cause the downfall of MANY MANY MANY games
16:11:34 amgine123 Another thing that needs to change is the way the Servers are hosted
16:12:02 amgine123 If money is a problem I bet you guys could crate a kickstarter for bitfighter
16:12:16 Nothing_Much Money's not a problem for the existing developers, amgine123
16:12:52 amgine123 Well it also has the effect of getting more attention to a game IE getting more players
16:13:30 Nothing_Much Right
16:14:58 amgine123 The way the servers are hosted needs to change as well
16:15:07 Nothing_Much Elaborate, I'm curious
16:15:15 Nothing_Much ( I know nothing about development or programming. :P )
16:16:32 LoneWolfy amgine123: For officially hosted servers, that sounds reasonable, but if you host your own server, you should be the admin of it
16:16:50 LoneWolfy If I host a server and let my friends be admins and they screw around with it, then there's other servers to play on
16:16:57 LoneWolfy Lots of games use this model
16:17:14 LoneWolfy See also: every source game (counterstrike, TF2, etc)
16:17:36 Nothing_Much LoneWolfy, I think that's what he means, but not for the servers that aren't hosted by the client server
16:18:03 LoneWolfy either way, because of the way i do things (complicated and stupid), I always host dedicated
16:18:13 LoneWolfy Even when I can easily host in game with a listen server
16:18:21 LoneWolfy I do that in gmod and tf2 all the time
16:18:33 Nothing_Much A listen server? o.o
16:20:47 LoneWolfy thats what it's called at least in source
16:20:56 LoneWolfy aka "start game" from the menu, but allow people to join in
16:21:00 LoneWolfy hosting from your client
16:21:02 Nothing_Much Oh right
16:21:05 Nothing_Much Yeah, client-server
16:21:09 LoneWolfy the kind that when you leave the game it shuts it down and drops everyone
16:23:40 Nothing_Much Yep
16:23:46 Nothing_Much I call those "client-servers"
16:24:00 Nothing_Much Dedicated servers are the important ones that are always on
16:24:47 LoneWolfy yeah
16:27:10 amgine123 something important that needs to be changed is when a player hosts a server it it hosted on the Global server not on the persons client  this allows more players and more stable servers
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16:40:43 amgine123 IE games are Server > < Server not Client > < Client
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17:15:31 watusimoto we probably won't migrate to centralized hosting... bf also needs to work on lans and such
17:15:50 watusimoto we have a central server that you can play on that is always up
17:18:50 KaadmY redeclipse also does that
17:44:52 amgine123 But HAving a centerlized Server is very important for large player counts to enable stay connections between games ( and lag)
17:45:05 amgine123 Trust me its very important you do that
17:54:02 Nothing_Much watusimoto, LANs are dead because of the likes of Steam
17:54:21 Nothing_Much LAN parties are mostly for competitive gaming these days, not very casual anymore
17:54:36 Nothing_Much The best thing for casual gaming nowadays is centralized hosting
17:55:41 BFLogBot Comment on issue #529 | User: eykamp | Comment: It would be possible, but require a little more computation, and would it really offer any benefit in terms of fun?   O ... | https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/529#issuecomment-218897580
18:09:54 watusimoto I'll think about it
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18:26:03 BFLogBot Comment on issue #529 | User: Xelor41023 | Comment: I think so  It would allow for spy bugs to be more usable in real game situations since all maps are not horizontal some ... | https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/529#issuecomment-218903721
18:26:22 amgine123 !ideas
18:26:22 BFLogBot To enter a feature request: https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues
18:29:58 BFLogBot Issue #568 opened by Xelor41023 | Title: Allow Distance Control on Shots. | https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/568
18:30:00 BFLogBot Comment on issue #529 | User: eykamp | Comment: Maybe a hexagon would look cooler than a circle.  Then we could reshape the spybug in-game as a tiny hexagon, which mig ... | https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/529#issuecomment-218904429
18:31:34 BFLogBot Issue #568 closed by eykamp | Title: Allow Distance Control on Shots. | https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/568
18:31:34 BFLogBot Comment on issue #568 | User: eykamp | Comment: This should be discussed on the forum.  Probably opposed due to complexity, failure to work with controllers, and dubiou ... | https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/568#issuecomment-218904679
18:41:46 BFLogBot Comment on issue #568 | User: Xelor41023 | Comment: For controllers the left stick could control  orientation/ movement and the right stick could control the cursor.  the ... | https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/568#issuecomment-218906472
18:42:59 BFLogBot Comment on issue #529 | User: Xelor41023 | Comment: Hexagons would still favor horizontal and vertical  but not diagonal but circles would give equal footing but in a game  ... | https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/529#issuecomment-218906683
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18:50:00 BFLogBot Comment on issue #529 | User: raptor | Comment: I like hexagons - it's a good compromise between aesthetics and computation requirements. ... | https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/529#issuecomment-218907892
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00:35:38	BFLogBot	To enter a feature request: https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues
00:45:05		BFLogBot Issue #565 opened by Xelor41023 \| Title: Seekers Nerf. \| https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/565
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01:52:48		BFLogBot Comment on issue #519 \| User: eykamp \| Comment: Done. When implementing it became clear how this "wants" to work... Ships do not trigger onObjectEnteredZone, but other ... \| https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/519#issuecomment-218666476
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02:29:28		BFLogBot Comment on issue #519 \| User: eykamp \| Comment: Done ... \| https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/519#issuecomment-218671339
02:29:28		BFLogBot Issue #519 closed by eykamp \| Title: [Lua] Is object on zone? \| https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/519
02:32:30		BFLogBot Issue #566 opened by eykamp \| Title: Fix enum display on the luadocs \| https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/566
02:35:54		BFLogBot Repo: bitfighter \| Commit: 46414a5b26 \| Author: eykamp \| Message: Make function const
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02:35:59		BFLogBot Repo: bitfighter \| Commit: 2f6497f4a7 \| Author: eykamp \| Message: Be concise!
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02:36:05		BFLogBot Repo: bitfighter \| Commit: fbd1e93227 \| Author: eykamp \| Message: Add onObjectEnteredZone, onObjectLeftZone events Issue #519 (Could be backported)
02:36:06		BFLogBot Repo: bitfighter \| Commit: c33b1fe5d5 \| Author: eykamp \| Message: Add some documentation
02:36:08		BFLogBot Repo: bitfighter \| Commit: 96d5547f45 \| Author: eykamp \| Message: Whitespace
02:53:24		BFLogBot Comment on issue #529 \| User: Xelor41023 \| Comment: This Seems silly but can we give Spy bugs a Circle instead of a rectangle of range? ... \| https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/529#issuecomment-218674859
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09:56:40		BFLogBot Comment on issue #565 \| User: raptor \| Comment: This should be discussed in the forums or in IRC before being an actual issue. ... \| https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/565#issuecomment-218764769
09:56:40		BFLogBot Issue #565 closed by raptor \| Title: Seekers Nerf. \| https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/565
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15:06:38	amgine123	Time For Bitfighter
15:08:20	Void7	yay
15:08:47		KaadmY re-yays
15:16:41	amgine123	re-re-yays
15:16:54	amgine123	Void come back online :(
15:17:01	amgine123	!bugs
15:17:01	BFLogBot	To enter a bug: https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues
15:23:39		BFLogBot Issue #567 opened by Xelor41023 \| Title: Loading Preset Loadout Does Not Show Message. \| https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/567
15:24:02	amgine123	time for bitfighter ;)
15:24:07	watusimoto	hi
15:24:36	amgine123	Was that intentional or a regression wattsimoto?
15:24:59	watusimoto	probably not
15:25:04	amgine123	I swear a message used to show up when you used alt+ # to load a preset loadout.
15:25:06	watusimoto	I'll need to look at it
15:25:55	amgine123	Also silly question will they be saved or will I haveve to do them every time I start bitfighter
15:26:10	watusimoto	I think they are saved in the INI
15:26:53	Void7	amgine123: sorry, i'm working on a game right now
15:50:59	koda	Void7: are you sure you're not gaming on work?
15:52:31	Void7	yes, very very sure
15:52:41	Nothing_Much	Void7, what game?
15:52:57	Void7	'The Ring of Time'
15:53:02	Void7	it doesn't exist yet tho
15:53:15	Nothing_Much	ah so you're developing something on your own?
15:53:27	Void7	yes
15:53:40	Nothing_Much	ah that's the case with most devs
15:53:55	Nothing_Much	this game should be marketed, tbh
15:56:13	Nothing_Much	amgine123, what do you mean by server structure?
15:56:19	amgine123	Not before some major changes are made
15:56:50	amgine123	Having played many many many online games I know what works well and what does not
15:57:04	Nothing_Much	we should get more developers, but we have to have incentives for that
15:57:08	Nothing_Much	which would require money
15:57:59	amgine123	The levels should be globalized for one
15:58:55	watusimoto	are you guys talking about bitfighter or another game?
15:59:09	amgine123	Meaning all levels should be automaticly uploaded to pleadies and instead of having Levels loaded from a file they are loaded from the server directly that means all levels could be played on all servers
15:59:09	Nothing_Much	watusimoto, bitfighter of course
15:59:30	Nothing_Much	amgine123, ohh, that makes sense
15:59:42	Void7	current state: https://lut.im/0iBwZfFHH4/S8JK6WJOWO3uExSP.png https://lut.im/Zu588jx2IJ/oZ9A76dcW6h0FGFO.png
16:00:01	Nothing_Much	plus since this game is really small, it shouldn't take a long time at all to download the levels
16:00:19	Void7	the screenshot doesn't show much of the actual game, which includes going back in time and slowing down time
16:00:35	Nothing_Much	Void7, like Braid?
16:00:49	Void7	maybe
16:00:51	amgine123	A great example of this is a game called Tagpro They use a site called ounfournate maps http://unfortunate-maps.jukejuice.com/
16:00:52	Void7	I don't know much about that
16:01:05	Nothing_Much	good luck with that, Void7, but back to bitfighter..
16:01:43	amgine123	So when players create a lobby they can load maps they want from there
16:02:07	Nothing_Much	That's a fantastic idea
16:02:17	watusimoto	I don't understand what you mean
16:02:20	Nothing_Much	But we might need more devs
16:02:26	amgine123	a bad side effect of this is you might have to disallow guest uploading
16:02:42	amgine123	Not really you have a good framework already
16:02:44	Nothing_Much	watusimoto, Basically an easier method of downloading maps
16:03:13	Nothing_Much	Where ALL maps are easily downloadable from a single server that's available to whomever is wanting to make their own server
16:03:21	watusimoto	ah, I see
16:03:29	Nothing_Much	Is what what you're saying, amgine123?
16:03:36	amgine123	I suggested this brefore but you guys always shot me down on this
16:03:43	watusimoto	At some point you'll be able to host with levels stored on pleiades
16:03:45	amgine123	and yes
16:04:26	Nothing_Much	watusimoto, So you guys have been working on this for a while?
16:04:32	amgine123	Guests would have to be disallowed to upload though to prevent "innapropiate" map spam
16:05:09	amgine123	This would also make map lookup easier cause you could get a map by user if you knew there was a couple 1000 maps of the same name
16:05:10	watusimoto	yes, sort of... we've created the foundation for it, which is to move away from using folders and towards using playlists
16:05:17	Nothing_Much	It's a limit, but I would say that would be the compromise to have more players
16:05:29	Nothing_Much	Because quite frankly, I wish there were a LOT more players of Bitfighter
16:06:10	amgine123	Another major change that needs to occur is how the moderation is set up
16:06:38	watusimoto	I'm really unsure on the player front... we've always been precarious, and in the last year everything collapsed.
16:06:46	Nothing_Much	What type of moderation?
16:06:48	amgine123	you absoulty CANNOT give players the power of moderation it should be given to select few for all servers
16:06:51	watusimoto	I'm not actually sure if we'll ever rebound
16:07:34	Nothing_Much	Accept donations already :(
16:07:36	amgine123	theere should be some mods and admins who moderate all servers instead of giving players the power years of experince has shown me it never works they always abuse it
16:08:01	watusimoto	there is nothing that we aren't doing because of money
16:08:43	Nothing_Much	I meant for other developers who would want to chip in on this game
16:08:47	amgine123	Having a few set moderaters is always better then letting the players be the mods they always misue the power which I have seen many times already in server currently on bitfighter
16:09:09	Nothing_Much	Because honestly, if there were daily players of this game, I'd consider Bitfighter my favorite type of genre
16:09:10	amgine123	I have seen that cause the downfall of MANY MANY MANY games
16:11:34	amgine123	Another thing that needs to change is the way the Servers are hosted
16:12:02	amgine123	If money is a problem I bet you guys could crate a kickstarter for bitfighter
16:12:16	Nothing_Much	Money's not a problem for the existing developers, amgine123
16:12:52	amgine123	Well it also has the effect of getting more attention to a game IE getting more players
16:13:30	Nothing_Much	Right
16:14:58	amgine123	The way the servers are hosted needs to change as well
16:15:07	Nothing_Much	Elaborate, I'm curious
16:15:15	Nothing_Much	( I know nothing about development or programming. :P )
16:16:32	LoneWolfy	amgine123: For officially hosted servers, that sounds reasonable, but if you host your own server, you should be the admin of it
16:16:50	LoneWolfy	If I host a server and let my friends be admins and they screw around with it, then there's other servers to play on
16:16:57	LoneWolfy	Lots of games use this model
16:17:14	LoneWolfy	See also: every source game (counterstrike, TF2, etc)
16:17:36	Nothing_Much	LoneWolfy, I think that's what he means, but not for the servers that aren't hosted by the client server
16:18:03	LoneWolfy	either way, because of the way i do things (complicated and stupid), I always host dedicated
16:18:13	LoneWolfy	Even when I can easily host in game with a listen server
16:18:21	LoneWolfy	I do that in gmod and tf2 all the time
16:18:33	Nothing_Much	A listen server? o.o
16:20:47	LoneWolfy	thats what it's called at least in source
16:20:56	LoneWolfy	aka "start game" from the menu, but allow people to join in
16:21:00	LoneWolfy	hosting from your client
16:21:02	Nothing_Much	Oh right
16:21:05	Nothing_Much	Yeah, client-server
16:21:09	LoneWolfy	the kind that when you leave the game it shuts it down and drops everyone
16:23:40	Nothing_Much	Yep
16:23:46	Nothing_Much	I call those "client-servers"
16:24:00	Nothing_Much	Dedicated servers are the important ones that are always on
16:24:47	LoneWolfy	yeah
16:27:10	amgine123	something important that needs to be changed is when a player hosts a server it it hosted on the Global server not on the persons client this allows more players and more stable servers
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16:40:43	amgine123	IE games are Server > < Server not Client > < Client
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17:15:31	watusimoto	we probably won't migrate to centralized hosting... bf also needs to work on lans and such
17:15:50	watusimoto	we have a central server that you can play on that is always up
17:18:50	KaadmY	redeclipse also does that
17:44:52	amgine123	But HAving a centerlized Server is very important for large player counts to enable stay connections between games ( and lag)
17:45:05	amgine123	Trust me its very important you do that
17:54:02	Nothing_Much	watusimoto, LANs are dead because of the likes of Steam
17:54:21	Nothing_Much	LAN parties are mostly for competitive gaming these days, not very casual anymore
17:54:36	Nothing_Much	The best thing for casual gaming nowadays is centralized hosting
17:55:41		BFLogBot Comment on issue #529 \| User: eykamp \| Comment: It would be possible, but require a little more computation, and would it really offer any benefit in terms of fun? O ... \| https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/529#issuecomment-218897580
18:09:54	watusimoto	I'll think about it
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18:26:03		BFLogBot Comment on issue #529 \| User: Xelor41023 \| Comment: I think so It would allow for spy bugs to be more usable in real game situations since all maps are not horizontal some ... \| https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/529#issuecomment-218903721
18:26:22	amgine123	!ideas
18:26:22	BFLogBot	To enter a feature request: https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues
18:29:58		BFLogBot Issue #568 opened by Xelor41023 \| Title: Allow Distance Control on Shots. \| https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/568
18:30:00		BFLogBot Comment on issue #529 \| User: eykamp \| Comment: Maybe a hexagon would look cooler than a circle. Then we could reshape the spybug in-game as a tiny hexagon, which mig ... \| https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/529#issuecomment-218904429
18:31:34		BFLogBot Issue #568 closed by eykamp \| Title: Allow Distance Control on Shots. \| https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/568
18:31:34		BFLogBot Comment on issue #568 \| User: eykamp \| Comment: This should be discussed on the forum. Probably opposed due to complexity, failure to work with controllers, and dubiou ... \| https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/568#issuecomment-218904679
18:41:46		BFLogBot Comment on issue #568 \| User: Xelor41023 \| Comment: For controllers the left stick could control orientation/ movement and the right stick could control the cursor. the ... \| https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/568#issuecomment-218906472
18:42:59		BFLogBot Comment on issue #529 \| User: Xelor41023 \| Comment: Hexagons would still favor horizontal and vertical but not diagonal but circles would give equal footing but in a game ... \| https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/529#issuecomment-218906683
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18:50:00		BFLogBot Comment on issue #529 \| User: raptor \| Comment: I like hexagons - it's a good compromise between aesthetics and computation requirements. ... \| https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/529#issuecomment-218907892
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