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IRC Log for 2020-08-12

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15:48:02 BFDiscordBridge <𝔹⏣𝔹𝔻𝔸𝔻𝕌₡𝕂> I'm thinking about features
15:48:17 BFDiscordBridge <𝔹⏣𝔹𝔻𝔸𝔻𝕌₡𝕂> I noticed last party while you're playing you don't always feel like playing competitively
15:48:31 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> who
15:48:37 BFDiscordBridge <𝔹⏣𝔹𝔻𝔸𝔻𝕌₡𝕂> Well me
15:48:48 BFDiscordBridge <𝔹⏣𝔹𝔻𝔸𝔻𝕌₡𝕂> So I just started laying mines everywhere to blow up my teamates because I was bored
15:49:08 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> I often go really hard in specific maps and then just find a corner to chill and conversate in the chat in other maps
15:49:19 BFDiscordBridge <𝔹⏣𝔹𝔻𝔸𝔻𝕌₡𝕂> I'm wondering if there isn't some new feature we could introduce that would be more interesting than that
15:49:32 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> Like a casual gamer feature?
15:50:11 BFDiscordBridge <𝔹⏣𝔹𝔻𝔸𝔻𝕌₡𝕂> Like I know "every game tends towards minecraft" but that's not quite what I'm thinking, there should be some better ways to mess around in-game and blow off steam (which would reduce the appeal of endlessly blowing up my team lol)
15:50:26 BFDiscordBridge <𝔹⏣𝔹𝔻𝔸𝔻𝕌₡𝕂> I think the engineerable teamed asteroids would help a little bit
15:50:33 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> Of course you do
15:50:47 BFDiscordBridge <𝔹⏣𝔹𝔻𝔸𝔻𝕌₡𝕂> Sort of the same thing but less of a detractment to my own team
15:51:17 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> Why would that be any more interesting than building any other engineer item
15:52:09 BFDiscordBridge <𝔹⏣𝔹𝔻𝔸𝔻𝕌₡𝕂> free floating
15:52:14 BFDiscordBridge <𝔹⏣𝔹𝔻𝔸𝔻𝕌₡𝕂> and you could push it around
15:52:19 BFDiscordBridge <𝔹⏣𝔹𝔻𝔸𝔻𝕌₡𝕂> that is inherently more fun than mines
15:55:35 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> ¯_(ツ)_/¯
15:59:04 BFDiscordBridge <Quartz> > So I just started laying mines everywhere to blow up my teamates because I was bored @𝔹⏣𝔹𝔻𝔸𝔻𝕌₡𝕂  that’s been me soooo many times
15:59:42 BFDiscordBridge <Quartz> For me honestly I just find that I am going so hard competitively on some maps that I burn out and need to just mess around, but that’s just me
16:02:37 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> Yeah same
16:02:45 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> Like I need more break maps lol
16:06:34 BFDiscordBridge <𝔹⏣𝔹𝔻𝔸𝔻𝕌₡𝕂> I dunno about break maps, but like, break functionality- it doesn't need to be a crazy sandbox but I think it would make the game better
16:07:11 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> How about when you die instead of respawning you can play a minigame lol
16:12:08 BFDiscordBridge <Little_Apple> break map making contest where every map is a break map
16:21:08 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> Fantastic
16:37:07 BFDiscordBridge <Footie 🐧> spectator mode when
16:38:02 BFDiscordBridge <Footie 🐧> personally, i would definitely play more if there were some sort of spectating option
16:48:32 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> Yeah sometimes I just wanna watch people shoot each other
16:48:35 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> And comment on it
16:49:03 BFDiscordBridge <Quartz> Hahahahah
16:49:41 BFDiscordBridge <Quartz> I remember asking for a spectator mode a long time ago because it would also open up the opportunity for limited-life game modes or respawn timers.
16:53:47 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> Yeah it's been an oft asked for feature afaik
16:53:59 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> I don't remember what the issue with it was
16:54:24 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> We already have an afk "no respawn" feature so it's not like it would make people not play the game lol
17:33:35 BFDiscordBridge <Little_Apple> a sort of lobby mode or lobby state would be kinda neat
17:33:57 BFDiscordBridge <Little_Apple> especially as a way to organize competitive matches
17:36:48 BFDiscordBridge <Little_Apple> would also be super neat if there was an optional way to have people that join the server spectate until the next round starts so team balance remains unchanged
17:37:59 BFDiscordBridge <Little_Apple> bitfighter needs casual settings so we can be esports tbh
18:12:36 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> heh
19:57:56 BFDiscordBridge <𝔹⏣𝔹𝔻𝔸𝔻𝕌₡𝕂> IDK about spectator mode, I'm not sold
19:58:11 BFDiscordBridge <𝔹⏣𝔹𝔻𝔸𝔻𝕌₡𝕂> you can already kind of fly around just not playing
19:58:23 BFDiscordBridge <𝔹⏣𝔹𝔻𝔸𝔻𝕌₡𝕂> issue is more that it unbalances teams
19:58:47 BFDiscordBridge <𝔹⏣𝔹𝔻𝔸𝔻𝕌₡𝕂> Maybe some sort of /creativemode
19:59:02 BFDiscordBridge <𝔹⏣𝔹𝔻𝔸𝔻𝕌₡𝕂> jk, /spectate could just turn your ship neutral?
20:37:54 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> Unfortunately Neutral and Hostile teams are hard coded to not be accessible lol
20:49:00 BFDiscordBridge <sky_lark> Tbh I think a big issue is that 1 or 2 people will just get bored and stop playing for the round
20:49:10 BFDiscordBridge <sky_lark> which leads to imbalance, and burns other people out
20:49:25 BFDiscordBridge <sky_lark> That or just complain about the map choice/try to change it instead of just playing it thru
20:49:57 BFDiscordBridge <sky_lark> Obviously people shouldn't have to do something they don't want to do, but I kinda feel like half the time if folks just kept at it the game could be a lot more fun than striving for the perfect map
20:51:51 BFDiscordBridge <sky_lark> Personally I just try to play the maps/modes I don't like, and try to have a formal break time later to get reenergized
20:53:03 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> I mean... the votechange is a vote for a a reason right?
20:53:20 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> And it has to win 60:40 I think
20:53:52 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> So if 60% of the people playing don't want to play the map, why should they be forced to "play through"
20:54:29 BFDiscordBridge <sky_lark> Well then we have what we had tonight for a period. Votechange 4x in a row
20:54:40 BFDiscordBridge <sky_lark> Votechange spam is not really a big deal though
20:54:42 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> That was for a specific reason tho lol
20:54:49 BFDiscordBridge <sky_lark> You're right that people should vote to choose a map they want to play
20:54:58 BFDiscordBridge <sky_lark> But there will inevitably be a map where folks aren't as thrilled about
20:55:19 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> Right, especially on a troll map or a map that had a universally bad reception
20:55:22 BFDiscordBridge <sky_lark> And so every party it seems like every round 1 or 2 people are just giving up and/or complaining about the map choice
20:55:31 BFDiscordBridge <sky_lark> I'm not saying that's not their right
20:55:49 BFDiscordBridge <sky_lark> I'm just saying it makes for a worse experience
20:55:57 BFDiscordBridge <Little_Apple> 👋
20:56:00 BFDiscordBridge <sky_lark> If instead folks just put their heads down and played and took a more formal break later
20:56:09 BFDiscordBridge <sky_lark> I think folks would likely end up having a better time
20:56:10 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> I feel like the weight of one or two people dropping out being so large is just indicative of a small community lol
20:56:12 BFDiscordBridge <sky_lark> Just my 2c
20:56:17 BFDiscordBridge <sky_lark> It is
20:56:34 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> Like if we had 6v6 and two people weren't really playing, still pretty balanced
20:56:38 BFDiscordBridge <sky_lark> Correct
20:56:49 BFDiscordBridge <sky_lark> This is only really an issue for our parties, not for games in general
20:56:53 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> But 2v2 and two people don't wanna play the map xD
20:56:55 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> Then yeah
20:56:59 BFDiscordBridge <sky_lark> We tend to have 3v3-5v5
20:57:09 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> Tonight it was 2v2 a few times
20:57:11 BFDiscordBridge <sky_lark> So the effects of 1-3 people bored/complaining/not playing are felt a lot more
20:57:36 BFDiscordBridge <sky_lark> And let me be clear. It's not that I want to tell people to do something they don't want to do
20:57:45 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> I understand what you're saying
20:57:46 BFDiscordBridge <sky_lark> It's just that I think if folks just played the maps through instead of complaining/sitting
20:57:52 BFDiscordBridge <sky_lark> It would ultimately be more fun for everyone
20:57:55 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> It's a gameplay issue that doesn't really have a right answer lol
20:58:10 BFDiscordBridge <sky_lark> Spectate mode would probably help, so at least you can see that they're spectating instead of sitting and thinking they're just afk or something
20:58:15 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> Right
20:58:41 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> Like if there was a 3v2 I bet someone would rather be able to basically c-map the whole game and chill instead of someone adding s_bot lol
20:59:39 BFDiscordBridge <sky_lark> The quality of the levels probably contributes to the boredom... maybe we need to get some really high quality map playlists for parties
21:00:07 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> That's another possible idea
21:00:09 BFDiscordBridge <sky_lark> And I do strongly think a 15 minute break period would help
21:00:17 BFDiscordBridge <sky_lark> Take more breaks, last for longer
21:00:25 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> Contest parties are specifically about judging maps, also
21:00:33 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> So sometimes you just wanna fly around and check stuff out xD
21:00:37 BFDiscordBridge <sky_lark> Just ask any automechanic. The more breaks, the better the truck is
21:00:45 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> You mean brakes
21:01:47 BFDiscordBridge <sky_lark> Finally I think being cognizant about team balance would help. I've tried to switch myself more often to the losing team so they don't just give up
21:02:11 BFDiscordBridge <sky_lark> If a team is getting slaughtered and there's still a lot of time left, we (myself included) should be more aggressive about balancing teams
21:02:18 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> Ideally the team balance would do that already
21:02:25 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> But Arctic and you are an excellent team
21:02:36 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> So the game can't account for your team work lol
21:03:20 BFDiscordBridge <sky_lark> Haha we have the benefit of being in the same room together 🙂
21:04:12 BFDiscordBridge <sky_lark> I gotta remember to use ingame voice chat more
21:04:24 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> Or discord voice chat
21:04:35 BFDiscordBridge <sky_lark> Well I mean for strategy. With teammates etc
21:04:38 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> True
21:04:51 BFDiscordBridge <sky_lark> Can yall get discord to auto adjust the rooms based on the bitfighter teams lol
21:04:56 BFDiscordBridge <sky_lark> (Not a serious request)
21:05:11 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> Not without creating a specific bot that connects to Bitfighter and Discord
21:05:16 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> It's probably doable
21:05:20 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> Just not by me lol
21:05:46 BFDiscordBridge <sky_lark> Lol there's no need, y'all just do some crazy shit with discord
21:06:04 BFDiscordBridge <Skybax> Are you talking about rich presence right now lol

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15:48:02	BFDiscordBridge	<𝔹⏣𝔹𝔻𝔸𝔻𝕌₡𝕂> I'm thinking about features
15:48:17	BFDiscordBridge	<𝔹⏣𝔹𝔻𝔸𝔻𝕌₡𝕂> I noticed last party while you're playing you don't always feel like playing competitively
15:48:31	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> who
15:48:37	BFDiscordBridge	<𝔹⏣𝔹𝔻𝔸𝔻𝕌₡𝕂> Well me
15:48:48	BFDiscordBridge	<𝔹⏣𝔹𝔻𝔸𝔻𝕌₡𝕂> So I just started laying mines everywhere to blow up my teamates because I was bored
15:49:08	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> I often go really hard in specific maps and then just find a corner to chill and conversate in the chat in other maps
15:49:19	BFDiscordBridge	<𝔹⏣𝔹𝔻𝔸𝔻𝕌₡𝕂> I'm wondering if there isn't some new feature we could introduce that would be more interesting than that
15:49:32	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> Like a casual gamer feature?
15:50:11	BFDiscordBridge	<𝔹⏣𝔹𝔻𝔸𝔻𝕌₡𝕂> Like I know "every game tends towards minecraft" but that's not quite what I'm thinking, there should be some better ways to mess around in-game and blow off steam (which would reduce the appeal of endlessly blowing up my team lol)
15:50:26	BFDiscordBridge	<𝔹⏣𝔹𝔻𝔸𝔻𝕌₡𝕂> I think the engineerable teamed asteroids would help a little bit
15:50:33	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> Of course you do
15:50:47	BFDiscordBridge	<𝔹⏣𝔹𝔻𝔸𝔻𝕌₡𝕂> Sort of the same thing but less of a detractment to my own team
15:51:17	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> Why would that be any more interesting than building any other engineer item
15:52:09	BFDiscordBridge	<𝔹⏣𝔹𝔻𝔸𝔻𝕌₡𝕂> free floating
15:52:14	BFDiscordBridge	<𝔹⏣𝔹𝔻𝔸𝔻𝕌₡𝕂> and you could push it around
15:52:19	BFDiscordBridge	<𝔹⏣𝔹𝔻𝔸𝔻𝕌₡𝕂> that is inherently more fun than mines
15:55:35	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> ¯_(ツ)_/¯
15:59:04	BFDiscordBridge	<Quartz> > So I just started laying mines everywhere to blow up my teamates because I was bored @𝔹⏣𝔹𝔻𝔸𝔻𝕌₡𝕂 that’s been me soooo many times
15:59:42	BFDiscordBridge	<Quartz> For me honestly I just find that I am going so hard competitively on some maps that I burn out and need to just mess around, but that’s just me
16:02:37	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> Yeah same
16:02:45	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> Like I need more break maps lol
16:06:34	BFDiscordBridge	<𝔹⏣𝔹𝔻𝔸𝔻𝕌₡𝕂> I dunno about break maps, but like, break functionality- it doesn't need to be a crazy sandbox but I think it would make the game better
16:07:11	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> How about when you die instead of respawning you can play a minigame lol
16:12:08	BFDiscordBridge	<Little_Apple> break map making contest where every map is a break map
16:21:08	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> Fantastic
16:37:07	BFDiscordBridge	<Footie 🐧> spectator mode when
16:38:02	BFDiscordBridge	<Footie 🐧> personally, i would definitely play more if there were some sort of spectating option
16:48:32	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> Yeah sometimes I just wanna watch people shoot each other
16:48:35	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> And comment on it
16:49:03	BFDiscordBridge	<Quartz> Hahahahah
16:49:41	BFDiscordBridge	<Quartz> I remember asking for a spectator mode a long time ago because it would also open up the opportunity for limited-life game modes or respawn timers.
16:53:47	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> Yeah it's been an oft asked for feature afaik
16:53:59	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> I don't remember what the issue with it was
16:54:24	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> We already have an afk "no respawn" feature so it's not like it would make people not play the game lol
17:33:35	BFDiscordBridge	<Little_Apple> a sort of lobby mode or lobby state would be kinda neat
17:33:57	BFDiscordBridge	<Little_Apple> especially as a way to organize competitive matches
17:36:48	BFDiscordBridge	<Little_Apple> would also be super neat if there was an optional way to have people that join the server spectate until the next round starts so team balance remains unchanged
17:37:59	BFDiscordBridge	<Little_Apple> bitfighter needs casual settings so we can be esports tbh
18:12:36	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> heh
19:57:56	BFDiscordBridge	<𝔹⏣𝔹𝔻𝔸𝔻𝕌₡𝕂> IDK about spectator mode, I'm not sold
19:58:11	BFDiscordBridge	<𝔹⏣𝔹𝔻𝔸𝔻𝕌₡𝕂> you can already kind of fly around just not playing
19:58:23	BFDiscordBridge	<𝔹⏣𝔹𝔻𝔸𝔻𝕌₡𝕂> issue is more that it unbalances teams
19:58:47	BFDiscordBridge	<𝔹⏣𝔹𝔻𝔸𝔻𝕌₡𝕂> Maybe some sort of /creativemode
19:59:02	BFDiscordBridge	<𝔹⏣𝔹𝔻𝔸𝔻𝕌₡𝕂> jk, /spectate could just turn your ship neutral?
20:37:54	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> Unfortunately Neutral and Hostile teams are hard coded to not be accessible lol
20:49:00	BFDiscordBridge	<sky_lark> Tbh I think a big issue is that 1 or 2 people will just get bored and stop playing for the round
20:49:10	BFDiscordBridge	<sky_lark> which leads to imbalance, and burns other people out
20:49:25	BFDiscordBridge	<sky_lark> That or just complain about the map choice/try to change it instead of just playing it thru
20:49:57	BFDiscordBridge	<sky_lark> Obviously people shouldn't have to do something they don't want to do, but I kinda feel like half the time if folks just kept at it the game could be a lot more fun than striving for the perfect map
20:51:51	BFDiscordBridge	<sky_lark> Personally I just try to play the maps/modes I don't like, and try to have a formal break time later to get reenergized
20:53:03	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> I mean... the votechange is a vote for a a reason right?
20:53:20	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> And it has to win 60:40 I think
20:53:52	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> So if 60% of the people playing don't want to play the map, why should they be forced to "play through"
20:54:29	BFDiscordBridge	<sky_lark> Well then we have what we had tonight for a period. Votechange 4x in a row
20:54:40	BFDiscordBridge	<sky_lark> Votechange spam is not really a big deal though
20:54:42	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> That was for a specific reason tho lol
20:54:49	BFDiscordBridge	<sky_lark> You're right that people should vote to choose a map they want to play
20:54:58	BFDiscordBridge	<sky_lark> But there will inevitably be a map where folks aren't as thrilled about
20:55:19	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> Right, especially on a troll map or a map that had a universally bad reception
20:55:22	BFDiscordBridge	<sky_lark> And so every party it seems like every round 1 or 2 people are just giving up and/or complaining about the map choice
20:55:31	BFDiscordBridge	<sky_lark> I'm not saying that's not their right
20:55:49	BFDiscordBridge	<sky_lark> I'm just saying it makes for a worse experience
20:55:57	BFDiscordBridge	<Little_Apple> 👋
20:56:00	BFDiscordBridge	<sky_lark> If instead folks just put their heads down and played and took a more formal break later
20:56:09	BFDiscordBridge	<sky_lark> I think folks would likely end up having a better time
20:56:10	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> I feel like the weight of one or two people dropping out being so large is just indicative of a small community lol
20:56:12	BFDiscordBridge	<sky_lark> Just my 2c
20:56:17	BFDiscordBridge	<sky_lark> It is
20:56:34	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> Like if we had 6v6 and two people weren't really playing, still pretty balanced
20:56:38	BFDiscordBridge	<sky_lark> Correct
20:56:49	BFDiscordBridge	<sky_lark> This is only really an issue for our parties, not for games in general
20:56:53	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> But 2v2 and two people don't wanna play the map xD
20:56:55	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> Then yeah
20:56:59	BFDiscordBridge	<sky_lark> We tend to have 3v3-5v5
20:57:09	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> Tonight it was 2v2 a few times
20:57:11	BFDiscordBridge	<sky_lark> So the effects of 1-3 people bored/complaining/not playing are felt a lot more
20:57:36	BFDiscordBridge	<sky_lark> And let me be clear. It's not that I want to tell people to do something they don't want to do
20:57:45	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> I understand what you're saying
20:57:46	BFDiscordBridge	<sky_lark> It's just that I think if folks just played the maps through instead of complaining/sitting
20:57:52	BFDiscordBridge	<sky_lark> It would ultimately be more fun for everyone
20:57:55	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> It's a gameplay issue that doesn't really have a right answer lol
20:58:10	BFDiscordBridge	<sky_lark> Spectate mode would probably help, so at least you can see that they're spectating instead of sitting and thinking they're just afk or something
20:58:15	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> Right
20:58:41	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> Like if there was a 3v2 I bet someone would rather be able to basically c-map the whole game and chill instead of someone adding s_bot lol
20:59:39	BFDiscordBridge	<sky_lark> The quality of the levels probably contributes to the boredom... maybe we need to get some really high quality map playlists for parties
21:00:07	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> That's another possible idea
21:00:09	BFDiscordBridge	<sky_lark> And I do strongly think a 15 minute break period would help
21:00:17	BFDiscordBridge	<sky_lark> Take more breaks, last for longer
21:00:25	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> Contest parties are specifically about judging maps, also
21:00:33	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> So sometimes you just wanna fly around and check stuff out xD
21:00:37	BFDiscordBridge	<sky_lark> Just ask any automechanic. The more breaks, the better the truck is
21:00:45	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> You mean brakes
21:01:47	BFDiscordBridge	<sky_lark> Finally I think being cognizant about team balance would help. I've tried to switch myself more often to the losing team so they don't just give up
21:02:11	BFDiscordBridge	<sky_lark> If a team is getting slaughtered and there's still a lot of time left, we (myself included) should be more aggressive about balancing teams
21:02:18	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> Ideally the team balance would do that already
21:02:25	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> But Arctic and you are an excellent team
21:02:36	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> So the game can't account for your team work lol
21:03:20	BFDiscordBridge	<sky_lark> Haha we have the benefit of being in the same room together 🙂
21:04:12	BFDiscordBridge	<sky_lark> I gotta remember to use ingame voice chat more
21:04:24	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> Or discord voice chat
21:04:35	BFDiscordBridge	<sky_lark> Well I mean for strategy. With teammates etc
21:04:38	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> True
21:04:51	BFDiscordBridge	<sky_lark> Can yall get discord to auto adjust the rooms based on the bitfighter teams lol
21:04:56	BFDiscordBridge	<sky_lark> (Not a serious request)
21:05:11	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> Not without creating a specific bot that connects to Bitfighter and Discord
21:05:16	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> It's probably doable
21:05:20	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> Just not by me lol
21:05:46	BFDiscordBridge	<sky_lark> Lol there's no need, y'all just do some crazy shit with discord
21:06:04	BFDiscordBridge	<Skybax> Are you talking about rich presence right now lol