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06:22:06BFDiscordBridge<raptor> another attempt. team color is barely inset from the gray outline


06:22:06BFDiscordBridge<raptor> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/325743140059480065/793846378446585856/screenshot_9.png


06:28:05BFDiscordBridge<raptor> instead of on top of each other


10:23:05BFLogBot Repo: bitfighter | Commit: 9d2037f828 | Author: raptor | Message: Start of Asteroid render simplification


10:23:07BFLogBot Repo: bitfighter | Commit: 1495c7ca9b | Author: raptor | Message: Clean/speed up rendering of asteroids


10:23:08BFLogBot Repo: bitfighter | Commit: 76320b21e5 | Author: raptor | Message: Refactor asteroid constants


10:42:06BFDiscordBridge<raptor> OK bobdaduck, i'm going to work on re-basing your patch


11:28:23BFDiscordBridge<raptor> ok, got it rebased. @bobdaduck did you intend for the ships to be able to push around the asteroids?


11:28:35BFDiscordBridge<bobdaduck> yea


11:28:45BFDiscordBridge<bobdaduck> more fun that way


11:28:58BFDiscordBridge<bobdaduck> you can still shoot them down iirc if they get in the way


11:47:07BFDiscordBridge<raptor> watusimoto's editor change (255-point items) can create 6000-wide character text files


11:47:40BFDiscordBridge<raptor> might be a problem for anyone who edits files directly


11:53:10BFDiscordBridge<bobdaduck> What xD


11:56:08BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Sounds fun


11:56:31BFDiscordBridge<raptor> do you guys really need more than 63 vertices?


11:56:54BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Need is a strong word


11:57:06BFDiscordBridge<raptor> like what is the use case?


11:57:24BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Real long and intricate zones and walls


11:57:35BFDiscordBridge<numbers> really really precise circles


11:57:50BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> In my Good Will Hunting map I had to make multiple zones where I would have rather used one zone


11:57:57BFDiscordBridge<raptor> ok, we've talked about adding a BezierBarrier or some such


11:58:05BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> ???


11:58:21BFDiscordBridge<numbers> i would go for bezier curve walls/polywalls


11:59:12BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> See those janky lines?


11:59:12BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/325743140059480065/793931212665651240/image0.png


11:59:19BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> They would be gone


11:59:49BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Those are because vertice limitations


12:00:43BFDiscordBridge<numbers> although i'd like a conic-section option better, so i can get circles, ellipses, parabolas and hyperbolas very easily, esp. if i could cut them at a given point


12:01:08BFDiscordBridge<numbers> but beziers are broader so beziers are a better idea


12:01:33BFDiscordBridge<Footie> vertice limit make me cri


12:45:12BFDiscordBridge<Quartz> @Skybax you would’ve had to make that goalzone in multiple segments anyway though because of the eyehole. Otherwise if the goalzone met up with itself perfectly it would’ve glitched out. 😅


12:46:38BFDiscordBridge<Quartz> @raptor I fairly regularly hit 63 vertices. If you can add the option of more with no ill effects, great. If it’s a huge hassle, don’t bother.


12:51:22BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Nah I def could have made it work 👀


12:53:57BFDiscordBridge<numbers> i shift the meetup point by a tiny fraction to fix that


12:54:21BFDiscordBridge<numbers> nobody can notice an itty bitty detail in battle


12:56:21BFDiscordBridge<Quartz> Reasonable tactic, I dig it.


14:15:54BFDiscordBridge<raptor> turns out bezier curves cannot exactly describe a circle


14:32:22BFDiscordBridge<raptor> should the asteroid spawn indicator be the same team color as the asteroid, or just all default to the old green?


14:32:22BFDiscordBridge<raptor> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/325743140059480065/793969757300588614/screenshot_10.png


14:36:38BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Yes on the team color


14:37:03BFDiscordBridge<numbers> yeah, same color


14:43:24BFDiscordBridge<bobdaduck> I made them the same team color in my patch I believe


14:43:34BFDiscordBridge<bobdaduck> but yea you need to know what team is spawning


15:18:40BFDiscordBridge<raptor> ok


15:39:39BFDiscordBridge<bobdaduck> Now that I'm thinking about it engineering an asteroid spawn would be much more interesting than engineering an asteroid


15:41:00BFDiscordBridge<bobdaduck> A lot more destructable than turrets and a lot less immediate (asteroid spawners don't immediately attack you) but could be an interesting way of guarding a "generally unused" hallway


15:49:45BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> That is a good idea


15:50:49BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Would be even cooler because it’s an engineered item you wouldn’t immediately see. They only show up when they’re about to spawn


15:51:04BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Maybe they’d all have ten second timers or something?


16:00:33BFDiscordBridge<Jojo> please no


16:02:10BFDiscordBridge<raptor> I'm not sure engineering an asteroid fits


16:02:47BFDiscordBridge<raptor> now that I think about it I think it permanently removes the resourceItem from the map


16:03:38BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Not if the resource item popped back out


16:03:55BFDiscordBridge<Jojo> i think the proposed solution would be the final asteroid bit destroyed gave back the resource


16:04:44BFDiscordBridge<raptor> wait wait, bobdaduck, your patch doesn't have code to allow engineering the asteroid...  and I'm OK with that for now


16:04:48BFDiscordBridge<raptor> I thought it did


16:05:06BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Nah bob is saying it would be better if we could engineer the actual asteroid spawned


16:05:40BFDiscordBridge<Jojo> with the team edit, is there a difference between hostile and neutral asteroids?


16:05:56BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> 👀


16:05:59BFDiscordBridge<numbers> team asteroids act like testitems to that team


16:06:17BFDiscordBridge<Jojo> ya but would a neutral act the same to all teams?


16:06:33BFDiscordBridge<numbers> yes


16:06:40BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Are you saying neutral asteroids should just be breakable testItems?


16:06:46BFDiscordBridge<Jojo> ya basically


16:06:48BFDiscordBridge<numbers> that's a cool idea


16:07:16BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> What if you could repair them to capture them


16:07:25BFDiscordBridge<Jojo> nah


16:07:46BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> But if you couldn’t repair a neutral it would be weird


16:08:27BFDiscordBridge<Jojo> ya but neutral turrets dont explode once destroyed


16:08:32BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> True


16:08:52BFDiscordBridge<Jojo> and dont split apart and fly to different parts of the map once shot


16:09:00BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> So you’re saying because they would be no way to recapture the asteroid


16:09:05BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> That they shouldn’t be repairable


16:09:19BFDiscordBridge<Jojo> they would just be like current asteroids


16:09:24BFDiscordBridge<Jojo> just non deadly


16:09:30BFDiscordBridge<Jojo> breakable test items


16:09:36BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Current asteroids would have to all be hostile asteroids


16:09:43BFDiscordBridge<Jojo> ya


16:10:04BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Only problem is changing that in the game code would break every map with asteroids


16:10:25BFDiscordBridge<Jojo> how sad


16:10:36BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> RIP Perussi


16:14:55BFDiscordBridge<Jojo> couldnt there be a workaround or something where unassigned asteroids are just reassigned to hostile to remain functionally the same?


16:14:57BFDiscordBridge<bobdaduck> engineering an asteroid spawner makes more sense, it would work basically like engineering teleports


16:15:26BFDiscordBridge<Jojo> ya but it would be hecka annoying to play against


16:15:51BFDiscordBridge<bobdaduck> well you wouldn't be able to set the asteroid spawn time lol


16:16:00BFDiscordBridge<Jojo> it would turn every single map with engineer into an asteroid flood


16:16:11BFDiscordBridge<bobdaduck> Most often case: some noob builds one and it gets shot down ages before it would even have spawned a single one


16:16:26BFDiscordBridge<bobdaduck> engineered teleports are huge and hecka fragile


16:16:27BFDiscordBridge<Quartz> It does make more sense, although we should consider how frequently they would spawn.


16:16:48BFDiscordBridge<Quartz> Would break maps with infinite resource items but those are typically kinda crap anyway


16:17:13BFDiscordBridge<bobdaduck> like in any base how often is there an area that doesn't see traffic in, say, 30 seconds?


16:18:36BFDiscordBridge<Jojo> imagine a player plopping down an asteroid spawn, and then changing modules to turbo pulse asteroids all over the map


16:18:39BFDiscordBridge<Jojo> literally cancer


16:18:49BFDiscordBridge<bobdaduck> rofl


16:19:06BFDiscordBridge<bobdaduck> but they'd have to keep the asteroid spawn alive for la while first


16:19:22BFDiscordBridge<Jojo> not if you sit on your side of the map


16:19:40BFDiscordBridge<bobdaduck> like I asked how many maps don't see foot traffic for that long


16:19:48BFDiscordBridge<Jojo> engineering asteroid spawns is a horrible idea


16:20:58BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> I think it’s a great idea


16:21:05BFDiscordBridge<Jojo> well of course you would


16:21:59BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> This seems like a pro to me


16:22:13BFDiscordBridge<bobdaduck> idk


16:22:25BFDiscordBridge<bobdaduck> I'm not convinced it would even be that abusable


16:22:35BFDiscordBridge<numbers> a pro would use sensorpulsing rather than turbopulsing


16:22:44BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> If a player wants to devote their entire time and energy to boosting singular asteroids around the map so be it


16:22:45BFDiscordBridge<numbers> sensorpulsing is more efficient iirc


16:22:52BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> It’s less damaging than them actively shooting things


16:23:28BFDiscordBridge<bobdaduck> and way harder to control


16:23:33BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Yeh


16:23:38BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> All wins afaik


16:24:03BFDiscordBridge<numbers> control is not needed when yeeting asteroids everywhere


16:24:14BFDiscordBridge<numbers> just boink and done


16:24:26BFDiscordBridge<bobdaduck> true


16:24:47BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> I think making the default spawn time be 10 seconds is a good way to control that


16:24:58BFDiscordBridge<bobdaduck> 10? I was thinking 30


16:25:00BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Like you’d almost be wasting your time sitting there waiting for one to spawn


16:25:01BFDiscordBridge<numbers> yeah 10s sounds good, was thinking that myself


16:25:15BFDiscordBridge<numbers> thats what i usually set my asteroid spawns to, if any


16:25:30BFDiscordBridge<numbers> 30s doesn't build up fast enough


16:25:35BFDiscordBridge<bobdaduck> 10 crosses into abusable range IMO


16:25:47BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Idk if five seconds is “insanely long” for a charge laser that does 70% damage I feel like 30 seconds is also “insanely long” for 100% damage


16:26:24BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> My five seconds got shortened to two


16:26:41BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Because Bitfighter requires speed


16:27:01BFDiscordBridge<Jojo> whats the point of engineering a dinky single turret if you have the option of making an instant death orb generator that can be flung across the map


16:27:05BFDiscordBridge<numbers> however, that's 30s that you can still do damage manually


16:27:21BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Not if it takes 100% of your energy to make


16:27:49BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Then you’re basically a sitting bob


16:27:50BFDiscordBridge<numbers> okay, so 20s after a liberal 10s to regen energy


16:28:37BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> This needs another idea channel almost


16:28:50BFDiscordBridge<bobdaduck> @Jojo  they're only instant death if you blow all your energy to launch it at someone who doesn't have shield after successfully defending it for 30 seconds (I still think this is the best number)


16:28:56BFDiscordBridge<bobdaduck> @Skybax  reopen the archived suggestion


16:29:33BFDiscordBridge<Jojo> you cant defend against a asteroid flying at you from out of screen at 200mph


16:29:37BFDiscordBridge<bobdaduck> And you can only launch the asteroid once and then have to defend it for 30 more seconds, and like what's happening with the actual objective during all this time


16:29:39BFDiscordBridge<Jojo> unless you just shield constantly


16:30:17BFDiscordBridge<bobdaduck> it loses momentum when it hits walls right


16:30:30BFDiscordBridge<numbers> move to #team-asteroids


16:33:39BFDiscordBridge<raptor> a side-effect of this patch is that all asteroids, even 'neutral' ones are a bit thicker looking


16:33:40BFDiscordBridge<raptor> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/325743140059480065/794000280341315624/screenshot_12.png


16:34:38BFDiscordBridge<raptor> Also every asteroid has a team now...  have to check backwards compatibility..


16:46:01BFDiscordBridge<raptor> and this is now airlock:


16:46:01BFDiscordBridge<raptor> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/325743140059480065/794003390999822336/screenshot_13.png


16:53:35BFDiscordBridge<Jojo> its like a whole new map


17:43:24BFDiscordBridge<raptor> IM GOING TO REGRET THIS


17:43:26BFLogBot Repo: bitfighter | Commit: 5da8c38ab3 | Author: bobdaduck | Message: Asteroid teams - preliminary


17:43:27BFLogBot Pull request #625 closed by bobdaduck | Title: Asteroid teams | https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/pull/625


17:43:27BFLogBot Repo: bitfighter | Commit: ea966686ea | Author: bobdaduck | Message: Asteroid Spawn Teams


17:43:29BFLogBot Repo: bitfighter | Commit: a60d5a7bf0 | Author: raptor | Message: Merge commit 'ea966686ea4bb561b64e3fe8efcdcaa4513c48dd'  # Conflicts: #	zap/gameObjectRender.cpp #	zap/moveObject.cpp


17:43:30BFLogBot Repo: bitfighter | Commit: 87d15bddff | Author: raptor | Message: Fix asteroid rendering in help menu


17:43:32BFLogBot Repo: bitfighter | Commit: 5dbe331493 | Author: raptor | Message: Color/stylize asteroids a bit differently


17:43:35BFDiscordBridge<raptor> (team asteroids committed)


22:04:57BFDiscordBridge<Quartz> Probably — but nothing ventured, nothing gained!


23:46:03BFDiscordBridge<Jojo> is that speedzone outline a new feature or a weird airlock thing

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