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| 00:04:44 | raptor | ha! cleverbot brought up clans |
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| 00:08:00 | karamazovapy | that kid is a trouble machine |
| 00:14:29 | karamazovapy | the hostile zones in my client are hot pink at the moment |
| 00:15:18 | raptor | haha.. what |
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| 00:28:25 | karamazovapy | http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/6260/screenshot0rz.png |
| 00:29:42 | raptor | haha |
| 00:29:47 | raptor | zones? or just FFs? |
| 00:29:55 | raptor | thats a feature! |
| 00:33:00 | raptor | ok, going home - i'll be back later |
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| 00:35:46 | Watusimoto | going to bed |
| 00:35:52 | Watusimoto | good night! |
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| 00:52:54 | karamazovapy | OKAY |
| 00:52:58 | karamazovapy | I think we're all khakis |
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| 03:39:09 | | BFLogBot - Commit 5ebbd834360c | Author: buckyballreaction | Log: Update to ALURE 1.2 for Windows.. maybe fixes zombie process problem with playing music? |
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| 05:03:42 | raptor | sam686: can you test that latest checking to see if the music bug is still there? |
| 05:03:54 | raptor | check-in |
| 05:04:15 | sam686 | is the only changes the "openal.dll" changes |
| 05:04:24 | raptor | alure32.dll, yes |
| 05:04:35 | raptor | oh, i did commit one other small change to main.cpp |
| 05:04:48 | sam686 | if the only changes is dll files, i might be able to replace those dll from latest checkin, for existing 016.. |
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| 05:07:48 | sam686 | i haven't compiled 017 since a few days ago... |
| 05:07:54 | raptor | that's ok |
| 05:07:58 | raptor | just try the dll |
| 05:08:16 | raptor | compiling will take a while because watusimoto changed a ton of headers |
| 05:08:48 | raptor | but it's the new alure32.dll i changed, not openal32 |
| 05:09:16 | raptor | if it doesn't fix it, then i'm going to speak with the openal developer |
| 05:14:25 | | BFLogBot - Commit ecd20a8ec67c | Author: buckyballreaction | Log: Use fake fullscreen on Mac by default, too - at least it doesn't crash, even if the dock is showing |
| 05:18:53 | sam686 | it still freezes and eat a lot of CPU |
| 05:18:59 | raptor | aww man |
| 05:18:59 | sam686 | when quitting |
| 05:19:05 | raptor | did you end up recompiling? |
| 05:19:26 | sam686 | not yet, but i will try compiling 017 |
| 05:19:50 | raptor | rats |
| 05:31:57 | sam686 | still the same problem, even with 017 http://sam686.maxhushahn.com/upload/text1202/120210_23-02-39.txt |
| 05:48:39 | karamazovapy | results tallied |
| 05:48:49 | karamazovapy | sam wins it by a nose |
| 05:50:22 | raptor | maybe i won one or two.. |
| 05:51:23 | karamazovapy | I'm just checking for our max attendance now |
| 05:51:29 | karamazovapy | so far I've spotted 18 |
| 05:52:10 | raptor | there was once when i joined and there was 18 already |
| 05:54:38 | sam686 | ok, i think i have all my 4 hours gameplay videos recorded at 960x720 at lossless compression quality (the same quality as uncompressed 24 bit) |
| 05:54:46 | raptor | oh wow |
| 05:54:51 | raptor | how many GBs? |
| 05:55:03 | karamazovapy | yeah, looks like 19 was our peak |
| 05:55:26 | sam686 | 38.1 GB of bitfighter battle |
| 05:55:33 | karamazovapy | I did fairly low compression and got 64 GB |
| 05:55:34 | raptor | ha! wow |
| 05:56:44 | sam686 | i used a lossless Lagarith compression, it proves it compresses very well, because bitfighter have simple, solid color areas which is i guess, easy to compress |
| 05:58:54 | raptor | Lagarith, huh? never heard of it... |
| 05:59:01 | raptor | researching.. |
| 05:59:13 | sam686 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagarith |
| 06:01:19 | sam686 | i find RGB Lagarith provides best compression at fast spees (no conversion to YUY2 / YV12) |
| 06:01:55 | raptor | do both of you always record in uncompressed first? |
| 06:02:00 | raptor | sorry, in lossless |
| 06:02:09 | raptor | (of course it's compressed) |
| 06:02:38 | sam686 | i used to record to lossy xvid, but the quality isn't that great, though i can upload that file directly to youtube |
| 06:03:10 | sam686 | and, xvid compression uses up too much CPU at 960 x 720 in my computer |
| 06:03:17 | raptor | oh yeah |
| 06:03:23 | raptor | what about lossless ffv1? |
| 06:03:54 | sam686 | i think i tried ffv1, but it was too slow for my computer.. |
| 06:04:33 | raptor | sam, the openal developer asked me to make a sound system change, i'm going to commit it in a minute.. |
| 06:04:49 | sam686 | ok |
| 06:07:18 | sam686 | youtube doesn't appear to support uploading avi file containing Lagarith video compression, though, so i guess i may have to convert to another format to allow uploading to youtube |
| 06:12:07 | sam686 | you said you wil commit in a minute.... it has been 8 minutes.. |
| 06:12:27 | raptor | yeah - got caught in a conversation with the dev |
| 06:13:59 | raptor | ok pushed |
| 06:14:01 | raptor | sorry |
| 06:14:03 | karamazovapy | http://www.bitfighter.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1285 |
| 06:14:05 | raptor | can you test again? |
| 06:14:33 | | BFLogBot - Commit d36022112e8d | Author: buckyballreaction | Log: OpenAL dev says it's cleaner to delete sources before buffers |
| 06:17:23 | sam686 | still same problem |
| 06:17:57 | sam686 | http://sam686.maxhushahn.com/upload/text1202/120211_00-02-56.txt |
| 06:18:09 | karamazovapy | funniest opening line to a post on the forums? Random Insanity, "Hello friends and Cleverbot!" |
| 06:18:55 | raptor | hahaha |
| 06:19:39 | karamazovapy | kid's got spunk |
| 06:20:05 | sam686 | i still think a possible fix might be to update openal.dll |
| 06:40:37 | raptor | sam686: stilla round to test something for me? |
| 06:43:10 | sam686 | YES |
| 06:43:22 | raptor | oh good |
| 06:43:39 | raptor | can you debug with these new DLLs and get a stack trace?: http://sam686.maxhushahn.com/upload/openal-alure-debug.7z |
| 06:43:48 | raptor | they are debug-built |
| 06:46:41 | sam686 | http://sam686.maxhushahn.com/upload/text1202/120211_00-02-32.txt |
| 06:47:01 | sam686 | Even though they might be debug build, i don't have the symbol files.. |
| 06:49:19 | sam686 | maybe the problem might instead be in ALURE32.dll ? |
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| 06:50:31 | raptor | what are the symbol files? |
| 06:50:35 | raptor | what extensions? |
| 06:52:14 | sam686 | maybe i could grab the entire source code of openal / alure and compile / debug |
| 06:52:24 | raptor | it's pretty complicated how i do it |
| 06:52:56 | raptor | i had to alter lots of settings so it wouldn't try to link in the vbrun files |
| 06:54:02 | sam686 | not sure what the problem may be otherwise, it might be alure problem... |
| 06:54:53 | raptor | tha't what i'm thinking |
| 06:55:04 | raptor | is it the .pdb file you need? |
| 06:55:40 | sam686 | i have another stack trace http://sam686.maxhushahn.com/upload/text1202/120211_00-02-23.txt |
| 06:55:58 | sam686 | in a second thought, i am not sure if i need pdb file... |
| 06:56:38 | sam686 | but, what i think a pdb file help on, is to display which .cpp file on which line... |
| 06:57:09 | raptor | ok, let me try to get you that.. |
| 07:02:37 | raptor | argh now it's not compiling anymore... what does 'definition of dll import not allowed' mean? |
| 07:05:10 | sam686 | not sure... |
| 07:11:58 | raptor | it's getting late... |
| 07:12:19 | sam686 | ok, good night |
| 07:12:33 | raptor | well, i'm not going to bed yet - but i don't want to keep you up |
| 07:14:41 | | BFLogBot - Commit 92eafba5b977 | Author: buckyballreaction | Log: Fix wrong version in ALURE config.h |
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| 07:34:14 | zoomber_mbp | hi |
| 07:34:27 | raptor | hi |
| 07:37:16 | zoomber_mbp | so i see |
| 07:37:18 | zoomber_mbp | the forums... |
| 07:38:51 | raptor | yes |
| 07:39:17 | raptor | oh, i see you saw we chopped off peoples post count :) |
| 07:39:34 | zoomber_mbp | oh wow indeed |
| 07:39:49 | zoomber_mbp | yet _k still has the same amount! |
| 07:39:55 | zoomber_mbp | man, he's a really active guy |
| 07:40:07 | zoomber_mbp | what dedication. though, i tend to avoid the forums now |
| 07:40:08 | raptor | he dropped some, too, but not much |
| 07:40:39 | zoomber_mbp | I find the forums too much for me to handle now, and will just go in once or twice, to lay down a few relevant posts |
| 07:41:25 | raptor | hehe - that's why watusimoto and I are banned from off-topic :) |
| 07:41:32 | zoomber_mbp | also, we really gotta can the blue "AFBL officer" titles, or is there a use for them? |
| 07:41:52 | zoomber_mbp | wait, you can ban me from just one forum category? |
| 07:41:58 | raptor | i think so |
| 07:42:09 | raptor | k knows how to best, but i may be able to... |
| 07:42:19 | zoomber_mbp | well, skipping over off topic isn't that hard to do |
| 07:42:29 | zoomber_mbp | its finding a bunch of other topics lying around everywhere overwhelming you |
| 08:03:24 | raptor | well, i'm off to bed |
| 08:03:27 | raptor | nigth all |
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| 09:04:55 | | BFLogBot - Commit a84d907f6eda | Author: buckyballreaction | Log: Update to ALURE 1.2 for real this time - last time was a miscompile on the old sources |
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| 09:05:23 | raptor | no one in their right mind should be up, but, this is for sam686: http://sam686.maxhushahn.com/upload/audio_library_debug_files.7z |
| 09:05:37 | raptor | ^^ finally got everything compiled in the correct debug modes |
| 09:05:39 | raptor | ok good night |
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| 16:32:18 | Opti_ | hi, |
| 16:32:51 | Opti_ | ll,l;k |
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| 16:36:14 | raptor | hi sam686 |
| 16:37:12 | sam686 | HI |
| 16:37:23 | raptor | I committed a different ALURE32.dll |
| 16:37:30 | raptor | could you test that? |
| 16:38:28 | raptor | and if it fails, can you get another stack trace with these files? (they are full debug builds): http://sam686.maxhushahn.com/upload/audio_library_debug_files.7z |
| 16:40:31 | raptor | I can't seem to get the bug to occur in my VM |
| 16:41:49 | sam686 | Was it using the proper working directory? if it can't find sfx or music or levels folder, then it won't seem to happen... |
| 16:42:10 | raptor | it launched an ogg file i had |
| 16:42:31 | raptor | so it was paying music and everything |
| 16:42:46 | raptor | *playing |
| 16:42:59 | sam686 | the problem is when quitting the game... |
| 16:43:21 | raptor | yes, i tried several times, quitting with music playing - no zombie process |
| 16:45:25 | sam686 | it seem to have fixed the problem, as of latest changes to repository... |
| 16:45:33 | raptor | oh really? |
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| 16:50:30 | raptor | maybe i'll make karamazovapy a build to test.. |
| 16:56:54 | sam686 | it looks like using ALURE32.dll on existing 016 fixes the quit CPU eating problem on 016, too (though i have a usual crash on exit on 016, but not on 017) |
| 16:57:06 | raptor | oh good |
| 16:57:09 | raptor | usuall crash? |
| 16:57:18 | raptor | oh yeah, i remember |
| 16:57:20 | raptor | nevermind |
| 16:57:37 | sam686 | i think it was in openal.dll or something similar.. |
| 16:57:56 | sam686 | i had the same usual crash on 015a too.. |
| 16:58:09 | sam686 | as in, crash on exit |
| 16:58:19 | raptor | but it's gone now? |
| 16:59:19 | sam686 | seem to be gone now, maybe your "OpenAL dev says it's cleaner to delete sources before buffers" fix seem to have fixed the openal crash, it appears... |
| 16:59:49 | raptor | ah, cool |
| 17:20:50 | raptor | ok, fixed another potential music issue |
| 17:20:52 | | BFLogBot - Commit fe2b811021a7 | Author: buckyballreaction | Log: Properly destroy music stream after each use (thanks again to KittyCat on #openal) |
| 17:23:06 | raptor | sam686: how useful is 'enable minimal build' again? (would watusimoto be upset if i turned it off?) |
| 17:25:20 | sam686 | basically, enable minimal rebuild only works if you change nothing except a few things including only comment changes.. |
| 17:25:25 | sam686 | but, there is more info here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/kfz8ad09(v=vs.80).aspx |
| 17:26:10 | raptor | ha! that's it? ok, i'm disabling |
| 17:26:56 | sam686 | my "bitfighter_sam" already had it disabled, with multithread build on.. |
| 17:28:34 | raptor | ok disabled.. |
| 17:30:55 | | BFLogBot - Commit ba93b736c84e | Author: buckyballreaction | Log: Turn off 'minimal rebuild' in vc++ 2010 solution - it isn't nearly as useful as it sounds, and it disables multiprocess building |
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| 17:42:59 | raptor | karamazovapy if you're around, could you test the music problem with this build? I think it's fixed: http://sam686.maxhushahn.com/upload/bitfighter-017-alpha-musicfix.7z |
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| 18:01:00 | | BFLogBot - Commit 88830d38d57a | Author: buckyballreaction | Log: Save notes on how to build OpenAL and ALURE libraries in windows |
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| 21:12:05 | zoomber_mbp | hi raptor |
| 21:16:03 | raptor | hi |
| 21:16:06 | raptor | howdy all |
| 21:17:21 | raptor | have i missed anything? |
| 21:24:37 | raptor | ok ok |
| 21:24:50 | raptor | did we decide that suicides aren't supposed to count in team bitmatch? |
| 21:25:18 | raptor | because they sure counted last night |
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| 21:30:30 | raptor | hi sam686 |
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| 22:31:35 | | BFLogBot - Commit 9dbccb0d9219 | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Try to clarify some confusing bits of our code, just a little |
| 22:31:37 | | BFLogBot - Commit 4ca7628beb8b | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: There, that's a bit more satisfying |
| 22:31:38 | | BFLogBot - Commit 38783b45d5db | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Consolidate code |
| 22:31:40 | | BFLogBot - Commit b00896dde1ac | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Contain vars |
| 22:31:41 | | BFLogBot - Commit 8e173752a5b3 | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: More internal menu cleanup |
| 22:31:43 | | BFLogBot - Commit 2be88b791ebd | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Fix offset crashing issue, arrow rendering position |
| 22:31:44 | | BFLogBot - Commit 8db4406377df | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Fixed wonky skipping around when jumping to level with first letter of level name |
| 22:31:46 | | BFLogBot - Commit ffe6bc7edb0c | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: whitespace |
| 22:31:47 | | BFLogBot - Commit 04d71e50aeca | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Move mouse to location of highlighted item after jumping to it with keystroke. Makes menu feel more solid. |
| 22:31:49 | | BFLogBot - Commit 3feca558c472 | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Merge |
| 22:31:50 | | BFLogBot - Commit bc657fcd1af7 | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Make mouse invisible by hackily suppressing spurious mouse event fired by warpMouse |
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| 23:36:19 | raptor | ah yes, now i remember - we added negative score to team bitmatch |
| 23:36:27 | raptor | ok, so it was working as intended |
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| 23:43:50 | zoomber_mbp | hey raptor, you still there |
| 23:45:13 | sam686 | HI |
| 23:45:22 | zoomber_mbp | lol hi sam686 |
| 23:46:04 | raptor | im' here zoomber_mbp |
| 23:46:22 | zoomber_mbp | is it possible to make turrets be able to shoot through cores? |
| 23:46:49 | zoomber_mbp | like the idea of placing a turret inside a core making it invincible, that is, until the core gets small enough for you to hit it |
| 23:47:13 | sam686 | might be possible, but the client will think the bullets have already hit that core, making it harder to get it to shoot through.. |
| 23:47:26 | raptor | not sure - i think you'd have to remove the collision detection, but that would make it hard for clients to shoot the core |
| 23:47:39 | raptor | also, cores don't shrink anymore |
| 23:47:43 | raptor | for 017 |
| 23:48:06 | zoomber_mbp | that doesn't matter, the map I'm making just needs turrets to be shootable after a core gets destroyed |
| 23:48:09 | zoomber_mbp | but, ok |
| 23:49:10 | zoomber_mbp | so, i'm guessing it would be hard to try that anyways |
| 23:49:32 | zoomber_mbp | see, i find cores as cool destroyable things, and maybe, health packs, or something like that, can be retrieved from inside |
| 23:49:47 | zoomber_mbp | one of my bonus ideas, would be the ability to destroy the pesky turret that keeps shooting you |
| 23:52:44 | zoomber_mbp | check out my server, if you can connect to it, raptor |
| 23:53:46 | zoomber_mbp | ok its up now |
| 23:54:33 | raptor | it disappeared |
| 23:54:33 | zoomber_mbp | sam686, your welcome to join too if you'd like |
| 23:54:43 | zoomber_mbp | yeah, just gotta add 1 more thing, sorry |
| 23:57:48 | zoomber_mbp | raptor, don't make me get you on: http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/internet-memes-zippity-qwop-boop.gif |
| 23:58:49 | raptor | haha |
| 23:59:04 | zoomber_mbp | is my server unconnectable? maybe a port forwarding is in needing |
| 23:59:15 | raptor | is it the 69 one? |
| 23:59:17 | zoomber_mbp | yes |
| 23:59:22 | zoomber_mbp | the 69 one lol |
| 23:59:28 | raptor | ping time out |
