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| 16:10:44 | raptor | hi Watusimoto |
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| 16:17:17 | Heyub | Good morning |
| 16:17:28 | raptor | hi Heyub |
| 16:17:42 | Zoomber | hoi |
| 16:17:49 | Heyub | Despite their only being one hour left of it >.< |
| 16:17:49 | Zoomber | heyub i dont think i've met you before |
| 16:18:04 | raptor | it's a sad, sad week when ChumpChange is top for 'Most games played' |
| 16:18:33 | Heyub | LOL really? |
| 16:19:00 | raptor | see the High Scores menu... |
| 16:19:02 | Zoomber | anyways hi |
| 16:19:06 | raptor | hi Zoomber |
| 16:19:11 | Heyub | hello zoomber |
| 16:26:16 | raptor | Renderwahn: hello again |
| 16:26:57 | Renderwahn | lo |
| 16:27:06 | raptor | welcome |
| 16:27:19 | raptor | how did you hear of bitfighter? |
| 16:27:28 | Renderwahn | happypenguin |
| 16:27:41 | raptor | hooray fellow Linux user! |
| 16:27:41 | Renderwahn | what's a good time to find a server with non bot players? |
| 16:28:08 | raptor | Heyub: when have you been seeing the players lately? |
| 16:28:38 | Heyub | Around 3-4PM there are usually some |
| 16:28:46 | Renderwahn | what timezone? :D |
| 16:28:53 | raptor | Renderwahn: I'd say usually in the late afternoon/evenings of eastern standard time (US) |
| 16:29:19 | Heyub | Yeah, what raptor said lol |
| 16:29:43 | raptor | it's been a bit quiet recently - we need to have an event soon |
| 16:29:59 | Renderwahn | okay, that's in the middle of the night for me |
| 16:30:06 | raptor | Renderwahn: what distro do you use? |
| 16:30:13 | Renderwahn | kubuntu |
| 16:30:55 | raptor | cool - i guess the ubuntu guys have finally released the 017a package, good |
| 16:31:08 | Renderwahn | dunno, i've build it from source |
| 16:31:28 | raptor | oh good, an advanced ubuntu user... we like those :) |
| 16:35:11 | Heyub | It would be cool if there was an activity chart, who is online is already tracked. |
| 16:35:22 | raptor | explain |
| 16:36:04 | raptor | you mean, like a historic calendar that shows timeframes of people online? |
| 16:36:36 | Heyub | http://store.steampowered.com/ |
| 16:36:49 | Heyub | Right below the midweek madness section |
| 16:37:02 | Heyub | (a picture can say a thousand words ;) ) |
| 16:37:45 | raptor | i'm not seeing it - i only see a headline: 'Midweek Madness - Dead Space Franchise' |
| 16:37:52 | raptor | (i don't have an account) |
| 16:37:55 | Renderwahn | http://store.steampowered.com/stats/ |
| 16:37:59 | Renderwahn | you don't need one |
| 16:38:13 | raptor | ohhhh.... |
| 16:38:22 | raptor | http://bitfighter.org/gamereports/ |
| 16:38:25 | raptor | and: |
| 16:38:33 | raptor | http://bitfighter.org/gamereports/graphs/ |
| 16:38:48 | raptor | rudimentary, but he have some stats... |
| 16:38:51 | raptor | *we |
| 16:39:09 | Heyub | Whoa... Why arnt these on the website? |
| 16:39:21 | raptor | umm... they are... |
| 16:39:24 | raptor | sort of... |
| 16:39:25 | Heyub | Or am I just looking... |
| 16:39:26 | Heyub | :o |
| 16:39:33 | raptor | i think i made an announcement a few months ago :) |
| 16:39:36 | raptor | in the forums |
| 16:39:40 | Renderwahn | depressing |
| 16:39:50 | raptor | ok, yeah, i need to work on advertising these... |
| 16:39:55 | Renderwahn | why don't you have 4*10^6 users like steam? :P |
| 16:40:02 | raptor | haha |
| 16:40:38 | raptor | we think we have a good game, but we've never hit 'critical mass': the point at which enough people know about it that there's always a game going on |
| 16:41:29 | Renderwahn | i can't say yet if the game is good. only played against some bots, and they were rather dumb :D |
| 16:41:55 | raptor | our s_bot needs work |
| 16:42:07 | raptor | if you know LUA, we'd accept more bots and code! |
| 16:42:44 | Renderwahn | i'm not particularly interested in LUA or AI -_- |
| 16:42:55 | raptor | hehe - my problem too |
| 16:43:30 | Heyub | I think you mighI gotta run, cya! |
| 16:43:42 | raptor | laterz |
| 17:24:19 | Renderwahn | looks like it is fun with some players |
| 17:26:22 | raptor | we think so :) |
| 17:26:27 | raptor | we just need the players... |
| 17:27:02 | Renderwahn | that's pretty much the problem of every game |
| 17:27:13 | Renderwahn | if it hasn't billions of advertisment behind it |
| 17:28:27 | Renderwahn | bawwww, there is a game with two players but it's password protected :D |
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| 19:14:17 | raptor | Hi IAmBeard |
| 19:14:28 | raptor | welcome to #bitfighter |
| 19:15:00 | IAmBeard | hi, thanks :) |
| 19:15:08 | IAmBeard | i was following the project on the SDL mailing list |
| 19:15:17 | IAmBeard | tried it out and really enjoyed the game |
| 19:15:49 | IAmBeard | i have a soft-spot for 2d space shooters |
| 19:15:51 | raptor | great! |
| 19:15:52 | IAmBeard | thanks DOS :P |
| 19:15:56 | raptor | haha |
| 19:16:30 | IAmBeard | i was curious, are you using a physics library, or are you doing more of a "roll it yourself" sort of thing? |
| 19:16:33 | raptor | if you don't mind my asking, what OS/Version do you use? |
| 19:16:42 | IAmBeard | windows 7 |
| 19:17:02 | raptor | ok |
| 19:17:10 | raptor | let's see... phsyics... |
| 19:17:14 | raptor | *physics.. |
| 19:17:56 | raptor | we use slightly modified form of Newton's cradle type physics. And it's definitely "roll it ourselves" |
| 19:18:06 | IAmBeard | because if you're using your own solution and wanted to switch, i've been playing with chipmunk physics for a few years now which is pretty easy |
| 19:18:18 | IAmBeard | but i guess it would be hard to integrate if you already have your own working solution |
| 19:18:23 | IAmBeard | ah, cool |
| 19:18:47 | raptor | yeah - our physics isn't too complicated |
| 19:19:08 | raptor | chipmunk physics, huh? |
| 19:19:21 | IAmBeard | yeah, ansi c |
| 19:19:47 | IAmBeard | i actually did a basic space shooter prototype a while back to play with it |
| 19:19:59 | raptor | huh, the author of that rings a bell from somewhere... |
| 19:20:07 | IAmBeard | slembcke? |
| 19:20:11 | raptor | yes |
| 19:20:13 | IAmBeard | yeah, he's here and there on the internet |
| 19:20:18 | IAmBeard | and he's a good guy |
| 19:20:31 | IAmBeard | i had some of his help porting chipmunk to a different language |
| 19:21:16 | raptor | ah ha! he was the guy who helped me with a patch on Mac +SDL once |
| 19:23:22 | IAmBeard | yeah, sounds like him |
| 19:24:16 | raptor | well cool - i was secretly hoping my post to SDL development list might generate more players :) |
| 19:26:10 | IAmBeard | i actually saw this project a while back, but it was right before i had moved from my old apartment and I sort of lost track of the name of the game :P |
| 19:29:00 | IAmBeard | when i gave it a run last night, i was quite surprised at how polished it was |
| 19:29:20 | IAmBeard | most of the games posted on the mailing list are sort of crappy and not really appealing to me |
| 19:29:26 | raptor | yeah me too |
| 19:29:32 | IAmBeard | but I guess that's a matter of taste *shrug* |
| 19:29:51 | raptor | we think we have lots of potential, we just have a small user base |
| 19:30:47 | IAmBeard | oh, i can help out a bit with that - I do semi-regular lan parties, so I'll introduce this into the roster |
| 19:31:17 | raptor | great! |
| 19:31:40 | raptor | we like to have a competition of sorts ever couple months.. we call it a 'BBB' Big Bitfighter Battle |
| 19:31:53 | IAmBeard | yeah, i was reading about that on the site :) |
| 19:32:07 | IAmBeard | so, it looks like you gents need some dev help, yeah? |
| 19:32:15 | raptor | always! :) |
| 19:32:25 | IAmBeard | what are you using for the website? rails? php? |
| 19:32:28 | raptor | there are three of us main developers |
| 19:32:36 | raptor | php mostly |
| 19:33:06 | raptor | two of us are fathers who hobby-develop :) |
| 19:33:24 | IAmBeard | if you give me about two weeks (i'll try and be regular on here, too), i could develop a rails based website for you - and I could possibly look into helping you integrate your game and website together |
| 19:33:36 | raptor | oh yikes |
| 19:33:46 | raptor | i'd talk to watusimoto (the lead developer) |
| 19:34:05 | IAmBeard | for instance, press something like f11 in game, and boom, auto-upload to your website's screenshot gallery |
| 19:34:13 | raptor | he put most the site together |
| 19:34:15 | IAmBeard | sure, when is he usually on? |
| 19:34:21 | raptor | although i've done a lot of the update work |
| 19:35:08 | raptor | he is in Luxemburg, so usually from the morning until 6pm EST |
| 19:35:36 | raptor | I'll admit i don't know much about Ruby |
| 19:39:14 | IAmBeard | well, to tell a secret, i'm more of a php guy myself, but by looking at what you need your site to do, rails looks like it's a better option for you |
| 19:40:38 | IAmBeard | the only downside is that rails hosting is sort of expensive; the options are either get a VM instance on amazon (expensive), find a host that supports rails and preferably ssh (still fairly expensive), or host it yourself |
| 19:41:10 | IAmBeard | for me, i go the host it yourself route, which means you get the most control over the system |
| 19:41:12 | raptor | we have a VPS that we've customized with config files and vi :) |
| 19:41:28 | IAmBeard | yeah, VPS would work great for rails |
| 19:41:43 | raptor | i am somewhat of an IT person and can set up basically anything, so ruby wouldn't be a problem |
| 19:42:24 | IAmBeard | awesome possum |
| 19:43:23 | IAmBeard | ah, sorry, i missed your message about being hobby devs - me too, I actually just got married a little over 6 months ago |
| 19:43:45 | raptor | great! |
| 19:43:48 | raptor | congrats! |
| 19:44:03 | IAmBeard | thanks :) |
| 19:44:48 | IAmBeard | so you gents run a programming team for a bunch of stuff, or do you mostly just stick to the bitfighter project? |
| 19:44:53 | IAmBeard | brb - my dog needs a walk |
| 19:46:10 | raptor | we just collaborate on all things bitfighter |
| 19:46:54 | raptor | the original dev, watusimoto, started it on his own about 3-4 years ago; then sam686 and myself got hooked about 1.5 years ago and joined on |
| 19:47:04 | raptor | none of us knew each other before hand |
| 20:05:24 | Heyub | Hah thats funny... Just got back from walking my dog. |
| 20:08:12 | IAmBeard | :) |
| 20:09:10 | IAmBeard | so who are all the devs (man that sentence doesn't seem right, but i'm rolling with it) |
| 20:10:10 | raptor | watusimoto (lead), sam686, and myself are The Big 3 (right now) |
| 20:10:22 | raptor | then Zoomber has done some Mac work in the past |
| 20:10:25 | Heyub | Whoa lots of people on bitfighter |
| 20:10:48 | Zoomber | i am a fallen dictator |
| 20:10:53 | raptor | and karamazovapy has done several of the stock levels and lots of testing |
| 20:11:05 | IAmBeard | cool beans |
| 20:11:25 | raptor | karamazovapy also usually does the contests and moderates the forums |
| 20:11:40 | raptor | but he started his own business about 2 months ago and is taking a break |
| 20:11:49 | raptor | we hope he comes back |
| 20:12:42 | IAmBeard | and do you guys have a dev roadmap for the game? |
| 20:13:10 | raptor | yes: http://bitfighter.org/wiki/index.php/Development_roadmap |
| 20:13:12 | raptor | :) |
| 20:13:53 | IAmBeard | that's not much of a roadmap :P |
| 20:14:14 | raptor | a better metric may be to look at the issues list |
| 20:14:16 | raptor | !bug |
| 20:14:16 | BFLogBot | To enter a bug, please make sure it is reproducible and then go to http://code.google.com/p/bitfighter/issues/list | Also, see current running bug list: http://bitfighter.org/wiki/index.php/Running_Bug_List |
| 20:14:25 | IAmBeard | is there any time that all of you meet up as developers to discuss features? |
| 20:15:28 | IAmBeard | in some form of conference? |
| 20:15:36 | raptor | since watusimoto moved to LU, it's been harder, but usually we do here in IRC when he's home anywhere from like 2 - 6pm EST |
| 20:16:00 | raptor | he is unfortunately on a business trip i think for the remainder of the week |
| 20:18:13 | IAmBeard | ah, okay |
| 20:18:21 | raptor | we're pretty casual |
| 20:18:31 | IAmBeard | just the way indie-dev should be :) |
| 20:18:57 | raptor | to be honest, i've been using this project as a learning/teaching tool for myself |
| 20:19:39 | IAmBeard | just by looking at the game and stuff, I have a few suggestions for UX and user management |
| 20:19:47 | raptor | great! |
| 20:19:53 | raptor | are you a member of the forums? |
| 20:19:58 | IAmBeard | not yet |
| 20:20:18 | raptor | there is a 'Bitfighter Features' part of the forums that we use to keep track of stuff |
| 20:20:34 | raptor | because things tend to disappear unless written down outside of IRC :) |
| 20:21:07 | raptor | and if you register with the forums, you can authenticate in-game and be underlined! |
| 20:21:25 | IAmBeard | ooooh :) |
| 20:21:38 | Heyub | And you get capital letters |
| 20:21:42 | raptor | hahaha |
| 20:21:46 | raptor | that's a bug i need to fix... |
| 20:22:03 | Heyub | lol :P |
| 20:22:11 | Renderwahn | Apply now, for your Bitfighter Gold Membership. ongl $9.99 per month |
| 20:22:17 | raptor | nawww |
| 20:22:28 | raptor | we're hobbiests! |
| 20:22:41 | Renderwahn | may i interest you in a silly Hat for you spacecraft instead? only $3.99 |
| 20:22:46 | raptor | haha |
| 20:23:02 | Heyub | It would look too much like a cheese ht |
| 20:23:05 | Heyub | hat* |
| 20:27:59 | | BFLogBot - Commit 0572e1bddab0 | Author: buckyballreaction | Log: Fix compiling on Linux |
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| 20:38:53 | raptor | hi sam686 |
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| 20:51:30 | cloakdood | Sup guys? |
| 20:51:37 | Heyub | Howdy cloakdood |
| 20:51:49 | raptor | hi cloakdood |
| 20:53:37 | Heyub | Ugh, tick season is here. |
| 20:53:45 | cloakdood | AP test season is here. |
| 20:54:13 | Heyub | AP? |
| 20:54:30 | raptor | awesome people |
| 20:54:37 | raptor | (not sure...) |
| 20:54:50 | cloakdood | Advance Placement classes in school. Essentially college credit. |
| 20:55:01 | raptor | oh yeah |
| 20:55:07 | Heyub | Oh |
| 20:57:46 | raptor | i'm going to break the master server... one moment |
| 20:59:02 | raptor | nobody freak out! |
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| 21:03:04 | | BFLogBot - Commit 55bef42ad395 | Author: buckyballreaction | Log: Fix master lowercasing names when trying to authenticate |
| 21:03:24 | raptor | sam686: did you server crash again? |
| 21:03:33 | raptor | and was it because I restarted the master? |
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| 21:05:41 | IAmBeard | so, the windows bfupdater is broken, it updated me to an older version =/ |
| 21:05:51 | raptor | what!>? |
| 21:05:59 | raptor | what version? |
| 21:06:07 | IAmBeard | release 016 |
| 21:06:21 | raptor | yikes |
| 21:06:25 | raptor | that's bad... |
| 21:06:33 | IAmBeard | yup |
| 21:07:38 | raptor | why did it do that now and not before? |
| 21:07:47 | raptor | what version did you download? |
| 21:09:01 | raptor | let me start a windows VM and see if it does it for me... |
| 21:12:31 | raptor | ok, i just tested 017a... it didn't prompt for an update - maybe it happens when master server is down? |
| 21:12:51 | IAmBeard | no, i forced the update |
| 21:13:24 | IAmBeard | and it told me when i did that there was a new update, so i said okay, and it downloaded 016 |
| 21:13:42 | IAmBeard | even as a forced update, it should have said either i was up to date, or redownloaded 017 |
| 21:14:30 | raptor | ah - so you are trying to break bitfighter.... |
| 21:14:33 | raptor | this is good! |
| 21:14:54 | IAmBeard | a good engineer likes to break things |
| 21:14:56 | Zoomber | hey raptor, want some retro sounds? i just discovered a jackpot of shaper effects i can make now |
| 21:15:41 | raptor | shaper effects? |
| 21:15:45 | Zoomber | what about one that goes, "whaaaaahahaha Teeeooowwwww" when you respawn? |
| 21:16:36 | raptor | uhh |
| 21:17:03 | raptor | i'm having a hard time wondering what that would really sound like... |
| 21:17:17 | Zoomber | i was sort of joking, but i could actually get somewhere |
| 21:17:22 | Zoomber | ill record the joke one |
| 21:19:24 | Zoomber | what file formats best for you> |
| 21:19:48 | raptor | any, i think |
| 21:24:26 | raptor | i gess i can't receive it via DCC |
| 21:24:28 | sam686 | i don't really get it, a corrupted uploaded level crash server? http://sam686.maxhushahn.com/upload/upload_8_problem.level (there is multiple gametypes and such, as if multiple levels somehow merged into one) |
| 21:24:29 | raptor | *guess |
| 21:24:40 | raptor | hi sam686 |
| 21:24:47 | raptor | Zoomber: use sam's upload3.php |
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| 21:25:50 | Zoomber | oh, forgot about that |
| 21:25:51 | Zoomber | ok |
| 21:26:08 | Zoomber | http://sam686.maxhushahn.com/upload/oops.aif |
| 21:26:15 | sam686 | DCC will probably not work when both users are behind a firewall / NAT router... |
| 21:28:09 | raptor | i can't seem to download any files from sam686's server... but i can see the directory contents... |
| 21:32:04 | Zoomber | can sam play that sound on his computer? |
| 21:32:28 | raptor | i keep getting: HTTP request sent, awaiting response... Read error (Connection reset by peer) in headers. |
| 21:32:56 | raptor | wait, it's coming now |
| 21:33:01 | sam686 | not sure why my server was like having problems (even 127.0.0.1 on my hosting http server don't respond) |
| 21:33:09 | sam686 | just restarted httpd apache |
| 21:33:17 | raptor | ah, that's why it's workign now.. |
| 21:33:29 | raptor | haha funny sound Zoomber |
| 21:34:17 | raptor | sam686: that level downloaded as 800KB |
| 21:34:40 | raptor | and had random binary data at the start |
| 21:34:55 | sam686 | yes, thats not right, but it happen to appear in a server as "uploaded_8_.level" |
| 21:35:02 | sam686 | something might have caused it, not sure.. |
| 21:52:24 | IAmBeard | well gents, i'm going to sign off for now, but I'll try and be a little more regular here |
| 21:56:17 | raptor | later! |
| 21:56:47 | raptor | does anyone notice anything different about the names in the 'Players Online:' list? :) |
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| 22:02:12 | sam686 | all i see is Players Online: ChumpChange, ChumpChange |
| 22:02:27 | raptor | yup!\ |
| 22:02:34 | raptor | and they're capitalized! |
| 22:04:16 | sam686 | though, whats the point of "ChumpChange" name? Could have been a different default name like "player" "un-named" "Bit-Player"... |
| 22:04:48 | raptor | I have no idea; I think watusimoto wants to keep it for history-sak |
| 22:04:50 | raptor | *sake |
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| 23:05:14 | raptor | ok, i think i fixed the updater |
| 23:05:23 | raptor | this URL was broken: http://bitfighter.org/files/getDownloadUrl.php |
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