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| 00:17:26 | raptor | koda: hedgewars alpha 2! yay |
| 00:23:01 | koda | \o/ |
| 00:23:16 | koda | and so many bugs got reported /o\ |
| 00:23:57 | | raptor can't tell if that was sarcastic... |
| 00:24:27 | koda | either way it's moar work to do |
| 00:24:36 | koda | while gsoc approaching |
| 00:24:53 | raptor | how many students will you be hosting this year? |
| 00:25:19 | koda | depends if i can get other projects involved |
| 00:25:22 | koda | like fpc or cmake |
| 00:26:31 | raptor | worst case scenario? 1? |
| 00:26:44 | raptor | we're thinking maaaaybe 1 for us |
| 00:26:50 | koda | yay |
| 00:26:53 | koda | 1 is cool |
| 00:27:09 | raptor | but I'm super busy, and watusimoto will be on hiatus for a couple of weeks |
| 00:27:24 | raptor | and kaen might be a student elsewhere.. :) |
| 00:29:05 | kaen | raptor, would you like to see the monstrosity you helped bring upon this world? |
| 00:29:11 | raptor | uhh |
| 00:29:13 | raptor | sure! |
| 00:29:19 | kaen | area 51 |
| 00:29:21 | raptor | ok |
| 00:29:22 | kaen | password is skunkworks |
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| 00:32:11 | Little_Apple | hello |
| 00:32:18 | koda | hi little one |
| 00:32:20 | raptor | hi |
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| 00:33:26 | Little_Apple | hello |
| 00:37:53 | raptor | now that 018a is one we need a BBB |
| 00:37:58 | raptor | *is out |
| 00:38:15 | koda | bbb? |
| 00:38:34 | raptor | !bbb |
| 00:38:34 | BFLogBot | Big Bitfighter Battle! |
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| 00:39:52 | Little_Apple | maybe a bbb after the level contest party? |
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| 00:42:41 | Fordcars | hi |
| 00:42:44 | raptor | hi |
| 00:43:13 | raptor | yeah, we need one soon, but we have a contest party, too |
| 00:44:26 | Fordcars | BBB :D |
| 00:45:52 | raptor | i'm glad we got 018a out - because I have a feeling 019 may take a while.. |
| 00:46:07 | Fordcars | Iits out? |
| 00:46:16 | raptor | i know watusimoto says breaking compatibility doesn't mean a longer release |
| 00:46:20 | kaen | cool! |
| 00:46:20 | Fordcars | *it's |
| 00:46:24 | kaen | it's let's break things |
| 00:46:32 | raptor | but in practice that has never happened.. |
| 00:46:34 | kaen | s/it's// |
| 00:46:47 | raptor | Fordcars: 018a was released yesterday |
| 00:47:05 | raptor | time to break! experiment! |
| 00:47:10 | Fordcars | sorry :/ ok |
| 00:47:23 | raptor | actually, now we can start changing the GUI up |
| 00:47:34 | raptor | some make so the login screen isn't first |
| 00:47:39 | raptor | *somehow |
| 00:47:49 | Fordcars | why? |
| 00:48:04 | Fordcars | oh, like zap? |
| 00:48:17 | raptor | because koda says it's bad form to prompt a user when you start an application |
| 00:48:29 | kaen | that sounds like good advice |
| 00:48:38 | kaen | I felt accosted when I first opened bifighter, too |
| 00:48:45 | raptor | haha, me too! |
| 00:48:48 | koda | +1 |
| 00:49:03 | Fordcars | yeah :p |
| 00:49:28 | raptor | i agree with koda that the spash start-up makes a great intro |
| 00:49:49 | raptor | and i did work to have anonymous master connections so the MOTD can still be requested without log in |
| 00:51:13 | Fordcars | heh, we should do like zap when you login when you enter lobby room? Or in-game command /login <username> <password> ...? |
| 00:52:21 | raptor | is that how Zap did it? |
| 00:53:41 | Fordcars | yeah |
| 00:53:56 | Fordcars | I think. Well the demo does that |
| 00:54:16 | Fordcars | so yeah |
| 00:55:28 | raptor | Fordcars: if you start your old bitfighter on your PPC, did it prompt you to update? |
| 00:55:56 | Fordcars | yep |
| 00:56:05 | raptor | oh good |
| 00:56:09 | raptor | and did the update work? |
| 00:56:16 | raptor | (because I've actually never tried on PPC) |
| 00:58:06 | Fordcars | euh... I didn't try yet but I can't go on it right now... it's a long story ;) |
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| 01:00:04 | raptor | OK, let me know whenever |
| 01:00:25 | Fordcars | ok ;) |
| 01:01:00 | Fordcars | ok FINE I'll try to get on my PPC |
| 01:01:19 | raptor | not urgent, just curious.. |
| 01:01:33 | koda | :D |
| 01:02:58 | Fordcars | ok booted |
| 01:03:58 | Fordcars | Ok yeah one problem, I forgot |
| 01:04:21 | Little_Apple | raptor! |
| 01:04:37 | Fordcars | in the release notes, it's just bitfighter.org home page... |
| 01:04:42 | Little_Apple | i have a request that might not actually be possible! |
| 01:06:25 | raptor | Fordcars: what do you think it should be? |
| 01:06:30 | raptor | Little_Apple: ? |
| 01:06:38 | Little_Apple | auto update for dedicated servers? |
| 01:06:38 | Fordcars | raptor, when you download bitfighter update, where does it put it while downloading |
| 01:06:52 | raptor | i have no idea |
| 01:07:06 | raptor | Little_Apple: uhh |
| 01:07:14 | Little_Apple | :P |
| 01:07:14 | Fordcars | oh and Awesome updater!!!! |
| 01:07:19 | Fordcars | ok... |
| 01:07:40 | raptor | there is actually no updating mechanism for linux |
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| 01:16:49 | koda | raptor: you don't need one really, packaging systems work pretty well |
| 01:19:25 | raptor | koda: yeah, i agree - it's just packaging for all the various distros that's the problem |
| 01:19:35 | raptor | luckily the OBS mitigates that a little.. |
| 01:19:47 | koda | obs? |
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| 01:20:02 | raptor | for example (bitfighter's page): https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=bitfighter&project=games |
| 01:20:10 | raptor | 'Open Build Service' |
| 01:20:23 | raptor | I use it to package hedgewars for openSUSE :) |
| 01:20:32 | koda | nice |
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| 01:44:24 | Nothing_Much | new version? |
| 01:46:01 | Nothing_Much | oh, desura version needs to be updated |
| 01:47:07 | raptor | desura needs to be approved :) |
| 01:47:16 | raptor | (new version already uploaded) |
| 01:50:40 | Nothing_Much | nice :D |
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| 03:08:36 | kaen | !bot |
| 03:08:36 | BFLogBot | I'm a real boy! |
| 03:08:44 | Nothing_Much | lol |
| 03:42:06 | Nothing_Much | Is BF considered a beta type game? Because I see 018 as something that's still in development before it hits stable. |
| 03:42:40 | Nothing_Much | kaen? |
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| 04:53:29 | amgine1234567890 | hi |
| 05:05:30 | Nothing_Much | hello |
| 05:06:17 | amgine1234567890 | i need a stand alone verion of BF 18a in a zip format |
| 05:08:07 | Nothing_Much | bitfighter.org? |
| 05:10:12 | amgine1234567890 | there are tencincal reasons why i need it in a ZIP format and not the installter format. |
| 05:13:54 | Nothing_Much | not sure where to find one, sorry |
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| 06:50:35 | SHADOW__ | hello |
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| 15:51:11 | kodapad | Hi hi |
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| 19:03:49 | kaen | hi Nothing_Much, I was afk |
| 19:04:11 | kaen | I don't think bitfighter's in beta any more, but rather we do rolling releases. |
| 19:04:22 | kaen | so we release, and if necessary re-release with critical bugfixes |
| 19:05:09 | kaen | and we append a letter signifier on releases that are network compatible with the previous version (as 018a is with 018) |
| 19:07:55 | kaen | so I guess it's not a rolling release at all, since we do version bumps with it |
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| 19:41:24 | raptor | hello! |
| 19:45:33 | kaen | good day |
| 19:46:32 | raptor | hi |
| 19:47:02 | raptor | i'm waiting a couple days before working on 019 just to see if something horrible was missed with the release... |
| 19:47:13 | kaen | heh |
| 19:52:26 | raptor | what i see: http://sam6.25u.com/upload/4screenshot_6.png |
| 19:54:47 | kaen | what I see: http://sam6.25u.com/upload/3screenshot_13.png |
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| 19:55:32 | raptor | sorry, this is mine: http://sam6.25u.com/upload/5screenshot_6.png |
| 19:57:03 | raptor | wow kaen, that's like exactly what 015a looked like! |
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| 20:10:14 | cloakdood | So |
| 20:10:28 | cloakdood | I heard this was super active |
| 20:10:35 | raptor | so buttons! |
| 20:11:50 | cloakdood | ...? |
| 20:12:07 | raptor | cloakdood: did you upgrade to 018a? |
| 20:12:17 | cloakdood | Yeah. |
| 20:12:37 | raptor | what platform? |
| 20:12:48 | raptor | (if windows / osx, did the updater work OK?) |
| 20:13:33 | cloakdood | The updater did, in fact, work |
| 20:13:40 | cloakdood | I was rather surprised that you guys implemented one. |
| 20:14:01 | cloakdood | Mac OS, if that is relevant |
| 20:16:03 | raptor | oh good |
| 20:16:19 | raptor | yeah, actually koda deserves the praise for that - i'm glad it worked |
| 20:19:44 | cloakdood | Neat. |
| 20:20:25 | raptor | kaen: bitfighter is ugly on your screen! |
| 20:20:30 | kaen | sure is :< |
| 20:20:47 | kaen | but why? |
| 20:20:54 | raptor | i'm looking up the exact reason... |
| 20:21:01 | | raptor is browsing through the commit logs |
| 20:21:33 | raptor | 46a5d8087d53 |
| 20:21:56 | raptor | err |
| 20:21:57 | raptor | 01fa19444384 |
| 20:22:26 | raptor | that's when we turned on for the whole game: glEnable(GL_BLEND) |
| 20:22:43 | raptor | so.. does that mean your graphics card doesn't support that? |
| 20:22:48 | raptor | or graphics chip? |
| 20:22:57 | cloakdood | You guys switched to OpenGL? |
| 20:23:15 | raptor | cloakdood: as far as I've been part of the game it has been OpenGL |
| 20:23:20 | cloakdood | Intriguing |
| 20:23:39 | raptor | otherwise it couldn't run as cross-platform friendly |
| 20:27:47 | kaen | well I'm using gallium |
| 20:27:53 | kaen | I'll check with fglrx |
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| 20:32:10 | kaen | good news: using fglrx fixes it |
| 20:32:16 | kaen | bad news: using fglrx |
| 20:32:40 | raptor | blech |
| 20:32:56 | kaen | maybe I should try writing a gallium patch... |
| 20:33:03 | kaen | it's always been a goal of mine anyway |
| 20:33:51 | raptor | huh |
| 20:34:25 | raptor | from what i read, gallium should support the blending.. |
| 20:34:29 | raptor | maybe it's really recent? |
| 20:34:33 | kaen | gallium does I'm sure |
| 20:34:43 | kaen | but perhaps the actual radeon driver does not |
| 20:34:50 | raptor | ahhhh |
| 20:35:22 | kaen | I'm checking the feature matrix to be sure |
| 20:35:26 | kaen | if I can ever find it... |
| 20:35:31 | kaen | the mesa wiki is such a mess. |
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| 20:39:09 | raptor | it sure is |
| 20:40:58 | kaen | okay, MSAA is "mostly" implemented for the driver I'm using |
| 20:41:09 | kaen | but apparently is not enabled by default ._. |
| 20:41:25 | kaen | which means rebuilding mesa if I really want it. |
| 20:41:40 | cloakdood | Curious |
| 20:41:55 | kaen | eh, I have notoriously finnicky graphics card |
| 20:43:25 | kaen | funny how the entire GLSL pipeline is enabled but simple alpha blending is not, though. |
| 20:45:15 | cloakdood | You know what would be awesome? |
| 20:45:24 | cloakdood | Adding some depth to the HUD, akin to halo 4 |
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| 20:59:12 | kaen | you mean visual-spacial depth? |
| 20:59:26 | kaen | how the H4 HUD looks like it's projected onto a visor? |
| 21:14:14 | Watusimoto | hi |
| 21:14:20 | raptor | hi |
| 21:21:57 | cloakdood | hi |
| 21:22:13 | raptor | Watusimoto: so far not too many fires after release.. |
| 21:22:24 | Watusimoto | that's good! |
| 21:22:43 | raptor | desura is waiting to be approved... no one has reported any actual game bugs yet.. |
| 21:28:48 | Watusimoto | ok, that's good. Did the linux stuff ever get approved? |
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| 21:31:44 | Watusimoto | the site says it's available for win, mac, and linux |
| 21:38:21 | | BFLogBot Commit: 2df40842bc86 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Whitespace, one (1) |
| 21:42:37 | Nothing_Much | Yeah, the linux stuff has been approved, now the newer version needs to be accepted for all versions I think |
| 21:49:35 | Watusimoto | excellent |
| 21:50:14 | raptor | whitespace! |
| 21:52:47 | Watusimoto | so how big should we allow polygons to get? current limit is 32 vertices |
| 21:53:20 | Watusimoto | could double to 64, go to 99 (to retain 2 digit vertex numbers in the editor), or go up beyond that |
| 21:55:10 | Watusimoto | transmitting 127 v. 99 would use the same number of bits... kicking up to 129 would require an extra bit. Not sure what happens at 128. Though this is not a bit-sensitive operation. |
| 21:55:36 | raptor | what about sending levels to clients at start of new level? |
| 21:55:40 | raptor | *sending walls |
| 21:55:50 | raptor | i'd say allow up to 126/127 |
| 21:56:03 | raptor | maybe |
| 21:56:08 | raptor | oh |
| 21:56:09 | raptor | also |
| 21:56:17 | raptor | we'd have to increase the level line size |
| 21:56:26 | raptor | max is 4096 chars i think |
| 21:56:46 | raptor | that might be where the real limit is.. |
| 22:01:00 | cloakdood | You guys should use trance for the game music |
| 22:01:10 | cloakdood | It matches the tempo of the game. |
| 22:03:06 | raptor | what is trance? |
| 22:03:13 | raptor | a genre? |
| 22:03:27 | raptor | (and do you have examples?) |
| 22:04:03 | cloakdood | Go to di.fm |
| 22:04:12 | cloakdood | And click on trance / classictrance |
| 22:06:59 | raptor | ok |
| 22:07:36 | raptor | yeah, that's actually pretty close to what we're using... i wonder if there is a trance section of the modarchive |
| 22:11:08 | cloakdood | It's just the music in bitfighter doesn't really match |
| 22:14:44 | | BFLogBot Commit: 9f10679e1f7d | Author: watusimoto | Message: Move gMaxPolygonPoints into Geometry. Does not increase number of points. |
| 22:15:43 | raptor | oh |
| 22:15:53 | raptor | some of our music is considered trance |
| 22:16:26 | raptor | under the category of Trance - Dream |
| 22:16:30 | raptor | at the mod archive.. |
| 22:17:29 | cloakdood | Hm. |
| 22:18:00 | raptor | we chose music from the same author to make be somewhat consistent.. |
| 22:26:56 | cloakdood | It's just not as high-octane as much as I think it should be. |
| 22:27:00 | cloakdood | So, eh. |
| 22:27:02 | cloakdood | Whatever. |
| 22:32:56 | Nothing_Much | I think it's possible to add your own music to a server |
| 22:33:43 | Watusimoto | it is |
| 22:33:59 | Watusimoto | and in some distant future, it will be possible to add music to other peoples' servers as well |
| 22:34:39 | Watusimoto | actually... replace "server" with "client" in the above three lines |
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| 22:56:56 | raptor | Watusimoto: what does the future hold for 019? |
| 22:57:04 | raptor | Lua 52? |
| 22:59:27 | raptor | ok, our team sorting needs help.. |
| 23:02:36 | Watusimoto | well... the plan we discussed thursday is fix a few more bugs (including lua), make some minor enhancements, and release |
| 23:03:08 | Watusimoto | but we could always change that if it would be better |
| 23:03:16 | raptor | ah yes - and here I am thinking 'compatibility broken time to break everything!' |
| 23:15:44 | Watusimoto | well, you can break some things :-) |
| 23:15:53 | Watusimoto | I'm going to bed... more tomorrow! |
| 23:16:37 | raptor | night |
| 23:19:29 | kaen | raptor, is there a blacklist for master? |
| 23:19:38 | kaen | might consider adding doodgie to it, if so |
| 23:19:49 | raptor | i think sam686 may have programmed something to that effect... |
| 23:19:59 | raptor | yeah, we have ourselves another troll |
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| 23:21:15 | kaen | I don't understand why, though |
| 23:21:26 | kaen | but apparently somebody upset him along the line |
| 23:21:28 | | kaen shrugs. |
| 23:21:30 | raptor | ? |
| 23:21:52 | kaen | like, why he turned all trollish |
| 23:21:59 | raptor | suggested to him once that he take his concerns to the forums |
| 23:22:07 | kaen | he was cool and having fun like three days ago |
| 23:22:11 | kaen | yes, me too |
| 23:22:20 | kaen | he just keeps telling me to "STHU" |
| 23:22:23 | kaen | which is cute |
| 23:22:28 | kaen | but not in an endearing way. |
| 23:22:38 | raptor | my last conversation with him was basically "you killed this game" |
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| 23:22:47 | kaen | yeah |
| 23:22:49 | raptor | and "this game was ruined by you.." |
| 23:22:51 | raptor | etc |
| 23:23:12 | kaen | now he's just sitting in the global chat doing basically the same |
| 23:23:27 | raptor | there was a mute command for global chat at one time, i thought |
| 23:28:05 | raptor | huh |
| 23:28:12 | raptor | i just did /hideplayer on him... |
| 23:28:15 | raptor | got odd feedback |
| 23:28:36 | raptor | i think it worked... |
| 23:28:55 | raptor | actually, maybe it hid everyone else... |
| 23:33:06 | cloakdood | Doodgie? |
| 23:33:09 | cloakdood | Interesting. |
| 23:35:24 | raptor | cloakdood: he isn't your alter-ego is he? |
| 23:35:39 | cloakdood | Not that I know of |
| 23:41:16 | raptor | ok, so obviously /hideplayer doesn't quite work as expected... it hit every other player instead |
| 23:41:36 | kaen | interesting... |
| 23:41:43 | raptor | but |
| 23:42:09 | raptor | i think it only works for current connections.. |
| 23:42:22 | raptor | now i show in the JSON... |
| 23:42:27 | raptor | but you don't |
| 23:42:41 | kaen | whoa |
| 23:43:00 | raptor | so it works on everyone except the target... |
| 23:43:05 | raptor | which. |
| 23:43:07 | raptor | is bad |
| 23:43:16 | kaen | comic genius. |
| 23:43:32 | raptor | master.cpp:1412 is where the fun starts.. |
| 23:44:11 | cloakdood | :1412 |
| 23:44:12 | cloakdood | wat |
| 23:44:16 | raptor | line 1412 |
| 23:44:19 | cloakdood | I know |
| 23:44:20 | raptor | in the source code |
| 23:44:25 | cloakdood | Isn't that a bit large? |
| 23:44:29 | cloakdood | For a single source file? |
| 23:44:31 | raptor | maybe... |
| 23:44:37 | raptor | you should check out UIEditor.cpp |
| 23:45:22 | raptor | it used to be around 10000 lines |
| 23:45:26 | raptor | oh neat |
| 23:45:41 | raptor | you can private message in the lobby by doing this: /kean hello |
| 23:45:45 | raptor | uhh |
| 23:45:53 | raptor | this: /kaen: hello there |
| 23:45:54 | kaen | :| |
| 23:46:19 | cloakdood | intriguing |
| 23:46:37 | cloakdood | Also, could you make it so ctrl-left deletes the previous word? |
| 23:46:44 | cloakdood | in chat, that is |
| 23:46:57 | raptor | is that a convention? i thought it was ctrl+W |
| 23:47:28 | cloakdood | does that not close the window...? |
| 23:47:36 | raptor | uhhh |
| 23:47:52 | kaen | definitely ^W |
| 23:47:55 | raptor | hmmm, i guess it does in some apps |
| 23:48:05 | kaen | we should just use readline |
| 23:48:10 | raptor | but ctrl+W is historically how you... |
| 23:48:10 | kaen | "just" |
| 23:48:11 | raptor | yes |
| 23:48:13 | raptor | readline.. |
| 23:48:19 | raptor | we've reinvented it.. |
| 23:48:23 | raptor | in BF |
| 23:48:30 | kaen | incompletely, though |
| 23:48:33 | cloakdood | Why ctrl-w? |
| 23:48:34 | raptor | yeah |
| 23:48:44 | kaen | there's a library for the whole functionality |
| 23:48:47 | raptor | and everytime we touch the chat code again we think "we should use readline" |
| 23:48:56 | kaen | ah, I see |
| 23:49:21 | cloakdood | and by ctrl-left I meant ctrl+backspace |
| 23:49:24 | cloakdood | whoops |
| 23:51:54 | cloakdood | What do you guys think of hawken? |
| 23:55:57 | raptor | i have no idea what that is |
| 23:56:06 | | BFLogBot Commit: 1bf43c7ed48c | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Fix /hideplayer command on master. Do we want this command? |
| 23:58:54 | raptor | kaen: there is an INI option for no team changing now, in case you wanted to add it to your servers.. |
