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IRC Log for 2013-08-11

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09:41:30 raptor confirmed no game-clock in the windows build
09:42:00 raptor also bitfighter runs wonderfully in WINE...  :)
09:53:17 raptor kaen: can I trigger a clean rebuild of the windows build in the buildbot?
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14:10:14 raptor been looking on github for any references to bitfighter
14:10:17 raptor found this: https://github.com/joaompinto/tux4win/blob/master/data/products/bitfigther.xml
14:37:00 Skybax Neato
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15:31:26 BFLogBot Commit: 2de577378b18 | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Modify some FF helper messages to have correct team search
15:32:11 raptor Skybax: you still around?
15:32:26 BFBuildBot build containing revision(s) [2de5773] on bitfighter-w32-cross is complete: Failure [failed shell_1]  Build details are at http://buildbot.bitfighter.org/builders/bitfighter-w32-cross/builds/256  blamelist: buckyballreaction@gmail.com
15:34:10 raptor kaen: did you ever figure out how to offset the builders?  I think that one died because two were going at the same time
15:38:32 BFBuildBot build containing revision(s) [2de5773] on bitfighter-w32-cross is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.bitfighter.org/builders/bitfighter-w32-cross/builds/257
15:39:33 raptor ok that was a full rebuild..
15:39:42 raptor now to see if we have a game timer
15:46:48 raptor still no... hmm...
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17:44:05 raptor we have memory leaks..
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22:04:53 kaen evening, raptor
22:05:10 kaen I looked at the memory leaks
22:05:13 raptor hello!
22:05:25 raptor ah yes, i got pulled away before I could post those..
22:05:53 raptor what did you find?
22:06:29 kaen I believed I fixed the uninitialized data in sendto (TNL) but the rest of leaks I found appeared to be in sdl
22:06:46 raptor ah
22:06:54 raptor well...
22:07:15 raptor where can I post a .gz for you..
22:07:22 raptor sam's site is down again..
22:08:58 raptor nevermind, i'll just use ftp from work :)
22:09:49 raptor kaen: ftp://ftp.novell.com/outgoing/memcheck.log
22:10:34 raptor I did a quick runthrough of various things:  hosting, editing, testing, levelgens, bots, random menus
22:10:41 raptor and came up with quite a bit it seemed
22:11:17 raptor also, if you got those TNL uninitialized value errors, then I'm impressed - they've stumped me at least 3 times so far..
22:13:11 kaen valgriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiind
22:13:35 raptor haha
22:14:32 kaen you were much more thorough than I was!
22:19:03 raptor yeah, honestly I don't know where these all came from
22:19:30 raptor There's some big ones with TNL::StringTable
22:19:40 raptor near the end, but most are menus??
22:19:53 kaen interesting.
22:20:59 raptor it's almost like none of the editor objects are being cleaned up?
22:21:11 raptor I see a nexusitem..  wallitem
22:21:19 raptor thos were all objects I played with
22:21:22 raptor *those
22:22:23 raptor oh whoa
22:22:39 raptor maybe they all appeared when just switching gametypes from the editor menu...
22:29:17 kaen oh, I forgot
22:29:27 kaen BfObject::lua_removeFromGame
22:29:35 kaen is wrapping deleteObject
22:29:44 raptor yes
22:29:56 kaen calling removeFromGame on a goalzone in a plugin triggers an assert
22:30:04 kaen can not delete ghosting object
22:30:17 kaen I switched it from deleteObject to removeFromGame(true)
22:30:23 kaen plugin works fine now
22:30:28 kaen does that sound right?
22:30:32 kaen (haven't pushed yet)
22:30:43 raptor what does the boolean do?
22:30:50 raptor call deleteObject or not?
22:30:54 kaen yes
22:31:26 raptor is that assert even necessary?
22:31:45 kaen umm you probably should not delete an object with active ghosts
22:32:00 kaen the editor's delete key call removeFromGame(true)
22:32:10 raptor huh
22:32:12 kaen calls*
22:33:04 raptor how come i'm not finding that in UIEditor..
22:34:09 raptor oh
22:34:17 raptor is it because of removeFromDatabase
22:34:28 kaen ah, yes, that's rikght
22:34:29 kaen right.
22:34:32 kaen it's deep in there
22:34:55 raptor ok, I think it's a good change
22:34:58 kaen ok
22:35:05 kaen I'm pushing that and the tnl sendto fix
22:35:14 kaen just retested with valgrind
22:35:15 raptor great!
22:35:16 raptor ok
22:35:37 raptor I narrowed down one memory leak:  open editor on any level, switch gametypes, close
22:35:43 BFLogBot Commit: 8524621d370b | Author: kaen  | Message: use BfObject::removeFromGame rather than deleteObject in lua_removeFromGame
22:35:45 BFLogBot Commit: f158d77d5ba7 | Author: kaen  | Message: initialize internal buffer in TNL::PacketStream
22:36:56 raptor no adverse effects with that TNL change?  (I like to double/triple check with anything regarding TNL...)
22:37:12 kaen I hosted and connected through the public ip
22:37:32 raptor ok
22:37:44 raptor it's just...  TNL seems scary to change sometimes
22:38:11 kaen well, it's from the dark ages
22:38:39 kaen a modern network library would presumably have a test battery
22:41:13 raptor will that change of yours slow down the stream much?
22:41:41 kaen not at all
22:42:04 kaen actually, now I'm doubting myself
22:42:24 kaen it depends how often those get constructed. I assume once per connection
22:42:35 BFBuildBot build containing revision(s) [f158d77] on bitfighter-w32-cross is complete: Failure [failed shell_1]  Build details are at http://buildbot.bitfighter.org/builders/bitfighter-w32-cross/builds/259  blamelist: kaen <bkconrad@gmail.com>
22:42:42 kaen noooooooooooooooooooooo
22:42:53 kaen memset
22:43:00 kaen I probably need a header.
22:43:23 raptor heh
22:43:25 raptor maybe...
22:43:28 raptor uhh
22:43:30 raptor hmmm
22:43:36 kaen /home/bitfighter/slave/bitfighter-w32-cross/build/zap/config.cpp:170: error: expected unqualified-id before �;� token
22:43:44 raptor what!
22:45:04 kaen BFBuildBot, force bitfighter-w32-cross
22:45:04 BFBuildBot try 'force build [--branch=BRANCH] [--revision=REVISION] [--props=PROP1=VAL1,PROP2=VAL2...]  <WHICH> <REASON>'
22:45:27 raptor well that looks simple...
22:45:44 raptor need reason?
22:46:11 kaen I tried in pm and it's not configured right anyway
22:46:22 kaen I just used the web interface
22:46:38 kaen http://buildbot.bitfighter.org:8010/builders/bitfighter-w32-cross/builds/260/steps/shell_1/logs/stdio
22:47:06 kaen looks like it'll go
22:48:15 BFBuildBot build containing revision(s) [] on bitfighter-w32-cross is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.bitfighter.org/builders/bitfighter-w32-cross/builds/260
22:49:36 kaen man ...
22:49:54 kaen PacketStreams get constructed for every sent packet
22:49:59 raptor yuk
22:50:08 kaen I wonder how big that buffer is
22:50:25 raptor i think we should keep the uninitialized values...  and maybe solve it at it's source
22:50:33 raptor if it gets constructed so much
22:50:41 raptor or ignore it for another release
22:52:07 kaen sounds good to me
22:52:20 kaen no reason to risk a performance regression for a valgrind message :P
22:53:15 raptor haha
22:53:32 kaen yeah that buffer is 1500 bytes
22:53:51 raptor sadness
22:54:24 kaen I didn't think of just not reading the buffer though
22:55:44 BFLogBot Commit: 69d89679d1dd | Author: kaen  | Message: Backed out changeset f158d77d5ba7
22:55:49 raptor ha!
22:56:03 raptor the memory leak on gametype switching was in 018a
22:56:10 raptor don't feel so bad now..
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22:58:35 Skybax Merp!
22:58:41 raptor oh good
22:58:47 Skybax Leaving lol
22:58:47 raptor peoples have arrived
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22:58:55 raptor wait!
22:58:57 raptor argh
22:59:03 raptor needed an osx beta tester...
22:59:15 bobdaduck lol
22:59:34 raptor hi bobdaduck
22:59:49 bobdaduck Sup
23:00:02 raptor I worked on your list:  http://beta.etherpad.org/p/bf_019_polish
23:00:19 raptor except that game-clock one has me baffled at the moment...
23:00:45 bobdaduck probably just missing a font?
23:01:00 bobdaduck what font is it?
23:01:05 raptor hmmm....  maybe, but the lines should be drawn - it's completely gone
23:02:05 bobdaduck yeah?
23:03:02 bobdaduck Were you able to replicate it?
23:03:18 raptor yes, in the windows build
23:03:21 raptor but not in LInux
23:03:30 raptor you have that font installed already
23:03:41 raptor it uses the same one as the scoreboard
23:05:17 bobdaduck yeah and the scoreboard shows up
23:05:46 raptor you should see the new nexus symbol
23:06:10 raptor tell me if it's even half-passable
23:06:16 bobdaduck latest?
23:06:20 raptor yup
23:06:29 bobdaduck k
23:10:18 bobdaduck hah, you used that idea
23:10:21 bobdaduck I like it, actually
23:10:26 raptor :)
23:10:41 raptor ok good..
23:10:53 kaen raptor, where is the code for rendering that thing?
23:10:58 raptor it feels good to be validated as a plaigaristic artist...
23:10:58 kaen the game clock
23:11:04 raptor uhh
23:11:11 kaen no, no. in art it's called "inspiration"
23:11:12 raptor that one took me a while to find...
23:11:21 raptor i was doing fruit loops in the code
23:11:31 kaen hehe
23:11:36 raptor TimeLeftRenderer.cpp
23:11:40 raptor render() method
23:11:44 raptor called from...  UIGame?
23:11:45 kaen yuck
23:11:47 raptor something like that
23:13:03 kaen also when require()ing a lua file with a syntax error, stacktracer seems to infinitely recurse
23:13:18 raptor yuk
23:13:41 kaen I had some success wrapping the entry point in pcall
23:14:49 kaen I even got it to dump some internal errors, but after fixing them, something about the syntax error just makes it hang
23:15:16 kaen and then I got flustered when I realized it's just a hodgepodge lua parser
23:15:23 kaen it's actually choking on my IIFE
23:15:54 kaen http://pastie.org/8228592
23:16:21 kaen it's failing to parse it in a very bad way, apparently
23:16:42 kaen (that link is the code it's choking on)
23:17:28 raptor oh wow, that whole think it running immediately
23:17:31 raptor *thing
23:17:34 kaen yeah
23:17:50 kaen it's so that you can include it without polluting the global namespace
23:18:01 kaen and also allows "private" variables
23:18:17 raptor very tricky...
23:18:21 kaen private in the sense that there's no externally accessible reference to them
23:18:26 kaen wish I could say I thought it up :P
23:18:36 kaen learned that one from the jquery source code
23:19:28 kaen incidentally, I'm writing a sort of library for writing plugins (or something)
23:19:34 raptor sneaky jQuery
23:19:55 kaen it's just a bundle of code shared throughout my plugins but it's generally useful
23:20:06 kaen I've just started factoring it out of the plugins ...
23:21:05 raptor leaky solved
23:21:12 BFLogBot Commit: 3d3661422a2f | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Fix long-standing memory leak with switching gametypes in the editor level parameters.  This one was found in at least as early as 015a!
23:21:37 kaen nice work!
23:21:46 raptor so far no real memory leaks (definitely lost) in our code that is not SDL or OpenAL related..
23:22:40 raptor bobdaduck: do you still like the goal icon?
23:23:10 bobdaduck not really
23:23:13 kaen I really dislike it
23:23:27 raptor excellent
23:23:32 raptor i like honest feedback
23:23:33 bobdaduck xD
23:23:44 bobdaduck its a symbol for the sake of having a symbol
23:23:46 kaen I think it would be good
23:23:50 kaen without the testitem
23:23:53 bobdaduck lol
23:24:08 kaen but flag in a circle is a flagspawn in the editor ...
23:24:08 raptor haha
23:24:29 raptor so maybe change flagspawn in the editor?
23:24:34 raptor to have...  a square!
23:24:38 kaen perfect!
23:24:46 raptor really?  (because I'll do it...)
23:24:54 kaen yeah sounds fine
23:25:02 kaen that's really the ideal goalzone icon right?
23:25:03 bobdaduck eh
23:25:11 raptor bobdaduck: speak your mind
23:25:18 raptor I think so..
23:25:19 bobdaduck the ideal goalzone icon is a checkered flag or maybe a trophy.
23:25:30 kaen checkered flag sounds good to me too
23:25:39 bobdaduck the current icon in no way indicates "goal" or "zone" or even "this is a special spot on the map"
23:25:45 kaen how about
23:25:51 bobdaduck and it looks really ugly on my goalzone swords
23:25:55 bobdaduck the star was better
23:26:09 kaen I've been a big star supporter from the beginning
23:26:23 bobdaduck the star didn't fit thematically
23:26:32 kaen checkered flags either ...
23:26:33 bobdaduck maybe there would be a different star design though
23:26:50 bobdaduck I mean the art scheme
23:26:57 bobdaduck our stars are white pixels
23:27:09 raptor goes to draw...
23:27:11 bobdaduck not things you put on your second-grader's essay
23:28:15 kaen ok, so is a ball/flag better or worse than the star?
23:28:24 kaen and is the checkered flag viable?
23:28:38 raptor something as ugly as this: http://www.twiddla.com/1266734
23:28:49 bobdaduck http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQrqyBIrsbDPrYilD9sHAnXog9VxaU5h_IdITIQQGbOXnhhHs5Arw
23:29:17 raptor i made it ugly
23:29:27 bobdaduck http://images.wikia.com/smbz/images/6/6f/Star.jpg
23:29:46 raptor bobdaduck: i'm starting to not take you so seriously...
23:30:02 bobdaduck OURS IS A KIDS GAME.
23:30:13 raptor that is almost as bad as the heart!
23:30:42 bobdaduck lol
23:30:56 kaen <kaen> ok, so is a ball/flag better or worse than the star?
23:30:56 kaen <kaen> and is the checkered flag viable?
23:31:19 raptor the star as it was seemed out of place, but only slightly, to me
23:31:37 kaen I think I agree after all
23:31:38 raptor the checkered idea always seemed...  not vector-y enough
23:31:58 bobdaduck make it vectory
23:31:59 kaen that's a good point, too
23:32:11 kaen to make it vectory would be pretty expensive too
23:32:16 raptor yes
23:33:04 kaen so, ball/flag?
23:33:12 raptor let me get a screenie...
23:33:13 kaen or revise the star?
23:33:22 bobdaduck I dunno
23:33:29 bobdaduck star doesn't seem any more vectory than a checkered flag
23:33:41 kaen stars a totally vectory
23:33:44 bobdaduck but seems quite a bit more ambiguous
23:33:45 raptor very vectory
23:33:49 raptor yes
23:33:53 raptor doesn't quite fit..
23:33:57 bobdaduck okay, but it looked like that mario star I posted
23:34:11 kaen true, it did
23:34:26 kaen could narrow the spines
23:34:32 bobdaduck And if we're going to go that direction we should at least give it eyes.
23:35:00 raptor http://imgur.com/8YeBmkw
23:35:03 bobdaduck http://pcaddick.com/mentoring%20pics/flag%20icon.png
23:35:14 bobdaduck that looks a lot better, actually
23:35:16 raptor ooo flames
23:35:21 kaen circled flag is pretty good
23:35:23 kaen I like it
23:35:27 raptor concentric circles?
23:35:47 kaen eh I like it with just the one
23:36:04 bobdaduck looks a lot better
23:36:15 bobdaduck who knows what it would do to my swords though
23:36:43 raptor http://imgur.com/lxg9cPW
23:37:05 bobdaduck just the one
23:37:14 kaen I still say one
23:37:44 bobdaduck yeah
23:38:08 raptor with full width:  http://imgur.com/89erunE
23:38:23 bobdaduck best
23:39:45 kaen time to break out the stereograms
23:40:16 raptor can't tell the difference?
23:40:44 kaen I could once I lined them up side-by-side
23:40:57 kaen I did immediately feel the balance shift though
23:41:01 kaen just couldn't spot it
23:41:09 raptor like the bigger or smaller?
23:41:17 raptor wider or narrower, i mean
23:41:25 raptor err, larger radius
23:41:26 kaen I like the most recent one best
23:41:30 raptor heh ok
23:50:10 bobdaduck nighit
23:50:12 bobdaduck Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
23:52:57 raptor ok kaen, this shows all the relevant bits:  http://imgur.com/7fYiNnK
23:53:04 raptor i changed the spawns to squares
23:53:08 raptor what do you think?
23:53:31 raptor not as friendly I think...
23:53:35 raptor the squares
23:53:52 kaen hmm... you're right
23:54:18 kaen looks like they're selected
23:54:30 raptor yeah..  :(
23:54:46 raptor well, I need to sleep, i'll think on it a bit more
23:54:50 kaen ok
23:54:54 raptor have a good night
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09:41:30	raptor	confirmed no game-clock in the windows build
09:42:00	raptor	also bitfighter runs wonderfully in WINE... :)
09:53:17	raptor	kaen: can I trigger a clean rebuild of the windows build in the buildbot?
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14:10:14	raptor	been looking on github for any references to bitfighter
14:10:17	raptor	found this: https://github.com/joaompinto/tux4win/blob/master/data/products/bitfigther.xml
14:37:00	Skybax	Neato
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15:32:11	raptor	Skybax: you still around?
15:32:26	BFBuildBot	build containing revision(s) [2de5773] on bitfighter-w32-cross is complete: Failure [failed shell_1] Build details are at http://buildbot.bitfighter.org/builders/bitfighter-w32-cross/builds/256 blamelist: buckyballreaction@gmail.com
15:34:10	raptor	kaen: did you ever figure out how to offset the builders? I think that one died because two were going at the same time
15:38:32	BFBuildBot	build containing revision(s) [2de5773] on bitfighter-w32-cross is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.bitfighter.org/builders/bitfighter-w32-cross/builds/257
15:39:33	raptor	ok that was a full rebuild..
15:39:42	raptor	now to see if we have a game timer
15:46:48	raptor	still no... hmm...
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22:04:53	kaen	evening, raptor
22:05:10	kaen	I looked at the memory leaks
22:05:13	raptor	hello!
22:05:25	raptor	ah yes, i got pulled away before I could post those..
22:05:53	raptor	what did you find?
22:06:29	kaen	I believed I fixed the uninitialized data in sendto (TNL) but the rest of leaks I found appeared to be in sdl
22:06:46	raptor	ah
22:06:54	raptor	well...
22:07:15	raptor	where can I post a .gz for you..
22:07:22	raptor	sam's site is down again..
22:08:58	raptor	nevermind, i'll just use ftp from work :)
22:09:49	raptor	kaen: ftp://ftp.novell.com/outgoing/memcheck.log
22:10:34	raptor	I did a quick runthrough of various things: hosting, editing, testing, levelgens, bots, random menus
22:10:41	raptor	and came up with quite a bit it seemed
22:11:17	raptor	also, if you got those TNL uninitialized value errors, then I'm impressed - they've stumped me at least 3 times so far..
22:13:11	kaen	valgriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiind
22:13:35	raptor	haha
22:14:32	kaen	you were much more thorough than I was!
22:19:03	raptor	yeah, honestly I don't know where these all came from
22:19:30	raptor	There's some big ones with TNL::StringTable
22:19:40	raptor	near the end, but most are menus??
22:19:53	kaen	interesting.
22:20:59	raptor	it's almost like none of the editor objects are being cleaned up?
22:21:11	raptor	I see a nexusitem.. wallitem
22:21:19	raptor	thos were all objects I played with
22:21:22	raptor	*those
22:22:23	raptor	oh whoa
22:22:39	raptor	maybe they all appeared when just switching gametypes from the editor menu...
22:29:17	kaen	oh, I forgot
22:29:27	kaen	BfObject::lua_removeFromGame
22:29:35	kaen	is wrapping deleteObject
22:29:44	raptor	yes
22:29:56	kaen	calling removeFromGame on a goalzone in a plugin triggers an assert
22:30:04	kaen	can not delete ghosting object
22:30:17	kaen	I switched it from deleteObject to removeFromGame(true)
22:30:23	kaen	plugin works fine now
22:30:28	kaen	does that sound right?
22:30:32	kaen	(haven't pushed yet)
22:30:43	raptor	what does the boolean do?
22:30:50	raptor	call deleteObject or not?
22:30:54	kaen	yes
22:31:26	raptor	is that assert even necessary?
22:31:45	kaen	umm you probably should not delete an object with active ghosts
22:32:00	kaen	the editor's delete key call removeFromGame(true)
22:32:10	raptor	huh
22:32:12	kaen	calls*
22:33:04	raptor	how come i'm not finding that in UIEditor..
22:34:09	raptor	oh
22:34:17	raptor	is it because of removeFromDatabase
22:34:28	kaen	ah, yes, that's rikght
22:34:29	kaen	right.
22:34:32	kaen	it's deep in there
22:34:55	raptor	ok, I think it's a good change
22:34:58	kaen	ok
22:35:05	kaen	I'm pushing that and the tnl sendto fix
22:35:14	kaen	just retested with valgrind
22:35:15	raptor	great!
22:35:16	raptor	ok
22:35:37	raptor	I narrowed down one memory leak: open editor on any level, switch gametypes, close
22:35:43		BFLogBot Commit: 8524621d370b \| Author: kaen \| Message: use BfObject::removeFromGame rather than deleteObject in lua_removeFromGame
22:35:45		BFLogBot Commit: f158d77d5ba7 \| Author: kaen \| Message: initialize internal buffer in TNL::PacketStream
22:36:56	raptor	no adverse effects with that TNL change? (I like to double/triple check with anything regarding TNL...)
22:37:12	kaen	I hosted and connected through the public ip
22:37:32	raptor	ok
22:37:44	raptor	it's just... TNL seems scary to change sometimes
22:38:11	kaen	well, it's from the dark ages
22:38:39	kaen	a modern network library would presumably have a test battery
22:41:13	raptor	will that change of yours slow down the stream much?
22:41:41	kaen	not at all
22:42:04	kaen	actually, now I'm doubting myself
22:42:24	kaen	it depends how often those get constructed. I assume once per connection
22:42:35	BFBuildBot	build containing revision(s) [f158d77] on bitfighter-w32-cross is complete: Failure [failed shell_1] Build details are at http://buildbot.bitfighter.org/builders/bitfighter-w32-cross/builds/259 blamelist: kaen <bkconrad@gmail.com>
22:42:42	kaen	noooooooooooooooooooooo
22:42:53	kaen	memset
22:43:00	kaen	I probably need a header.
22:43:23	raptor	heh
22:43:25	raptor	maybe...
22:43:28	raptor	uhh
22:43:30	raptor	hmmm
22:43:36	kaen	/home/bitfighter/slave/bitfighter-w32-cross/build/zap/config.cpp:170: error: expected unqualified-id before �;� token
22:43:44	raptor	what!
22:45:04	kaen	BFBuildBot, force bitfighter-w32-cross
22:45:04	BFBuildBot	try 'force build [--branch=BRANCH] [--revision=REVISION] [--props=PROP1=VAL1,PROP2=VAL2...] <WHICH> <REASON>'
22:45:27	raptor	well that looks simple...
22:45:44	raptor	need reason?
22:46:11	kaen	I tried in pm and it's not configured right anyway
22:46:22	kaen	I just used the web interface
22:46:38	kaen	http://buildbot.bitfighter.org:8010/builders/bitfighter-w32-cross/builds/260/steps/shell_1/logs/stdio
22:47:06	kaen	looks like it'll go
22:48:15	BFBuildBot	build containing revision(s) [] on bitfighter-w32-cross is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.bitfighter.org/builders/bitfighter-w32-cross/builds/260
22:49:36	kaen	man ...
22:49:54	kaen	PacketStreams get constructed for every sent packet
22:49:59	raptor	yuk
22:50:08	kaen	I wonder how big that buffer is
22:50:25	raptor	i think we should keep the uninitialized values... and maybe solve it at it's source
22:50:33	raptor	if it gets constructed so much
22:50:41	raptor	or ignore it for another release
22:52:07	kaen	sounds good to me
22:52:20	kaen	no reason to risk a performance regression for a valgrind message :P
22:53:15	raptor	haha
22:53:32	kaen	yeah that buffer is 1500 bytes
22:53:51	raptor	sadness
22:54:24	kaen	I didn't think of just not reading the buffer though
22:55:44		BFLogBot Commit: 69d89679d1dd \| Author: kaen \| Message: Backed out changeset f158d77d5ba7
22:55:49	raptor	ha!
22:56:03	raptor	the memory leak on gametype switching was in 018a
22:56:10	raptor	don't feel so bad now..
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22:58:35	Skybax	Merp!
22:58:41	raptor	oh good
22:58:47	Skybax	Leaving lol
22:58:47	raptor	peoples have arrived
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22:58:55	raptor	wait!
22:58:57	raptor	argh
22:59:03	raptor	needed an osx beta tester...
22:59:15	bobdaduck	lol
22:59:34	raptor	hi bobdaduck
22:59:49	bobdaduck	Sup
23:00:02	raptor	I worked on your list: http://beta.etherpad.org/p/bf_019_polish
23:00:19	raptor	except that game-clock one has me baffled at the moment...
23:00:45	bobdaduck	probably just missing a font?
23:01:00	bobdaduck	what font is it?
23:01:05	raptor	hmmm.... maybe, but the lines should be drawn - it's completely gone
23:02:05	bobdaduck	yeah?
23:03:02	bobdaduck	Were you able to replicate it?
23:03:18	raptor	yes, in the windows build
23:03:21	raptor	but not in LInux
23:03:30	raptor	you have that font installed already
23:03:41	raptor	it uses the same one as the scoreboard
23:05:17	bobdaduck	yeah and the scoreboard shows up
23:05:46	raptor	you should see the new nexus symbol
23:06:10	raptor	tell me if it's even half-passable
23:06:16	bobdaduck	latest?
23:06:20	raptor	yup
23:06:29	bobdaduck	k
23:10:18	bobdaduck	hah, you used that idea
23:10:21	bobdaduck	I like it, actually
23:10:26	raptor	:)
23:10:41	raptor	ok good..
23:10:53	kaen	raptor, where is the code for rendering that thing?
23:10:58	raptor	it feels good to be validated as a plaigaristic artist...
23:10:58	kaen	the game clock
23:11:04	raptor	uhh
23:11:11	kaen	no, no. in art it's called "inspiration"
23:11:12	raptor	that one took me a while to find...
23:11:21	raptor	i was doing fruit loops in the code
23:11:31	kaen	hehe
23:11:36	raptor	TimeLeftRenderer.cpp
23:11:40	raptor	render() method
23:11:44	raptor	called from... UIGame?
23:11:45	kaen	yuck
23:11:47	raptor	something like that
23:13:03	kaen	also when require()ing a lua file with a syntax error, stacktracer seems to infinitely recurse
23:13:18	raptor	yuk
23:13:41	kaen	I had some success wrapping the entry point in pcall
23:14:49	kaen	I even got it to dump some internal errors, but after fixing them, something about the syntax error just makes it hang
23:15:16	kaen	and then I got flustered when I realized it's just a hodgepodge lua parser
23:15:23	kaen	it's actually choking on my IIFE
23:15:54	kaen	http://pastie.org/8228592
23:16:21	kaen	it's failing to parse it in a very bad way, apparently
23:16:42	kaen	(that link is the code it's choking on)
23:17:28	raptor	oh wow, that whole think it running immediately
23:17:31	raptor	*thing
23:17:34	kaen	yeah
23:17:50	kaen	it's so that you can include it without polluting the global namespace
23:18:01	kaen	and also allows "private" variables
23:18:17	raptor	very tricky...
23:18:21	kaen	private in the sense that there's no externally accessible reference to them
23:18:26	kaen	wish I could say I thought it up :P
23:18:36	kaen	learned that one from the jquery source code
23:19:28	kaen	incidentally, I'm writing a sort of library for writing plugins (or something)
23:19:34	raptor	sneaky jQuery
23:19:55	kaen	it's just a bundle of code shared throughout my plugins but it's generally useful
23:20:06	kaen	I've just started factoring it out of the plugins ...
23:21:05	raptor	leaky solved
23:21:12		BFLogBot Commit: 3d3661422a2f \| Author: buckyballreaction \| Message: Fix long-standing memory leak with switching gametypes in the editor level parameters. This one was found in at least as early as 015a!
23:21:37	kaen	nice work!
23:21:46	raptor	so far no real memory leaks (definitely lost) in our code that is not SDL or OpenAL related..
23:22:40	raptor	bobdaduck: do you still like the goal icon?
23:23:10	bobdaduck	not really
23:23:13	kaen	I really dislike it
23:23:27	raptor	excellent
23:23:32	raptor	i like honest feedback
23:23:33	bobdaduck	xD
23:23:44	bobdaduck	its a symbol for the sake of having a symbol
23:23:46	kaen	I think it would be good
23:23:50	kaen	without the testitem
23:23:53	bobdaduck	lol
23:24:08	kaen	but flag in a circle is a flagspawn in the editor ...
23:24:08	raptor	haha
23:24:29	raptor	so maybe change flagspawn in the editor?
23:24:34	raptor	to have... a square!
23:24:38	kaen	perfect!
23:24:46	raptor	really? (because I'll do it...)
23:24:54	kaen	yeah sounds fine
23:25:02	kaen	that's really the ideal goalzone icon right?
23:25:03	bobdaduck	eh
23:25:11	raptor	bobdaduck: speak your mind
23:25:18	raptor	I think so..
23:25:19	bobdaduck	the ideal goalzone icon is a checkered flag or maybe a trophy.
23:25:30	kaen	checkered flag sounds good to me too
23:25:39	bobdaduck	the current icon in no way indicates "goal" or "zone" or even "this is a special spot on the map"
23:25:45	kaen	how about
23:25:51	bobdaduck	and it looks really ugly on my goalzone swords
23:25:55	bobdaduck	the star was better
23:26:09	kaen	I've been a big star supporter from the beginning
23:26:23	bobdaduck	the star didn't fit thematically
23:26:32	kaen	checkered flags either ...
23:26:33	bobdaduck	maybe there would be a different star design though
23:26:50	bobdaduck	I mean the art scheme
23:26:57	bobdaduck	our stars are white pixels
23:27:09		raptor goes to draw...
23:27:11	bobdaduck	not things you put on your second-grader's essay
23:28:15	kaen	ok, so is a ball/flag better or worse than the star?
23:28:24	kaen	and is the checkered flag viable?
23:28:38	raptor	something as ugly as this: http://www.twiddla.com/1266734
23:28:49	bobdaduck	http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQrqyBIrsbDPrYilD9sHAnXog9VxaU5h_IdITIQQGbOXnhhHs5Arw
23:29:17	raptor	i made it ugly
23:29:27	bobdaduck	http://images.wikia.com/smbz/images/6/6f/Star.jpg
23:29:46	raptor	bobdaduck: i'm starting to not take you so seriously...
23:30:02	bobdaduck	OURS IS A KIDS GAME.
23:30:13	raptor	that is almost as bad as the heart!
23:30:42	bobdaduck	lol
23:30:56	kaen	<kaen> ok, so is a ball/flag better or worse than the star?
23:30:56	kaen	<kaen> and is the checkered flag viable?
23:31:19	raptor	the star as it was seemed out of place, but only slightly, to me
23:31:37	kaen	I think I agree after all
23:31:38	raptor	the checkered idea always seemed... not vector-y enough
23:31:58	bobdaduck	make it vectory
23:31:59	kaen	that's a good point, too
23:32:11	kaen	to make it vectory would be pretty expensive too
23:32:16	raptor	yes
23:33:04	kaen	so, ball/flag?
23:33:12	raptor	let me get a screenie...
23:33:13	kaen	or revise the star?
23:33:22	bobdaduck	I dunno
23:33:29	bobdaduck	star doesn't seem any more vectory than a checkered flag
23:33:41	kaen	stars a totally vectory
23:33:44	bobdaduck	but seems quite a bit more ambiguous
23:33:45	raptor	very vectory
23:33:49	raptor	yes
23:33:53	raptor	doesn't quite fit..
23:33:57	bobdaduck	okay, but it looked like that mario star I posted
23:34:11	kaen	true, it did
23:34:26	kaen	could narrow the spines
23:34:32	bobdaduck	And if we're going to go that direction we should at least give it eyes.
23:35:00	raptor	http://imgur.com/8YeBmkw
23:35:03	bobdaduck	http://pcaddick.com/mentoring%20pics/flag%20icon.png
23:35:14	bobdaduck	that looks a lot better, actually
23:35:16	raptor	ooo flames
23:35:21	kaen	circled flag is pretty good
23:35:23	kaen	I like it
23:35:27	raptor	concentric circles?
23:35:47	kaen	eh I like it with just the one
23:36:04	bobdaduck	looks a lot better
23:36:15	bobdaduck	who knows what it would do to my swords though
23:36:43	raptor	http://imgur.com/lxg9cPW
23:37:05	bobdaduck	just the one
23:37:14	kaen	I still say one
23:37:44	bobdaduck	yeah
23:38:08	raptor	with full width: http://imgur.com/89erunE
23:38:23	bobdaduck	best
23:39:45	kaen	time to break out the stereograms
23:40:16	raptor	can't tell the difference?
23:40:44	kaen	I could once I lined them up side-by-side
23:40:57	kaen	I did immediately feel the balance shift though
23:41:01	kaen	just couldn't spot it
23:41:09	raptor	like the bigger or smaller?
23:41:17	raptor	wider or narrower, i mean
23:41:25	raptor	err, larger radius
23:41:26	kaen	I like the most recent one best
23:41:30	raptor	heh ok
23:50:10	bobdaduck	nighit
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23:52:57	raptor	ok kaen, this shows all the relevant bits: http://imgur.com/7fYiNnK
23:53:04	raptor	i changed the spawns to squares
23:53:08	raptor	what do you think?
23:53:31	raptor	not as friendly I think...
23:53:35	raptor	the squares
23:53:52	kaen	hmm... you're right
23:54:18	kaen	looks like they're selected
23:54:30	raptor	yeah.. :(
23:54:46	raptor	well, I need to sleep, i'll think on it a bit more
23:54:50	kaen	ok
23:54:54	raptor	have a good night
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