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| 12:04:08 | raptor | good morning! |
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| 13:53:54 | fordcars | Hey Watusimoto, you have a minute? |
| 13:54:35 | fordcars | I have a .dll compiled here, but I think it only works for Windows 8, and not Windows 7. I have #define WINVER 0x0500 and #define _WIN32_WINNT 0x0500 |
| 13:54:55 | fordcars | Oh haha never mind |
| 13:54:59 | fordcars | I guess |
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| 14:30:41 | Watusimoto__ | hi fordcars |
| 14:30:48 | Watusimoto__ | I'm about to eat, but will be on laer |
| 14:30:49 | fordcars | Hi |
| 14:31:00 | fordcars | Oh it's fine |
| 14:31:07 | Watusimoto__ | did you fix your problem? |
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| 14:39:44 | fordcars | I don't know, but I think I am getting there. The guys that were trying to get it working were missing VC++ Packages |
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| 17:12:20 | raptor | hello |
| 18:04:09 | fordcars | Hi |
| 18:04:30 | raptor | we come in peace! (shoot to kill...) |
| 18:05:31 | Watusimoto_ | hi |
| 18:06:19 | raptor | hi |
| 18:06:28 | Watusimoto_ | man, $55 a month for phone and internet |
| 18:06:31 | Watusimoto_ | seems like a lot |
| 18:07:03 | Watusimoto_ | but that's really my only choice |
| 18:07:04 | raptor | compared to what? |
| 18:07:18 | Watusimoto_ | value for money |
| 18:07:27 | Watusimoto_ | there is no what, that's the problem |
| 18:07:34 | Watusimoto_ | well, there's comcast, but screw them |
| 18:07:36 | raptor | ahh |
| 18:07:46 | raptor | haha, that's my reaction to comcast/xfinity, too |
| 18:07:58 | Watusimoto_ | they're a worse deal anyway |
| 18:08:03 | Watusimoto_ | but... |
| 18:08:05 | Watusimoto_ | screw them |
| 18:08:28 | Watusimoto_ | so that leaves the phone company and dsl |
| 18:08:38 | raptor | $30 for 6 months! ... (then $90 and you HAVE to upgrade to premium!) |
| 18:09:01 | Watusimoto_ | I could get it to $40, but with only 1.2mbps |
| 18:09:19 | raptor | that means no online movies |
| 18:09:26 | Watusimoto_ | and my kids would murder me in my sleep after trying minecraft at that speed |
| 18:09:40 | raptor | ha! |
| 18:09:47 | Watusimoto_ | that wasn't a joke |
| 18:10:06 | raptor | maybe it'll force them to learn about network optimization |
| 18:10:14 | Watusimoto_ | seriously |
| 18:10:21 | Watusimoto_ | so $55 it is |
| 18:10:35 | Watusimoto_ | then we also have to pay for long distance |
| 18:10:46 | raptor | wait what!? |
| 18:10:55 | Watusimoto_ | that includes access to the 5c plan |
| 18:11:01 | Watusimoto_ | 5c per minute |
| 18:11:06 | raptor | i haven't had to do that on our land line for at least 5 years |
| 18:11:26 | Watusimoto_ | I could pay $69 with unlimited ld |
| 18:11:47 | Watusimoto_ | 69 = 55 + 300 mins @ 5c per min |
| 18:11:53 | Watusimoto_ | 300 mins is a long time |
| 18:12:14 | Watusimoto_ | maybe I could shop around and get a better ld deal |
| 18:12:25 | Watusimoto_ | it's been so long that I forget how all this works |
| 18:13:03 | Watusimoto_ | no, the $55 comes with access to ld... I doubt I could save much with a different ld carrier |
| 18:13:29 | Watusimoto_ | I figure with comcast I could probably keep the intro rate by threatening to quit |
| 18:13:44 | Watusimoto_ | but I don't think I want to deal with them at all |
| 18:14:07 | raptor | no, I'm never dealing with those parasites again |
| 18:14:20 | Watusimoto_ | maybe I could get a better rate from the phone company if I asked... that used to work when they were still qwest |
| 18:14:57 | raptor | actually, i've had good success with negotiating yearly 'deals' with phone providers |
| 18:15:10 | Watusimoto_ | exactly |
| 18:16:21 | Watusimoto_ | i figure they figure it's easier to keep me as a customer than it is to get me as a new customer |
| 18:16:38 | Watusimoto_ | so they should be willing to give me the intro rate, or better |
| 18:16:43 | Watusimoto_ | and they usually are |
| 18:17:14 | Watusimoto_ | but qwest is now centurylink, and they don't have teaser rates on their website, so I don't know if they play the same game |
| 18:18:42 | raptor | is there just lack of competition in that place (I assume some city in Oregon)? |
| 18:19:54 | raptor | maybe it's low population |
| 18:21:12 | Watusimoto_ | portland |
| 18:21:17 | Watusimoto_ | inner core |
| 18:21:19 | raptor | ha |
| 18:21:27 | Watusimoto_ | it doesn't get much more connectable than that |
| 18:21:52 | raptor | does your $55 include taxes? |
| 18:21:53 | Watusimoto_ | we've got the demographics and geography |
| 18:21:58 | Watusimoto_ | probably not |
| 18:23:06 | raptor | we paid $55 (pre-taxes) for 15Mbps up/down fiber plus 'land' line, which was really VOIP with unlimited calling anywhere in the US |
| 18:23:30 | Watusimoto_ | from whom? |
| 18:23:40 | Watusimoto_ | I could do something like that with comcast |
| 18:23:44 | Watusimoto_ | but... screw comcast |
| 18:23:58 | raptor | it was called 'iProvo' then 'broadweave' then became 'veracity' |
| 18:24:12 | raptor | but now it's google fiber! |
| 18:24:34 | Watusimoto_ | you live in a blessed land |
| 18:25:08 | raptor | which is $0 for 5/1 down/up or ~ $80 for 1000/1000 down/up |
| 18:25:29 | raptor | no phone |
| 18:25:52 | Watusimoto_ | but you can add your own voip phone, no? |
| 18:26:16 | raptor | yes, and we did that with the old veracity service (which still does phone and business connections) |
| 18:26:29 | raptor | so we actually pay about $25 a month just for the phone |
| 18:26:35 | raptor | which is like $15 taxes |
| 18:27:13 | Watusimoto_ | hmmmm... centurylink wants $100 for an "advanced modem" |
| 18:27:38 | Watusimoto_ | I suppose that's something I'll need... I have an old adsl modem that worked with qwest, but it is not "advanced" |
| 18:28:23 | Watusimoto_ | is it worth $5 per month tu bump upload speed from 5 to 20? |
| 18:28:29 | Watusimoto_ | probably not |
| 18:28:49 | raptor | not upload speed unless you need to do heavy transfers to work |
| 18:29:08 | Watusimoto_ | they are offering 40 download... which is pretty good |
| 18:29:43 | fordcars | Hey Watusimoto_ , your back in the US? |
| 18:30:25 | Watusimoto_ | not yet |
| 18:30:29 | Watusimoto_ | 2 more weeks |
| 18:30:33 | fordcars | Oh okokoko |
| 18:31:24 | Watusimoto_ | the advanced modem comes with a wifi router built in... I want to use my curren tomato router, but don't want 2 routers |
| 18:31:40 | raptor | the only gripe I've had with my 1 Mbps upload speed is uploading archives to bitfighter.org |
| 18:31:41 | fordcars | You can use it as a Wi-fi extension |
| 18:32:30 | fordcars | Wow 1mbps, that's like 125mb/second? |
| 18:32:37 | raptor | 120K/s |
| 18:32:40 | raptor | or so |
| 18:32:41 | raptor | yes |
| 18:32:46 | fordcars | ^^ yeah sorry |
| 18:33:20 | fordcars | We get Tv cable, phone, internet and 1 cellphone on the same plan here, so it's less expensive |
| 18:33:40 | fordcars | Ok, food time! |
| 18:35:12 | Watusimoto_ | looks like I can purchase my own modem separately... maybe I can find one that can run tomato or other alt firmware |
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| 19:17:34 | Watusimoto_ | raptor -- need some workflow advice |
| 19:17:42 | raptor | to the trees! |
| 19:17:53 | Watusimoto_ | I want to work on the wiki styles, but my user account (wat) doesn't have permissions |
| 19:18:06 | Watusimoto_ | what should I do? |
| 19:18:25 | raptor | go to /var/www/html/wiki |
| 19:18:47 | Watusimoto_ | yes |
| 19:19:07 | raptor | chown -R wat:wat * |
| 19:19:09 | raptor | tada! |
| 19:19:28 | raptor | or you could just preface everything with 'sudo' |
| 19:19:57 | raptor | I plan on changing all the permissions back to apache:apache when were done |
| 19:20:08 | raptor | honestly, we don't have much of a deployment workflow |
| 19:20:43 | raptor | so I'm fine with hacky, reversible ways to edit stuff |
| 19:20:50 | raptor | or! |
| 19:21:22 | raptor | you do everything locally, then push to a temp directory, then use root to copy from the temp directory over the production files |
| 19:23:00 | Watusimoto_ | chown works well |
| 19:23:03 | Watusimoto_ | for me |
| 19:23:41 | Watusimoto_ | I can't work locally because I can't run the wiki locally so I can't see the results of my work |
| 19:24:08 | Watusimoto_ | though that's my usual preference |
| 19:33:32 | Watusimoto_ | are our wiki logins linked to phpbb yet? |
| 19:33:46 | raptor | i believe so - I think sam686 made the integration |
| 19:33:48 | raptor | let me test |
| 19:34:04 | raptor | yep |
| 19:34:07 | raptor | integrated |
| 19:34:16 | Watusimoto_ | ok... maybe I need to reset my pw! |
| 19:34:26 | raptor | want me to set it? |
| 19:34:38 | raptor | if you're logged in, change to root and set it |
| 19:34:39 | Watusimoto_ | let me try first |
| 19:34:53 | Watusimoto_ | how do I do that? |
| 19:35:28 | Watusimoto_ | yes |
| 19:36:44 | raptor | ok, if it's the phpbb password, then I may be able to change it in the admin interface |
| 19:37:24 | Watusimoto_ | actually, I tested in-game, and I know the pw |
| 19:37:36 | Watusimoto_ | so... why can't I log into the wiki? |
| 19:37:49 | raptor | hmm... not sure |
| 19:38:03 | Watusimoto_ | There is no user by the name "watusimoto". |
| 19:38:11 | Watusimoto_ | so my account is not present somehow |
| 19:38:23 | Watusimoto_ | wait |
| 19:38:24 | Watusimoto_ | wait |
| 19:38:25 | Watusimoto_ | wait |
| 19:38:26 | Watusimoto_ | wait |
| 19:38:50 | raptor | yeah, sam686 installed the Auth_phpBB mediawiki plugin |
| 19:38:54 | Watusimoto_ | I'm logged in |
| 19:38:58 | raptor | hooray! |
| 19:39:01 | Watusimoto_ | I had to windows open |
| 19:39:07 | Watusimoto_ | one to bf wiki, the other to mediawiki |
| 19:39:13 | Watusimoto_ | they look identical |
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| 19:40:56 | Watusimoto | I was not able to log into mediawiki, for obvious reasons |
| 19:41:05 | raptor | ah, haha |
| 19:41:11 | raptor | ok, glad you're in |
| 19:41:17 | raptor | and now mediawiki has your passwd! |
| 19:41:27 | raptor | sorry, dinner time! |
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| 20:00:05 | Watusimoto | enjoy dinner |
| 20:00:21 | Watusimoto | merging these styles is going to be tricky |
| 20:03:27 | raptor | actually |
| 20:03:31 | raptor | (back from dinner) |
| 20:04:05 | raptor | I think sam686 did style merges already and put some into /root/ somewhere |
| 20:07:43 | Watusimoto | what?? |
| 20:09:38 | Watusimoto | I don't see it anywhere |
| 20:09:54 | Watusimoto | unless... /root/temp |
| 20:10:03 | raptor | ha! found it: /root/temp/sam-wiki |
| 20:10:09 | raptor | :) |
| 20:10:11 | Watusimoto | as did I |
| 20:10:59 | Watusimoto | well, I am not sure what this is all about |
| 20:11:34 | Watusimoto | I'll poke around some with it tomorrow and see if I can get it to do something |
| 20:11:36 | raptor | to the IRC logs! |
| 20:11:44 | Watusimoto | the logs! |
| 20:11:45 | raptor | I think he made a style that you just drop in |
| 20:13:17 | raptor | it starts somewhere around here, I think: http://bitfighter.org/irclogs/index.php?date=2014-07-03#l391 |
| 20:13:24 | Watusimoto | reading that now |
| 20:14:09 | Watusimoto | looks like skins from his copy |
| 20:14:57 | Watusimoto | so I could use those as a starting point |
| 20:15:02 | Watusimoto | for sure |
| 20:15:19 | Watusimoto | but they would not be "merged" in any meaningful sense |
| 20:15:43 | raptor | yes, true |
| 20:15:59 | Watusimoto | but I'm personally less concerned about that at the moment |
| 20:16:11 | Watusimoto | as I'm unsure how well it could work to merge them |
| 20:16:33 | Watusimoto | the styles from both systems are spread out over several files |
| 20:16:45 | Watusimoto | with different rules of precidence |
| 20:17:15 | Watusimoto | boy I spelled that one waaay wrong |
| 20:17:27 | Watusimoto | well, bedtime for me. |
| 20:17:34 | Watusimoto | I'll look at this more tomorrow |
| 20:18:13 | Watusimoto | so good night! |
| 20:18:22 | raptor | night! |
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