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| 01:47:04 | karamazovapy | hey raptor - when you talk about "better robots", what do you have in mind? |
| 01:59:12 | raptor | smarter - like programming correct soccer gameplay |
| 01:59:24 | raptor | and better AI algorithms |
| 02:00:46 | raptor | "choice" improvements: like more weighted factors on whether to attack, defend, capture, return flag |
| 02:00:49 | raptor | all of which we can do |
| 02:01:08 | raptor | but just an idea |
| 02:01:26 | raptor | also event additions on more game events |
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| 02:59:37 | raptor | i just deleted two of cleverbot posts as they were not on topic or adding anything useful to the conversation |
| 02:59:50 | raptor | (and they were not in the off-topic forum) |
| 03:01:11 | raptor | !bug |
| 03:01:11 | BFLogBot | To enter a bug, please make sure it is reproducible and then go to http://code.google.com/p/bitfighter/issues/list | Also, see current running bug list: http://bitfighter.org/wiki/index.php/Running_Bug_List |
| 03:18:16 | karamazovapy | does the overall size of the bot script affect its performance and memory requirements? |
| 03:18:49 | raptor | not really |
| 03:19:05 | raptor | or at least, it's insignificant compared to the algorithms used |
| 03:19:56 | raptor | so 5 lines of nested for loops can perform a million times worse than 100 lines of various math functions |
| 03:20:25 | raptor | our biggest problem is with memory usage at the moment: |
| 03:20:35 | raptor | every bot loads up another lua interpreter |
| 03:20:48 | raptor | it needs to be all bots use only one or two |
| 03:21:00 | karamazovapy | do you think performance would improve if we had gametype-specific bots as opposed instead of having the gametype-specific code checked regularly during runtime? |
| 03:21:23 | raptor | nope |
| 03:21:37 | raptor | because the gametype check only needs to be performed at start-up |
| 03:21:48 | raptor | i mean when the bot is first run |
| 03:22:45 | karamazovapy | right - but look at doObjective() in s_bot |
| 03:22:51 | raptor | but yeah - right now adding 50 bots increases ram usage by 50-100 MB |
| 03:23:05 | raptor | because each uses it's own lua interpreter |
| 03:23:13 | raptor | looking... |
| 03:23:41 | karamazovapy | the initial check for gametype is done once on load, but the if/elseif's get run on every tick...or that's how I'm reading it |
| 03:23:48 | raptor | hehe |
| 03:23:54 | raptor | yeah, that could be optimized much further |
| 03:24:12 | raptor | actually wait |
| 03:24:13 | karamazovapy | it's nice having a bot you can drop in no matter what |
| 03:24:55 | raptor | if the initial check is done when loaded, then those if/else statements don't really add much performance overhead |
| 03:25:07 | raptor | even if it's in the onTick() |
| 03:25:45 | karamazovapy | I really don't know anything about memory use |
| 03:25:58 | karamazovapy | except that I understand the general problem with loading separate interpreters |
| 03:26:21 | raptor | put it this way: integer comparisons using '==' take one clock cycle |
| 03:26:46 | raptor | and your processor does billions each second |
| 03:28:09 | karamazovapy | I'm still confused about how onTick works with ongoing tasks |
| 03:28:27 | karamazovapy | I think I kind of get it, but I'm not entirely clear |
| 03:28:51 | raptor | basically every application has what's called the 'master loop' |
| 03:29:05 | raptor | that runs forever until told to quit |
| 03:29:11 | karamazovapy | yeah, I get that too |
| 03:29:16 | raptor | every iteration of the loop is called a tick |
| 03:29:19 | raptor | ok |
| 03:29:29 | karamazovapy | let me look at s_bot so I can be specific |
| 03:29:32 | raptor | ok |
| 03:32:09 | karamazovapy | is it correct that the bot never has a single "set" objective, and that it's constantly checking to see if something else takes priority? |
| 03:32:35 | raptor | yes |
| 03:32:44 | karamazovapy | that's what has confused my thinking in the past |
| 03:32:52 | raptor | basically on every tick it reanalyzes what to do |
| 03:32:55 | karamazovapy | right |
| 03:33:14 | karamazovapy | since that's not quite the way I operate as a human being, the bot logic of that totally threw me off |
| 03:34:00 | karamazovapy | I understand how priorities are modified in the logic, but it still throws me |
| 03:34:07 | raptor | yes, that took a little getting used for me too |
| 03:34:13 | karamazovapy | that it searches for all nearby items constantly |
| 03:35:19 | karamazovapy | and that continuing to orbit an item or continuing to fly toward an enemy flag is a decision that's made over and over again in a split second |
| 03:35:20 | raptor | that's the second thing I think will really improve bot performance: rip out the bot tick method from the game loop and put it in it's own thread |
| 03:35:53 | raptor | yep |
| 03:38:15 | raptor | it could be that we could come up with a 'cheaper' idle action |
| 03:38:35 | raptor | that doesn't involve constantly searching for items |
| 03:39:55 | karamazovapy | I think I need to reorganize my brain and give bots another shot |
| 03:40:10 | raptor | yes... think like silicon |
| 03:42:23 | karamazovapy | yeah, I think I've been too attached to the idea of persistence |
| 03:42:32 | karamazovapy | there isn't any |
| 03:45:12 | raptor | well, there can be a little, if you're smart about it |
| 03:45:50 | raptor | like doing the gametype check once at start-up |
| 04:27:13 | | BFLogBot - Commit cc65bf93118b | Author: buckyballreaction | Log: Update to clipper 4.6.6. Similar performance with lots o' bug fixes |
| 04:44:44 | raptor | sam686, i think we should move to poly2tri library |
| 04:45:01 | raptor | it has a more permissive license and is much more performant than Triangle |
| 04:45:27 | raptor | (at least according to the studies) |
| 04:48:36 | raptor | look at section 5 here: http://sites-final.uclouvain.be/mema/Poly2Tri/poly2tri.html |
| 05:00:27 | raptor | hmm... looks like poly2tri may still have a couple bugs |
| 05:23:15 | sam686 | i haven't really done hardly any bitfighter coding for about 2 days... |
| 05:23:22 | raptor | me neither |
| 05:24:05 | sam686 | but, at some point, i was trying to code my own game from scratch recently.. |
| 05:24:38 | raptor | really? |
| 05:24:41 | raptor | what type of game? |
| 05:25:26 | sam686 | i don't know, i will think of one when i am in progress, maybe a 3D first person shooter type game.. |
| 05:25:40 | raptor | are you just playing with frameworks right now? |
| 05:26:27 | sam686 | yes, haven't even got the graphics up yet, mostly using the same sdl / opengl as bitfighter |
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| 06:24:44 | zoomber_mbp | yoooooooooooooo |
| 06:25:01 | raptor | hi |
| 06:25:55 | zoomber_mbp | so i heard this new thing called bit fighter is released |
| 06:26:03 | zoomber_mbp | wait, no spy bugs anymore? |
| 06:26:11 | raptor | it's hidden |
| 06:26:27 | zoomber_mbp | as in..map,…code..server ini? |
| 06:26:30 | raptor | read release notes: http://bitfighter.org/downloads |
| 06:26:45 | zoomber_mbp | ah |
| 06:26:54 | raptor | searcg for bug |
| 06:26:57 | raptor | search |
| 06:27:55 | zoomber_mbp | would be nice to keep the (enables spy bug) tooltip or something of that nature for those using it, |
| 06:28:36 | raptor | oh yeah... that was removed? |
| 06:28:56 | zoomber_mbp | yeah, and an armor tooltip was added, which is good |
| 06:29:08 | zoomber_mbp | actually, i like the spy bug improvements, i'm probably going to use that module more now |
| 06:29:44 | raptor | yeah sensor was given lots of improvements |
| 06:30:00 | zoomber_mbp | wow, there's a lot of features |
| 06:30:13 | zoomber_mbp | i like them, but i'm going to foresee / foreshadow a lot of talk about them |
| 06:30:32 | zoomber_mbp | i can see future discussions, but maybe everyone will like the features like i do |
| 06:30:56 | raptor | there have been lots of bugs though - we have fixed many already |
| 06:31:02 | raptor | since changing code so much... |
| 06:48:33 | raptor | sorry for leaving in-game - i'm still researching something.. |
| 06:48:47 | zoomber_mbp | oh |
| 06:49:32 | zoomber_mbp | what I was saying, was the jailbroken iPhone uses a debian manager to connect to all sorts of repositories to install tweaks and themes |
| 06:50:08 | raptor | ah yes |
| 06:50:46 | zoomber_mbp | too bad the iPhone processor is way different than anything other |
| 06:50:56 | zoomber_mbp | its an A5 chip from apple |
| 06:51:11 | raptor | i don't know if it's that different |
| 06:51:17 | raptor | i think it's ARM based? |
| 06:52:02 | zoomber_mbp | well, for obvious reasons, it won't support mac apps, and vice versa for the computer |
| 06:52:21 | raptor | ah yes, it is ARM-based |
| 06:52:23 | zoomber_mbp | so it limits the things you can do on it. Also, apparently, it was very hard to jailbreak |
| 06:52:30 | zoomber_mbp | and yes, it is ARM-based |
| 06:52:36 | raptor | debian has an ARM port |
| 06:56:43 | zoomber_mbp | hmm |
| 06:56:47 | zoomber_mbp | ideas ideas ideas |
| 06:57:02 | zoomber_mbp | some I'm too embarrassed to share until i see if they work or not |
| 06:57:16 | raptor | well, now that bitfighter uses SDL, we are one step closer to mobile devices.. |
| 06:59:04 | zoomber_mbp | the best i can do on the other end, is run a windows .NET exe on the iphone |
| 06:59:17 | zoomber_mbp | with jail breaking, of course |
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| 15:59:16 | raptor | good day! |
| 16:00:29 | raptor | tomorrow we get to find out more problems with 016! |
| 16:01:32 | watusimoto | hi |
| 16:01:33 | watusimoto | yes |
| 16:01:41 | watusimoto | more items checked off our buglist |
| 16:02:05 | watusimoto | maybe tonight I won't fall asleep so quickly, and I'll get some stuff checked in |
| 16:02:42 | watusimoto | I tried to send out a message on our mailing list, but I don't think it worked |
| 16:03:05 | raptor | define 'not worked' |
| 16:03:09 | watusimoto | I'm thinking we don;t have an email sender configured on our machine. Do you know anything about that? |
| 16:03:14 | raptor | oh... |
| 16:03:19 | watusimoto | not worked as in never got anything |
| 16:03:21 | raptor | yeah, let me install an MTA :) |
| 16:03:31 | watusimoto | ok, do that and I'll try again |
| 16:03:39 | raptor | wait |
| 16:03:42 | raptor | sendmail is installed |
| 16:03:53 | watusimoto | are you subscribed to the mailing list? |
| 16:03:57 | raptor | nope |
| 16:04:00 | raptor | but i will... |
| 16:04:15 | watusimoto | well, I broadcasted the message and got nothing, and go nothing when I sent a test msg just to myself |
| 16:05:23 | watusimoto | any idea if PHP is hooked up to the MTA (i don't understand how this all works) |
| 16:05:38 | raptor | i'm looking at th email logs |
| 16:05:42 | watusimoto | ok |
| 16:05:49 | raptor | looks like everything attempted to send |
| 16:06:30 | watusimoto | attempted... as in made it to sendmail? |
| 16:06:33 | raptor | yes |
| 16:06:39 | watusimoto | no word on failures? |
| 16:06:59 | raptor | almost all (if not all) say, 'connection timed out' or 'connection refused' |
| 16:07:03 | watusimoto | the list manager reported no erros |
| 16:07:18 | watusimoto | so it must have connected with sendmail, and figured everything was fine |
| 16:07:27 | watusimoto | but sendmail must be blocked or misconfigured |
| 16:07:28 | watusimoto | ?? |
| 16:08:33 | raptor | lots of warnings about unqualified host name 'foofighter' |
| 16:09:01 | watusimoto | foofighter is our machine name, right? |
| 16:09:15 | raptor | yes |
| 16:09:24 | raptor | hmm.. i think our hosts name isn't set up properly |
| 16:12:09 | watusimoto | not surprised |
| 16:12:19 | raptor | ok, i changed everything to bitfighter... |
| 16:12:28 | watusimoto | should I try a test message? |
| 16:12:32 | raptor | yes please |
| 16:12:33 | raptor | wait |
| 16:12:37 | raptor | let me tail the logs... |
| 16:12:45 | watusimoto | ok -- give me the word |
| 16:13:06 | raptor | ok go |
| 16:13:26 | watusimoto | ok |
| 16:13:40 | raptor | nothing in the logs yet... |
| 16:13:46 | watusimoto | not done it yet |
| 16:13:50 | watusimoto | I'll let you know |
| 16:13:55 | raptor | oh :) |
| 16:14:29 | watusimoto | sent |
| 16:14:53 | raptor | "Recipient address rejected: Temporary deferral, try again soon" |
| 16:14:58 | watusimoto | ?? |
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| 16:15:13 | watusimoto | are you on the list? |
| 16:15:15 | raptor | yes |
| 16:15:18 | raptor | send to me... |
| 16:15:19 | watusimoto | what addr? |
| 16:15:26 | watusimoto | d...? |
| 16:15:40 | watusimoto | db....? |
| 16:15:44 | raptor | i PM'd you |
| 16:16:24 | watusimoto | sent |
| 16:16:34 | raptor | got it |
| 16:16:38 | watusimoto | really |
| 16:16:51 | watusimoto | can you forward to me at my personal email? |
| 16:16:57 | watusimoto | ch..? |
| 16:16:57 | raptor | yes |
| 16:17:57 | raptor | my guess is that our server isn't on some master 'approved' lists |
| 16:18:01 | raptor | for sending mail |
| 16:18:24 | watusimoto | ah, spam prevention |
| 16:18:58 | raptor | yeah, mail is so messed up |
| 16:19:02 | watusimoto | indeed |
| 16:19:08 | raptor | most is whitelisted now I think |
| 16:19:31 | raptor | i'm trying to remember what the name of that list was we'd need to get on... |
| 16:19:56 | watusimoto | this was not a problem on the old server... maybe 3 would bounce |
| 16:20:10 | watusimoto | though I suppose I don't know if many ended up in a blackhole |
| 16:23:13 | raptor | would there be a way through your VPS management interface to enable it as a mail server? (i.e. get on the appropriate authentication lists or use a provided relay?) |
| 16:23:27 | watusimoto | I can look... |
| 16:29:05 | watusimoto | no options |
| 16:29:22 | watusimoto | 48% memory use, 18% disk usage, 1% bandwidth |
| 16:29:35 | raptor | great! |
| 16:30:38 | raptor | good to know the logbot is making good use of the memory |
| 16:30:47 | watusimoto | indeed |
| 16:33:55 | raptor | well also we ran a leaky server for a week... |
| 16:37:24 | raptor | so... |
| 16:37:37 | raptor | when i to a name lookup on that IP, it doesn't return bitfighter.org |
| 16:53:18 | watusimoto | on which ip? |
| 16:53:28 | raptor | 199.192.229.168 |
| 16:53:41 | watusimoto | what does it return? and how did you do the lookup? |
| 16:54:01 | watusimoto | that's probably why the mail is failing |
| 16:54:41 | raptor | this is an easy utility: http://www.dnswatch.info/ |
| 16:54:54 | raptor | reverse looking up the IP returns no entry |
| 17:04:50 | watusimoto | not sure what to do - this will probably break our mailing list; hoewver, I've been over the registrar's site, and can't see any missing info in the dns listing |
| 17:05:52 | raptor | yeah, something tells me there's a racket going on |
| 17:05:57 | watusimoto | I should note I've only added a typeA record |
| 17:05:59 | raptor | like you have to purchase reverse DNS |
| 17:06:02 | watusimoto | there are other types as well |
| 17:06:12 | watusimoto | they're not selling me on a reverse dns |
| 17:06:23 | raptor | good |
| 17:08:47 | watusimoto | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_DNS_record_types |
| 17:09:02 | watusimoto | so, we have only type A setup |
| 17:10:30 | raptor | a PTR is what might be needed |
| 17:10:39 | watusimoto | other options are URL redirect, TXT, AAAA, NS |
| 17:10:48 | raptor | ah, ns |
| 17:11:42 | raptor | it might be NS, actually |
| 17:12:12 | raptor | and MX would be helpful in the mail area |
| 17:12:36 | watusimoto | From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_DNS_lookup |
| 17:12:48 | watusimoto | For example, an address (A) record for mail.example.com points to the IP address 192.0.2.5. In pointer records of the reverse database, this IP address is stored as the domain name5.2.0.192.in-addr.arpa pointing back to its designated host name mail.example.com. This allows it to pass the Forward Confirmed reverse DNS process. |
| 17:12:55 | watusimoto | mx is for incoming mail, I think |
| 17:13:11 | watusimoto | and that is handled via a forwarder, at least for devs@ and watusimoto@ |
| 17:13:16 | raptor | ah ok |
| 17:13:25 | watusimoto | so we _should_ be covered |
| 17:13:51 | raptor | well, the problem is remote relays reverse looking up our IP |
| 17:14:04 | raptor | and saying "nope no DNS for you, denied!" |
| 17:14:30 | raptor | (I think) |
| 17:14:54 | raptor | then when get past that first check, they say 'bitfighter.org? that's not on my whitelist, denied!' |
| 17:16:34 | watusimoto | I think you got it right |
| 17:16:49 | watusimoto | except I'm not sure whitelists are widely deployed |
| 17:18:14 | watusimoto | ok, well I'm heading home |
| 17:18:18 | watusimoto | later |
| 17:18:50 | raptor | bye |
| 17:20:00 | watusimoto | to consider: would this be worth 10 pounds as a Bitfighter promo? |
| 17:20:01 | watusimoto | http://www.colossusonline.org/ |
| 17:20:05 | watusimoto | tell me later |
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| 17:44:51 | Watusimoto | hi |
| 17:44:55 | raptor | hi |
| 17:45:05 | raptor | so we get 100 pixels for 10L? |
| 17:45:40 | Watusimoto | that's about... $15 or so |
| 17:45:59 | raptor | I've never heard of the colossus project |
| 17:46:11 | Watusimoto | the main question is will any potential players actually look at the site and be cuious enough to click on a little bitfighter ship |
| 17:46:28 | Watusimoto | I'd probably pay $1 for a new player |
| 17:47:23 | raptor | but the noise ratio is so high |
| 17:47:26 | Watusimoto | maybe one of the people who want to do a publicity campaing would do it |
| 17:47:27 | Watusimoto | yes |
| 17:48:42 | Watusimoto | actually, we would have been better with that million dollar gif that someone made a while back. I think that targeted exactly the right audience |
| 17:53:21 | raptor | i don't htink i know what that is |
| 17:57:54 | Watusimoto | sorry... milliondollarhomepage.com |
| 17:58:02 | Watusimoto | it was a phenom |
| 17:58:06 | Watusimoto | made one guy rich |
| 17:58:11 | Watusimoto | for a clever idea |
| 18:01:57 | karamazovapy | http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1487/20120209124151.jpg |
| 18:02:05 | karamazovapy | I remember the million dollar homepage |
| 18:03:25 | raptor | looks like a lazy day |
| 18:04:47 | Watusimoto | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Million_Dollar_Homepage |
| 18:05:02 | Watusimoto | one link error to go... |
| 18:05:39 | raptor | hooray! |
| 18:05:40 | karamazovapy | for what it's worth, I used the mass e-mail function on the forums with marginal success |
| 18:13:50 | raptor | it *may* work better now... now that I fixed the hostname on the machine, but probably not |
| 18:14:01 | Watusimoto | I could try again... |
| 18:14:08 | Watusimoto | though if I'm not even getting the mail... |
| 18:14:52 | Watusimoto | karamazovapy: you should put the bbb on the front page... I think you have perms |
| 18:15:01 | Watusimoto | login link is at the bottom of the page |
| 18:15:25 | raptor | yes karamazovapy has |
| 18:16:27 | Watusimoto | built!! |
| 18:16:32 | raptor | no! |
| 18:17:09 | Watusimoto | this was just the refactor to get to the case... blah. 4 days |
| 18:17:46 | raptor | sam686 and I haven't been coding much |
| 18:17:53 | raptor | so merge should be relatively painless |
| 18:18:11 | Watusimoto | well, it needs some testing |
| 18:18:39 | raptor | don't worry, i will scrutinize all your commits like I always do :) |
| 18:22:33 | Watusimoto | GOT MY TEST MESSAGE!!! |
| 18:22:48 | Watusimoto | from that test send earlier today |
| 18:23:04 | raptor | oh good, so maybe the host change helped a bit |
| 18:26:22 | karamazovapy | what mailing list are you using? |
| 18:28:01 | Watusimoto | php list |
| 18:28:05 | Watusimoto | ok, off to german class |
| 18:28:07 | Watusimoto | later |
| 18:29:08 | raptor | bye |
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| 18:29:43 | Little_Apple | hi |
| 18:30:34 | karamazovapy | yes. |
| 18:30:50 | Little_Apple | high |
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| 18:43:00 | Little_Apple | who wants cake? |
| 18:43:08 | raptor | yum |
| 18:43:18 | Little_Apple | do you have tf2? |
| 18:43:43 | raptor | stop swearing at me |
| 18:43:52 | Little_Apple | TEAM FORTRESS 2 |
| 18:43:53 | karamazovapy | FUCK FUCK FUCK |
| 18:43:57 | raptor | ohhh |
| 18:44:00 | Little_Apple | xD |
| 18:44:02 | karamazovapy | ohhh |
| 18:44:02 | raptor | never played it |
| 18:44:09 | Little_Apple | awww |
| 18:44:17 | Little_Apple | i hasn't either |
| 18:44:22 | Little_Apple | trying to get it to work |
| 18:45:05 | karamazovapy | I don't have room in my brain for another huge online game |
| 18:46:36 | Little_Apple | :D |
| 18:46:43 | Little_Apple | another? |
| 18:47:11 | Little_Apple | AnOtHeR? |
| 18:48:38 | Little_Apple | MY LITTLE POOONYYYYYYYYYYY |
| 18:48:44 | Little_Apple | MY LITTLE PONEEEE |
| 18:48:51 | Little_Apple | AAHHHA AHH AHHA AAAAAAAHHHHH |
| 18:48:59 | Little_Apple | MY LITTLE PONYYY |
| 18:49:11 | Little_Apple | I USED OT WONDER WUT FRENSHIP COOD BEEE |
| 18:50:30 | Little_Apple | WHY WONT TF2 WORK?? |
| 18:51:37 | sam686 | your computer too old? |
| 19:18:05 | Little_Apple | i got it working :3 |
| 19:18:16 | Little_Apple | this computer is brand new |
| 19:18:21 | Little_Apple | newwwww |
| 19:20:45 | raptor | i just noticed something |
| 19:20:57 | raptor | you can't kill people against forcefields with phaser anymore |
| 19:25:34 | sam686 | that might have been due to fixing a problem in GeomUtils "circleIntersectsSegment" on rev 4c592fd6c291 |
| 19:26:54 | raptor | that's ok, it was kind of a but anyways... |
| 19:26:57 | raptor | bug |
| 19:27:53 | sam686 | a bug we didn't care much about, but was fixed due to an awful problem with phaser hitting core too early in core's circel collision |
| 19:29:31 | raptor | ah, that was it |
| 19:29:57 | LoneWolfy | Little_Apple: do you have windows or mac, cux it works fine on my Windows computer |
| 19:30:36 | LoneWolfy | Cuz* |
| 19:50:17 | karamazovapy | yeah, I noticed that too |
| 19:50:23 | karamazovapy | I think bursts still work |
| 19:50:43 | raptor | yes |
| 19:51:01 | karamazovapy | I could swear I got the occasional phaser bit to contact, too, but I don't have any proof of that |
| 19:52:19 | raptor | i haven't yet.. |
| 19:57:54 | karamazovapy | links to individual posts don't work for me anymore |
| 19:58:15 | karamazovapy | at least with .org |
| 19:58:35 | raptor | really? |
| 19:58:37 | raptor | send me a link |
| 19:59:43 | raptor | i may need to restart the web server... |
| 19:59:50 | raptor | since i changed the hostname |
| 20:00:30 | karamazovapy | this is one that won't load for me in .org, but will in .net |
| 20:00:31 | karamazovapy | http://bitfighter.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1225&p=11489#p11489 |
| 20:00:49 | raptor | haha, i'm not authorized... |
| 20:01:07 | raptor | that loads find for me |
| 20:01:23 | karamazovapy | maybe it's a firefox thing |
| 20:01:25 | raptor | i just restarted the web server.. |
| 20:02:02 | raptor | i'm beginning to think post count should only work if not in off-topic |
| 20:02:20 | karamazovapy | we can set that |
| 20:02:33 | raptor | really? |
| 20:02:35 | karamazovapy | I can't understand why this thread is so difficult for people: http://www.bitfighter.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1272 |
| 20:03:04 | raptor | yeah... i think it should be moved to off-topic... |
| 20:03:12 | raptor | it started ok |
| 20:03:20 | raptor | maybe |
| 20:03:22 | karamazovapy | it's drifting, but it's still relevant |
| 20:05:58 | raptor | you wouldn't mind taking a hit in post count to remove counting in off-topic? |
| 20:06:10 | karamazovapy | psh - I don't care about my post count |
| 20:06:11 | raptor | because i think it's making people look more senior than they are |
| 20:07:32 | karamazovapy | ah - changing the setting will only affect new posts |
| 20:07:53 | raptor | can we re-base the count? (which setting?) |
| 20:08:37 | karamazovapy | I don't *think* we can... |
| 20:12:34 | raptor | did you already set the setting? |
| 20:12:46 | karamazovapy | yes, for new posts to off-topic |
| 20:12:56 | raptor | cool |
| 20:14:14 | raptor | i'm going to click 'Resynchronise post counts' |
| 20:14:17 | raptor | and see what happens... |
| 20:14:20 | karamazovapy | oooh |
| 20:14:22 | karamazovapy | that could work |
| 20:14:27 | karamazovapy | where is that, out of curiousity? |
| 20:14:40 | raptor | under general tab |
| 20:14:50 | raptor | there's a bunch of buttons that say 'run now' |
| 20:14:57 | raptor | one is for resync post counts |
| 20:15:00 | karamazovapy | hah! obvious |
| 20:15:25 | karamazovapy | might've made more sense under POSTING, but I'm open-minded |
| 20:16:02 | karamazovapy | cleverbot is still at 577 posts |
| 20:16:11 | raptor | hmmm |
| 20:17:30 | karamazovapy | the permission specifically said it would only affect future posts |
| 20:18:22 | raptor | was this setting on the old forums? |
| 20:18:42 | karamazovapy | there was a simliar option, but I don't think it was retroactive...I'm not sure |
| 20:19:26 | raptor | i have an idea... |
| 20:19:44 | karamazovapy | should we up the flood interval? |
| 20:19:52 | raptor | what does that do? |
| 20:20:01 | karamazovapy | makes it so you can't post too often |
| 20:20:05 | karamazovapy | it's at 15 seconds right now |
| 20:20:21 | raptor | sure, make it 30 :) |
| 20:20:40 | karamazovapy | done |
| 20:21:28 | raptor | what is off-topic forum id? 9? |
| 20:21:35 | karamazovapy | yeah |
| 20:22:07 | karamazovapy | ooooh...now there's an idea... |
| 20:22:20 | raptor | i found out how to make it retroactive... |
| 20:22:30 | karamazovapy | did you do what I was just thinking? |
| 20:23:21 | raptor | i'm editing the database |
| 20:23:33 | karamazovapy | hah! that's way more complicated than what I was going to try. |
| 20:23:40 | karamazovapy | how exactly are you editing the database? |
| 20:23:44 | raptor | done |
| 20:23:48 | raptor | let's see if i broke it |
| 20:23:58 | raptor | I'm querying mysql directly on the server |
| 20:24:16 | karamazovapy | do you still need to resynchronize posts? |
| 20:24:23 | karamazovapy | *post count |
| 20:24:24 | raptor | oh yeah... |
| 20:24:51 | karamazovapy | success! |
| 20:25:12 | karamazovapy | CB is down to 316 |
| 20:25:27 | karamazovapy | damn, I wish I had written these numbers down so I could compare! |
| 20:25:48 | karamazovapy | BlackBird is down to 214 |
| 20:26:28 | karamazovapy | Little_Apple is ruling that roost with 336 |
| 20:27:18 | karamazovapy | poor LoneWolfy is down to 72 |
| 20:27:24 | karamazovapy | Opti only has 53!!! |
| 20:27:47 | karamazovapy | FoOtloOse is 27 |
| 20:29:00 | karamazovapy | are you going to post something about it, or just wait for the shitstorm? |
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| 20:55:25 | | Watusimoto has joined |
| 21:06:45 | Watusimoto | hi |
| 21:14:34 | sam686 | synchronize post count seem to have made it worse... it says FoOtloOse have 27 posts, but there is really 49 FoOtloOse posts displayed in this results: http://bitfighter.org/forums/search.php?author_id=828&sr=posts |
| 21:16:35 | Watusimoto | what is synchronzie post count? |
| 21:17:42 | raptor | hi |
| 21:17:49 | Watusimoto | hi |
| 21:17:50 | raptor | ok, back from an impromptu meeting |
| 21:17:59 | raptor | maybe i should post something about it |
| 21:18:18 | raptor | karamazovapy: still around? |
| 21:19:08 | karamazovapy | ish |
| 21:19:28 | raptor | i saved a backup of the table, i could revert if you wan tthe old post counts |
| 21:19:59 | karamazovapy | those 49 results include off-topic posts |
| 21:20:21 | karamazovapy | the stage fright thread, 25 days of christmas thread |
| 21:23:14 | raptor | http://bitfighter.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1276 |
| 21:23:25 | sam686 | this is what i see, raptor, in a footloose search result of all footloose posts.. http://sam686.maxhushahn.com/bitfighter/Bitfighter_Forums_searched_footloose.htm |
| 21:23:31 | Watusimoto | resent msg on mailing list |
| 21:23:53 | raptor | I got a BBB message! |
| 21:24:02 | karamazovapy | yeah - sam - that includes off-topic posts |
| 21:24:19 | sam686 | if you look at footloose post count, it says 27, look at search, it finds 49 |
| 21:24:35 | raptor | sam686: posts in off-topic are not counted |
| 21:24:35 | karamazovapy | yes, the 49 results include off-topic |
| 21:24:44 | raptor | as of 1/2 hour ago.. :) |
| 21:25:23 | karamazovapy | hah...I'm glad that BBB message finally made it through...I only sent it a week ago... |
| 21:28:08 | raptor | looks like the message was sent within an hour ago... |
| 21:28:13 | raptor | maybe that's the one Watusimoto sent? |
| 21:28:31 | Watusimoto | I hope so! |
| 21:28:33 | karamazovapy | my message was identical to the forum announcement |
| 21:28:42 | Watusimoto | mine was custom |
| 21:28:58 | Watusimoto | wait -- k which did you get? yours or mine? |
| 21:29:02 | raptor | ok, it was Watusimoto's |
| 21:30:12 | Watusimoto | lame. had another problem solved by clean/rebuild |
| 21:31:04 | raptor | ha! |
| 21:34:10 | raptor | i think i lost 2 or 3 post count with that change... |
| 21:34:32 | raptor | shame on me for ever posting that much in off-topic |
| 21:47:01 | raptor | i sure don't trust that minimal build analysis stuff in xcode or vc++ |
| 21:47:13 | raptor | seems like they have a few edge cases to work out |
| 21:47:16 | raptor | seems like they have a few edge cases to work out |
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| 22:24:39 | | BFLogBot - Commit a88c9fd53891 | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Clearer logic |
| 22:24:41 | | BFLogBot - Commit 2c179c4ae4ad | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Formatting, comments |
| 22:24:42 | | BFLogBot - Commit 3f3d4a7f2a0b | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Move comparison logic to a separate function (first step of refactor) |
| 22:24:44 | | BFLogBot - Commit 2070e311a970 | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Color names |
| 22:24:45 | | BFLogBot - Commit f581bf1b0b3f | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Comment |
| 22:24:47 | | BFLogBot - Commit dea671b8f052 | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Moved symbols out of global namespace, created a "home" for input related items |
| 22:24:48 | raptor | here it comes! |
| 22:24:48 | | BFLogBot - Commit 934b9709b47c | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Editor will now read in two-pt walls where points are atop one another, related cleanups |
| 22:24:50 | | BFLogBot - Commit 3b88ea8c187b | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Merge |
| 22:24:51 | sam686 | minimal rebuild doesn't seem to work, in one case i know, when changing "int blah(int num=3)" to "int blah(int num=4)", it incorrectly causes it to not rebuild anything.. |
| 22:25:12 | raptor | if you turn off minimal rebuild, you get multiprocessing! |
| 22:26:12 | sam686 | but, even with minimal rebuild off, it rebuilds only the .cpp files that sees the changed .h (changes in any way, including changing only comments)) |
| 22:26:39 | sam686 | minimal rebuild only tries to not rebuild in a case of header only changes is comments.. |
| 22:26:50 | raptor | yep, not worth it |
| 22:27:18 | raptor | when the opportunity cost is giving up multiprocess builds, then the cost is too high |
| 22:32:27 | sam686 | the cost might not be too high, if your CPU isn't multi core, like mine, it has hyperthreading, but doesn't double the compiler speed (more like, 1.6 times faster) compared to one core |
| 22:33:02 | sam686 | compared to single cpu thread, i meant, instead of 2 cpu thread compiling |
| 22:36:11 | Watusimoto | ok, everything should be in |
| 22:36:28 | raptor | ohmygoodnessitcompiled |
| 22:36:48 | Watusimoto | check out the new help -- I created a new term for modules |
| 22:36:57 | Watusimoto | we have passive, active, and now kinetic use |
| 22:37:03 | Watusimoto | spybugs are kinetic |
| 22:37:48 | raptor | except that last commit won't compile.. |
| 22:37:53 | Watusimoto | what?!? |
| 22:38:01 | raptor | 'Trivial formatting' |
| 22:38:10 | Watusimoto | I deleted a space |
| 22:38:20 | raptor | and made something a pointer |
| 22:38:45 | Watusimoto | uh, hold on a sec |
| 22:39:42 | Watusimoto | oh |
| 22:39:43 | Watusimoto | ok |
| 22:39:48 | Watusimoto | just checked in |
| 22:39:54 | Watusimoto | no idea how that happened |
| 22:39:54 | | BFLogBot - Commit c99aeda38d7a | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Updated instructions |
| 22:39:56 | | BFLogBot - Commit ac83e4bcad81 | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Trivial formatting |
| 22:39:57 | | BFLogBot - Commit e4731ef4060c | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Where did that come from?!? |
| 22:40:30 | raptor | sensor is the most complex by far... |
| 22:40:36 | Watusimoto | it is |
| 22:40:40 | raptor | we could add lots of kinetic alternatives.. |
| 22:40:46 | Watusimoto | we could |
| 22:40:52 | raptor | like overburn for boost |
| 22:40:59 | Watusimoto | a super burst of speed? |
| 22:41:07 | raptor | yes, that drains all energy |
| 22:41:15 | Watusimoto | I agree that would be cool |
| 22:41:24 | raptor | maybe velocity proportional to amout of energy you have |
| 22:41:29 | Watusimoto | of course |
| 22:42:49 | Watusimoto | ok, I am going to be a little early tonight |
| 22:42:53 | Watusimoto | at a sane hour |
| 22:42:58 | raptor | maybe armor's kinetic could be inertial dampener - a hard stop for a second and can't move |
| 22:43:15 | Watusimoto | would that actually be helpful? |
| 22:43:29 | raptor | armor weilders are pushed around alot with bursts... |
| 22:43:37 | raptor | just brain storming |
| 22:43:42 | Watusimoto | yes, of course |
| 22:44:03 | Watusimoto | well, I'd like to hear some ideas tomorrow |
| 22:44:05 | Watusimoto | good night |
| 22:44:08 | raptor | night! |
| 22:44:11 | raptor | thanks for checking in! |
| 22:44:21 | Watusimoto | I REALLY wanted to get this in |
| 22:44:31 | Watusimoto | now I need to do the actual case for it (numpad stuff) |
| 22:44:37 | raptor | haha |
| 22:44:40 | Watusimoto | but that should be easier |
| 22:48:35 | raptor | haha - Asteroid: Silent but deadly |
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