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| 00:01:46 | Watusimoto | sigh... I decided I had to change his name to megaTaTS |
| 00:03:06 | raptor | ToTs |
| 00:03:10 | raptor | everyone likes taters |
| 00:04:51 | bobdaduck | Why not |
| 00:04:54 | bobdaduck | just remove names? |
| 00:05:02 | Watusimoto | all that's in that repo is a readme... is that right? |
| 00:05:10 | raptor | i prefer NegaDuck |
| 00:05:17 | raptor | in the 'misc' one yes |
| 00:05:28 | raptor | i started it and planned on putting music ideas |
| 00:05:32 | raptor | but i had no music ideas |
| 00:05:57 | Fordcars | lol |
| 00:06:59 | Nothing_Much | Who made the music for Bitfighter? Unless it's not ost? |
| 00:07:12 | raptor | there's credits.txt in the music folder |
| 00:07:29 | | Fordcars Quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) |
| 00:07:39 | raptor | speaking of which.. Watusimoto, did you ever write anything to the composer of the songs we use? |
| 00:08:05 | Watusimoto | no |
| 00:08:32 | raptor | did we want to? |
| 00:09:25 | Watusimoto | I'm not sure |
| 00:09:29 | Watusimoto | it's probably a nice thing to do |
| 00:09:34 | Watusimoto | but I'm not sure what to say |
| 00:09:34 | raptor | forgiveness instead of permission, right? |
| 00:09:44 | Watusimoto | well, we have permission, sort of |
| 00:09:53 | raptor | I can write a short note, if you want |
| 00:09:59 | Watusimoto | sure |
| 00:10:00 | raptor | i'm good at being laconic |
| 00:10:53 | | BFLogBot Commit: 3fc4d9b4f01c | Author: watusimoto | Message: New screen shots and the like |
| 00:11:24 | Watusimoto | ok, I put them in your misc repo |
| 00:11:53 | raptor | yay |
| 00:12:49 | bobdaduck | Make sure we get a new player out of it |
| 00:12:56 | bobdaduck | Get composer to play game |
| 00:13:02 | bobdaduck | and actively make music for it |
| 00:13:04 | bobdaduck | profit |
| 00:13:08 | Watusimoto | if someone sends a stack of screenshots, as happens now and again, try to filter them and only save the good ones |
| 00:13:51 | Watusimoto | http://www.indiedb.com/games/bitfighter |
| 00:14:16 | raptor | hey... two of those screenshots look familiar... |
| 00:15:05 | Watusimoto | :-) |
| 00:15:54 | Watusimoto | I think the ratings there are related to desura |
| 00:16:01 | Watusimoto | so rate high and rate often |
| 00:16:09 | raptor | did htat... just show up after submitting to desura |
| 00:16:10 | raptor | ? |
| 00:25:03 | | Fordcars has joined |
| 00:25:27 | | amgine1234567890 has joined |
| 00:25:41 | amgine1234567890 | wow i failed hte captcha 6 times before getting it |
| 00:28:26 | raptor | i have a feeling that steam might eclipse desura... |
| 00:32:34 | bobdaduck | Guys |
| 00:32:42 | bobdaduck | There's STILL not a bitfighter ship on the box shot |
| 00:33:08 | raptor | can anyone give me a link to bitfighter on desura? |
| 00:33:21 | bobdaduck | Its not there yet is it? |
| 00:38:08 | Watusimoto | so sick of this |
| 00:38:21 | Watusimoto | updated another graphic so the banner doesn't repeat |
| 00:38:27 | Watusimoto | bobdaduck: I'm not going to add one |
| 00:38:38 | Watusimoto | but where do you see the box shot, anyway? |
| 00:40:40 | bobdaduck | on that indiedb |
| 00:40:50 | bobdaduck | Why not add one? |
| 00:40:55 | bobdaduck | ITS THE MOST ICONIC PART. |
| 00:41:23 | Watusimoto | we also appear here |
| 00:41:24 | Watusimoto | http://www.moddb.com/games/bitfighter |
| 00:41:36 | Watusimoto | bobdaduck: I want to see how that graphic will be used first |
| 00:41:40 | Watusimoto | I agree with you |
| 00:41:46 | raptor | wait |
| 00:41:50 | Watusimoto | but that particuar image format is very difficutl to work with |
| 00:41:55 | Watusimoto | tall format |
| 00:41:58 | raptor | do these sites have some sort of api to somewhere they hook into? |
| 00:42:10 | Watusimoto | so I think something attention grabbing is more important than iconic |
| 00:42:15 | Watusimoto | raptor: they all feed from desura |
| 00:42:24 | raptor | where on desura is it? |
| 00:42:39 | Watusimoto | it's not on there yet |
| 00:42:44 | Watusimoto | it's awaiting approval |
| 00:42:45 | raptor | i know i sound like a broken record.. |
| 00:42:55 | Watusimoto | I guess it gets published to the other sites before approval for desura |
| 00:42:59 | raptor | oh ok, so no public landing page yet |
| 00:43:06 | Watusimoto | these others are more game databases |
| 00:43:22 | Watusimoto | desura has the additional bit of being a game installation sote |
| 00:43:23 | Watusimoto | site |
| 00:43:34 | bobdaduck | I like what you've done with it, aside from not having a ship on the box. |
| 00:43:38 | raptor | does that mean... |
| 00:43:53 | raptor | do i need to make a standalone linux package? |
| 00:44:06 | raptor | because - i dread that (and the compatibility issues that ensue..) |
| 00:44:10 | Watusimoto | probably, but not just yet |
| 00:44:13 | Watusimoto | wait, why? |
| 00:44:23 | Watusimoto | I thought it was easy |
| 00:44:37 | raptor | because fedora/ubuntu/opensuse/whatever |
| 00:44:39 | Watusimoto | because we can omit the linux pacakge if we need to |
| 00:44:47 | Watusimoto | well, let's see what desura has to say |
| 00:44:53 | Watusimoto | I've uploaded no files yet |
| 00:44:54 | raptor | all have different library versions and sometimes names |
| 00:45:04 | Watusimoto | ok, well don't worry just yet |
| 00:45:29 | Watusimoto | let's see what's actually required before we panic |
| 00:45:59 | raptor | you mean, i panic |
| 00:46:03 | bobdaduck | lol |
| 00:46:07 | bobdaduck | I'll panic with you raptor |
| 00:46:09 | bobdaduck | if you want |
| 00:46:14 | bobdaduck | If it makes you feel better |
| 00:46:16 | raptor | they may have some sort of standard shared library kit... |
| 00:46:22 | raptor | which migh tmake it easier |
| 00:54:12 | amgine1234567890 | hmm |
| 00:54:43 | bobdaduck | hmmmm] |
| 00:58:28 | bobdaduck | Raptor tell you what |
| 00:58:38 | bobdaduck | I finish secret map project when 018a get sreleased |
| 00:58:48 | raptor | ok |
| 00:59:15 | raptor | is that to give me an incentive to work harder towards release? :) |
| 00:59:22 | bobdaduck | ...because I don't want to move the map to one of the alpha release folders just for the sake of building a script. |
| 00:59:32 | bobdaduck | RELEASE IT ALREADY |
| 00:59:33 | bobdaduck | :P |
| 00:59:34 | raptor | heh,`ok |
| 01:01:16 | Nothing_Much | regarding linux packages |
| 01:01:28 | Nothing_Much | There's a way to make it agnostic, as a .run file |
| 01:01:53 | bobdaduck | Agnostic? |
| 01:01:58 | bobdaduck | Is our software currently athiest? |
| 01:02:07 | Nothing_Much | As in, it will run on any Distro |
| 01:02:11 | raptor | no no, easier to run on various linux platforms |
| 01:02:20 | bobdaduck | LINUX PEOPLE. |
| 01:02:55 | raptor | hey, if it weren't for, Windows wouldn't look so good to some people... :) |
| 01:03:35 | bobdaduck | lol |
| 01:03:55 | bobdaduck | I would probably be a linux person if I grew up with it |
| 01:04:02 | bobdaduck | But I didn't, so I'm windows. |
| 01:04:09 | Nothing_Much | I grew up with Windows, but switched to Linux lol |
| 01:04:09 | bobdaduck | Never a mac guy though. |
| 01:04:36 | Nothing_Much | Used a Mac, it's by far the most stable OS I've ever used, but I couldn't play my games since I bought it a little too soon |
| 01:04:44 | Nothing_Much | So I built my own PC rig |
| 01:05:23 | bobdaduck | I'ma go take a nap |
| 01:05:25 | bobdaduck | night |
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| 01:05:54 | Nothing_Much | Later |
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| 01:14:22 | raptor | back later, too.. |
| 01:14:24 | | raptor Quit () |
| 01:18:04 | Watusimoto | Nothing_Much_: going to bed, but I'll leave you with this: |
| 01:18:05 | Watusimoto | http://www.indiedb.com/games/bitfighter |
| 01:18:12 | Watusimoto | all the media is linked into the desura pages |
| 01:18:22 | Watusimoto | so be sure to rate us high! |
| 01:18:24 | Watusimoto | good night |
| 01:18:27 | Nothing_Much_ | Sweet, good luck to ya guys, and absolutely! |
| 01:27:10 | | Watusimoto Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
| 01:58:18 | Fordcars | :( they left |
| 02:01:17 | Nothing_Much_ | It's bee a while |
| 02:01:23 | Nothing_Much_ | *been |
| 02:01:37 | Nothing_Much_ | So what's up? |
| 02:11:51 | Fordcars | nothing much :/ |
| 02:13:01 | Nothing_Much_ | Oh, sorry |
| 02:16:12 | Fordcars | vot |
| 02:16:34 | Fordcars | Well they were talking about some Linux stuff |
| 02:17:01 | Fordcars | Check http://bitfighter.org/irclogs/ if you want |
| 02:17:23 | Nothing_Much_ | I think I was there for most of that part |
| 02:17:39 | Nothing_Much_ | Ah, I was |
| 02:17:47 | kaen | Nothing_Much_, are you a developer or anything? |
| 02:17:59 | kaen | or just a gamer? |
| 02:18:07 | Nothing_Much_ | I wish I was a dev |
| 02:18:09 | Nothing_Much_ | Just a gamer |
| 02:18:26 | kaen | that's cool though |
| 02:18:27 | Nothing_Much_ | But I do know how Linux/Mac/Windows works, just not the programming aspect |
| 02:18:49 | Nothing_Much_ | I'm really glad I found this game thanks to wikipedia lol |
| 02:18:53 | kaen | I think it's pretty cool that you came here and told us about desura. |
| 02:19:19 | kaen | I want to see bitfighter do well. |
| 02:19:29 | Nothing_Much_ | Me too |
| 02:20:18 | Nothing_Much_ | Honestly, it wasn't just the game that's solid enough to get my approval (not that it means anything), but it's also the history of what this game's gone through and the company that made it |
| 02:21:01 | kaen | garage games has a pretty interesting history, no doubt |
| 02:22:16 | Nothing_Much_ | It survived a whole freakin' acquisition and got its name back, that's unheard of |
| 02:22:28 | Nothing_Much_ | And the archives of the forums still exist |
| 02:22:48 | Nothing_Much_ | I made a blog about it on my Desura page, mostly about BF tho |
| 02:23:47 | kaen | oh wow that's cool |
| 02:24:01 | kaen | I wish I could get those guys to support opentnl though... |
| 02:24:17 | Nothing_Much_ | OpenTNL? Isn't TNL technically open already? |
| 02:24:19 | kaen | putting it under MIT would be nice too... |
| 02:24:44 | kaen | OpenTNL is what we here commonly refer to as TNL |
| 02:25:05 | kaen | it's the one we use in bitfighter |
| 02:25:54 | kaen | but the last commit was ages ago, since then they've developed TNL2 and now the Torque products |
| 02:26:08 | kaen | e.g. Torque2D and Torque3D |
| 02:27:01 | kaen | opentnl as-is on sourceforge won't compile with modern gcc |
| 02:27:33 | kaen | it's use in bitfighter involved someone (wat I assume) updating tnl by himself to actually compile |
| 02:28:08 | Nothing_Much_ | Ahh.. well, should it be time for a port eventually? Assuming the programs are cross compatible with each other. |
| 02:28:24 | kaen | port? hmm from opentnl to a new one? |
| 02:28:26 | kaen | not likely |
| 02:28:52 | kaen | the libraries are worlds apart, even from OTNL to TNL2, let alone from OTNL to a modern torque engine |
| 02:29:07 | kaen | well, maybe not worlds apart |
| 02:29:41 | kaen | but it would involve rewriting complicated and delicate sections of fundamental classes |
| 02:30:20 | Nothing_Much_ | Would it be possible to contact one of the guys at GarageGames to continue development for the engine? |
| 02:30:31 | kaen | it's been done |
| 02:30:32 | Nothing_Much_ | Or at least give exposure to it? |
| 02:30:39 | kaen | on the forums there are a handful of threads |
| 02:30:53 | kaen | the usual response is "use [newer product here]" |
| 02:31:33 | kaen | it's not really important to bitfighter |
| 02:31:40 | Nothing_Much_ | That sucks :/ I mean, normally there should be updated versions of game engines, like IdTech, Unrealengine, etc. |
| 02:31:51 | kaen | because there's a stable version in the source tree custom-tailored to BF |
| 02:32:01 | kaen | but yeah, OTNL is a great tool |
| 02:32:19 | kaen | and lord knows there are not enough network libraries for open source games |
| 02:32:30 | Nothing_Much_ | Yeah |
| 02:32:32 | kaen | not of commercial caliber, especially |
| 02:33:02 | Nothing_Much_ | What do you mean a "custom-tailored" engine? |
| 02:33:11 | kaen | well, custom-tailored might be too strong |
| 02:33:23 | kaen | but there's a copy of tnl in bitfighter's source tree |
| 02:33:35 | kaen | with modifications wat made to have it support some bitfighter-specific stuff |
| 02:33:50 | Nothing_Much_ | Ah |
| 02:34:05 | Nothing_Much_ | My fear now is that the engine would become so outdated for newer OS's to come |
| 02:34:13 | kaen | hmm |
| 02:34:17 | Nothing_Much_ | Not just Linux, but OSX and Windows |
| 02:34:20 | kaen | possible, but not likely |
| 02:34:28 | kaen | although there's a looming spectre of ipv6 |
| 02:35:05 | Nothing_Much_ | That shouldn't be hard to bring into the engine, right? It's just another small set of code, I'm assuming, hopefully. |
| 02:35:17 | kaen | it's kind of low level |
| 02:35:47 | kaen | I dont' know how deep wat and raptor have gone into the engine, but it's easy to break stuff at that scale |
| 02:36:52 | kaen | raptor, though, ported the game to SDL iirc |
| 02:37:13 | kaen | so it wouldn't be the first bone marrow transplant-type thing they've done |
| 02:37:20 | Nothing_Much_ | SDL's a graphics API like OpenGL/DirectX right? |
| 02:37:29 | kaen | it's broader than that |
| 02:37:37 | kaen | it's a general purpose cross platform lib |
| 02:37:49 | kaen | gives access to graphics, but also audio and file stuff |
| 02:37:54 | kaen | and text |
| 02:37:57 | kaen | etc. |
| 02:38:18 | kaen | but it exposes opengl, yes |
| 02:38:25 | Nothing_Much_ | So it's more like DX, as DX is a bundle of stuff like D3D, DirectSound, etc. |
| 02:38:36 | Nothing_Much_ | Ah |
| 02:38:39 | kaen | sounds right. |
| 02:38:52 | kaen | I know almost nothing about windows |
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| 02:39:39 | Nothing_Much_ | Curious, would you happen to know of any cross-platform developers that would be interested in coding for Desurium? |
| 02:40:59 | kaen | I'd have an interest myself, but I honestly could not say I'm cross platform. |
| 02:41:18 | Fordcars | What is Desurium? |
| 02:41:35 | kaen | I can't even keep up with my bitfighter duties... |
| 02:42:09 | raptor | we have cared for TNL like one of our own children... at times, even trying desperately to understand it |
| 02:42:16 | | raptor is reviewing logs |
| 02:42:38 | Nothing_Much_ | I have to say, no offense or anything but for a community so small, it really shows the passion and dedication you guys have for a game and engine. |
| 02:42:43 | raptor | kaen: i can't keep up with my bitfighter duties |
| 02:42:52 | kaen | phew. |
| 02:43:01 | Nothing_Much_ | It really shows |
| 02:44:17 | Nothing_Much_ | I mean, some people would just give up on something that hasn't really caught on that much attention. (Apologies.) But I'm honestly glad that there's a group of people like you that are hard working for something you love. |
| 02:45:31 | Fordcars | Totally agree. These guys work on Bitfighter nearly each day |
| 02:46:14 | Nothing_Much_ | Fordcars, when did you start playing BF? |
| 02:47:02 | raptor | Nothing_Much_: we even got TNL on ARM! (secret android and iOS ports exist... and crash frequently) |
| 02:47:40 | Nothing_Much_ | Wow, pardon my language, but holy shit, THAT is dedication at its finest. |
| 02:48:12 | raptor | :) it's really a hobby... |
| 02:48:19 | Fordcars | I have been playing for quite sometime. But I played a little Zap back then too |
| 02:48:26 | kaen | the ios port is pretty secret. |
| 02:48:27 | raptor | i should be paying more attention to school, i'm sure... |
| 02:48:33 | kaen | I just learned about it right now |
| 02:48:37 | raptor | hahaha |
| 02:48:42 | raptor | yeah, you know koda? |
| 02:48:45 | kaen | yes |
| 02:48:48 | kaen | oh, that's right! |
| 02:48:50 | raptor | he did the iOS port for hedgewars |
| 02:48:55 | kaen | I've seen the clone |
| 02:49:09 | kaen | his clone of bf on ios |
| 02:49:16 | Fordcars | I checked out ios port in my clone, then I was like "COMPILE IT", then I noticed that I was on PPC |
| 02:49:37 | raptor | yeah, so he has screenshots and things, but he's the only one i know who can compile.. |
| 02:49:43 | kaen | haha |
| 02:50:26 | raptor | but i'm glad he has helped out since i was technically the mac maintainer... with my illegal Mac VM |
| 02:50:42 | kaen | lol |
| 02:50:48 | Fordcars | lol |
| 02:50:57 | Nothing_Much_ | Hobbies require dedication, it can make anything good. |
| 02:51:30 | Fordcars | I can compile on Xcode to like iOs 2 max :/ |
| 02:51:48 | Fordcars | I need a computer upgrade! |
| 02:51:58 | Nothing_Much_ | What's your current specs, Fordcars? |
| 02:52:05 | Fordcars | my computer? |
| 02:52:09 | Nothing_Much_ | Yes |
| 02:53:04 | Fordcars | Mac os X 10.5.8, 1.67 GHz PowerPC G4, 1 GB DDR2 SDRAM, PowerBook G4 |
| 02:53:40 | Nothing_Much_ | Ahh.. You're a Mac guy, are you a developer or just a gamer like me? |
| 02:54:00 | raptor | even though i may a legal copy of OSX (from work), there's apparently something in the EULA that states you not allowed to run in on non-apple hardware |
| 02:54:08 | Fordcars | I know this stuff by heart :D |
| 02:54:08 | Fordcars | Oh I have windows too, And an old hacked wii with linux on it :D |
| 02:54:59 | Nothing_Much_ | Excellent Fordcars, raptor, Apple never wants people running their OS on other PCs, Apple fans speculate that if they did that, they'd probably go out of business. |
| 02:55:18 | Fordcars | I try to be a developper, but I barely know ANY languages |
| 02:55:31 | Nothing_Much_ | Are you in school/college? |
| 02:55:43 | Fordcars | School |
| 02:55:57 | Nothing_Much_ | Ah, what grade? |
| 02:56:25 | Fordcars | By the way, without Apple, windows would be completely diffrent. Search the Macintosh on wikipedia |
| 02:56:37 | Fordcars | But yeah apple has some finacial issues |
| 02:57:01 | Nothing_Much_ | I hope that Apple still succeeds without Steve Jobs there. |
| 02:57:05 | raptor | hey Fordcars, i've been meaning to ask... |
| 02:57:25 | raptor | is there *any* sort of notification system on mac 10.5- 10.7? |
| 02:57:25 | Fordcars | The thing that totally stinks with Windows is that they are filfy rich when they only make and maintain their os, no hardware |
| 02:57:32 | Fordcars | yep |
| 02:57:44 | raptor | or, have you seen anything that resembles a popup window from the system? |
| 02:57:50 | Fordcars | barely used but yes in the top right corner of the screen |
| 02:58:06 | raptor | ok, that's the status bar.. |
| 02:58:11 | raptor | i know how to use that |
| 02:58:13 | Fordcars | mostly for updates and emails |
| 02:58:23 | raptor | but to pop up a message? does it do that? |
| 02:58:29 | Fordcars | yes! |
| 02:58:30 | raptor | i know how to add an icon there and a menu |
| 02:58:47 | Fordcars | It shows a transparent pop up window |
| 02:59:03 | raptor | would you be able to somehow get a screenshot? |
| 02:59:11 | raptor | i'm coding sort of blind... |
| 02:59:18 | Fordcars | yeah hehe sorry |
| 02:59:36 | Fordcars | mostly updates us the notifications but I have seen other apps use it |
| 03:00:03 | Nothing_Much_ | Haven't used OSX in a while.. |
| 03:00:16 | Nothing_Much_ | Fordcars, are you able to purchase a new Mac/PC? |
| 03:00:29 | Fordcars | yeah sorry about being so obssed earlier about apple :/ |
| 03:00:34 | Nothing_Much_ | It's np |
| 03:00:58 | Fordcars | Video Game consoles and computers tend to do that :/ |
| 03:01:13 | Fordcars | nah actually I am out-of-money |
| 03:01:30 | Nothing_Much_ | Haha, yeah, but it's natural. Anyways, regarding Desurium, think of Google Chrome. |
| 03:01:48 | Nothing_Much_ | Desura is to Google Chrome, while Desurium is to Chromium |
| 03:01:52 | Fordcars | And my computers works fine, so I don't need to upgrade that bad |
| 03:02:03 | Fordcars | Desura is a Web Browser? |
| 03:02:09 | Nothing_Much_ | Not exactly |
| 03:02:18 | Nothing_Much_ | It's a DRM-Free Game distribution client |
| 03:02:26 | Nothing_Much_ | Some commercial games exist there though |
| 03:02:29 | Fordcars | Oh right |
| 03:02:42 | Fordcars | Like Steam, kinda? |
| 03:02:48 | Nothing_Much_ | Not necessarily |
| 03:02:49 | Fordcars | but free |
| 03:03:06 | Fordcars | Just to get the app on a few websites |
| 03:03:09 | Nothing_Much_ | It has mostly indie games, mods, and free games |
| 03:03:15 | Fordcars | ok |
| 03:03:31 | Fordcars | So its nothing like Google Chrome :P |
| 03:03:52 | Nothing_Much_ | I was hoping that you guys would be interested in getting BF on Desura, so I came here and spoke and now all I can say now is good luck |
| 03:04:17 | Nothing_Much_ | Yeah lol |
| 03:04:23 | Fordcars | lol ok thanks |
| 03:06:07 | Nothing_Much_ | kaen, is that you on the other channel? |
| 03:06:25 | Fordcars | We should get some Facebook or Google ads |
| 03:06:40 | kaen | Nothing_Much_ yeah nicks are unique on irc ^^ |
| 03:06:59 | Nothing_Much_ | Ah, nice |
| 03:07:44 | Nothing_Much_ | I recently made a thread on Reddit recruiting possible devs for Desura, it gathered a few people, but as of now I think the desurium guys are having a discussion on the licensing. |
| 03:09:01 | raptor | Nothing_Much_: what is the relationship between desura and desurium? |
| 03:09:32 | Fordcars | the first 5 letters |
| 03:09:36 | Nothing_Much_ | Desura released its source code under the Desurium name |
| 03:09:36 | Fordcars | :P |
| 03:09:43 | Nothing_Much_ | Desura still exists |
| 03:09:47 | raptor | ah ok |
| 03:09:51 | raptor | thanks |
| 03:10:02 | Nothing_Much_ | Like I said, it's the equivalent to the relationship between Chrome and Chromium |
| 03:11:23 | Fordcars | YES I AM DONE |
| 03:11:47 | Fordcars | sorry I had to write an essay |
| 03:11:57 | amgine1234567890 | ok |
| 03:12:00 | Nothing_Much_ | nice |
| 03:12:06 | Fordcars | hehe |
| 03:12:17 | Fordcars | in french |
| 03:12:35 | raptor | was it about bitfighter and it's uncanny ability to take normal, hard-working students away from the tasks they should be doing? |
| 03:12:40 | raptor | *its |
| 03:12:50 | Fordcars | yeah :( |
| 03:12:52 | amgine1234567890 | XD |
| 03:13:01 | Fordcars | Stupid IRC channel and stupid forums |
| 03:13:08 | Fordcars | xD |
| 03:15:36 | Nothing_Much_ | Hmm.. |
| 03:16:39 | Fordcars | ..mmH |
| 03:17:01 | Nothing_Much_ | Yeah, just that, I'm thinking of what else I should say either regarding Desurium or somethin' else lol |
| 03:17:07 | Fordcars | lol |
| 03:17:11 | Fordcars | Seems nice |
| 03:17:27 | Fordcars | I loooooooove open-source |
| 03:17:44 | Nothing_Much_ | I love it too, and so should everybody else |
| 03:17:51 | Fordcars | yep |
| 03:17:57 | raptor | so Fordcars, i need to find a way to make a popup window on osx 10.7 or earlier and i cannot find much... |
| 03:18:16 | Fordcars | well dude I don't know much about 10.7 |
| 03:18:19 | Fordcars | wait..... |
| 03:18:47 | Nothing_Much_ | I think 10.6 was the last version to support PPC, so if you're thinkin' about upgrading that then you're outta luck |
| 03:18:47 | raptor | even 10.5 or 10.4 |
| 03:18:53 | raptor | 10.5 was |
| 03:18:58 | Nothing_Much_ | Ah |
| 03:19:18 | Fordcars | you can't in 10.4 raptor |
| 03:19:43 | raptor | i'm mostly looking to support 10.6+ with the notifier |
| 03:20:08 | Fordcars | there I have a picture |
| 03:20:36 | raptor | ? |
| 03:20:58 | Fordcars | sorry a picture of the notification |
| 03:21:20 | Fordcars | whats the url of pastee |
| 03:21:56 | raptor | you can use sam's: http://sam6.25u.com/upload3.php |
| 03:22:18 | Fordcars | ok thanks |
| 03:22:55 | Fordcars | http://sam6.25u.com/upload/Picture%202.png |
| 03:23:32 | raptor | whoa! |
| 03:23:36 | raptor | how... |
| 03:23:40 | raptor | what is generating that?? |
| 03:23:47 | Fordcars | It's built in! |
| 03:24:10 | raptor | so what is sending those messages to it? |
| 03:25:38 | Fordcars | wow apparently it's WAY easier on 10.7 |
| 03:28:40 | Fordcars | ok so you can have easy notifications (iPod touch style) on Mac os X Lion |
| 03:33:05 | Fordcars | ok so either, if on lion, you do a little reserach for lion notifications, or, find a way for the notification that I showed you (which probably won't work on lion) |
| 03:40:22 | Nothing_Much_ | http://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/ This is where I posted the Desurium recruitment thread |
| 03:40:29 | Nothing_Much_ | In case anybody's interested |
| 03:41:40 | Fordcars | I posted this: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4737060 |
| 03:42:43 | Nothing_Much_ | Uh.. your personal email address is there dude |
| 03:42:50 | Fordcars | yeah I know |
| 03:42:54 | Fordcars | oops |
| 03:43:39 | raptor | hey look, i'm on there too! |
| 03:44:52 | Fordcars | hehe I am hiding me email one second |
| 03:45:29 | amgine1234567890 | lol iom going to spam your email fordcars XD |
| 03:45:34 | Fordcars | hehe |
| 03:47:07 | Fordcars | there reload the page xD |
| 03:50:19 | Fordcars | ok I will be back in a few minutes |
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| 03:50:53 | amgine1234567890 | =p |
| 04:35:07 | Nothing_Much_ | Alrighty then |
| 04:36:00 | raptor | ha! |
| 04:36:02 | raptor | ok |
| 04:36:06 | raptor | fordcars you around? |
| 04:41:19 | | BFLogBot Commit: 2fa424265df4 | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Support Mac notifications on systems older than OSX 10.8. This uses the NSAlert class which may be annoying... |
| 04:42:04 | Nothing_Much_ | He left, said he'd be back in a few min.. an hour ago |
| 04:43:28 | raptor | because i jsut wrote something that *may* work on his system... |
| 04:45:00 | Nothing_Much_ | How exactly do you get OSX to run on non apple hardware? |
| 04:45:05 | Nothing_Much_ | I might be able to do that |
| 04:45:09 | raptor | in a virtual machine :) |
| 04:45:34 | raptor | i tried to actually isntall it on an old ibm laptop once, as an experiment |
| 04:45:51 | raptor | i had to download recompiled drivers for it off of some hacking site |
| 04:45:56 | raptor | and it crashed a lot |
| 04:46:12 | raptor | i would never recommend making a 'hackintosh' as they are called |
| 04:46:23 | raptor | but it runs perfectly in a virtual machine (VMWare) |
| 04:46:54 | Nothing_Much_ | What about Virtualbox? |
| 04:47:14 | raptor | i think it can be done in virtualbox, too - although i haven't tried |
| 04:47:26 | raptor | i get vmware workstation through my work |
| 04:47:29 | raptor | which is nice |
| 04:51:22 | Nothing_Much_ | Did you get it from tpb? |
| 04:51:59 | raptor | no, i have vmware from my work + osx 10.6 from work (we have an old apple lying around) |
| 04:52:12 | raptor | like an official license of vmware |
| 04:52:58 | Nothing_Much_ | ohh |
| 04:53:00 | Nothing_Much_ | hmm.. |
| 04:53:08 | Nothing_Much_ | guess I'm on my own for that |
| 04:53:19 | raptor | yeah - i think it can be done in virtualbox |
| 04:53:48 | raptor | somehow... although i'm not too familiar with virtualbox since i've been spoiled by good software from work.. |
| 04:55:12 | Nothing_Much_ | Unless confidential, how old are you? |
| 04:55:25 | raptor | i'm a 31 year-old father of two :) |
| 04:55:28 | raptor | wait.. |
| 04:55:33 | raptor | yeah, 31 now, i think |
| 04:55:42 | Nothing_Much_ | oh wow, that's awesome |
| 04:55:45 | raptor | :) |
| 04:55:57 | Nothing_Much_ | so I guess you're the oldest of the devs for bf? |
| 04:56:05 | raptor | ha, actually, no |
| 04:56:14 | raptor | watusimoto is older by a decade or so, i think |
| 04:56:47 | raptor | sam686 and kaen are the young whippersnappers |
| 04:57:07 | amgine1234567890 | how old are sam and kaen? |
| 04:57:19 | raptor | roughly a decade younger than me, i think |
| 04:57:32 | raptor | but they can answer for themselves |
| 04:57:37 | raptor | :) |
| 04:57:59 | Nothing_Much_ | Too cool! |
| 04:58:04 | kaen | 23. |
| 04:58:16 | raptor | hey.. your in the prime of your life like me! |
| 04:58:19 | raptor | *you're |
| 04:58:24 | kaen | I hope that was a pun |
| 04:58:29 | kaen | because 23 is prime. |
| 04:58:36 | kaen | :) |
| 04:58:37 | raptor | yay fellow math geek |
| 04:58:46 | raptor | no one else seems to get that joke... |
| 04:59:10 | kaen | lol that's great |
| 04:59:19 | amgine1234567890 | i do and it wasent a very punny joke. |
| 04:59:35 | raptor | har har |
| 05:00:13 | raptor | must shut down the evilness |
| 05:00:20 | | raptor washes his hands of osx |
| 05:01:17 | raptor | ok, bugfixin' time! |
| 05:03:09 | amgine1234567890 | osme say bugs? |
| 05:03:14 | amgine1234567890 | somone? |
| 05:07:51 | amgine1234567890 | lol i got out to coords x,1,000,000 using lots of mines a armor and a sheild XD |
| 05:08:09 | raptor | sigh armor |
| 05:09:28 | amgine1234567890 | i wonder how far the the game can handle coords. |
| 05:11:38 | raptor | yay one bug fixed |
| 05:11:49 | | BFLogBot Commit: 422bb0991445 | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Fix fading out UI on death when typing a message |
| 05:12:12 | amgine1234567890 | just wondering raptor is it possible to make the levels wrap around after say maybe 0,1,000,000 |
| 05:12:28 | raptor | amgine1234567890: i have no idea |
| 05:12:44 | raptor | that would be spooky.... and perhaps violate the laws -f space-time |
| 05:12:53 | raptor | *of |
| 05:13:00 | amgine1234567890 | and thank you for fixing the fade out bug it was anoyying |
| 05:13:23 | amgine1234567890 | it was anoyying to be typing osmthing die and have hte message thing fade out. |
| 05:14:19 | amgine1234567890 | space wapring is possible not just with the match we know. =) |
| 05:14:24 | amgine1234567890 | math |
| 05:16:23 | kaen | actually in a 2d game space wrapping is very easy math |
| 05:16:27 | kaen | it's called modulo |
| 05:17:07 | kaen | aaaaand time to play more morrowind |
| 05:19:16 | raptor | morrowind? |
| 05:19:37 | amgine1234567890 | elder scrolss serires |
| 05:19:49 | raptor | ohh... |
| 05:22:53 | amgine1234567890 | having map wrap around seems like a good idea but its up to you i think its a good idea. |
| 05:27:56 | | BFLogBot Commit: 912d6253ad3c | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Fix ghost ships giving points in rabbit |
| 05:28:22 | raptor | where's bobdaduck, i have a question about one of his bugs.. |
| 05:36:18 | raptor | hmmm... can't fix my other bugs, there's some Lua crashes involved.. |
| 05:36:26 | raptor | ok, well, good night folks! |
| 05:38:15 | Nothing_Much_ | later |
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| 15:02:39 | raptor | buenois! |
| 16:12:56 | raptor | watusimoto: how do i access the game with my account? |
| 16:13:24 | watusimoto | Try this: |
| 16:13:25 | watusimoto | http://www.desura.com/games/publish/bitfighter |
| 16:13:30 | raptor | i went to development -> my games... ok |
| 16:14:03 | watusimoto | so as soon as they pull the trigger, our Windows version should go live |
| 16:14:11 | raptor | cool! |
| 16:16:01 | raptor | megaTaTs |
| 16:16:03 | raptor | ha |
| 16:16:14 | raptor | my wife knows how to tat... |
| 16:20:03 | watusimoto | I'm going to just leave that one right there on the table. Not going to touch it. |
| 16:20:09 | raptor | this, if that doesn't ring a bell: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatting |
| 16:20:54 | watusimoto | I thought she knew how to do this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tattoo |
| 16:21:46 | raptor | haha, i supposed that statement of mine could have gone anywhere... |
| 16:22:40 | raptor | so i see the 'upload release' part of Bitfighter |
| 16:22:42 | raptor | on desura |
| 16:23:14 | raptor | I can download,edit, delete the file that is there.. |
| 16:25:11 | raptor | it says i have uploaded no files and so cannot proceed to next step - is that because it is awaiting approval? |
| 16:28:30 | watusimoto | I think so |
| 16:28:44 | watusimoto | but one file is there |
| 16:28:58 | watusimoto | just above where it says no files, I think |
| 16:29:05 | raptor | correct |
| 16:29:08 | watusimoto | Windows 018 Installer or the like |
| 16:29:09 | watusimoto | yes |
| 16:29:35 | watusimoto | there is no info about how to package for desura -- I just uploaded our standard windows installer |
| 16:29:46 | raptor | i see a link called 'create mfc' |
| 16:29:54 | watusimoto | try to follow it |
| 16:29:57 | raptor | clicked on it and it had me download the desura client |
| 16:30:07 | raptor | i installed the client, but cannot get to the bitfighter page.. |
| 16:30:09 | watusimoto | I did that -- no further clarification |
| 16:30:23 | raptor | i think we're supposed to click that in the client |
| 16:30:36 | watusimoto | I do think we have a pretty nice looking profile, overall |
| 16:30:58 | watusimoto | looks a little less nice on indie gamedb |
| 16:31:02 | watusimoto | but not terrible |
| 16:31:10 | watusimoto | the colors there are less complimentary |
| 16:32:24 | raptor | can you get to the game in the client? |
| 16:32:56 | raptor | the client seems identical to the website, with everythign except a URL bar for me to go right there.. |
| 16:32:57 | watusimoto | no |
| 16:33:02 | watusimoto | it needs to be approved first |
| 16:33:33 | watusimoto | it's currently about 3AM in desuraland, so it won't happen tonight |
| 16:33:49 | raptor | oh wow |
| 16:33:52 | raptor | australia? |
| 16:33:59 | watusimoto | melbourne |
| 16:36:18 | raptor | see the second part of http://www.ads.desura.com/how-to |
| 16:36:26 | raptor | 'setup your release files' |
| 16:36:34 | raptor | it talks about the mcf |
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| 16:49:36 | watusimoto | mcf is easy to create for windows |
| 16:49:58 | watusimoto | though looks like it would be hard to automate |
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| 16:50:43 | Nothing_Much__ | Is the mcf creator only for Windows? |
| 16:53:26 | watusimoto | no, just easy to do from windows |
| 16:53:59 | watusimoto | and there's not really much point to it for us |
| 16:54:13 | raptor | wait wait - is there no mac client? |
| 16:54:24 | watusimoto | well, it might reduce the size a little if we don't change the music |
| 16:54:29 | watusimoto | not sure about that |
| 16:54:35 | watusimoto | they talk about mac here and there |
| 16:55:32 | Nothing_Much__ | Not yet, Desura for Mac is yet to be released, but it will appear for Mac on the game's page for download |
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| 18:22:18 | bobdaduck | Hey raptor |
| 18:22:18 | bobdaduck | I finished it |
| 18:22:25 | raptor | hi hi |
| 18:22:26 | bobdaduck | now release 018a |
| 18:22:31 | bobdaduck | :P |
| 18:22:33 | raptor | i fixed two bugs last night! |
| 18:22:46 | bobdaduck | Whoo! |
| 18:23:04 | bobdaduck | I finished it last night |
| 18:23:13 | raptor | and found several more, but Watusimoto is probably already aware (Lua crashes with bots) |
| 18:23:19 | bobdaduck | I was going to tell you but you weren't on at 2:00 AM. |
| 18:23:22 | raptor | the awaited map? |
| 18:23:24 | raptor | haha |
| 18:23:43 | bobdaduck | The secret map project map. |
| 18:24:45 | bobdaduck | Only thing left before I can start working on personal map projects is to put some last revisions on sands of time |
| 18:24:56 | bobdaduck | ...Which I really don't want to do, because I kinda don't want to release it. |
| 18:25:03 | raptor | you don't have to.. |
| 18:25:17 | bobdaduck | but everyone wants me tooooo |
| 18:25:31 | bobdaduck | xD |
| 18:25:32 | raptor | yes, and no one will be able to play it because it requires 018a features |
| 18:25:55 | bobdaduck | Good point. |
| 18:26:23 | raptor | so i officially give you leave to delay the release until we get ours finished :) |
| 18:26:31 | bobdaduck | Dillard resolved! |
| 18:26:31 | bobdaduck | xD |
| 18:26:37 | bobdaduck | I feel like if I release it |
| 18:26:47 | bobdaduck | everyone's just gonna wanna play it |
| 18:26:50 | bobdaduck | and never any real map |
| 18:26:52 | bobdaduck | ever again. |
| 18:27:05 | raptor | ha |
| 18:27:22 | raptor | you and quartz should stop making decent dungeons then! |
| 18:27:29 | bobdaduck | IKR |
| 18:27:36 | raptor | (but not really) |
| 18:27:43 | bobdaduck | After I get done with my current queue of projects |
| 18:27:53 | bobdaduck | I will start making actual maps. |
| 18:28:45 | raptor | so tell me |
| 18:28:46 | bobdaduck | AND I'M TIRED OF DUNGEONS THERE ARE SO MANY |
| 18:28:52 | bobdaduck | tell you |
| 18:28:52 | raptor | i'm banned from the off-topic forums |
| 18:29:01 | raptor | and _k used to patrol them |
| 18:29:11 | raptor | how are they now? |
| 18:29:22 | raptor | have then gone the way of internet cespool like all do? |
| 18:29:25 | bobdaduck | "the trolling thread" |
| 18:29:35 | bobdaduck | "the exploits of quartz and bobdaduck" |
| 18:29:44 | bobdaduck | "forum game: corrupt a wish" |
| 18:29:52 | bobdaduck | "randomwebsite" |
| 18:29:59 | bobdaduck | "good old zap days" |
| 18:30:05 | bobdaduck | "the dumpster" |
| 18:30:07 | raptor | ok, doesn't sound too bad... |
| 18:30:08 | bobdaduck | "chess" |
| 18:30:20 | bobdaduck | Given that our community is only like 12 years old |
| 18:30:42 | bobdaduck | cespool is not nearly as bad as it is in other communities xD |
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| 18:33:44 | raptor | i couldn't think of a better word.. |
| 18:35:56 | bobdaduck | Nah, that's what its generally termed. |
| 18:46:07 | bobdaduck | Anyone know what happened to _k/ |
| 18:46:34 | raptor | he started a business, disappeared last march, showed up for the last contest party as 'Mr. Gone' |
| 18:47:04 | bobdaduck | hm, okay. |
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| 19:26:00 | raptor | anyone here has experience with hg-subversion? |
| 19:26:02 | raptor | *have |
| 19:48:13 | bobdaduck | that |
| 19:48:14 | bobdaduck | is quite the username. |
| 19:48:17 | raptor | ? |
| 19:48:25 | raptor | i bet that's little_apple |
| 19:48:31 | bobdaduck | lol |
| 20:06:15 | bobdaduck | A door appears in the wall! The door crashes open! It explodes! |
| 20:13:21 | Nothing_Much_ | Hey guys |
| 20:13:51 | kaen | hi. |
| 20:15:26 | bobdaduck | Hai |
| 20:16:05 | raptor | hola |
| 20:18:25 | Nothing_Much_ | So I saw the Desura page, looks awesome! Will there be a client version download for Linux distros/Windows? |
| 20:18:46 | raptor | windows is already uploaded; but, they haven't approved anything yet |
| 20:19:14 | Nothing_Much_ | Ah, that's good |
| 20:19:33 | bobdaduck | When will they approve it? |
| 20:19:41 | Nothing_Much_ | What I mean is an uninstallable executable, so when you double click the game, it just plays. |
| 20:20:33 | bobdaduck | I think its possible... Isn't it? |
| 20:21:18 | Nothing_Much_ | Wait, it's just an execute and play game? No need to install anything? |
| 20:21:46 | raptor | Nothing_Much_: it can be - we introduced the option of a standalone installation with last release |
| 20:23:13 | Nothing_Much_ | Erm.. Lemme think about what to say, the standalone version is up for a separate download? And the Desura version is available so it will wind up in my .desura folder where everything is placed for convenience? |
| 20:23:36 | raptor | i don't know anything |
| 20:23:42 | raptor | i don't even know what you're asking... |
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| 20:23:59 | Nothing_Much | Uh.. |
| 20:24:34 | Nothing_Much | Hmm.. basically, the Desura client downloads the game for me and it will place the executables in a directory of my choice, then once it's finished downloading, I can easily launch it from the Desura client |
| 20:25:14 | raptor | ok |
| 20:25:24 | raptor | i don't know much about desura integration yet.. |
| 20:25:47 | Nothing_Much | Ah, okay then, try to get used to it and see how it works first |
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| 21:24:19 | loucheboy | I need a bit of help. |
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| 21:25:37 | loucheboy | When I try to run Bitfighter with the -dedicated option in my Terminal, it just says "Connecting to Bitfighter host" multiple times with different IPs |
| 21:25:38 | Nothing_Much | What'dya need help with? |
| 21:26:25 | loucheboy | Also, one other quick question, if I run Bitfighter with the -dedicated argument, does it also use arguments I already specified in the .ini? |
| 21:26:54 | loucheboy | This are the messages I get when I run it with -dedicated Server connecting to master [IP:199.192.229.168:25955] Server connecting to master [bitfighter.org:25955] Server connecting to master [IP:199.192.229.168:25955] Server connecting to master [bitfighter.org:25955] |
| 21:27:03 | bobdaduck | Okayh |
| 21:27:07 | bobdaduck | now open bitfighter |
| 21:27:10 | loucheboy | and it doesn't show up in the server list. |
| 21:27:11 | raptor | hi loucheboy |
| 21:27:11 | bobdaduck | and see if your server is there. |
| 21:27:21 | loucheboy | it isn't |
| 21:27:35 | raptor | loucheboy: bitfighter will always load from the INI |
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| 21:28:19 | loucheboy | I exited by accident |
| 21:28:38 | raptor | actually if it says those 'server connecting...' things over and over, that means you cannot connect to master for some reason |
| 21:28:57 | loucheboy | would the port not being forwarded be an issue? |
| 21:29:09 | raptor | that is almost always the isse |
| 21:29:11 | raptor | *issue |
| 21:29:13 | bobdaduck | lol |
| 21:29:21 | bobdaduck | Do you know how to open up port forwarding? |
| 21:29:24 | loucheboy | yes |
| 21:29:25 | raptor | but it would still show up in the master list with 'ping timed out' |
| 21:29:31 | loucheboy | I just didn't get around to it yet |
| 21:29:51 | loucheboy | What is the default port? |
| 21:30:02 | raptor | usually 28000 |
| 21:30:10 | raptor | but it could be anything if that port is already taken |
| 21:30:14 | loucheboy | okay |
| 21:31:04 | loucheboy | I just forwarded the port |
| 21:31:37 | raptor | are you still getting the messages... 'connecting to master..' over and over? |
| 21:33:03 | loucheboy | I'm trying restarting the server |
| 21:33:11 | raptor | loucheboy: what version are you running? |
| 21:33:14 | loucheboy | yes I am. |
| 21:33:14 | loucheboy | Server connecting to master [IP:199.192.229.168:25955] Server connecting to master [bitfighter.org:25955] |
| 21:33:37 | loucheboy | Quite frankly, I have no idea |
| 21:33:54 | raptor | then master is either rejecting your server, or, it is blocked for some reason |
| 21:34:00 | loucheboy | But I downloaded the most recent version for Mac pretty recently |
| 21:34:19 | raptor | if you run the game, it says under the big bitfighter logo '018' or something |
| 21:35:21 | loucheboy | I believe that it is 018 |
| 21:35:36 | loucheboy | I downloaded it last week |
| 21:35:49 | raptor | is your server named 'click here'? |
| 21:36:18 | loucheboy | no |
| 21:36:38 | loucheboy | should be something like "M0DDED Bitfighter" |
| 21:36:51 | raptor | i'm getting no server connects from you on the master end |
| 21:36:51 | bobdaduck | Are you running a mod? xD |
| 21:36:53 | raptor | so... |
| 21:37:23 | loucheboy | no |
| 21:37:33 | loucheboy | just used the name for my minecraft server |
| 21:37:41 | loucheboy | so i kept it for the bitfighter server' |
| 21:37:53 | loucheboy | hmmmmmmm |
| 21:37:54 | raptor | is the server running on the same computer as you? |
| 21:37:59 | loucheboy | yes |
| 21:38:10 | loucheboy | I am on my server computer right now |
| 21:38:16 | raptor | because I'm not seeing anything connect from your IP address on the master server.. |
| 21:38:34 | loucheboy | it isn't a real server, but its an old mac mini I repurposed |
| 21:38:44 | raptor | that's fine |
| 21:38:46 | loucheboy | anyway, i gtg now |
| 21:38:54 | raptor | ok |
| 21:39:00 | loucheboy | if you guys think of anything, ill come one later |
| 21:39:07 | raptor | it's either crashing early |
| 21:39:14 | raptor | or being blocked on your end somehow |
| 21:39:34 | raptor | because there is no communication to the master server |
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| 21:44:22 | Watusimoto | hey there |
| 21:44:27 | raptor | be square |
| 21:44:36 | bobdaduck | Bitfighter needs a "US-English(pirate)" option. |
| 21:44:38 | bobdaduck | Like facebook. |
| 21:44:51 | raptor | i'm actually a fan of the klingon on Google |
| 21:45:02 | Watusimoto | for desura we need to do the mcf |
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| 21:46:10 | bobdaduck | mcf? |
| 21:46:19 | Watusimoto | so, to remind me, we need to do a clean install and then what? |
| 21:46:32 | Watusimoto | I need to install the desura client here, don't I? |
| 21:46:46 | raptor | i think you need a clean desura client just for the mscf |
| 21:46:48 | raptor | mcf |
| 21:46:53 | raptor | whatever |
| 21:49:27 | Watusimoto | and to do the clean install, Ill need to install to a new folder, then create a file called .standalone/// that's probably it, right? |
| 21:49:33 | raptor | well... |
| 21:49:40 | raptor | windows won't let you add .standalone |
| 21:49:45 | Watusimoto | sorry, I'm very groggy at the moment |
| 21:49:48 | raptor | so do an empty bitfighter.ini |
| 21:50:54 | Watusimoto | ok; I won't need to run though; just create the .ini and we're done |
| 21:51:32 | raptor | yes |
| 21:54:10 | Watusimoto | desura sure is slow to install on this machine |
| 21:54:50 | raptor | it was lickety split on my linux machine.. |
| 21:55:43 | Watusimoto | do you remember where the mcf option was? |
| 21:55:58 | raptor | it was on page 9 of the publish page |
| 21:56:10 | raptor | in a paragraph below (i cannot access the publish page in the client..) |
| 21:58:24 | Watusimoto | yes, but you also pointed me somewhere else |
| 21:58:51 | raptor | http://www.ads.desura.com/how-to |
| 21:58:56 | raptor | half way down or so |
| 21:59:27 | Watusimoto | yes, that was it thanks! |
| 22:01:19 | Watusimoto | except that link has no mcf info on it. maybe I need to write back to the desura guy |
| 22:02:03 | raptor | under 'Setup your release files' |
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| 22:06:56 | Watusimoto | I don't see that |
| 22:07:15 | raptor | well that's weird |
| 22:08:08 | Watusimoto | is that an option on that screen that opens insde the app? |
| 22:08:34 | raptor | no |
| 22:08:38 | raptor | just instructions... |
| 22:09:00 | raptor | the option is on page 9 of the publish part in the client... |
| 22:09:38 | raptor | it says 'Click to create a MCF file' |
| 22:10:03 | Watusimoto | ok, clicking that link opens desura |
| 22:10:23 | Watusimoto | so now I'm in desura, and there's nothing relevant |
| 22:10:32 | raptor | hmm... |
| 22:11:40 | Watusimoto | more specifically, clikcin on that link opens a dialog that says "Desura is a digital distribution app which allows you to install and play games with one click (you can also get your games directly via your downloads page). In order to continue you must have Desura installed, so please choose the appropiate buton below:" |
| 22:12:05 | Watusimoto | with "desura is installed" and "install now" buttons |
| 22:12:11 | raptor | ok, choose the first |
| 22:12:16 | raptor | ..is isntalled |
| 22:12:24 | raptor | and open the link with desura |
| 22:13:02 | raptor | it's working on linux! it only tooke 5 tries... |
| 22:13:15 | Watusimoto | clicking on installed opens this screen |
| 22:13:16 | Watusimoto | http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/5450/clipboardimagem.jpg |
| 22:13:30 | raptor | do it a few more times... |
| 22:13:41 | Nothing_Much | http://www.moddb.com/tutorials/publishing-on-desura |
| 22:13:43 | Nothing_Much | Try that link |
| 22:13:49 | raptor | or even just paste this into your browser: desura://makemcf/games/bitfighter |
| 22:14:27 | Nothing_Much | Did you try the Development tab on Desura? |
| 22:14:29 | raptor | let's see if this works for linux... |
| 22:14:45 | Watusimoto | now that link does something different |
| 22:14:58 | Watusimoto | that is NOT what the link from step 9 opens up |
| 22:15:09 | raptor | oh good - yeah, i guess i parsed that off and had success.. |
| 22:15:46 | raptor | i'm going to try the linux one... |
| 22:15:49 | Watusimoto | ok, process underway |
| 22:17:17 | Watusimoto | http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/1483/clipboardimage1n.jpg |
| 22:17:29 | Watusimoto | I like how they stick the bf icon on the upload window |
| 22:18:14 | raptor | neat |
| 22:18:26 | raptor | ok, ready to upload a linux one... did the have you select an exe or a folder? |
| 22:19:19 | Watusimoto | I selected a folder |
| 22:19:27 | Watusimoto | we're done for windows |
| 22:20:01 | raptor | oh man, it says i don't have permission to upload the mcf.. |
| 22:20:12 | Watusimoto | I gave you all permissions! |
| 22:20:29 | Watusimoto | if you want to upload it somewhere I can do it |
| 22:20:42 | Watusimoto | maybe |
| 22:20:49 | Watusimoto | maybe I need to be on a linux machine |
| 22:21:00 | raptor | here is a linux mcf: http://sam6.25u.com/upload/NewMcf_b0_20130124T152035.mcf |
| 22:22:07 | Watusimoto | so... not too hard? |
| 22:22:13 | raptor | i guess not.. |
| 22:22:23 | raptor | but we'll see the reaction from linux users (I CAN |
| 22:22:27 | raptor | T RUN THIS |
| 22:22:53 | Watusimoto | oh, while I'm thinking of it, dmitry wants to know about the mac notifier |
| 22:23:00 | raptor | oh |
| 22:23:02 | Watusimoto | does your python one superceded it? |
| 22:23:06 | raptor | yes |
| 22:23:11 | raptor | i fixed a bug or two |
| 22:23:18 | Watusimoto | so should I tell him we combined the mac and linux ones? |
| 22:23:21 | raptor | and added really annoying popups for earlier versions of osx |
| 22:23:24 | raptor | yes |
| 22:23:32 | raptor | you can point him to our source if you want |
| 22:23:39 | Watusimoto | ok, he'll feel good and I don;t need to give him any specific feedback |
| 22:23:47 | Watusimoto | where is the source? |
| 22:24:20 | bobdaduck | Um |
| 22:24:27 | raptor | tools repo |
| 22:24:29 | raptor | let me get url |
| 22:24:37 | bobdaduck | Can we make it so the notifier shows what players are currently online on hover? |
| 22:24:50 | Watusimoto | it does |
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| 22:24:53 | raptor | https://code.google.com/p/bitfighter/source/checkout?repo=tools |
| 22:25:17 | raptor | and direct browse: https://code.google.com/p/bitfighter/source/browse/?repo=tools#hg%2Fbitfighter-notifier |
| 22:25:54 | bobdaduck | ?> gelatinous cube |
| 22:26:06 | Nothing_Much | bobdaduck, They're gettin' their game on Desura as we speak. |
| 22:26:07 | bobdaduck | ?> Gray Ooze |
| 22:26:13 | raptor | bobdaduck: what are you talking about? |
| 22:26:18 | bobdaduck | lol |
| 22:26:28 | bobdaduck | Nmd |
| 22:26:29 | raptor | nethack belongs in #nethack |
| 22:26:34 | bobdaduck | Wrong channel |
| 22:27:46 | bobdaduck | So when is the game on desura? |
| 22:27:56 | raptor | patience iago! |
| 22:28:09 | bobdaduck | NO |
| 22:28:13 | bobdaduck | PLAYERS NOWWWW |
| 22:30:05 | Nothing_Much | If you need any help, I can get into contact with a guy who's published a game on Desura. |
| 22:30:24 | raptor | we'll get it eventually... |
| 22:30:29 | raptor | (I hope) |
| 22:34:28 | Watusimoto | ok, uploading linux version |
| 22:36:03 | raptor | yay |
| 22:37:26 | Watusimoto | ummm... the linux version may have wiped out my windows version |
| 22:38:28 | Watusimoto | could this be any more painful? |
| 22:38:37 | Watusimoto | (yes, it probably could...) |
| 22:39:27 | bobdaduck | lol |
| 22:39:41 | Nothing_Much | Could I be of assistance? |
| 22:39:57 | raptor | oh yay |
| 22:40:05 | raptor | well... |
| 22:40:07 | raptor | that stinks |
| 22:40:24 | raptor | your windows version should still be in a temp folder on your computer somewhere.. |
| 22:41:01 | raptor | and sorry |
| 22:41:04 | Watusimoto | I had to rebuild it -- no big deal, but I'll upload it again, wiping out the linux version |
| 22:41:14 | raptor | cna you check on the rights you've given me? |
| 22:42:25 | Watusimoto | http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/8008/clipboardimage2.jpg |
| 22:42:28 | Watusimoto | you got it all |
| 22:42:55 | Watusimoto | I even gave you the exalted position of "Flying Eagle" |
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| 22:44:04 | bobdaduck | rofl |
| 22:44:05 | bobdaduck | what |
| 22:44:06 | raptor | hahaha |
| 22:44:24 | Watusimoto | wait... now I have two versions there... |
| 22:45:38 | Watusimoto | of course who knows which is which |
| 22:45:48 | Watusimoto | the both have nonsense names |
| 22:47:05 | raptor | haha |
| 22:47:16 | raptor | mine has the later date embedded? |
| 22:47:28 | Watusimoto | maybe |
| 22:47:35 | Watusimoto | do we have any dependencies? |
| 22:48:03 | Watusimoto | the list is here |
| 22:48:04 | Watusimoto | http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/1107/clipboardimage3.jpg |
| 22:48:58 | Watusimoto | should we include glut, just for old times sake? |
| 22:49:35 | raptor | no no |
| 22:49:37 | raptor | sdl |
| 22:49:39 | raptor | libpng |
| 22:49:40 | raptor | libmodplug |
| 22:49:45 | raptor | libvorbis |
| 22:49:48 | raptor | hmm... |
| 22:49:58 | raptor | this is for linux.. |
| 22:50:02 | raptor | windows is included |
| 22:50:13 | raptor | libspeex |
| 22:50:20 | raptor | openal |
| 22:50:29 | raptor | opengl |
| 22:50:46 | raptor | zlib |
| 22:50:49 | raptor | i think that's it.. |
| 22:50:59 | raptor | zlib is required by libpng |
| 22:51:04 | raptor | so no need to include zlib |
| 22:51:25 | Nothing_Much | libsdl1.2debian |
| 22:51:38 | Nothing_Much | libstdc++6 |
| 22:51:47 | Nothing_Much | libvorbis0a |
| 22:51:57 | Nothing_Much | libx11-6 |
| 22:52:07 | raptor | well, that's for *your* system :) |
| 22:52:22 | raptor | mine says: libvorbis.so.0 |
| 22:52:38 | Nothing_Much | I realized how old the dependencies are, that's a great thing for people who want to game on their older PCs |
| 22:54:47 | Watusimoto | so libSDL-1.2.so.0 |
| 22:54:49 | Watusimoto | ? |
| 22:54:57 | raptor | sure that sounds about right.. |
| 22:55:10 | raptor | we're still on 1.2 on LInux.. |
| 22:55:41 | Nothing_Much | I think that's right |
| 22:55:57 | Watusimoto | modplug isn't on that list |
| 22:56:09 | raptor | 1b383463fa6da11aacceaa9a532a0977 |
| 22:56:12 | raptor | is linux |
| 22:56:17 | raptor | because that matches teh md5 |
| 22:56:35 | Watusimoto | nor is speex |
| 22:56:50 | raptor | so.. first game to use modplug! |
| 22:57:31 | Watusimoto | nor is opengl |
| 22:57:42 | Watusimoto | nor zlib |
| 22:57:52 | Watusimoto | ok scratch that |
| 22:57:56 | Nothing_Much | well, opengl is typically default on most distros, if not all |
| 22:58:11 | raptor | openal or openal-soft |
| 23:01:02 | Watusimoto | well, I wrote to desura about the dependencies |
| 23:05:06 | raptor | oh neat |
| 23:05:18 | raptor | you can click on the uploaded mcf md5 to see what's in it.. |
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| 23:07:52 | amgine1234567890 | i think im getting worse at captchas causeked 6 times before i got it. |
| 23:09:58 | bobdaduck | lol |
| 23:11:52 | raptor | question for an US citizen out there... |
| 23:12:10 | raptor | is there going to be an 'optimal' time to file taxes this year |
| 23:12:14 | raptor | ? |
| 23:12:39 | bobdaduck | Heck if I know |
| 23:12:41 | raptor | because... well... our gov't can't seem to get things together and it's already time to file... |
| 23:13:11 | Watusimoto | So I've uploaded my MCF, and I tried to test it with this link: |
| 23:13:11 | Watusimoto | desura://test/games/bitfighter/5505/1 |
| 23:13:11 | Watusimoto | I go the following message: |
| 23:13:11 | Watusimoto | Failed to launch item Bitfighter, File is not valid exe [%STEAMEXE%]. [61.0] |
| 23:13:11 | Watusimoto | I have no idea what that means. |
| 23:13:51 | Watusimoto | if you are getting $$ back, file now |
| 23:13:59 | raptor | i don't have permission to install an unauthorized mcf |
| 23:14:03 | Watusimoto | if you have to pay, file in april |
| 23:14:09 | raptor | ok |
| 23:14:16 | Watusimoto | though with interest rates what they are... it hardly matters |
| 23:14:32 | raptor | unless they mint that 1T coin |
| 23:14:48 | Watusimoto | I suspect that won;t happen |
| 23:14:57 | Watusimoto | I mean.... seriously? |
| 23:15:00 | raptor | i hope it won't |
| 23:15:14 | Watusimoto | it wouldn't matter one way or the other if they did |
| 23:15:17 | Watusimoto | but they won't |
| 23:15:29 | Watusimoto | Could you see Obama at the press conference? |
| 23:15:32 | Watusimoto | won't happen |
| 23:15:49 | raptor | i still need to figure out how save my buying power (what pittance it may be) |
| 23:16:00 | raptor | i wish i could pre-pay tuition at college... |
| 23:16:08 | Watusimoto | obama has a stronger hand without resorting to that... so he won't |
| 23:16:16 | Watusimoto | prepay medical care :-) |
| 23:16:31 | Watusimoto | you can prepay tuition at some colleges |
| 23:16:36 | raptor | can you do that for more than a year? |
| 23:17:07 | amgine1234567890 | however if obahma keeps spending it will lead to problems. |
| 23:17:13 | Watusimoto | I think so |
| 23:17:26 | Watusimoto | though, to be brutally honest, you don;t really know your kids yet |
| 23:17:35 | raptor | very tru |
| 23:17:37 | raptor | true |
| 23:17:50 | Watusimoto | and you don't really have any idea if or where they'll go to college |
| 23:17:56 | Watusimoto | you'll know if in a few years |
| 23:18:01 | raptor | i was talking about *my* college... |
| 23:18:05 | raptor | :) |
| 23:18:07 | Watusimoto | ha |
| 23:18:08 | Watusimoto | ok |
| 23:18:10 | Watusimoto | well then |
| 23:18:27 | Watusimoto | some schools let you prepay for your kids |
| 23:18:34 | raptor | because the rugrats are content with snow and dirt for now... |
| 23:18:35 | Watusimoto | like 10 yrs in advance |
| 23:18:41 | raptor | interesting |
| 23:18:44 | amgine1234567890 | yeah you think they will go to one collage a nd presue on carrer but they follow another. |
| 23:18:58 | Watusimoto | or just get high |
| 23:19:00 | Watusimoto | who knows |
| 23:19:05 | raptor | as a kite |
| 23:19:20 | Watusimoto | I was thinking pilot school |
| 23:19:30 | raptor | haha |
| 23:19:50 | raptor | actually, there is a pilot school around here - the local state university has a program |
| 23:20:22 | raptor | that's one of the many skills i want to.. as soon as there's 48 hours in a day and i only need 2 hours sleep |
| 23:20:28 | Watusimoto | so wtf |
| 23:20:39 | Watusimoto | I submitted a msg to desura |
| 23:20:40 | amgine1234567890 | raptor do you have a stand alone zip of the original bf18 relase mine is bascily not working anymore. |
| 23:20:53 | Watusimoto | and their web page opens right back onto the submit form, with no indication it ahs been submitted. |
| 23:21:01 | Watusimoto | if you click submit again, it scolds you |
| 23:21:08 | raptor | yeah - umm... i've noticed session problems with their website |
| 23:22:46 | amgine1234567890 | uddelny dead chat. XD |
| 23:23:50 | raptor | sorry amgine1234567890, let me get you one... |
| 23:27:33 | raptor | ok amgine1234567890: http://sam6.25u.com/upload/Bitfighter-018.zip |
| 23:27:39 | raptor | that's the last one i'm giving you |
| 23:27:42 | raptor | original 018 |
| 23:27:52 | raptor | if there's still problems, then i suggest you clean your computer |
| 23:28:02 | raptor | and reinstall everything from scratch |
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| 23:33:46 | Watusimoto | ok, time for bed |
| 23:33:52 | raptor | ok, night |
| 23:33:58 | Watusimoto | I think the desura stuff needs to settle over night |
| 23:34:06 | Watusimoto | I sent them several emails, waiting responses |
| 23:34:15 | Watusimoto | later |
| 23:34:47 | amgine1234567890 | maybe steam would be better then desura. |
| 23:35:13 | amgine1234567890 | guess we will just see how things go. |
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| 23:38:15 | Nothing_Much | Trust me when I say this, Steam will most likely not treat your game the way Desura would |
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| 23:39:18 | bobdaduck | Nothing much isn't much a fan of steam :P |
| 23:39:22 | Nothing_Much | The Desura community will treat it as a true free open source software game, the Steam community will criticize the game based on the way it looks and question why it would be there. |
| 23:39:28 | Nothing_Much | After using it for so long |
| 23:39:32 | Nothing_Much | It gets tiresome |
| 23:40:04 | Nothing_Much | Especially with my connection being so finicky with TF2 |
| 23:40:10 | Nothing_Much | Steam is partially to blame |
| 23:40:48 | Nothing_Much | As it hogs up more bandwidth since the in-game overlay and having to be online for your friends to message you 'n stuff like that |
| 23:42:01 | Nothing_Much | Steam really isn't Indie friendly at all, whether your game is free or not, pay up 100$, but that's a minor issue |
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| 23:45:33 | Fordcars | hi |
| 23:45:38 | raptor | hi Fordcars |
| 23:45:47 | raptor | you should try the latest notifier code and see if it works |
| 23:45:53 | Fordcars | ok |
